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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "I dont believe in atheists"
Date: 18 Aug 2005 11:49:23 PM
Object: Biblical Statements consistent with Science
Statements Consistent With Astronomy
a.. The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the
heavens. Here are two examples.
Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your
descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the
seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Jeremiah 33:22
"As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea
measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the
Levites who minister to Me."
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there
are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates
of 1021 stars-which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on
the earth's seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more
stars, wouldn't it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
b.. The Bible also says that each star is unique.
1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another
glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a
telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their
light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1]
(*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in
color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but
we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they
differ from one another.)
c.. The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.
Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
"If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever."
d.. The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.
Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
Statements Consistent With Meteorology
a.. The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.
b.. The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.
Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300
years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the
efficient functioning of the world's hydrologic cycle, which in turn
sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please
ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this
comment.)
Statements Consistent With Biology
a.. The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value
of blood.
Leviticus 17:11
'For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that
makes atonement for the soul.'
The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body's
temperature, and removes the waste material of the body's cells. The blood
also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William
Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical
life-confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]
b.. The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms
from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living
organism.
Genesis 1:11,12
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields
seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed
is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth
grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that
yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw
that it was good.
Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves,
with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged
bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle
according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to
its kind. And God saw that it was good.
The phrase "according to its kind" occurs repeatedly, stressing the
reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this
occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their
genetic codes.[1]
c.. The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.
d.. It is a proven fact that a person's mental and spiritual health is
strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us
with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.
Proverbs 12:4
An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.
Proverbs 14:30
A sound heart is life to the body,
But envy is rottenness to the bones.
Proverbs 15:30
The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
And a good report makes the bones healthy.
Proverbs 16:24
Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart does good, like medicine,
But a broken spirit dries the bones.
Statements Consistent With Anthropology
a.. We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves.
The Bible also describes cave men.
Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks.
Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered
from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed
successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some
reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go into
a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)
Statements Consistent With Hydrology
a.. The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic
cycle.[3]
Psalm 135:7
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.
Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
"And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries."
In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle-the
worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric
circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.[1]
Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water
which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to
tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops
large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]
b.. The Bible describes the recirculation of water.
Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.
Isaiah 55:10
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
c.. The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as
condensation in clouds.
Job 26:8
He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it.
Job 37:11
Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
He scatters His bright clouds.
d.. Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written
before 1400BC-more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the
seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great
deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Job 38:16
Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
We discuss the "fountains of the great deep" further in our Creation
Versus Evolution page.
Statements Consistent With Geology
a.. The Bible describes the Earth's crust (along with a comment on
astronomy).
Jeremiah 31:37
Thus says the LORD:
"If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD."
Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of the
universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill
through the earth's crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far, ended
in failure.[1]
b.. The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people
thought that the earth was spherical.
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The word translated "circle" here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also
translated "circuit," or "compass" (depending on the context). That is, it
indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched-not something that is flat
or square.
The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at
least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere
in this book On the Heavens.
This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many
people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic
Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of
the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his
findings. (At that time, "theologians" of the Roman Catholic Church
maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert
otherwise was deemed heretical.)
We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is
flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this
conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a
power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became
casualties-an effect we still feel to this day.
Statements Consistent With Physics
a.. The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we
associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could
have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter
wrote the following verse).
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
b.. The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device that
uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible
contains passages that describe something like television-something that
allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically
refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure
whether the Bible is true or not.)
Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the
tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Revelation 11:9-11
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their
dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put
into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make
merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented
those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath
of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear
fell on those who saw them.
Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain
The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the
Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still,
the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is
really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not explain.
In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists discovered
many proofs that confirm the Bible's accuracy. Since these proofs support
the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense to
trust the Bible's text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how
many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would
like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible, click on the
link below.
How Do You Know The Bible Is True?
If you like reading books, a good one that addresses the facts that support
Christianity is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. There is an advantage
to a book-it does not change as a page on the Internet can. Plus, a million
copies of Paul Little's book have been printed (about 40 times the number
required to be called a "best seller") which proves it is not an isolated
person's opinion.
References
[1] The DEFENDER'S Study Bible, Word Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan
(1995).
[2] The Number of Stars
[3] The Hydrologic Cycle
[4] Submarine Volcanic Ecosystems (An article on hydrothermal vents.)
--
"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane
history."
Sir Isaac Newton [1642-1727]
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User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 20 Aug 2005 06:16:40 PM
If IDB ever found they weren't, he'd start doubting his expectation
of material reward.
Paul
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User: "Steve"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 01:04:43 AM
"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
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Statements Consistent With Astronomy
a.. The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the
heavens. Here are two examples.


Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your
descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the
seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

You only have to look up to see there are a lot of stars .... wow .. this is
amazing stuff !
If you mean the count with the use of technology .... well the descendants
will be in the order of .... well im not sure what number a billion billion
+ is ... but if this comes true parking is going to be a nightmare.


Jeremiah 33:22
"As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea
measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the
Levites who minister to Me."

See above

Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there
are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen

estimates

of 1021 stars-which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on
the earth's seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more
stars, wouldn't it be interesting to discover that these two numbers

match?)


b.. The Bible also says that each star is unique.
1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another
glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

Please provide a explanation of "in glory" and how do we test it ?

All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a
telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of

their

light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all

others.[1]

(*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in
color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye,

but

we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim

they

differ from one another.)
c.. The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.


Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
"If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever."

Wow.... someone noticed he moon and the sun ...... lucky they wrote that
down ... we might forget.


d.. The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.


Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.

mmmm .....

Statements Consistent With Meteorology
a.. The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.


Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.

The wind blows ... another gem


b.. The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.


Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300
years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the
efficient functioning of the world's hydrologic cycle, which in turn
sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please
ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this
comment.)

alright ....

Statements Consistent With Biology
a.. The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value
of blood.

well if you are bleeding you generally are not feeling tip top are u ? So u
dont have to be einstien to figure out the red stuff is pretty important


Leviticus 17:11
'For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that
makes atonement for the soul.'
The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the

body's

temperature, and removes the waste material of the body's cells. The blood
also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William
Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical
life-confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]

b.. The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms
from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living
organism.


Genesis 1:11,12
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields
seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose

seed

is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth
grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that
yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw
that it was good.

*yawn*

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves,
with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged
bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

*yawn again*

Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle
according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according

to

its kind. And God saw that it was good.
The phrase "according to its kind" occurs repeatedly, stressing the
reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know

this

occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their
genetic codes.[1]

c.. The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed

into

his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

this describes the chemical nature of flesh ?

Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.


d.. It is a proven fact that a person's mental and spiritual health is
strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us
with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.


Proverbs 12:4
An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.

statement of the bleeding obvious

Proverbs 14:30
A sound heart is life to the body,
But envy is rottenness to the bones.

SBO

Proverbs 15:30
The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
And a good report makes the bones healthy.

Proverbs 16:24
Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.

SBO

Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart does good, like medicine,
But a broken spirit dries the bones.

SBO

Statements Consistent With Anthropology
a.. We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited

caves.

The Bible also describes cave men.


Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks.

wow again ... some people were driven out (prolly cause they didnt believe
***** like the drivel you are peddling) and they had to shelter in caves.

Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered
from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who

competed

successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some
reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go

into

a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)

Statements Consistent With Hydrology
a.. The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the

hydrologic

cycle.[3]


Psalm 135:7
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;

lightning *for* the rain ?

He brings the wind out of His treasuries.

yep . i saw the treasuries on last nights weather forecast

Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
"And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries."
In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle-the
worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric
circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and

precipitation.[1]


Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water
which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to
tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into

drops

large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]

b.. The Bible describes the recirculation of water.


Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.


Isaiah 55:10
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,


c.. The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held

as

condensation in clouds.

Job 26:8
He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it.

here is something thick in this hread... but it aint clouds


Job 37:11
Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
He scatters His bright clouds.


d.. Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible

written

before 1400BC-more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.


Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the
seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great
deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

You are reading something that isnt here (like the rest of your quotes)

Job 38:16
Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
We discuss the "fountains of the great deep" further in our Creation
Versus Evolution page.

Statements Consistent With Geology
a.. The Bible describes the Earth's crust (along with a comment on
astronomy).


Jeremiah 31:37
Thus says the LORD:
"If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD."
Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of

the

universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill
through the earth's crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far,

ended

in failure.[1]

b.. The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people
thought that the earth was spherical.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The word translated "circle" here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also
translated "circuit," or "compass" (depending on the context). That is, it
indicates something spherical,

no it does not
rounded, or arched-not something that is flat

or square.

The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is

at

least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a

sphere

in this book On the Heavens.

This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many
people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic
Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of
the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce

his

findings. (At that time, "theologians" of the Roman Catholic Church
maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert
otherwise was deemed heretical.)

We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is
flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this
conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a
power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became
casualties-an effect we still feel to this day.

only with idgits like u

Statements Consistent With Physics
a.. The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we
associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that

could

have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter
wrote the following verse).


2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which

the

heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned

up.
sounds like the hell fire you folks are always on about - so what?

b.. The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device

that

uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible
contains passages that describe something like television-something that
allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages

typically

refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for

sure

whether the Bible is true or not.)

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all

the

tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

TV eh ..... if you can read tv in this u have an antenna up your ..

Revelation 11:9-11
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see

their

dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be

put

into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make
merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented
those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the

breath

of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great

fear

fell on those who saw them.
Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain
The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the
Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still,
the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is
really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not

explain.


In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists

discovered

many proofs that confirm the Bible's accuracy. Since these proofs support
the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense

to

trust the Bible's text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how
many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would
like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible, click on the
link below.

How Do You Know The Bible Is True?
If you like reading books, a good one that addresses the facts that

support

Christianity is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. There is an advantage
to a book-it does not change as a page on the Internet can. Plus, a

million

copies of Paul Little's book have been printed (about 40 times the number
required to be called a "best seller") which proves it is not an isolated
person's opinion.



References
[1] The DEFENDER'S Study Bible, Word Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan
(1995).
[2] The Number of Stars
[3] The Hydrologic Cycle
[4] Submarine Volcanic Ecosystems (An article on hydrothermal vents.)


--
"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any

profane

history."
Sir Isaac Newton [1642-1727]


You Sir are an idiot reverse engineering your knowledge (i use the term
reluctantly) onto passages to suit your agenda
Steve
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User: "Larry Heath"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 05:39:38 PM
"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
news:mxdNe.54$Wf3.964@news.uswest.net...

Statements Consistent With Astronomy
a.. The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the
heavens. Here are two examples.


Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your
descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the
seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Our own Milky Way, a typical giant spiral galaxy, includes at least 100
billion stars in its diameter.
Damn, I sure hope you theists figure out contraception is a good idea,
before this point.
The heavens, connotation, the universe.
Galaxies in the universe: The Hubble Space Telescope has found there may be
125 billion galaxies in the universe.
Lets now assume that one human is a box 18" x 18" x 72" that's about 23328
cubic inches.
Lets see that is 100,000,000,000 x 125,000,000,000 x 23328 =
156250000000000000000000000 cu/in
Oh! ***** I forgot the grains of sand on the beaches part. I find that there
are on the order of 1022 to 1025 grains of sand at the surface. This is
obviously a very gross estimate.
So were at about 10^53 power cubic inches of humans.
The earth is about 1,097,509,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters.
Lets see, there are about 61023.75 cubic inches per cubic meter, or about
2.5^48 cubic meters of humans. divided by 1,097,509,500,000,000,000,000
(earth in cubic meters) equals about 2,332,989,830,359,095,51,275,798,483
earth volumes worth of humans. According to the bible anyway.
Man oh man, you theists better hope that the secularists/atheists/scientific
types find a ***** load of habitable planets real quick and a way to get
there before all these people show up.
Snip all the rest of the bible *****!
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 12:03:52 PM
"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
news:mxdNe.54$Wf3.964@news.uswest.net...

Statements Consistent With Astronomy
a.. The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the
heavens. Here are two examples.

What would be more interesting is that you actually explain the bibical
statements that are inconsistent with science.
.
User: "Don Freeman"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 12:10:26 PM
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"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
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Statements Consistent With Astronomy
a.. The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the
heavens. Here are two examples.


What would be more interesting is that you actually explain the bibical
statements that are inconsistent with science.

He's incapable of explaining anything. Google on:
"The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens.
Here are two examples"
and you can find where he stole his "explanation".
He is consistently copying other words and passing them on as his own,
without having a clue as to what it says in most cases. Words over one
syllable seem to puzzle him.
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 12:02:51 AM
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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring us that
it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.
I couldn't have done it better myself!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 02:25:30 AM
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"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring us
that it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com

Now. Now. Don't be such a sarcastic curmudgeon. The following is most
certainly the result of 'natural, materialistic causes':
That Jesus, a 1st-century Jew, was actually conceived as a result of a

"supernatural liaison" between a "God" and a "virgin," and that this
1st-century Jew walked on water and raised people from the dead, and that
he had the ability to empower others to do the
same. Oh, by the way, it is also a scientific fact that this 1st-century
Jew was actually God *and* himself simultaneously.

Where's proof of all this you ask? Why it says so in the bible! You see,
what is stated in that great grand-daddy of all science books - the bible -
'must'
be true. It's in the most revered science book known to mankind. Therefore,
none of the preceding cannot be scientifically false. As a result, none of
the
preceding should be construed to be 'miraculous' per se, because
*that* would fly in the face of the 'science.' Ergo, no 'miracles'. Just
pure,
unadulterated scientific fact. Biblical scientific fact, to be more precise.
You follow?
Greywolf
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User: "Ian Chesterton"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 01:02:09 AM
Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring us that
it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

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You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Anyway,
the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of the
Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single thing
they said have been a lucky guess?
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User: "Mark Stahl"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 04:12:36 PM
"Ian Chesterton" <ichesterton@spfd.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring us
that
it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Anyway,
the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of the
Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single thing
they said have been a lucky guess?

Yeah, it's a pretty major revelation that there are "lots" of stars in the
sky.
Meanwhile, the bible is chock full of scientific errors. What happened
there? Could every single thing they said have been flat out wrong?
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User: "God"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 01:13:08 AM
Cometh the hour, cometh Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
news:mxdNe.54$Wf3.964@news.uswest.net...

Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring us that
it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Anyway,
the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of the
Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single thing
they said have been a lucky guess?

So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.
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User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 01:36:16 AM
"God" <TheLord@heaven.gov> wrote in message
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Cometh the hour, cometh Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
news:mxdNe.54$Wf3.964@news.uswest.net...

Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring

us that

it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Anyway,
the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of the
Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single thing
they said have been a lucky guess?


So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.

Then you must think communism and Nazism are "civilization" since that's
what Europe got when religion went.
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 05:50:11 AM
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Cometh the hour, cometh Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us this:

Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in message
news:mxdNe.54$Wf3.964@news.uswest.net...

Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by assuring

us that

it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected. Anyway,
the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of the
Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single thing
they said have been a lucky guess?


So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.


Then you must think communism and Nazism are "civilization" since that's
what Europe got when religion went.

Nazi's were christians FYI and you do not have to be an atheist to be a
communist and vice versa. You clearly swallow the force fed *****
dontcha. Lemme guess - all atheists are immoral, devil worshippers who are
just angry at god.....right?
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User: "Unpleasant Truth"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 02:31:29 AM
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who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us

this:


Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in

message

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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by

assuring

us that

it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected.

Anyway,

the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of

the

Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single

thing

they said have been a lucky guess?


So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.


Then you must think communism and Nazism are "civilization" since

that's

what Europe got when religion went.


Nazi's were christians FYI

Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

and you do not have to be an atheist to be a
communist and vice versa.

No, but it sure helps, especially since Christianity is as antithetical to
communism as it is to Nazism. That's why both communism and Nazism
conducted purges against Christianity.

You clearly swallow the force fed *****
dontcha. Lemme guess - all atheists are immoral, devil worshippers who

are

just angry at god.....right?

No. Obviously, they can't be "immoral, devil worshippers who are just
angry at god" - because they don't believe in God or the devil.
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 11:10:10 AM
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this:


Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in

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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by

assuring

us that

it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected.

Anyway,

the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of

the

Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single

thing

they said have been a lucky guess?


So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.


Then you must think communism and Nazism are "civilization" since

that's

what Europe got when religion went.


Nazi's were christians FYI


Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

It doesn't make them atheists or neo pagans though does it.

and you do not have to be an atheist to be a
communist and vice versa.


No, but it sure helps, especially since Christianity is as antithetical to
communism as it is to Nazism. That's why both communism and Nazism
conducted purges against Christianity.

Sorry but if Nazis were atheists why would they target mainly the Jewish
religion, shouldnt they be killing Christians too?
Communism purged non communists (and plenty of communists too but their
leaders tend to be a bit manical and don't actually follow the ideals laid
out by Marx)


You clearly swallow the force fed *****
dontcha. Lemme guess - all atheists are immoral, devil worshippers who

are

just angry at god.....right?


No. Obviously, they can't be "immoral, devil worshippers who are just
angry at god" - because they don't believe in God or the devil.

and yet many of the "christians" posting here have suggested as much. You
should have a word with them
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User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 09:18:49 PM
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Cometh the hour, cometh Ian Chesterton <ichesterton@spfd.com>
who, with imperceptibly subtle footwork in alt.atheism, gave us

this:


Denis Loubet wrote:


"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote in

message

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Excellent, you have single handedly eliminated miracles by

assuring

us that

it's all due to natural, materialistic causes.

I couldn't have done it better myself!

--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com




You missed the point completely. But that's to be expected.

Anyway,

the point was that before so much of what is in the Bible was
established as true by science, one must wonder how the authors of

the

Bible would have gotten what they said correct since science wasn't
advanced enough to give them these answers. Could every single

thing

they said have been a lucky guess?


So explain to us, because IDBIA certainly hasn't, exactly what the
connection is between the statements he quoted from the Bible and any
known scientific facts. Be very careful of the need to be precise,
which is what science is all about. There is a very serious risk of
you looking completely ridiculous.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.


Then you must think communism and Nazism are "civilization" since

that's

what Europe got when religion went.


Nazi's were christians FYI


Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

No true Scotsman eh?


and you do not have to be an atheist to be a
communist and vice versa.


No, but it sure helps, especially since Christianity is as antithetical to
communism as it is to Nazism. That's why both communism and Nazism
conducted purges against Christianity.

The Nazi army had belt buckles with the slogan "Gott mit uns". If you had
asked them if they were Christians most would have said yes. Why should we
believe you as claiming to be an arbiter on who is Christian and who is not.
Communism/collectivism is a concept lifted straight out of the bible. Read
Acts.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
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User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 09:01:51 AM
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 00:31:29 -0700, "Unpleasant Truth"
<no.one@nowhere.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism
beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following

Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

According to Jesus, you're supposed to give away all your possessions
to the poor, hate your family, and never fight back.
Are you following the tenets of Christianity?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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User: "Joseki"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 06:20:22 AM
Unpleasant Truth said:

Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

Ignoring your overstatement with "every tenet", could we look at this
view in several other contexts?
Maybe with regard to slavery: Yes or no?
"Slavery violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated
in
the horrors of slavery and thought himself a Christian was seriously
deluding
himself. "
Or the Spanish or French Inquistiions? How judge yee, yes or no?
"The Inqustitions violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who
participated in
the Inquistition and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself. "
Or the Crusades, Yes or no?
"The Crusadersviolated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who
participated in
the Crusades and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself."
Just checking here, trying to see which horrible treatments of my
fellow man were following the tenets of Christianity and which weren't.
This Christianity is a complex thing. Parts of the Bible can be
ignored, other can't. Infant damnation. Talking bushes (on fire no
less), walking on water, all the confusion on who can preach and if
they can marry. For an omniscent and omnipotent guy, the Christian G~d
sure is testing his followers. I often wish he would of said his stuff
a little clearer.
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User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 04:12:13 AM
Unpleasant Truth wrote:

Nazi's were christians FYI


Nazism violated every tenet of Christianity. Anyone who participated in
the Nazi holocaust and thought himself a Christian was seriously deluding
himself.

Christians have violated every tenet of civlized behavior
sicne they took over the Roman government. Hitler's pogrom was just one
progrom of many. Christians brought us heresy hunts,oppression forced
conversions, inquistions, witch hunts, crusades, and religous wars such as
the religious wars that killed 1/4 of Europe in the 1500's.
It brought us slavery and the Spanish Conquistors enslaving the entire
continent of South America.
Christianity has been nothing but mass murder and pogroms and wars for
1600 years.
Hitler's Germany was just an especially vigorous and ambitius pogrom, not
different much in kind from the many before it. primed by the ugly
antisemitism if the Greek gospel writers, fanned by the Catholic church and
then the Lutheran church, Hitler was just another in a series of
Christian genocides of the Jews.
It wasn't Atheists in the German army wearing those Gott Mit Uns
German army belt buckles. Or republishing the ugly antisemitic rants of
Martin Luther. Or putting on those inflammatory anti-jewish passion plays
Christians so loved since the dark ages.
The roots of the antisemitism that Hitler fed on come straight from te
gospels and have been fanned to white hot flames of pogroms for centuries
by christians. yet recently, we had that turd Mel Gibson with his stupid
film stirring the same evil antisemitism of the gospels. Stupid xians
won't learn from a millenia or more of pogroms and mass murder and
antisemitic hate mongering.
Think Hitler was just some fluke? No, Hitler's murders was just one of
many.
Christians did these things.
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No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
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User: "Joseki"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 19 Aug 2005 07:11:13 AM
I don't know much about the Bible having much science in it. There are
nice poetic images about creation, but there are a number of
fundementalists that don't understand what a metaphor is.
The Bible does have some interesting math though:
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to
the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
Which would require pi = 3.0 rather than the more widely accepted
3.1415....
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User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 20 Aug 2005 04:47:43 PM

Reply to article by: "Joseki" <joseki.BX@gmail.com>
Date written: 19 Aug 2005 05:11:13 -0700
MsgID:<1124453473.561241.135770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
I don't know much about the Bible having much science in it. There are
nice poetic images about creation, but there are a number of
fundementalists that don't understand what a metaphor is.
The Bible does have some interesting math though:
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to
the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
Which would require pi = 3.0 rather than the more widely accepted
3.1415....

I'm sorry but that won't prove your point, as that only shows that God is very
bad at math...
Leviticus 3:17 vs. Nehemiah 8:10
God thinks forever equals 1000 years
II Chronicles 16:1 vs. I Kings 15:33
Was it 36 or 3?
II Chronicles 4:2-6 vs. I Kings 7:26
Was it 2000 or 3000 bath measures?
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User: "Iness"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 20 Aug 2005 02:03:41 PM
kathryn wrote:

Nazi's were christians

Many were NOT by their own admission. Most modern National Socialists
that I know of are not Christian either. I'm not. Do you think today's
neo-Nazi parties in Germany are full of Bible-thumpers? lol. Get real.
FYI and you do not have to be an atheist to be a

communist and vice versa.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a National Socialist and vice
versa. For me, worshipping a long-dead jew (who I'm not even sure
existed) is the last thing I want to do.
.
User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 20 Aug 2005 02:34:55 PM
"Iness" <efefon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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kathryn wrote:

Nazi's were christians


Many were NOT by their own admission. Most modern National Socialists
that I know of are not Christian either. I'm not. Do you think today's
neo-Nazi parties in Germany are full of Bible-thumpers? lol. Get real.

Yeah because I said all nazis were christian fundamentalists.....


FYI and you do not have to be an atheist to be a

communist and vice versa.


You don't have to be a Christian to be a National Socialist and vice
versa. For me, worshipping a long-dead jew (who I'm not even sure
existed) is the last thing I want to do.

Yeah because I said that all christians were communists and all communists
are christians....
.
User: "Joris Goedbloed"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 05:47:36 AM
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:34:55 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


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kathryn wrote:

Nazi's were christians


Many were NOT by their own admission. Most modern National Socialists
that I know of are not Christian either. I'm not. Do you think today's
neo-Nazi parties in Germany are full of Bible-thumpers? lol. Get real.


Yeah because I said all nazis were christian fundamentalists.....

In the US that is certainly correct. In Europe, today, the opposite.
.
User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 21 Aug 2005 10:59:06 AM
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:34:55 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:


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kathryn wrote:

Nazi's were christians


Many were NOT by their own admission. Most modern National Socialists
that I know of are not Christian either. I'm not. Do you think today's
neo-Nazi parties in Germany are full of Bible-thumpers? lol. Get real.


Yeah because I said all nazis were christian fundamentalists.....

In the US that is certainly correct. In Europe, today, the opposite.

I was going to point out the KKK which are most certainly fundies. In
regards to the Nazi parties in Europe they don't play up their religious
affiliations or lack thereof but their roots are in christianity (do you
think there are many Muslim/Hindu/Buddist etc Nazis?) and Hitler made
several references to that faith - he most certainly wasn't a neo pagan as
the new pope seems to think.
.
User: "Joris Goedbloed"

Title: Re: Biblical Statements consistent with Science 22 Aug 2005 08:41:21 AM
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:59:06 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:

Yeah because I said all nazis were christian fundamentalists.....

In the US that is certainly correct. In Europe, today, the opposite.

I was going to point out the KKK which are most certainly fundies.

Not only that, but extremely stupid fundies too. I saw a question in
the religious section of stromfront:
"Do elves and fairies have souls too?" This was/is a serious question
where the questioner assumes elves and fairies are church approved...
Excuse me? Does the Energizer Bunny have a soul*? I mean, how stoopid
can one get?

In
regards to the Nazi parties in Europe they don't play up their religious
affiliations or lack thereof but their roots are in christianity.

Yes, and that is all there is to it. Nobody in Europe would start
quibbling bible quotes. They'd rather see a church than a mosque. At
this moment the biggest worry on their minds is how to prevent Turkey
becoming member of the EU and how to get rid of the muslims already
there. Any racial ideas beyond that or ranting about Marcus 47:11 or
Josaphat 9:11 doesn't interest anyone there at all. (But I do hear
them a lot moaning about Tottenham - Manchester 1:3)

(do you
think there are many Muslim/Hindu/Buddist etc Nazis?)

At the moment somewhat above zero, but not a lot. Extreme right wing
oriented is certainly not the same as being a Nazi. A lot of muslims,
hindus and buddhists can be ultra conservative. But nazis?
How big is the NS*I*AP? (I = Israeli)
I see in Thailand more often than I like people wearing a Nazi
swastika. Usually on Stahlhelmets, on a motorcycle. But something on T
shirts as well. But it has no political meaning at all. Just a fashion
statement.
Those youngsters don't know what it stands for: I talked with a few of
those guys, usually they're guys, and they know nothing whatsoever
about WW2, Germany in general or Nazi Germany in particular or why
farangs are offended.
As to the much vaunted Turkish or Muslim Waffen SS division: see the
inconsequence here? Hitler was railing about the lack of real Aryans
in South/Central Europe. But when forced, made a 180 turn volte face.
Very similar to the southern armies raising slaves to defend the
Confederacy.

and Hitler made
several references to that faith - he most certainly wasn't a neo pagan as
the new pope seems to think.

The new pope needs a bigger villain than he is himself. Not only that,
the RCC history before, during and after WW2 is not exactly a nice
book to read.
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Jos Flachs in: Krungthep Mahanakhon Bovorn Rattanakorsin Mahinthara
Ayutthaya Mahadilokpop Noparat Ratchathani Burirom
Udom Ratchanivej Mahasathan Amornpiman Avatarnsathit
Sakkathattiya A-visnukarmpasit
also known as: Bangkok, Thailand
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