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"Shamus OReily" |
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03 Apr 2004 01:50:43 AM |
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Big Questions |
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 06:46:28 AM |
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"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> astounded us with:
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
All very good questions. Which answer would suit you?
1. We don't know all the answers, yet, but we're working on it....
2. God diddit, give up asking questions and learning...
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Phÿltêr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 06:02:29 AM |
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"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Meaningless question.
Why is there anything?
Because there is.
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Because it did.
Big Bang?
Yes.
What was before the big bang?
Meaningless question.
What was the suppossed particle in?
There wasn't any supposed particle.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 11:22:06 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
What was before the big bang?
Meaningless question.
Not necessarily. I read an article in New Scientist a few weeks ago
about possible causes of the big bang. One theory was that there was a
universe contracting from infinity. It's not very popular though as it
doesn't use string theory
--
#1636
Not BAAWA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 11:47:47 AM |
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Ash <Ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:c4ms5e$vht$1
@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
What was before the big bang?
Meaningless question.
Not necessarily. I read an article in New Scientist a few weeks ago
about possible causes of the big bang. One theory was that there was a
universe contracting from infinity. It's not very popular though as it
doesn't use string theory
That's an old one. Various forms of the "cyclical Universe" have been
around for as long as the Hubble expansion (not the telescope :-) has
been known. Even string theory doesn't do much for the problem(s)
associated with the notion of "before the Big Bang". Some think that the
"Loop Quantum Gravity" theory might work better.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 12:07:41 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Ash <Ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:c4ms5e$vht$1
@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
What was before the big bang?
Meaningless question.
Not necessarily. I read an article in New Scientist a few weeks ago
about possible causes of the big bang. One theory was that there was a
universe contracting from infinity. It's not very popular though as it
doesn't use string theory
That's an old one. Various forms of the "cyclical Universe" have been
around for as long as the Hubble expansion (not the telescope :-) has
been known. Even string theory doesn't do much for the problem(s)
associated with the notion of "before the Big Bang". Some think that the
"Loop Quantum Gravity" theory might work better.
Ah, but this is different because it wasn't specifically a theory of a
cyclical universe, but a product of "rewriting the equations of general
relativity in a quantum framework". :) Just reading the further
details, the article was about LQG anyway.
This is something New Scientist does well - present a brief overview of
controversial ideas, some of which eventually become mainstream, others
are rejected as evidence shows them to be incorrect
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#1636
Not BAAWA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 12:31:31 PM |
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Ash <Ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:c4muqs$g8g$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk:
Fred Stone wrote:
Ash <Ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:c4ms5e$vht$1
@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net:
What was before the big bang?
Meaningless question.
Not necessarily. I read an article in New Scientist a few weeks ago
about possible causes of the big bang. One theory was that there was
a universe contracting from infinity. It's not very popular though as
it doesn't use string theory
That's an old one. Various forms of the "cyclical Universe" have been
around for as long as the Hubble expansion (not the telescope :-) has
been known. Even string theory doesn't do much for the problem(s)
associated with the notion of "before the Big Bang". Some think that
the "Loop Quantum Gravity" theory might work better.
Ah, but this is different because it wasn't specifically a theory of a
cyclical universe, but a product of "rewriting the equations of
general relativity in a quantum framework". :) Just reading the
further details, the article was about LQG anyway.
This is something New Scientist does well - present a brief overview
of controversial ideas, some of which eventually become mainstream,
others are rejected as evidence shows them to be incorrect
Scientific American had a pretty decent summary of LQG a couple months
ago. I think they're a bit heavier on the details than New Scientist
(though not as heavy as they used to be).
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Fritz Langs Claytonopolis" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 03:20:54 AM |
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"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net...
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
You may not have noticed, but the universe doesn't fit inside your
brain....what makes you think it will fit inside a bunch of small, pointless
questions that your brain invents?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 07:24:58 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500 in episode
<urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net> we saw our hero "Shamus O'Reily"
<ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com>:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
What do mean "why?"
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
Can't build a theory on a total lack of evidence.
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why? Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
The big bang is supported by the evidence. Whether it makes sense to even
ask "before the big bang" is an open question.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 08:16:34 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, "Shamus O'Reily"
<ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> in news message
<urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net> wrote:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
It doesn't need a purpose to exist. The important question is "how",
and scientists are making progress in describing the process.
Why is there anything?
Why not?
If there is a creator why?
Unlike the brute fact that the universe does, indeed, exist, there is
no evidence for a creator. Until there is evidence, there is really
no need to posit one.
Who created the creator?
If one doesn't exist, this is a nonsense question.
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
The why is unimportant. The how is being investigated. Inflation is
currently the best answer to the question of how the universe started
expanding to take on its present form. Most likely a primordial
universe or multiverse has always existed, and given an eternity, a
universe or universes are inevitable.
What was before the big bang?
A primordial universe -- very small, very energetic.
What was the suppossed particle in?
What supposed particle? You seem to be confused. Particles are
matter. In the pre-inflationary universe, no matter could have
existed. The matter came later after the universe expanded and
cooled.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Many...freely confess that they believe what it makes them
feel good to believe. Evidence doesn't play much of a role.
They are alleviating their fear of randomness by identifying
regularities that are not there. - Murray Gell-Mann
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 09:47:22 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, "Shamus O'Reily"
<ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
The Pink Unicorn (PBUH) barfed it into existence.
Why is there anything?
Why indeed?
If there is a creator why?
Is there a creator?
Who created the creator?
Easy: the creator's creator, of course.
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
The Pink Unicorn (PBUH) barfed it into existence.
Big Bang?
No, Little Bang. That was the pre production model.
What was before the big bang?
Little Bang, I just told you.
What was the suppossed particle in?
Pink. The Unicorn considered lilac, a fabulous color. But settled for
pink.
You proved that one fool can answer more than a thousand wise men can
answer, Paddy.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 10:57:27 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, "Shamus O'Reily"
<ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
Why are you asking those questions here? We are atheists and atheists
are honest enough to not make up answers to questions that there is no
possible way humans could get answers to.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 01:48:18 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, "Shamus O'Reily"
<ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com>, Message ID:
<urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Gee.....how unsurprising to a moron like yourself meaningless questions
are *to you* 'big' questions.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Faith" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 01:11:06 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, Shamus O'Reily wrote:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
To me, all of the "why" questions are irrelevant. They seem to imply that
there has to be a reason and therefore a conscient effort. I don't see any
reason that it would be necessary for there to be a reason behind natural
events. Cause, yes. Reason, no.
--
Faith
EAC #4
Dept. Head-Education/Re-education
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
04 Apr 2004 03:24:17 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:11:06 GMT, Faith <Angelsbsbl@earthlink.net>,
Message ID: <1is8ccckdb3j8$.1bmh0aop36zru$.dlg@40tude.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 02:50:43 -0500, Shamus O'Reily wrote:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
To me, all of the "why" questions are irrelevant. They seem to imply that
there has to be a reason and therefore a conscient effort. I don't see any
reason that it would be necessary for there to be a reason behind natural
events. Cause, yes. Reason, no.
There's no reason behind, infront, to either side, above or below, much
less at any angle with in a 20 foot radius of fundies, either.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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06 Apr 2004 10:46:24 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 1:50:43 -0500, Shamus O'Reily wrote
(in message <urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net>):
From: "Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Theories please: Why is the universe? Why is there anything? If there is a
creator why? Who created the creator? If there wasn't a creator how did the
universe happen and why? Big Bang? What was before the big bang? What was
the suppossed particle in?
"Why" is the wrong word to use in these questions. There is no "why," only
"how, when, where." "Why" presupposed a purpose." So why don't you show us
some evidence for this "purpose"?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Your god wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Apr 2004 11:50:49 AM |
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:46:24 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net>, Message ID:
<0001HW.BC983B000016EECDF02845B0@news.central.cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 1:50:43 -0500, Shamus O'Reily wrote
(in message <urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net>):
From: "Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Theories please: Why is the universe? Why is there anything? If there is a
creator why? Who created the creator? If there wasn't a creator how did the
universe happen and why? Big Bang? What was before the big bang? What was
the suppossed particle in?
"Why" is the wrong word to use in these questions. There is no "why," only
"how, when, where." "Why" presupposed a purpose." So why don't you show us
some evidence for this "purpose"?
Because it was a pathetic hit and run troll.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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07 Apr 2004 03:51:25 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:50:49 -0500, stoney wrote
(in message <nac870d4o081vbg8v9gsk1r1gmmbd0f2g4@4ax.com>):
"Why" is the wrong word to use in these questions. There is no "why," only
"how, when, where." "Why" presupposed a purpose." So why don't you show us
some evidence for this "purpose"?
Because it was a pathetic hit and run troll.
Seems so, too bad, it "could have been a contender."
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"Nobody ever expects the peer reviewed journal!"
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and literacy...literacy and
surprise....
Our two weapons are literacy and surprise... and ruthless
sticklery....
Our three weapons are literacy, surprise, and ruthless sticklery...
and an almost fanatical devotion to Strunk & White....
Our four... no...
Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...
are such elements as literacy, surprise...
(From Brien and Beowulf)
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Apr 2004 05:56:06 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:51:25 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net>, Message ID:
<0001HW.BC99D3FD0015DF23F02845B0@news.central.cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:50:49 -0500, stoney wrote
(in message <nac870d4o081vbg8v9gsk1r1gmmbd0f2g4@4ax.com>):
"Why" is the wrong word to use in these questions. There is no "why," only
"how, when, where." "Why" presupposed a purpose." So why don't you show us
some evidence for this "purpose"?
Because it was a pathetic hit and run troll.
Seems so, too bad, it "could have been a contender."
And the moon is really really really made out of green cheese.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 01:49:52 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Shamus O'Reily:
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
Good questions, I suppose. To clear you mind, stop asking why and start
wondering "how".
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "M C" |
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| Title: Re: Big Questions |
03 Apr 2004 04:13:49 AM |
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Yawn...
"Shamus O'Reily" <ryefield182.1187@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:urydncKEtN5J8fPdRVn-hw@golden.net...
Theories please:
Why is the universe?
Why is there anything?
If there is a creator why?
Who created the creator?
If there wasn't a creator how did the universe happen and why?
Big Bang?
What was before the big bang?
What was the suppossed particle in?
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