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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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24 Jan 2004 11:00:25 AM |
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Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
The bill, by Delegate Robert G. Marshall (R-Manassas), would have
deemed any judge who ruled against the state's Defense of Marriage Act
to be "unfit" and guilty of "malfeasance in office". It would then
have allowed the legislature to impeach and remove them from the
bench.
Marshall told the Courts of Justice Committee that the bill was
intended to prevent gay rights activists from petitioning the courts
to change the state's law against gay marriage, citing the ruling by
the Massachusetts Supreme Court last year that ordered that state's
legislature to legalize same-sex marriage.
Del. Brian J. Moran, D-Alexandria, said Marshall's bill was "clearly
unconstitutional."
"We don't tell judges how to rule," Moran said. "It's a silly method
if he wants to voice his support of the (gay marriage) statute. ... He
should issue a press release and not spend taxpayer money debating it
here."
The committee voted 18-3 to reject the legislation, effectively
killing it.
Last week, in a different committee, legislation was introduced to
revamp the state's anti-sodomy law.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
26 Jan 2004 10:51:25 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG> wrote in message
news:101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
The bill, by Delegate Robert G. Marshall (R-Manassas), would have
deemed any judge who ruled against the state's Defense of Marriage Act
to be "unfit" and guilty of "malfeasance in office". It would then
have allowed the legislature to impeach and remove them from the
bench.
The very fact that such a totalitarian bill was even considered is worrying.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
26 Jan 2004 02:33:29 PM |
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(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
The bill, by Delegate Robert G. Marshall (R-Manassas), would have
deemed any judge who ruled against the state's Defense of Marriage Act
to be "unfit" and guilty of "malfeasance in office". It would then
have allowed the legislature to impeach and remove them from the
bench.
The very fact that such a totalitarian bill was even considered is worrying.
It is comforting to know that even though the bill was sponsored by a
Republican (Manassas delegate Robert Marshall) that it took other Republicans
to defeat it as handily as it was.
The vote breakdown by party was:
Against: 12 Republican, 7 Democrat
For: 2 Republican, 1 Democrat
Marshall is also the delegate who is spearheading the anti-gay marriage bill in
the Virginia Commons, a bill which is almost identical to the Virginia
anti-miscegenation laws that were struck down 37 years ago using the same
arguments that the Supreme Court unanimously ripped to shreds.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
26 Jan 2004 04:55:51 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complex> wrote in message
news:20040126153329.13026.00000822@mb-m02.aol.com...
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
The bill, by Delegate Robert G. Marshall (R-Manassas), would have
deemed any judge who ruled against the state's Defense of Marriage Act
to be "unfit" and guilty of "malfeasance in office". It would then
have allowed the legislature to impeach and remove them from the
bench.
The very fact that such a totalitarian bill was even considered is
worrying.
It is comforting to know that even though the bill was sponsored by a
Republican (Manassas delegate Robert Marshall) that it took other
Republicans
to defeat it as handily as it was.
The vote breakdown by party was:
Against: 12 Republican, 7 Democrat
For: 2 Republican, 1 Democrat
I wonder who that 1 Democrat is. We Democrats should kick him out of the
party.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Shawn" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
26 Jan 2004 08:25:35 PM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:XVgRb.121059$Rc4.946541@attbi_s54...
"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complex> wrote in message
news:20040126153329.13026.00000822@mb-m02.aol.com...
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
The bill, by Delegate Robert G. Marshall (R-Manassas), would have
deemed any judge who ruled against the state's Defense of Marriage
Act
to be "unfit" and guilty of "malfeasance in office". It would then
have allowed the legislature to impeach and remove them from the
bench.
The very fact that such a totalitarian bill was even considered is
worrying.
It is comforting to know that even though the bill was sponsored by a
Republican (Manassas delegate Robert Marshall) that it took other
Republicans
to defeat it as handily as it was.
The vote breakdown by party was:
Against: 12 Republican, 7 Democrat
For: 2 Republican, 1 Democrat
(piggy backed)
Your numbers don't add up
vote was 18-3 acourding to the original post yet you have 19 against to 3
for.
I wonder who that 1 Democrat is. We Democrats should kick him out of the
party.
Should kick Lieberman first
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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26 Jan 2004 05:56:10 PM |
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I wonder who that 1 Democrat is. We Democrats should kick him out of the
party.
I got the party breakdown of the vote from a friend. I'm looking on the
Commonwealth of Virginia's Legislative Information System for Bill Tracking.
They do not give the results of the vote or who voted and how. They only list
it as failed.
Whoops...didn't look hard enough. The three who voted to pass the bill were
Black, Weatherholtz and Johnson.
Richard H. Black is a Republican from Sterling
Glenn Weatherholtz is a Republican from Harrisonburg
Joseph P. Johnson Jr. is a Democrat from Abingdon, which is way in the
mountains near the Tennessee border. Think Falwell/Robertson country.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?041+sum+HB727
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
30 Jan 2004 03:12:47 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complex> wrote in message
news:20040126185610.23011.00000923@mb-m04.aol.com...
I wonder who that 1 Democrat is. We Democrats should kick him out of the
party.
I got the party breakdown of the vote from a friend. I'm looking on the
Commonwealth of Virginia's Legislative Information System for Bill
Tracking.
They do not give the results of the vote or who voted and how. They only
list
it as failed.
Whoops...didn't look hard enough. The three who voted to pass the bill
were
Black, Weatherholtz and Johnson.
Richard H. Black is a Republican from Sterling
Glenn Weatherholtz is a Republican from Harrisonburg
Joseph P. Johnson Jr. is a Democrat from Abingdon, which is way in the
mountains near the Tennessee border. Think Falwell/Robertson country.
Joseph P. Johnson Jr. deserves to be kicked out of the Democratic Party. We
are better off without totalitarian bigots like him.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "Marty Feldman" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
26 Jan 2004 09:22:24 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets. instead of freaking about
protecting the sanctity of marriage in theory, bible thumpers can make
far, far better use of their time and resources by actually doing
something about the divorce rate among straights. they'll do the most
good, for the most number of people, by preaching to their own,
instead of venting anti-gay venom day after day. sheesh.
and to all gay conservatives: isn't it obvious by now? you'll get
far more headway within the dem party by adovcating conservatism, than
by advocating tolerance to conservatives who hate your existence.
they pride themselves on their core principles and those principles
will never accept your core definition -- the homosexuality that helps
define who you are. forget about it, or at least, forget about bush
until a more reasonable conservative leader comes along.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails |
28 Jan 2004 09:22:08 PM |
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(Marty Feldman) wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets.
I give a damn even though I'm not gay. When anybody isn't offered the
same rights and liberties under the law that I'm allowed to exercise and
enjoy, it's just one step away from _my_ losing such rights. Straights
enjoy tax benefits that fags don't but even more they don't have the
right to sign for each other is their loved one is in the hospital --
among other rights and liberties that straights enjoy.
If we all don't enjoy the same rights, rights are meaningless.
---
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And Saddam: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
"What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003."
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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28 Jan 2004 03:41:28 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG> wrote in message
news:101eanrnenfjc84@corp.supernews.com...
n2themiddle@aol.com (Marty Feldman) wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message
news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets.
I give a damn even though I'm not gay. When anybody isn't offered the
same rights and liberties under the law that I'm allowed to exercise and
enjoy, it's just one step away from _my_ losing such rights. Straights
enjoy tax benefits that fags don't but even more they don't have the
right to sign for each other is their loved one is in the hospital --
among other rights and liberties that straights enjoy.
If we all don't enjoy the same rights, rights are meaningless.
exactly. rights are what separates democracy from mob rule.
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| User: "Marty Feldman" |
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28 Jan 2004 12:32:16 PM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101eanrnenfjc84@corp.supernews.com>...
n2themiddle@aol.com (Marty Feldman) wrote:
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets.
I give a damn even though I'm not gay. When anybody isn't offered the
same rights and liberties under the law that I'm allowed to exercise and
enjoy, it's just one step away from _my_ losing such rights. Straights
enjoy tax benefits that fags don't but even more they don't have the
right to sign for each other is their loved one is in the hospital --
among other rights and liberties that straights enjoy.
If we all don't enjoy the same rights, rights are meaningless.
true enough, but there's only so much time and money. so for me, it's
a broader question of priorities and asset allocation. what
combination and timing of strategies and assets would best achieve the
most good (or rights in this case), for the most people? the way i
personally look at things is different from most people...maybe i'm
nuts, who knows (heh)...but when i see a news report, it's almost
never in isolation. liberals and moderates would be better off
focusing on replacing bush, and doing so by concentrating on his
greatest political vulnerabilities. in defeating bush, there are
countless indirect benefits, of which, gay rights and civil rights in
general, are a part of.
---
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http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM
And Saddam: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
"What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003."
Heimatsicherheitsabteilung: Bush's "Homeland Security" fascism.
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| User: "Kate " |
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28 Jan 2004 03:20:15 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2004 10:32:16 -0800, (Marty Feldman)
wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101eanrnenfjc84@corp.supernews.com>...
(Marty Feldman) wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets
That's rather naive of you. How would you know?
I give a damn even though I'm not gay. When anybody isn't offered the
same rights and liberties under the law that I'm allowed to exercise and
enjoy, it's just one step away from _my_ losing such rights. Straights
enjoy tax benefits that fags don't but even more they don't have the
right to sign for each other is their loved one is in the hospital --
among other rights and liberties that straights enjoy.
If we all don't enjoy the same rights, rights are meaningless.
true enough, but there's only so much time and money. so for me, it's
a broader question of priorities and asset allocation. what
combination and timing of strategies and assets would best achieve the
most good (or rights in this case), for the most people? the way i
personally look at things is different from most people...maybe i'm
nuts, who knows (heh)...but when i see a news report, it's almost
never in isolation. liberals and moderates would be better off
focusing on replacing bush, and doing so by concentrating on his
greatest political vulnerabilities. in defeating bush, there are
countless indirect benefits, of which, gay rights and civil rights in
general, are a part of.
And I'm sure you have a lot of agreement from the left and from the
Gays, unfortunately it's not like we all have control over every
member of every group so ***** happens.
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| User: "Marty Feldman" |
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28 Jan 2004 09:43:36 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in message news:<4047265a.712676406@news-west.newscene.com>...
On 28 Jan 2004 10:32:16 -0800, (Marty Feldman)
wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101eanrnenfjc84@corp.supernews.com>...
(Marty Feldman) wrote:
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<101596l4fke2t67@corp.supernews.com>...
Bid To Impeach Judges Over Gay Marriage Fails
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012004vaJudges.htm
(Richmond, Virginia) Legislation to impeach Virginia judges if they
were to rule in favor of same-sex marriage was defeated Monday in
committee.
good.
that said, who gives a damn? i mean, really. it's just not an issue
in my daily life. i don't know any gays, i don't work with any gays,
don't see them parade on my streets
That's rather naive of you. How would you know?
until you can prove that the people i know and believe to be straight
are in fact gay, it's rather annoying of you to assume that i'm wrong.
anyways, i know everything. muwahaha...
I give a damn even though I'm not gay. When anybody isn't offered the
same rights and liberties under the law that I'm allowed to exercise and
enjoy, it's just one step away from _my_ losing such rights. Straights
enjoy tax benefits that fags don't but even more they don't have the
right to sign for each other is their loved one is in the hospital --
among other rights and liberties that straights enjoy.
If we all don't enjoy the same rights, rights are meaningless.
true enough, but there's only so much time and money. so for me, it's
a broader question of priorities and asset allocation. what
combination and timing of strategies and assets would best achieve the
most good (or rights in this case), for the most people? the way i
personally look at things is different from most people...maybe i'm
nuts, who knows (heh)...but when i see a news report, it's almost
never in isolation. liberals and moderates would be better off
focusing on replacing bush, and doing so by concentrating on his
greatest political vulnerabilities. in defeating bush, there are
countless indirect benefits, of which, gay rights and civil rights in
general, are a part of.
And I'm sure you have a lot of agreement from the left and from the
Gays,
no, you dork, it's the left and the gays i'm essentially arguing
against. it's the centrists who would agree with me. nevermind.
take a number and please stand over there.
unfortunately it's not like we all have control over every
member of every group so ***** happens.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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24 Jan 2004 01:19:33 PM |
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The committee voted 18-3 to reject the legislation, effectively
killing it.
Although I don't know this for certain I think I can make a reasonable
conjecture that Dems do NOT outnumber Republicans 18-3 on a state committee. I
would not be surprised if the Republicans actually had a majority, particularly
in this state (Virginia).
Once again, the neo-cons are defeated in their totalitarian agenda not by
Democrats but by conservatives.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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