| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Bill M" |
| Date: |
29 Jun 2006 12:30:05 PM |
| Object: |
BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational story
teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not even
invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date back 1,400
years and more before the invention of the printing press. The present book
of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by self interested
church leaders. They kept what they liked and discarded, and sometimes
destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even most of the
ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies they
translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals exist.
NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over a
period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty history,
myths, fables, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered to
enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings come
from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths and
quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
fables, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
opposite; that man created Gods (and the Bibles).
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
29 Jun 2006 01:24:12 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R2Uog.3183$Oc5.2570@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the
stories in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly
myths, fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational
story teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not
even invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date
back 1,400 years and more before the invention of the printing press. The
present book of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by
self interested church leaders. They kept what they liked and discarded,
and sometimes destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even
most of the ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies
they translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals
exist. NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over
a period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty
history, myths, fables, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered
to enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings
come from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths
and quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
fables, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
opposite; that man created Gods (and the Bibles).
Not in *my* world! The bible is the revealed, inspired word of 'God', as
directed from 'God' from heaven. Proof? I'm filled with the 'Holy Spirit'
and 'it' and my undying 'faith' in Lord Jesus tells me so. So shush now! I
have *my* proof, and don't need a tad more. You better open up your heart to
Jesus, you unbeliever, you. Or else you're going suffer unspeakable pain,
suffering and misery forever and ever! You don't *dare* challenge the
authority of God Almighty and his divinely 'inspired' scribes! Who are
*you*, you infidel, to read the mind of God?
Well, *that* should convince the atheists, shouldn't it, Jesus?
Greywolf
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| User: "Azure" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
09 Jul 2006 01:29:27 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R2Uog.3183$Oc5.2570@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the
stories in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly
myths, fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational
story teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not
even invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date
back 1,400 years and more before the invention of the printing press. The
present book of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by
self interested church leaders. They kept what they liked and discarded,
and sometimes destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even
most of the ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies
they translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals
exist. NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over
a period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty
history, myths, fables, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered
to enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings
come from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths
and quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
fables, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
opposite; that man created Gods (and the Bibles).
Not in *my* world! The bible is the revealed, inspired word of 'God', as
directed from 'God' from heaven. Proof? I'm filled with the 'Holy Spirit'
and 'it' and my undying 'faith' in Lord Jesus tells me so. So shush now! I
have *my* proof, and don't need a tad more. You better open up your heart to
Jesus, you unbeliever, you. Or else you're going suffer unspeakable pain,
suffering and misery forever and ever! You don't *dare* challenge the
authority of God Almighty and his divinely 'inspired' scribes! Who are
*you*, you infidel, to read the mind of God?
Well, *that* should convince the atheists, shouldn't it, Jesus?
Greywolf
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
09 Jul 2006 03:15:45 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
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No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
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| User: "Azure" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
11 Jul 2006 01:22:04 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
:
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
I Wish that would help, but truth can't be eliminated that way.
--
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
11 Jul 2006 03:54:46 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:22:04 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B3438C.D5F65FCD@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
:
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
I Wish that would help, but truth can't be eliminated that way.
No, but your insanity can be.
That you confuse these self-contradictory incoherent superstitious
illiterate goat-herder rantings with any sort of "truth" is proof
enough of your complete lack of sanity.
To post them to alt.atheism is proof that not only are you utterly and
completely crazy, but lack the most basic social skills as well.
Get help before you hurt someone.
Please.
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| User: "Azure" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
14 Jul 2006 01:18:36 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:22:04 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B3438C.D5F65FCD@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
:
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
I Wish that would help, but truth can't be eliminated that way.
No, but your insanity can be.
Yours can, but like I said, it does not effect the "TRUTH".
That you confuse these self-contradictory incoherent superstitious
illiterate goat-herder rantings with any sort of "truth" is proof
enough of your complete lack of sanity.
No, your belief that that is what I am looking at shows your ignorance, intolerance and
Bigotry.
To bad no one ever told you a story as a child.
Like Davey Crocket, or Wild Bill, or Buffalo Bill.
Real People, legends are there but they are mixed with actual events.
If people took time to check they would find the fairy tales verify the Bible, and even
show where to find the evidence to prove the words.
To post them to alt.atheism is proof that not only are you utterly and
completely crazy, but lack the most basic social skills as well.
Sorry but I did not post to your group, you are putzs who do not believe in God.
You found a Cross Post, but I did not write it.
I only responded to a thread, to which you also replied to.
You are on alt. religion.christian, how dare an atheist invade the group.
Get help before you hurt someone.
Try some Thorzine to help you, should help a little.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
14 Jul 2006 05:56:25 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:18:36 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B7373C.EDA2447@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:22:04 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B3438C.D5F65FCD@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
:
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
I Wish that would help, but truth can't be eliminated that way.
No, but your insanity can be.
Yours can, but like I said, it does not effect the "TRUTH".
That you confuse these self-contradictory incoherent superstitious
illiterate goat-herder rantings with any sort of "truth" is proof
enough of your complete lack of sanity.
No, your belief that that is what I am looking at shows your ignorance, intolerance and
Bigotry.
To bad no one ever told you a story as a child.
Liar.
Typical Christian.
Like Davey Crocket, or Wild Bill, or Buffalo Bill.
Real People, legends are there but they are mixed with actual events.
If people took time to check they would find the fairy tales verify the Bible, and even
show where to find the evidence to prove the words.
I have read the bible from end-to-end, countless times, in Hebrew,
Greek, English and what exists of it in Aramaic.
I doubt if you have even come close to such breadth of knowledge.
Please lie to me and tell that you can read Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
The closer one looks at the content, the more self-contradictory it
all becomes, and what looks like evidence in support of some minor
claim, actually aids its theolgical and logical downfall.
You provide no support whatsoever for your claims, bar further claims.
To post them to alt.atheism is proof that not only are you utterly and
completely crazy, but lack the most basic social skills as well.
Sorry but I did not post to your group, you are putzs who do not believe in God.
Putzes? For not being sucked in to an incoherent delusional irrational
vicious misogynistic immoral infantile story?
Oh, please!
You found a Cross Post, but I did not write it.
I only responded to a thread, to which you also replied to.
You are on alt. religion.christian, how dare an atheist invade the group.
Yes, you wouldn't want any rational enquiry creeping in to your iron
age indocrination, would you?
Get help before you hurt someone.
Try some Thorzine to help you, should help a little.
There is no such thing.
Try a little reality, it should help a LOT.
--
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| User: "Azure" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
15 Jul 2006 10:19:23 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:18:36 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B7373C.EDA2447@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:22:04 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B3438C.D5F65FCD@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:29:27 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B0A247.B25C811B@pharae.org>
:
No, and then there is far worse, there are the likes of ME.
God talks to me, that's how I know Gods Will to my life.
Not because some book here or there, but personal knowledge.
Laugh, it ain't funny, worse yet, God made me Satan.
Said the whole thing is a Lie, that I am the Most Beloved Angel, yet even as the
Left Hand of God, man will murder me anyway, the Tribes will still take the
Sacred Bull, no matter what the witch said.
Have you ever been treated for schizophrenia?
I Wish that would help, but truth can't be eliminated that way.
No, but your insanity can be.
Yours can, but like I said, it does not effect the "TRUTH".
That you confuse these self-contradictory incoherent superstitious
illiterate goat-herder rantings with any sort of "truth" is proof
enough of your complete lack of sanity.
No, your belief that that is what I am looking at shows your ignorance, intolerance and
Bigotry.
To bad no one ever told you a story as a child.
Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like Davey Crocket, or Wild Bill, or Buffalo Bill.
Real People, legends are there but they are mixed with actual events.
If people took time to check they would find the fairy tales verify the Bible, and even
show where to find the evidence to prove the words.
I have read the bible from end-to-end, countless times, in Hebrew,
Greek, English and what exists of it in Aramaic.
I doubt if you have even come close to such breadth of knowledge.
Please lie to me and tell that you can read Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
The closer one looks at the content, the more self-contradictory it
all becomes, and what looks like evidence in support of some minor
claim, actually aids its theolgical and logical downfall.
You provide no support whatsoever for your claims, bar further claims.
To post them to alt.atheism is proof that not only are you utterly and
completely crazy, but lack the most basic social skills as well.
Sorry but I did not post to your group, you are putzs who do not believe in God.
Putzes? For not being sucked in to an incoherent delusional irrational
vicious misogynistic immoral infantile story?
Oh, please!
You found a Cross Post, but I did not write it.
I only responded to a thread, to which you also replied to.
You are on alt. religion.christian, how dare an atheist invade the group.
Yes, you wouldn't want any rational enquiry creeping in to your iron
age indocrination, would you?
Get help before you hurt someone.
Try some Thorzine to help you, should help a little.
There is no such thing.
Try a little reality, it should help a LOT.
--
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
16 Jul 2006 06:49:21 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:19:23 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B9B03B.3F263AF8@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
:
Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
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| User: "Azure" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
19 Jul 2006 01:10:34 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:19:23 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B9B03B.3F263AF8@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
:
Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
Why because you are a Bigot?
Acknotin and Neffertti did not exist?
There never was a Tautha De Dannan, you can prove that right?
BIGOT?
Cause HISTORY BOOKS say you are WRONG, not me.
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19 Jul 2006 03:16:38 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:10:34 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44BDCCDA.2B094032@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:19:23 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:
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Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
Why because you are a Bigot?
Acknotin and Neffertti did not exist?
There never was a Tautha De Dannan, you can prove that right?
BIGOT?
Cause HISTORY BOOKS say you are WRONG, not me.
I repeat:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
And one who cannot spell, as well.
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22 Jul 2006 12:28:44 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:10:34 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44BDCCDA.2B094032@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:19:23 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B9B03B.3F263AF8@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
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Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
Why because you are a Bigot?
Acknotin and Neffertti did not exist?
There never was a Tautha De Dannan, you can prove that right?
BIGOT?
Cause HISTORY BOOKS say you are WRONG, not me.
I repeat:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
And one who cannot spell, as well.
You are a Bigot, and you are right I do not have superior foreign language skills.
Ackhenatone! closer?
Would be different if "I did not tell the truth".
Numbers 13:16 it is my name in the Book.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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22 Jul 2006 10:18:37 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:28:44 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44C1B78C.576249C0@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:10:34 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44BDCCDA.2B094032@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:19:23 -0800, Azure <tain@pharae.org> wrote:
- Refer: <44B9B03B.3F263AF8@pharae.org>
Michael Gray wrote:
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Liar.
Typical Christian.
You act in typical Christian fashion, I am Elve, I follow the ways of the ELPH or Alph, the
One, the Eek, the scream your soul makes when it meets the great terrible unknown.
That ain't Jesus.
Worse, I am the Red Goat of Daniel 8: it is in fact my name in the books.
Jesus is the White Lamb who has Matured into a Ram, the Red Goat replaces him for taking
people from God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
Why because you are a Bigot?
Acknotin and Neffertti did not exist?
There never was a Tautha De Dannan, you can prove that right?
BIGOT?
Cause HISTORY BOOKS say you are WRONG, not me.
I repeat:
You sir, are a fucking lunatic.
And one who cannot spell, as well.
You are a Bigot, and you are right I do not have superior foreign language skills.
Ackhenatone! closer?
Would be different if "I did not tell the truth".
Numbers 13:16 it is my name in the Book.
What are you dribbling on about now?
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29 Jun 2006 10:56:59 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:24:12 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <12a86mk8hpjraf3@corp.supernews.com>
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R2Uog.3183$Oc5.2570@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the
stories in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly
myths, fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God and
if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and irrational
story teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not
even invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date
back 1,400 years and more before the invention of the printing press. The
present book of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by
self interested church leaders. They kept what they liked and discarded,
and sometimes destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even
most of the ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies
they translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals
exist. NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men over
a period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty
history, myths, fables, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered
to enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings
come from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the words
of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths
and quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
fables, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he expects
from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and contradictory
documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
opposite; that man created Gods (and the Bibles).
Not in *my* world! The bible is the revealed, inspired word of 'God', as
directed from 'God' from heaven. Proof? I'm filled with the 'Holy Spirit'
and 'it' and my undying 'faith' in Lord Jesus tells me so. So shush now! I
have *my* proof, and don't need a tad more. You better open up your heart to
Jesus, you unbeliever, you. Or else you're going suffer unspeakable pain,
suffering and misery forever and ever! You don't *dare* challenge the
authority of God Almighty and his divinely 'inspired' scribes! Who are
*you*, you infidel, to read the mind of God?
Well, *that* should convince the atheists, shouldn't it, Jesus?
Greywolf
Scary!
Have you thought of a career as a huckster?
You could make a fortune!
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| User: "Bill M" |
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29 Jun 2006 01:42:49 PM |
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YOU HAVE ME TREMBLING IN MY BOOTS!
Thanks Greywolf.
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:12a86mk8hpjraf3@corp.supernews.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R2Uog.3183$Oc5.2570@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation,
for the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the
stories in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly
myths, fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
There is NO objective evidence that the Bibles are the word of ANY God
and if they are he was truly a confused, erratic, dishonest and
irrational story teller.
There are no originals in existence. They are all hand copies and
modifications of copies of copies etc. with alterations, additions and
deletions to suite the transcribers motives. The printing press was not
even invented until the 16Th. Century and the latest Bible copies date
back 1,400 years and more before the invention of the printing press. The
present book of Bibles were assembled from numerous documents chosen by
self interested church leaders. They kept what they liked and discarded,
and sometimes destroyed, what they did not like. They are not all or even
most of the ancient religious documents.
Here is a list of just the ENGLISH translations of these old and
unauthenticated Bibles. Which are the correct ones? And were the copies
they translated from accurate translations of the originals? NO originals
exist. NO ONE knows.
There are eighteen different English translations alone:
New American Standard
New International Version
Amplified Bible
New Living Translation
King James Version
Contemporary English Version
New King James Version
21 St. Century King James Version
New International Version
American Standard Version
Holman Christian Version
New Life Version
Darby Translation
Young's Literal Translation
New International Readers Version
World English Bible
New Revised Standard Version
The Jerusalem Bible
The evidence is that these Bibles, written and copied by over 150 men
over a period of over 2500 years are nothing but a combination of faulty
history, myths, fables, folklore and legends.
It is very likely that these ancient documents were doctored and altered
to enhance the power of the clerics of the time. Many of these writings
come from fraud, interpolations, myths and hearsay.
There is NO objective evidence that they are accurate history or the
words of any God.
Religion built on the stories in the Bibles is a religion built on myths
and quick sand.
There are a plentitude of different religious documents that proclaim the
validity of various Gods. Which, if any, are correct?
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy. The
objective evidence is that they are a mixture of faulty history, myth,
fables, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate essentially with the whole world via TV, the
Internet, Mobile Phone and Radio. If there is a REAL God, why does he not
announce to the whole world, from his heaven, that he is the real God and
all the others are fakes. And tell us clearly and directly what he
expects from us instead of using hundreds of vague, ancient and
contradictory documents compiled by dozens of different religions.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
opposite; that man created Gods (and the Bibles).
Not in *my* world! The bible is the revealed, inspired word of 'God', as
directed from 'God' from heaven. Proof? I'm filled with the 'Holy Spirit'
and 'it' and my undying 'faith' in Lord Jesus tells me so. So shush now! I
have *my* proof, and don't need a tad more. You better open up your heart
to Jesus, you unbeliever, you. Or else you're going suffer unspeakable
pain, suffering and misery forever and ever! You don't *dare* challenge
the authority of God Almighty and his divinely 'inspired' scribes! Who are
*you*, you infidel, to read the mind of God?
Well, *that* should convince the atheists, shouldn't it, Jesus?
Greywolf
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| User: "AMD414" |
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29 Jun 2006 03:51:49 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
The Bibles are supposedly the word of god and the basis, the foundation, for
the Christian religion.
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God. There is no objective verifiable evidence that the stories
in the Bibles are historical fact. In fact THE Bibles are mostly myths,
fables and impossible stories like Noah's Ark and other nonsense.
Thank goodness someone else notices this too... it drives me NUTS!!
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Jun 2006 07:15:52 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Much of it is historical.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does objective have to do with it? What does verifiable have to do with
it?
We're talking about the creation of the universe here. God willed it into
existence. Science says it didn't exist 14.5 billion years ago. There you go.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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30 Jun 2006 06:57:14 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:05r8a2t7667dt7ejcibf9mq2botgpenvn7@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Much of it is historical.
But MOST of it is just a semi-good fairy tale.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does objective have to do with it? What does verifiable have to do
with
it?
Bwahahaaaa...... leave it to a zealot to make a comment like that!
We're talking about the creation of the universe here. God willed it into
existence. Science says it didn't exist 14.5 billion years ago. There
you go.
Since you have ABSOLUTLEY NO evidence that YOUR god even exists - any claims
of what "gawd" did, are meaningless!!!
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| User: "Azure" |
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09 Jul 2006 01:31:08 AM |
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:05r8a2t7667dt7ejcibf9mq2botgpenvn7@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Much of it is historical.
But MOST of it is just a semi-good fairy tale.
How True, How True!
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does objective have to do with it? What does verifiable have to do
with
it?
Bwahahaaaa...... leave it to a zealot to make a comment like that!
We're talking about the creation of the universe here. God willed it into
existence. Science says it didn't exist 14.5 billion years ago. There
you go.
Since you have ABSOLUTLEY NO evidence that YOUR god even exists - any claims
of what "gawd" did, are meaningless!!!
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
29 Jun 2006 07:47:33 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:05r8a2t7667dt7ejcibf9mq2botgpenvn7@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Much of it is historical.
No, much of it is hysterical.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does objective have to do with it? What does verifiable have to do
with
it?
Many religious types claim the Bible nonsense is 'the word of god'. There is
NO evidence for this.
We're talking about the creation of the universe here. God willed it into
existence. Science says it didn't exist 14.5 billion years ago.
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific evidence that
ANY
god created this???
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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29 Jun 2006 09:59:42 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Bill M wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:05r8a2t7667dt7ejcibf9mq2botgpenvn7@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:05 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I keep seeing people quoting from the Bible as though it was proof or a
fact.
Much of it is historical.
No, much of it is hysterical.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of the Bibles are the
word of ANY God.
What does objective have to do with it? What does verifiable have to do
with it?
Many religious types claim the Bible nonsense is 'the word of god'. There is
NO evidence for this.
We're talking about the creation of the universe here. God willed it into
existence. Science says it didn't exist 14.5 billion years ago.
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific evidence that
ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and there
is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe and there
is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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30 Jun 2006 12:37:33 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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30 Jun 2006 02:31:27 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either. There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
30 Jun 2006 06:06:34 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Pine.NEB.4.62.0606300241560.23606@vinland.freeshell.org>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either. There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
So, by all indications, you are on the atheists' side?
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
30 Jun 2006 08:36:11 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Michael Gray wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Pine.NEB.4.62.0606300241560.23606@vinland.freeshell.org>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either. There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
So, by all indications, you are on the atheists' side?
There is absolutely nothing I have said in support of atheism.
My position of being against their persecution and in favor of
respecting the rights of people to believe or to have no faith
as they choose is not in support of atheism. It is in support
of the First Amendment.
Sam Heywood
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
30 Jun 2006 12:03:15 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Michael Gray wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Pine.NEB.4.62.0606300241560.23606@vinland.freeshell.org>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the
universe and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority
in America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either. There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
So, by all indications, you are on the atheists' side?
There is absolutely nothing I have said in support of atheism.
My position of being against their persecution and in favor of
respecting the rights of people to believe or to have no faith
as they choose is not in support of atheism. It is in support
of the First Amendment.
Thank you. The First Amendment is what separates atheists from the
Religious Right in the first place. Besides non-god-belief anyway.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
03 Jul 2006 02:11:14 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either.
No, everyone does not know that. All you have to do is read the posts
of some of the more rabid fundies. If you read those posts, you would
also know that explaining to them that one does not believe in god or
the Devil has no effect on them.
There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
The fact remains that a very large number of people believe that
atheists are not to be trusted and that they have no morals. An
atheist in America, for example, has no chance of being elected
president, if he is open about his atheism. The reasons for an
atheist being concerned about religious teachings is glaringly
obvious.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
03 Jul 2006 09:26:23 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:11:14 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
- Refer: <0bffa21o0vnpt998o7qv8l99gbcebvbfj6@4ax.com>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either.
No, everyone does not know that. All you have to do is read the posts
of some of the more rabid fundies. If you read those posts, you would
also know that explaining to them that one does not believe in god or
the Devil has no effect on them.
There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
The fact remains that a very large number of people believe that
atheists are not to be trusted and that they have no morals. An
atheist in America, for example, has no chance of being elected
president, if he is open about his atheism. The reasons for an
atheist being concerned about religious teachings is glaringly
obvious.
Australia had an openly atheist Prime Minister for 10 years or so...
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
04 Jul 2006 10:10:41 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:6dkja2lkhpfjjs2a8jc4a48cp1h73fruv7@4ax.com...
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:11:14 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
- Refer: <0bffa21o0vnpt998o7qv8l99gbcebvbfj6@4ax.com>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either.
No, everyone does not know that. All you have to do is read the posts
of some of the more rabid fundies. If you read those posts, you would
also know that explaining to them that one does not believe in god or
the Devil has no effect on them.
There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
The fact remains that a very large number of people believe that
atheists are not to be trusted and that they have no morals. An
atheist in America, for example, has no chance of being elected
president, if he is open about his atheism. The reasons for an
atheist being concerned about religious teachings is glaringly
obvious.
Australia had an openly atheist Prime Minister for 10 years or so...
Then they must be one hell of a lot more liberal, and rational, that most of
America.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLICAL PROOF OF GOD? |
05 Jul 2006 03:42:26 AM |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:10:41 -0400, "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@MYOB.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <12ambd9sl9s5g66@corp.supernews.com>
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:6dkja2lkhpfjjs2a8jc4a48cp1h73fruv7@4ax.com...
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:11:14 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
- Refer: <0bffa21o0vnpt998o7qv8l99gbcebvbfj6@4ax.com>
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:31:27 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Samuel W. Heywood
(sheywood@MyRealBox.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Where does science say this and where is there ANY scientific
evidence that ANY god created this???
There is no scientific evidence that God created the universe and
there is no scientific evidence that He did not create the universe
and there is no scientific evidence that He even exists.
You know that. Many believers also know that.
So why do you keep asking these questions?
Because despite the lack of evidence, believers (the gross majority in
America) think atheists work for the devil. Thanks to this
misconception, we are forced to keep our lack of religious beliefs
underground, in fear of
1. Being fired from a career
2. Having our children targeted by religious bullies in school
3. Being excluded from community political activity
4. Lynch mobs (in some of the more zealous areas)
5. General and militant non-acceptance by otherwise friendly people
You should be able to put down very easily the idea that atheists
work for the devil because almost everyone knows that you guys don't
believe in the existence of the devil either.
No, everyone does not know that. All you have to do is read the posts
of some of the more rabid fundies. If you read those posts, you would
also know that explaining to them that one does not believe in god or
the Devil has no effect on them.
There are also many
Christians who don't believe in the existence of the devil because
they feel that such a belief is in conflict with their belief in the
existence of only one God. To them the devil is only a symbolic,
allegorical, or mythological personification of evil.
The fact remains that a very large number of people believe that
atheists are not to be trusted and that they have no morals. An
atheist in America, for example, has no chance of being elected
president, if he is open about his atheism. The reasons for an
atheist being concerned about religious teachings is glaringly
obvious.
Australia had an openly atheist Prime Minister for 10 years or so...
Then they must be one hell of a lot more liberal, and rational, that most of
America.
Perhaps, but that is no real achievement.
My dog is more rational and thoughtful than Dubya.
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