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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"johac" |
| Date: |
02 Jan 2007 01:57:39 AM |
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Bible study elective in schools debated |
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
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Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
Michigan Atheists are calling the course unconstitutional. The group was
active in fighting the same curriculum in Frankenmuth.
"Howell has had a long history of religious intrusion, and the schools
and government have done a good job staving it off," said Arlene-Marie,
Michigan Atheists state director. "That's why I am suspicious this is
going to grow into a big issue there. It's a community similar to
Frankenmuth, very conservative."
Talks in Howell about religion in school haven't been polite over the
last year. Issues arose over diversity and traditional values regarding
student club flags at the high school, and a choir from Germany was
forced to limit the amount of sacred music it could perform.
Thatcher said the curriculum is not taught as doctrine and is endorsed
by a number of lawmakers and judges.
The National Council of Bible Curriculum in Public Schools Web site
claims the course is taught in 373 school districts in 37 states,
including Michigan.
"In my eyes and in my heart, I looked this curriculum over, and I don't
see anything that is a controversy here," Thatcher said. "It's offered
as an elective, and it's within the boundaries of the Constitution."
Arlene-Marie suggested officials review Thatcher's proposal with a
"critical eye." She also informed them of legal challenges in Kansas,
Missouri, Texas and Illinois, where courts have ruled the National
Council of Bible Curriculum in Public Schools as unconstitutional.
Howell's curriculum committee, headed by administrator Jeanne Farina,
will review the course.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
02 Jan 2007 09:08:35 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
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Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
03 Jan 2007 12:01:21 AM |
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In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
---
Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
03 Jan 2007 04:58:28 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:01:21 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B9DCA5.22012102012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
---
Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
Comparative religious studies include merely factual information about
religions, and the beliefs of their adherents.
The judgement of "good" and "bad" is left to the individual student.
Most of them seem to come to the adult and independent conclusion that
it is a bunch of hogwash.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
03 Jan 2007 11:41:08 PM |
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In article <2v2np2tkg01nvjsnndd0e57o7mofmp385h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:01:21 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B9DCA5.22012102012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
---
Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
Comparative religious studies include merely factual information about
religions, and the beliefs of their adherents.
The judgement of "good" and "bad" is left to the individual student.
Most of them seem to come to the adult and independent conclusion that
it is a bunch of hogwash.
--
An objective look at the history of religion should include the good and
the bad. I'm sure that the kids would come to the conclusion that the
bad outweighs the good and religion is prety much useless.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
04 Jan 2007 02:44:27 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:41:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-623F13.21410803012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2v2np2tkg01nvjsnndd0e57o7mofmp385h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:01:21 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B9DCA5.22012102012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
---
Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
Comparative religious studies include merely factual information about
religions, and the beliefs of their adherents.
The judgement of "good" and "bad" is left to the individual student.
Most of them seem to come to the adult and independent conclusion that
it is a bunch of hogwash.
--
An objective look at the history of religion should include the good and
the bad. I'm sure that the kids would come to the conclusion that the
bad outweighs the good and religion is prety much useless.
Which is precisely what happens.
There are very successful historical trials of the method, which is
why the U.S. Taliban are too scared to allow it.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
05 Jan 2007 12:01:15 AM |
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In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:41:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-623F13.21410803012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2v2np2tkg01nvjsnndd0e57o7mofmp385h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:01:21 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B9DCA5.22012102012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:57:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F373E5.23573901012007@news.giganews.com>
Another attempt to brainwash kids.
---
Bible study elective in schools debated
Michigan Atheists says class is unconstitutional; curriculum committee
will review the course.
Valerie Olander / The Detroit News
HOWELL -- Religion and politics are taking center stage once again in
Howell Public Schools, where parent Tim Thatcher wants a Bible study
class offered as an elective in Howell High School.
:
The education system in the US is fucked, when it comes to religion.
Both Britain and Australia allow comparstive religious studies, and
this has served to reduce theism to an all-time low.
Australia is a nominally secular country because of it.
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
--
I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
Comparative religious studies include merely factual information about
religions, and the beliefs of their adherents.
The judgement of "good" and "bad" is left to the individual student.
Most of them seem to come to the adult and independent conclusion that
it is a bunch of hogwash.
--
An objective look at the history of religion should include the good and
the bad. I'm sure that the kids would come to the conclusion that the
bad outweighs the good and religion is pretty much useless.
Which is precisely what happens.
There are very successful historical trials of the method, which is
why the U.S. Taliban are too scared to allow it.
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
--
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
05 Jan 2007 02:09:02 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
05 Jan 2007 11:50:56 PM |
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In article <ao1sp2pbvh0b1uktqs2vj5e2o1n6c9pkme@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
True. When they screw up they can blame it on God for letting them get
away with it.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
06 Jan 2007 02:06:40 AM |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:50:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2F5797.21505605012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <ao1sp2pbvh0b1uktqs2vj5e2o1n6c9pkme@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
True. When they screw up they can blame it on God for letting them get
away with it.
I kind-of meant that the elite's grip on power is much, *much* more
fragile and tenous than they would let you believe.
They are hanging on by a thread, and only have the media industry left
between them and the scourge of true democracy.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
07 Jan 2007 12:06:18 AM |
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In article <01mup2hm44l3pg2sa8jaof50vm3n9a858i@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:50:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2F5797.21505605012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <ao1sp2pbvh0b1uktqs2vj5e2o1n6c9pkme@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
True. When they screw up they can blame it on God for letting them get
away with it.
I kind-of meant that the elite's grip on power is much, *much* more
fragile and tenous than they would let you believe.
They are hanging on by a thread, and only have the media industry left
between them and the scourge of true democracy.
This is true too. Their mendacity and corruption is becoming more and
more obvious. All they can do is 'spin' the media to disguise them and
hope that the people remain too complacent to care.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
07 Jan 2007 04:32:43 AM |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:06:18 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-D3CC6D.22061806012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <01mup2hm44l3pg2sa8jaof50vm3n9a858i@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:50:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2F5797.21505605012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <ao1sp2pbvh0b1uktqs2vj5e2o1n6c9pkme@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
True. When they screw up they can blame it on God for letting them get
away with it.
I kind-of meant that the elite's grip on power is much, *much* more
fragile and tenous than they would let you believe.
They are hanging on by a thread, and only have the media industry left
between them and the scourge of true democracy.
This is true too. Their mendacity and corruption is becoming more and
more obvious. All they can do is 'spin' the media to disguise them and
hope that the people remain too complacent to care.
And I fear that their hopes may well be realised.
They have conditioned the average punter more effectively than Orwell
could have ever dreamed in his worst nightmares.
But eventualy the trained monkeys in the media empires will be
replaced.
Murdoch is not stupid when it comes to continuation of income, and
will sense when his slaves might rise against his machines, well
before they realise it themselves.
You may have already noted a subtle change in approach, that has
caused Bush & co to actually admit to failure.
That too, is "spin".
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
07 Jan 2007 11:41:45 PM |
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In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:06:18 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-D3CC6D.22061806012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <01mup2hm44l3pg2sa8jaof50vm3n9a858i@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:50:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2F5797.21505605012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <ao1sp2pbvh0b1uktqs2vj5e2o1n6c9pkme@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:01:15 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-135DE2.22011504012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <dgfpp25frnlb0ulo5iafq25fk4og8tmrkk@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Of course. They don't want to confuse the kids with reality when they
can believe in the fairy tale.
But ***** 'em.
Atheists are about to rise up and take over the US!
Some day perhaps, but surely not in my lifetime. I was watching the
It won't be long (perhaps no more than a few weeks), before every
single priest is in prison on molestation charges.
opening of the new Congress today and each branch opened with a
chaplain
reciting a prayer ("Dear God, please don't let us get caught.") and
then
all of the swearing ins with "So help me GAWD." And the prayer of
Allegiance, and "Gawd bless America after every speech."
I could have sworn (not to gawd) that I was at a church meeting.
It just makes them look scrabblingly desperate, which is a not
coincidence really.
--
True. When they screw up they can blame it on God for letting them get
away with it.
I kind-of meant that the elite's grip on power is much, *much* more
fragile and tenous than they would let you believe.
They are hanging on by a thread, and only have the media industry left
between them and the scourge of true democracy.
This is true too. Their mendacity and corruption is becoming more and
more obvious. All they can do is 'spin' the media to disguise them and
hope that the people remain too complacent to care.
And I fear that their hopes may well be realised.
They have conditioned the average punter more effectively than Orwell
could have ever dreamed in his worst nightmares.
Sad but true. People here are far more interested in entertainment than
enlightenment. they would prefer to watch some silly game show or
'reality' TV than even the news such as it is.
But eventualy the trained monkeys in the media empires will be
replaced.
Murdoch is not stupid when it comes to continuation of income, and
will sense when his slaves might rise against his machines, well
before they realise it themselves.
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
You may have already noted a subtle change in approach, that has
caused Bush & co to actually admit to failure.
That too, is "spin".
Of course. I've learned one thing about politicians. Don't listen to
what they say, watch what they do. Now it appears that Bush wants to
escalate his mistakes by sending more troops to Iraq. His motto: "When
you're in a hole keep digging.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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08 Jan 2007 03:39:28 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
:
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09 Jan 2007 12:11:16 AM |
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In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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09 Jan 2007 03:40:48 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
09 Jan 2007 11:44:45 PM |
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In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
10 Jan 2007 03:10:15 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
10 Jan 2007 11:34:45 PM |
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In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
12 Jan 2007 02:15:16 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com...
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
What do they have to imagine with?
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
The propensity of all single and numerous assemblies
[is] to yield to the impulse of sudden and violent
passions, and to be seduced by factious leaders into
intemperate and pernicious resolutions. James Madison,
The Federalist Papers #62
The essence of government is power; and power,
lodged as it imust be in human hands, will ever be
liable to abuse. James Madison, speech at Virginia
State Convention, 12/2/1829
I wonder, IS the government in 'human' hands?
BushCo, I mean.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
13 Jan 2007 12:34:48 AM |
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In article <ToOdndGh87jYcTrYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com...
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
What do they have to imagine with?
--
Imaginary imagination?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
12 Jan 2007 07:24:23 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:15:16 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ToOdndGh87jYcTrYnZ2dnUVZ_qisnZ2d@comcast.com>
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com...
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
What do they have to imagine with?
Their imagination.
--
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
11 Jan 2007 03:34:04 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:34:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
Wow! That's deep man: Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds!
I think I have to go and have a bit of a lie down...
--
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
11 Jan 2007 11:41:56 PM |
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In article <a11cq25sslsohtvrje4veipi1o4rm8efsl@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:34:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
Wow! That's deep man: Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds!
I think I have to go and have a bit of a lie down...
--
Fundies are worse. Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds imagining
the imaginary mind of an imaginary being.
I need a drink!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
12 Jan 2007 07:23:56 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:41:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B354FF.21415611012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <a11cq25sslsohtvrje4veipi1o4rm8efsl@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:34:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
:
Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
--
Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
--
The minds they imagine they have.
Wow! That's deep man: Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds!
I think I have to go and have a bit of a lie down...
--
Fundies are worse. Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds imagining
the imaginary mind of an imaginary being.
<Boom>
Hear that?
It was my brain exploding.
I need a drink!
Make mine a double.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
13 Jan 2007 12:12:54 AM |
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In article <24dgq2d584klp4mr02mkdrhis12thugc3s@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:41:56 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B354FF.21415611012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <a11cq25sslsohtvrje4veipi1o4rm8efsl@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:34:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-02389D.21344510012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <tab9q2tf0jl3gpk0u2imtv4o3lppjp9ha9@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:44:45 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BF757C.21444509012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <9no6q29kpagv98k7hlh6lutl39j9r33laf@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:11:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-2A1348.22111608012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <2644q21k32fsofs71gigs50r74jq2utg43@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:41:45 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-BB30A9.21414507012007@news.giganews.com>
In article <0oi1q2t2cbies43gs3idhpivf1iavcssmv@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
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Murdoch is the type that if the country were overwhelmingly
progressive,
the 'spin' on his shows would reflect the liberal view.
Ahh.. two exports of South Australia:
Cooper's beer, and Rupert Murdoch.
One is poisonous, the other essential nourishment.
Can the boys and girls at home guess which is which?
Gotta be a trick question, right?
For avid Fox "News" believers it is.
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Faux News believers will wait for Bill O'Really to make up their minds
for them.
When did they acquire minds?
I must have been away that day.
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The minds they imagine they have.
Wow! That's deep man: Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds!
I think I have to go and have a bit of a lie down...
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Fundies are worse. Imaginary minds imagining imaginary minds imagining
the imaginary mind of an imaginary being.
<Boom>
Hear that?
It was my brain exploding.
Mine short circuited and lost function. I'm running for Congress.
I need a drink!
Make mine a double.
Gimme the bottle!
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
15 Jan 2007 10:26:34 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:12:54 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <24dgq2d584klp4mr02mkdrhis12thugc3s@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
<Boom>
Hear that?
It was my brain exploding.
Mine short circuited and lost function. I'm running for Congress.
It once worked so you're too intelligent to win an election.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
16 Jan 2007 01:37:53 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:26:34 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <iukoq2pjlouu12rsojtqekojcrlpm169r2@4ax.com>
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:12:54 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <24dgq2d584klp4mr02mkdrhis12thugc3s@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
<Boom>
Hear that?
It was my brain exploding.
Mine short circuited and lost function. I'm running for Congress.
It once worked so you're too intelligent to win an election.
"Win"?
"WIN"???!?!?
When was the last time one was not "Stolen"??
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
03 Jan 2007 12:53:34 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
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I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
What do you mean that schools should teach the good and bad about
each religion? There is no bad about MY religion since it is the
immutable eternal word of God. YOUR religion is, of course,
superstitions nonsense or at least heretical blasphemy. But MY
religion is the true one. PRAISE JESUS!!!!!
Strictly speaking, it is an annoying necessity to teach kids
something about religion if they are to understand the state of the
world. And there is no way to do it that will not offend some
religious pinheads.
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
03 Jan 2007 11:52:21 PM |
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In article <1167807214.752168.250790@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <8d7mp2tou3omi45c00h8a97foooma8ru5c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
This "separation of Church and State" has back-fired.
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I agree. If schools want to teach religion, they should teach all
religions including the good and bad about each as well as the arguments
against religion.
What do you mean that schools should teach the good and bad about
each religion? There is no bad about MY religion since it is the
immutable eternal word of God. YOUR religion is, of course,
superstitions nonsense or at least heretical blasphemy. But MY
religion is the true one. PRAISE JESUS!!!!!
You're joking, I hope.
Strictly speaking, it is an annoying necessity to teach kids
something about religion if they are to understand the state of the
world. And there is no way to do it that will not offend some
religious pinheads.
Yes and the proper place for that would be in a history course where
they could learn about all of the religious wars, persecutions, the
inquisition, etc. a Current events course should show how religion is
tearing the Middle East and possibly the rest of the world apart today.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Bible study elective in schools debated |
04 Jan 2007 02:52:13 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1167807214.752168.250790@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote:
Strictly speaking, it is an annoying necessity to teach kids
something about religion if they are to understand the state of the
world. And there is no way to do it that will not offend some
religious pinheads.
Yes and the proper place for that would be in a history course where
they could learn about all of the religious wars, persecutions, the
inquisition, etc. a Current events course should show how religion is
tearing the Middle East and possibly the rest of the world apart today.
Also when teaching the Bible as literature one should give them a
full exposure to what is in the book. I.e. slaughter of the
Midianites, Lot's daughters screwing their dad, the Song of Solomon in
an accurate noneuphemistic translation which is some of the raunchiest
porn any horny author ever wrote, etc.
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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