| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Chris Assaf" |
| Date: |
28 Sep 2003 12:52:04 PM |
| Object: |
Biblical archaelogical evidences |
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
Excavated stable storehouse building in Hazor
(click for larger view)
Excavated citadel found at Hazor, dating to the Iron Age. (click for
larger view)
Four room house excavated in ancient Hazor (click for larger view)
Biblical Summary
Hazor was a heathen Canaanite city.
Conquered and burned by Joshua in his victory over a league of
northern Canaanite cities at Lake Merom (Joshua 11:1-11).
City came under the ownership of the tribe of Naphtali (Joshua 19:36).
Later, Hazor was again taken by Canaanites.
Deborah delivered Israel from the oppression of the King of Hazor and
"king of Canaan" (Jabin) and his general Sisera (Judges 4-5). Hazor
was again part of the kingdom of Israel.
King Solomon fortified Hazor to control the northern portion of the
"Way of the Sea" (1 Kings 9:15).
Destroyed by Ben-Hadad I of Damascus when he invaded Israel at King
Asa's invitation (1 Kings 15:18).
Rebuilt by Israelites (possibly by Omri or Ahab).
Hazor destroyed for the last time by Assyrian king Tiglath-pileser III
in 733 BC (2 Kings 15:29). The Israelites were taken captive to
Assyria.
This city was, however, afterwards rebuilt by the Canaanites, and was
ruled by a king with the same hereditary name of Jabin. His army,
under a noted leader of the name of Sisera, swept down upon the south,
aiming at the complete subjugation of the country.
This powerful army was met by the Israelites under Barak, who went
forth by the advice of the prophetess Deborah. The result was one of
the most remarkable victories for Israel recorded in the Old Testament
(Josh. 19:36; Judg. 4:2; 1 Sam. 12:9). The city of Hazor was taken and
occupied by the Israelites.
It was fortified by Solomon to defend the entrance into the kingdom
from Syria and Assyria. When Tiglath-pileser, the Assyrian king,
invaded the land, this was one of the first cities he captured,
carrying its inhabitants captive into Assyria (2 Kings 15:29)"
(Matthew G. Easton).
ChristianAnswers.Net's archaeology Team Member, Associates for
Biblical Research, has been doing extensive research at Hazor:
Why Dig Hazor?
Hazor is an important and impressive site. In fact, Hazor is the
largest archaeological site in Israel. This 200-acre city consists of
two parts, the Upper City, or Acropolis, and the Lower City. The next
largest cities, apart from Jerusalem, are Gezer and Lachish at 18
acres. Hazor is eleven times the size of these cities!
"For the student of the Bible, Hazor has an impressive amount of
Biblical history and the archaeological remains to go along with it.
The first mention of Hazor in the Bible is in Joshua 11.
"Joshua turned back at that time and took Hazor, and struck its king
with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms.
And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the
sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he
burned Hazor with fire. … But as for the cities that stood on their
mounds, Israel burned none of them, except Hazor only, which Joshua
burned" (11:10, 11, 13; cf. 12:19).
The first Israeli excavator of Hazor, Yigel Yadin, and the present
excavator, Amnon Ben-Tor, believe the burn level of the Late Bronze II
period is evidence of Joshua's destruction.
Hazor was allotted to the tribe of Naphtali (Josh. 19:36) and is
mentioned in the account of Judges 4 and 5, the story of Deborah and
Barak (Judges 4:2, 3, 24).
Excavated ruins of Solomon's six-chambered gate at Hazor (click for
larger view)
Yadin excavated a very impressive six-chambered gate dating to the
10th century BC and built by King Solomon. Similar gates from this
period were discovered at Megiddo and Gezer. Yadin connected this
phenomenon with a passage in the Scriptures,
"And this is the reason for the labor force which King Solomon raised
to build: to build the house of the LORD, his own house, the Millo,
the wall of Jerusalem, Hazor, Megiddo, and Gezer" (1 Kings 9:15).
In the mid-8th century BC an extraordinary earthquake hit the Middle
East. Amos (1:2) as well as Isaiah (2:19, 21) predicted this
earthquake. Yadin discovered evidence for this earthquake in the
1950's in Area A. ...Walls were uncovered that tilted to the south or
east and collapsed floors were found. ...The prophets warned the
people to humble themselves because they were proud and haughty. If
they did not, the prophets said, God would humble them with an
earthquake (Isa. 2). ...Based on the archaeological evidence, it was
determined that the magnitude of this quake measured at 8.2 on the
Richter scale! That was a big quake.
Standing stones found at Hazor.
(click for larger view)
Israel, the Northern Kingdom, did not heed the words of the prophets.
Amos predicted that a greater judgment would fall on Israel if they
did not return to the Lord. That judgment was an invasion by the
Assyrians. In 732 BC, the Assyrian king, Tiglath-Pileser III invaded
Israel.
"In the days of Pekah king of Israel, Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria
came and took Ijon, Abel Beth Maachah, Janoah, Kedesh, Hazor, Gilead,
and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali; and he carried them captive to
Assyria" (2 Kings 15:29; cf. Isa, 9:1).
Ancient metal weapons discovered in Hazor excavations. (click for
larger view)
At one point during the excavation I was clearing a street level, the
area supervisor called it a junkyard. Among other things, I found five
arrowheads, one spear point and a sickle, all possibly associated with
the Assyrian attack on the city in 732 BC. As I was digging, I was
wondering to myself, why would God allow the Assyrians to attack
Israel?
I recalled the words of the prophet Isaiah,
"Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger and the staff in whose hand is my
indignation. I will send him against and ungodly nation, and against
the people of My wrath" (10:5, 6a).
Basalt statue of a lion found in ancient Hazor (1). (click for larger
view)
Sculpture in basalt of a seated king or pagan deity. Discovered at
Hazor (1).
God used the Assyrians to chasten Israel in order to bring them back
to Himself. They did not respond positively to the message of the
prophets so they were taken into captivity (Lev. 26:32-39; Deut.
28:58-67).
Interestingly enough, Yadin discovered partially eaten pigs underneath
the Assyrian destruction level. This indicates that the Israelites
were eating pork just prior to the destruction of the city, something
the prophet Isaiah condemned because the Mosaic Law forbade it (Isa.
65:1-4; 66:17, cf. Lev. 11:7)."
Author of above text: Gordon Franz, Associates for Biblical Research
"A city in the south of Judah (Josh. 15:23). The name here should
probably be connected with the word following, Ithnan, Hazor-Ithnan
instead of "Hazor and Ithnan.'"
"A district in Arabia (Jer. 49:28-33), supposed by some to be Jetor,
i.e., Ituraea."
"'Kerioth and Hezron'" (Josh. 15:25) should be "Kerioth-hezron" (as in
the R.V.), the two names being joined together as the name of one
place (e.g., like Kirjath-jearim), "the same is Hazor" (R.V.). This
place has been identified with el-Kuryetein, and has been supposed to
be the home of Judas Iscariot. (See Kerioth.)"
Author: Matthew G. Easton
.
|
|
| User: "Melchizedek" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
28 Sep 2003 02:02:58 PM |
|
|
"Chris Assaf" <cassaf2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dbd0d335.0309280952.2d10ad3@posting.google.com...
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
Excavated stable storehouse building in Hazor
(click for larger view)
Excavated citadel found at Hazor, dating to the Iron Age. (click for
larger view)
Four room house excavated in ancient Hazor (click for larger view)
Biblical Summary
Hazor was a heathen Canaanite city.
Conquered and burned by Joshua in his victory over a league of
northern Canaanite cities at Lake Merom (Joshua 11:1-11).
City came under the ownership of the tribe of Naphtali (Joshua 19:36).
Later, Hazor was again taken by Canaanites.
Deborah delivered Israel from the oppression of the King of Hazor and
"king of Canaan" (Jabin) and his general Sisera (Judges 4-5). Hazor
was again part of the kingdom of Israel.
King Solomon fortified Hazor to control the northern portion of the
"Way of the Sea" (1 Kings 9:15).
Destroyed by Ben-Hadad I of Damascus when he invaded Israel at King
Asa's invitation (1 Kings 15:18).
Rebuilt by Israelites (possibly by Omri or Ahab).
Hazor destroyed for the last time by Assyrian king Tiglath-pileser III
in 733 BC (2 Kings 15:29). The Israelites were taken captive to
Assyria.
This city was, however, afterwards rebuilt by the Canaanites, and was
ruled by a king with the same hereditary name of Jabin. His army,
under a noted leader of the name of Sisera, swept down upon the south,
aiming at the complete subjugation of the country.
This powerful army was met by the Israelites under Barak, who went
forth by the advice of the prophetess Deborah. The result was one of
the most remarkable victories for Israel recorded in the Old Testament
(Josh. 19:36; Judg. 4:2; 1 Sam. 12:9). The city of Hazor was taken and
occupied by the Israelites.
It was fortified by Solomon to defend the entrance into the kingdom
from Syria and Assyria. When Tiglath-pileser, the Assyrian king,
invaded the land, this was one of the first cities he captured,
carrying its inhabitants captive into Assyria (2 Kings 15:29)"
(Matthew G. Easton).
ChristianAnswers.Net's archaeology Team Member, Associates for
Biblical Research, has been doing extensive research at Hazor:
Why Dig Hazor?
Hazor is an important and impressive site. In fact, Hazor is the
largest archaeological site in Israel. This 200-acre city consists of
two parts, the Upper City, or Acropolis, and the Lower City. The next
largest cities, apart from Jerusalem, are Gezer and Lachish at 18
acres. Hazor is eleven times the size of these cities!
"For the student of the Bible, Hazor has an impressive amount of
Biblical history and the archaeological remains to go along with it.
The first mention of Hazor in the Bible is in Joshua 11.
"Joshua turned back at that time and took Hazor, and struck its king
with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms.
And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the
sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he
burned Hazor with fire. . But as for the cities that stood on their
mounds, Israel burned none of them, except Hazor only, which Joshua
burned" (11:10, 11, 13; cf. 12:19).
The first Israeli excavator of Hazor, Yigel Yadin, and the present
excavator, Amnon Ben-Tor, believe the burn level of the Late Bronze II
period is evidence of Joshua's destruction.
Hazor was allotted to the tribe of Naphtali (Josh. 19:36) and is
mentioned in the account of Judges 4 and 5, the story of Deborah and
Barak (Judges 4:2, 3, 24).
Excavated ruins of Solomon's six-chambered gate at Hazor (click for
larger view)
Yadin excavated a very impressive six-chambered gate dating to the
10th century BC and built by King Solomon. Similar gates from this
period were discovered at Megiddo and Gezer. Yadin connected this
phenomenon with a passage in the Scriptures,
"And this is the reason for the labor force which King Solomon raised
to build: to build the house of the LORD, his own house, the Millo,
the wall of Jerusalem, Hazor, Megiddo, and Gezer" (1 Kings 9:15).
In the mid-8th century BC an extraordinary earthquake hit the Middle
East. Amos (1:2) as well as Isaiah (2:19, 21) predicted this
earthquake. Yadin discovered evidence for this earthquake in the
1950's in Area A. ...Walls were uncovered that tilted to the south or
east and collapsed floors were found. ...The prophets warned the
people to humble themselves because they were proud and haughty. If
they did not, the prophets said, God would humble them with an
earthquake (Isa. 2). ...Based on the archaeological evidence, it was
determined that the magnitude of this quake measured at 8.2 on the
Richter scale! That was a big quake.
Standing stones found at Hazor.
(click for larger view)
Israel, the Northern Kingdom, did not heed the words of the prophets.
Amos predicted that a greater judgment would fall on Israel if they
did not return to the Lord. That judgment was an invasion by the
Assyrians. In 732 BC, the Assyrian king, Tiglath-Pileser III invaded
Israel.
"In the days of Pekah king of Israel, Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria
came and took Ijon, Abel Beth Maachah, Janoah, Kedesh, Hazor, Gilead,
and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali; and he carried them captive to
Assyria" (2 Kings 15:29; cf. Isa, 9:1).
Ancient metal weapons discovered in Hazor excavations. (click for
larger view)
At one point during the excavation I was clearing a street level, the
area supervisor called it a junkyard. Among other things, I found five
arrowheads, one spear point and a sickle, all possibly associated with
the Assyrian attack on the city in 732 BC. As I was digging, I was
wondering to myself, why would God allow the Assyrians to attack
Israel?
I recalled the words of the prophet Isaiah,
"Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger and the staff in whose hand is my
indignation. I will send him against and ungodly nation, and against
the people of My wrath" (10:5, 6a).
Basalt statue of a lion found in ancient Hazor (1). (click for larger
view)
Sculpture in basalt of a seated king or pagan deity. Discovered at
Hazor (1).
God used the Assyrians to chasten Israel in order to bring them back
to Himself. They did not respond positively to the message of the
prophets so they were taken into captivity (Lev. 26:32-39; Deut.
28:58-67).
Interestingly enough, Yadin discovered partially eaten pigs underneath
the Assyrian destruction level. This indicates that the Israelites
were eating pork just prior to the destruction of the city, something
the prophet Isaiah condemned because the Mosaic Law forbade it (Isa.
65:1-4; 66:17, cf. Lev. 11:7)."
Author of above text: Gordon Franz, Associates for Biblical Research
"A city in the south of Judah (Josh. 15:23). The name here should
probably be connected with the word following, Ithnan, Hazor-Ithnan
instead of "Hazor and Ithnan.'"
"A district in Arabia (Jer. 49:28-33), supposed by some to be Jetor,
i.e., Ituraea."
"'Kerioth and Hezron'" (Josh. 15:25) should be "Kerioth-hezron" (as in
the R.V.), the two names being joined together as the name of one
place (e.g., like Kirjath-jearim), "the same is Hazor" (R.V.). This
place has been identified with el-Kuryetein, and has been supposed to
be the home of Judas Iscariot. (See Kerioth.)"
Author: Matthew G. Easton
Supporting links:
ftp://info-01@65.127.169.45/info.html
ftp://info-02@65.127.169.45/info.html
ftp://info-03@65.127.169.45/info.html
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Budikka" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
29 Sep 2003 10:34:49 PM |
|
|
(Chris Assaf) wrote in message news:<dbd0d335.0309280952.2d10ad3@posting.google.com>
[snipped archaeological blather]
What this proves is that some of those anonymous people who
contributed to the Bible were actually aware of what was going on
around them.
This proves that some of those anonymous people who contributed to the
Bible were actually aware of what was going on around them.
It does *not* prove that there is a god, or that those anonymous
people who contributed to the Bible were in touch with any god, or
inspired by any god, or guided by any god, any more than it proves
that Jim Jones or David Koresh were guided by any god when they did
what they did.
If a Bible were created today, written by your best friend, which
mentioned that the World Trade Center towers fell in 2001, and that
this was punishment from God for our evils, and archaeologists could
demosntrate from remains that indeed, two great towers did fall in
2001, would you buy into your best friend's plan?
If not, then why would you buy into the plans of primitive people you
don't even know, just because they knew that some towers fell down two
or three thousand years ago?
Budikka
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Thomas P." |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
28 Sep 2003 11:28:10 PM |
|
|
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
|
|
|
| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
29 Sep 2003 10:02:56 AM |
|
|
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
Best, Marc
.
|
|
|
| User: "Seamus Ma Cleriec" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
21 Oct 2003 12:55:31 PM |
|
|
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote in message news:<3F784683.9A9A5DDE@athena.louisville.edu>...
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
Best, Marc
And the existence of Tokyo proves the existence of Godzilla.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Thomas P." |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
29 Sep 2003 04:24:04 PM |
|
|
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite
<mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
That has always been my belief. Surely no one doubts it, just as no
one doubts that an honest and sincere Christian such as Chris Assaf
will respond and agree with us.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 10:22:43 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:24:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<rb7hnv0md0nrqlfoeu6a3bo6pkigtucsa1@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite
<mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
That has always been my belief. Surely no one doubts it, just as no
one doubts that an honest and sincere Christian such as Chris Assaf
will respond and agree with us.
/me surfs in on the tsunami wave of sarcasm.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
| User: "Thomas P." |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 12:55:48 PM |
|
|
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:22:43 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:24:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<rb7hnv0md0nrqlfoeu6a3bo6pkigtucsa1@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite
<mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
That has always been my belief. Surely no one doubts it, just as no
one doubts that an honest and sincere Christian such as Chris Assaf
will respond and agree with us.
/me surfs in on the tsunami wave of sarcasm.
Now, now, I am sure his response just got lost somehow. My confidence
in his honesty is just as high as it was before.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
|
|
|
| User: "Al Klein" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 10:45:25 PM |
|
|
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:55:48 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> posted in alt.atheism:
Now, now, I am sure his response just got lost somehow. My confidence
in his honesty is just as high as it was before.
Or, at least, no lower than it was before. :)
--
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
23 Oct 2003 07:23:27 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:45:25 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:55:48 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> posted in alt.atheism:
Now, now, I am sure his response just got lost somehow. My confidence
in his honesty is just as high as it was before.
Or, at least, no lower than it was before. :)
It IS a bit hard to get any lower than rock-bottom so yes, I'd say it
probably hasn't gotten any lower :)
---
Mike atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
-------------------------------
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way
when you do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their
shoes.
-------------------------------
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
21 Oct 2003 10:19:03 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:55:48 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<oa88pv8ph50dl7h0d9ganlrdtiep7511g2@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:22:43 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:24:04 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<rb7hnv0md0nrqlfoeu6a3bo6pkigtucsa1@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite
<mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
That has always been my belief. Surely no one doubts it, just as no
one doubts that an honest and sincere Christian such as Chris Assaf
will respond and agree with us.
/me surfs in on the tsunami wave of sarcasm.
Now, now, I am sure his response just got lost somehow. My confidence
in his honesty is just as high as it was before.
/me drowns......
"We should always be disposed to believe that that which
appears to us to be white is really black, if the
hierarchy of the church so decides."
- St. Ignatius Loyola
- Exercita spiritualia / 1541
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 10:22:12 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite
<mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu>, Message ID:
<3F784683.9A9A5DDE@athena.louisville.edu> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
And the 'ultimate question' as to whether Fay Wray was 'commando' on the
top of the Empire State Building will never be resolved.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
29 Sep 2003 06:20:54 PM |
|
|
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
I just have one question. See, in ID4 the aliens blew up this tower which
is right next to the LA central library. So I've been to the tower that
was blown up.
Since it's there, does it mean it isn't?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
|
|
|
| User: "Thomas P." |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
30 Sep 2003 03:53:38 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
I just have one question. See, in ID4 the aliens blew up this tower which
is right next to the LA central library. So I've been to the tower that
was blown up.
Since it's there, does it mean it isn't?
You're just looking for an excuse to be immoral, and the answer to
your question is the 23'rd of Sept. 1953.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
30 Sep 2003 09:16:33 AM |
|
|
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:53:38 +0200, Thomas P. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
I just have one question. See, in ID4 the aliens blew up this tower which
is right next to the LA central library. So I've been to the tower that
was blown up.
Since it's there, does it mean it isn't?
You're just looking for an excuse to be immoral, and the answer to
your question is the 23'rd of Sept. 1953.
Looking for an excuse to be immoral? Me? Sorry, no. "Because it's there"
has always been sufficient thankyewverymuch.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
|
|
|
| User: "Thomas P." |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
30 Sep 2003 03:05:26 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:16:33 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:53:38 +0200, Thomas P. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
I just have one question. See, in ID4 the aliens blew up this tower which
is right next to the LA central library. So I've been to the tower that
was blown up.
Since it's there, does it mean it isn't?
You're just looking for an excuse to be immoral, and the answer to
your question is the 23'rd of Sept. 1953.
Looking for an excuse to be immoral? Me? Sorry, no. "Because it's there"
has always been sufficient thankyewverymuch.
Likely story! You probably don't even believe that Raymond Massey
freed the slaves.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
30 Sep 2003 07:49:00 PM |
|
|
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:05:26 +0200, Thomas P. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:16:33 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:53:38 +0200, Thomas P. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:02:56 -0400, Marc Satterwhite wrote:
"Thomas P." wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
The most well-known city of Hazor is near Lake Merom, where it was
strategically located on ancient trade routes from the north, east and
west. It was controlled by both the Canaanites and Israelites, and was
a major military objective of various ancient kings from as far away
as Egypt. It is now the largest archaeological site in Israel.
"A stronghold of the Canaanites in the mountains north of Lake Merom
(Josh. 11:1-5). Jabin the king with his allied tribes here encountered
Joshua in a great battle. Joshua gained a signal victory, which
virtually completed his conquest of Canaan (11:10-13).
snip of amazing evidence
I have also pointed out the amazing evidence for the existence of
Atlanta Georgia in the 1860's, yet the fools still insist that "Gone
With the Wind" is fiction.
And I have seen the Empire State Building, even been to the
observation deck. Therefore, King Kong must be a
documentary.
I just have one question. See, in ID4 the aliens blew up this tower which
is right next to the LA central library. So I've been to the tower that
was blown up.
Since it's there, does it mean it isn't?
You're just looking for an excuse to be immoral, and the answer to
your question is the 23'rd of Sept. 1953.
Looking for an excuse to be immoral? Me? Sorry, no. "Because it's there"
has always been sufficient thankyewverymuch.
Likely story! You probably don't even believe that Raymond Massey
freed the slaves.
I thought that was Mr. Garrison?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
28 Sep 2003 02:03:26 PM |
|
|
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
What's the moron babbling about this time? It gets one thing right
therefore it gets everything right?
Nobody is saying it gets nothing right - just that it gets a heck of a
lot of things wrong.
To be assumed trustworthy, it would have to get everything right, Not
just a few things.
You woyuld have to provide corroborating support for everythng in it,
including the bits that have been proven wrong - which you ain't going
to do because it's impossible.
Like Jericho. Like a flood which never happened. Like a mountain so
high all the kongdoms of a sherical world could be seen from the top
(a clear indication that the guy writing that thought it was flat),
etc.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
28 Sep 2003 04:46:30 PM |
|
|
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf)
wrote:
What's the moron babbling about this time? It gets one thing right
therefore it gets everything right?
Apparently, some evidence that a city in the bible really existed.
Of course he misses the counter argument that Troy also really existed,
but we don't for a minute accept the Greek gods as real, factual, living
beings.
Funny how that works out.
Nobody is saying it gets nothing right - just that it gets a heck of a
lot of things wrong.
Ahhh, but flimsy faith needs all the support it can get. Houses of
cards are built like that you know.
To be assumed trustworthy, it would have to get everything right, Not
just a few things.
Not even everything, but at least 90% would be nice. Not the .01% we
get now.
You woyuld have to provide corroborating support for everythng in it,
including the bits that have been proven wrong - which you ain't going
to do because it's impossible.
Like Jericho. Like a flood which never happened. Like a mountain so
high all the kongdoms of a sherical world could be seen from the top
(a clear indication that the guy writing that thought it was flat),
etc.
But the faithful will seize on anything that will support them in their,
"cause".
Selective reasoning is the hallmark of every long term religion. So is
selective evidence.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Home School Educator for Computer Science
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 10:19:53 AM |
|
|
On 28 Sep 2003 10:52:04 -0700, (Chris Assaf),
Message ID: <dbd0d335.0309280952.2d10ad3@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
So what? Cities and common items/situations as well as wild fantasy
(sun standing still, marching in a circle then shouting and blowing
trumpets bringing down city walls-which Jericho didn't have) are used in
works of fiction.
Most U.S. based atheists were once of one, or more, sects of
Christianity. We are fully aware of the malevolent drivel in the xtian
'holy tome.'
You can lead a theist to education but you can't make him/her think.
(shakes head sadly)
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
| User: "JTEM" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 02:42:43 PM |
|
|
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
(Chris Assaf),
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
So what?
So ancient written Hebrew didn't have vowels. For the most
part, we simply guess at the vowels.
You'd translate "Hazor" as "Hzr," and then fill in the spaces
with whatever vowels you feel appropriate.
Well, not really. Conventions have sprung up, standards, so
that everybody is using the same vowels.
There really is no sure way of knowing how an ancient word
should be pronounced -- what vowels to fill in -- as native
speakers of ancient Hebrew no longer exists.
The exact same issue exists for other Semitic languages, and
even ancient Egyptian which is closely related to Semitic. For
ancient Egyptian at least, you have the added benefit of
determinatives. They're an extra sign often added at the end of a
word that suggests meaning and/or context.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Al Klein" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
20 Oct 2003 10:46:54 PM |
|
|
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:42:43 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
There really is no sure way of knowing how an ancient word
should be pronounced -- what vowels to fill in -- as native
speakers of ancient Hebrew no longer exists.
But native speakers of ancient Aramaic do, so we can fill in the
blanks.
The exact same issue exists for other Semitic languages, and
even ancient Egyptian which is closely related to Semitic. For
ancient Egyptian at least, you have the added benefit of
determinatives. They're an extra sign often added at the end of a
word that suggests meaning and/or context.
But not pronunciation.
--
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
.
|
|
|
| User: "JTEM" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
21 Oct 2003 12:10:32 AM |
|
|
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
There really is no sure way of knowing how an ancient word
should be pronounced -- what vowels to fill in -- as native
speakers of ancient Hebrew no longer exists.
But native speakers of ancient Aramaic do, so we can fill in
the blanks.
No, not really. They're not native speakers of an ancient language,
or they'd be ancient themselves.
And English isn't the only language that evolves over time. I can't
say that I know a lot about any language -- and I certainly do not
know a lot about ancient Aramaic, but at least one related
language (ancient Egyptian) is known to have changed through the
centuries.
The no ancient "coptic" was very different from what was spoken
in the New Kingdom, which in turn was different from what the
pyramid builders spoke.
The exact same issue exists for other Semitic languages, and
even ancient Egyptian which is closely related to Semitic. For
ancient Egyptian at least, you have the added benefit of
determinatives. They're an extra sign often added at the end of a
word that suggests meaning and/or context.
But not pronunciation.
The determinatives at least suggest a *Different* pronunciation,
which is what we don't get with ancient Hebrew. We know it's
a different word.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
21 Oct 2003 10:20:23 AM |
|
|
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:42:43 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <tbCdnawYIO2UpwmiRVn-sA@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
(Chris Assaf),
Hazor was the name of four biblical places...
So what?
So ancient written Hebrew didn't have vowels. For the most
part, we simply guess at the vowels.
You'd translate "Hazor" as "Hzr," and then fill in the spaces
with whatever vowels you feel appropriate.
Well, not really. Conventions have sprung up, standards, so
that everybody is using the same vowels.
There really is no sure way of knowing how an ancient word
should be pronounced -- what vowels to fill in -- as native
speakers of ancient Hebrew no longer exists.
The exact same issue exists for other Semitic languages, and
even ancient Egyptian which is closely related to Semitic. For
ancient Egyptian at least, you have the added benefit of
determinatives. They're an extra sign often added at the end of a
word that suggests meaning and/or context.
You missed or ignored the point.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
| User: "JTEM" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
21 Oct 2003 02:54:14 PM |
|
|
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
You missed or ignored the point.
No I didn't. The point is that he had no point. He claimed
there were [blah-blah] cities sharing the same name when
in fact we have no idea if the names were the least bit
similar.
In other words, we never even progress to your "So what?"
It's not that his "fact" was irrelevant, it's that it isn't a fact.
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Biblical archaelogical evidences |
22 Oct 2003 11:24:40 AM |
|
|
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:54:14 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com>, Message
ID: <S5GdnUBLdbmiEwiiRVn-sQ@comcast.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
You missed or ignored the point.
No I didn't. The point is that he had no point. He claimed
there were [blah-blah] cities sharing the same name when
in fact we have no idea if the names were the least bit
similar.
In other words, we never even progress to your "So what?"
It's not that his "fact" was irrelevant, it's that it isn't a fact.
Thank you for the clarification.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
