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"stoney" |
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17 Aug 2006 07:15:35 PM |
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Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
“Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades,” she said
in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pdf
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents and
manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an appeals
court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with costly
remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to make
“corrective” public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing cigarettes in
ways that convey health claims such as “low tar” and “light.”
Targeted in the 1999 lawsuit were Altria Group Inc. and its Philip
Morris USA unit; Loews Corp.’s Lorillard Tobacco unit; Vector Group
Ltd.’s Liggett Group; Reynolds American Inc.’s R.J. Reynolds Tobacco
unit and British American Tobacco Plc unit British American Tobacco
Investments Ltd.
As public health groups expressed disappointment in the outcome, tobacco
stocks rose. Altria gained over 3 percent in extended trading after the
ruling, Reynolds rose over 2 percent, Carolina Group, a tracking stock
for Lorillard, was up over 1 percent.
“Although they lost, they won. It’s a victory for the tobacco
companies,” said Tim Ghriskey, chief investment officer at Solaris Asset
Management.
A spokesman for Reynolds Tobacco said the company was disappointed that
Kessler ruled in favor of the government, but "certainly we’re pleased
that the court did not award unjustified and extraordinary expensive
monetary penalties."
The ruling was also seen as the last major hurdle to be cleared before
Altria decides when it will spin off its Kraft Foods Inc. business.
Kessler ordered each company to post on its Web site all documents it
submitted to prosecutors in the case and transcripts of letters and
depositions of former employees about the health impacts of cigarette
smoking or research. The material must remain on their Web sites until
2016.
The corrective statements would have to appear on Web sites, in
full-page advertisements in major newspapers, on three major television
networks and on cigarette packaging.
Little regard for suffering
She also ruled that the tobacco companies will have to pay for the
government’s court costs. Current figures are not available, but the
government has previously said it spent more than $130 million on the
case.
The companies pursued profits “with little, if any, regard for
individual illness and suffering, soaring health costs, or the integrity
of the legal system,” Kessler said.
Kessler exempted Liggett from the remedies, saying the company “does not
have a reasonable likelihood of future (racketeering) violations”
because it withdrew from the conspiracy in the mid-1990s.
The judge said she was barred from imposing stricter penalties against
the tobacco companies by a February 2005 ruling of the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
That opinion, written by appellate Judge David Sentelle, barred the
government from seeking $280 billion in past industry profits, depriving
the government of its biggest potential weapon in the case.
Lawyers for the Justice Department eventually asked the judge to instead
require tobacco companies to fund a 10-year, $14 billion anti-smoking
program.
But in Thursday’s opinion, Kessler said that remedy was also out of step
with the appeals court ruling, which dictated that civil racketeering
remedies focus on the prevention of future misconduct, not punishment of
past misdeeds.
Public health groups applauded Kessler for holding the tobacco companies
liable but expressed disappointment in the remedies .
“It’s ... worthy of a life sentence but instead they got a slap on the
wrist,” Cass Wheeler, the chief executive of the American Heart
Association, said in a statement.
The Justice Department applauded Kessler’s finding of liability, and
while disappointed with the remedies, was hopeful they could have “a
significant, positive impact on the health of the American public.”
KEY TOBACCO RULINGS
A federal district court judge ruled on Thursday that cigarette makers
conspired for years to hide smoking dangers but declined to impose major
monetary penalties.
The decision came in the government’s 1999 lawsuit against Altria Group
Inc. and its Philip Morris USA unit; Loews Corp.’s Lorillard Tobacco
unit, which has a tracking stock, Carolina Group; Vector Group Ltd.’s
Liggett Group; Reynolds American Inc.’s R.J. Reynolds Tobacco unit and
British American Tobacco Plc unit British American Tobacco Investments
Ltd.
Other key rulings involving the tobacco industry include the following:
— July 2006: Florida Supreme Court refused to reinstate a $145 billion
punitive damages award against major cigarette makers found liable for
selling a dangerous product. It ruled that the punitive award was
“clearly excessive” and said it would “result in an unlawful crippling
of the defendant companies.”
— May 2006: Illinois Supreme Court said it would not reconsider its
earlier reversal of a $10.1 billion damage award against Philip Morris
USA over the marketing of “light” cigarettes. The court in December
ordered a lower court to dismiss a class-action case in which the
company was accused of defrauding customers into thinking “light”
cigarettes were safer than regular ones.
— February 2005: U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit barred the government from seeking $280 billion in past industry
profits in the racketeering case decided on Thursday. The appeals court
decision deprived the government of its biggest potential weapon. The
court said any remedies must focus on the prevention of future
misconduct, not punishment of past misdeeds.
Copyright 2006 Reuters
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
18 Aug 2006 12:58:01 AM |
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In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
“Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades,” she said
in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pdf
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents and
manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an appeals
court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with costly
remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to make
“corrective” public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing cigarettes in
ways that convey health claims such as “low tar” and “light.”
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even get a
slap on the wrist.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
19 Aug 2006 12:00:38 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pdf
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation, being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
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| User: "johac" |
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19 Aug 2006 11:30:27 PM |
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In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pdf
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation, being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "" |
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20 Aug 2006 05:43:45 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pdf
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation, being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
Sunyata
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
22 Aug 2006 05:56:33 PM |
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wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
23 Aug 2006 12:39:04 AM |
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In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
23 Aug 2006 09:22:34 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Sunyata
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
24 Aug 2006 12:27:46 AM |
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In article <1b3qe2d72nndcsdpst7n5j42jal59676aj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
So far no adverse effects, but one never knows.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
24 Aug 2006 05:20:02 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:27:46 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b3qe2d72nndcsdpst7n5j42jal59676aj@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
So far no adverse effects, but one never knows.
Good. At least, with absence of self administered smog with a payload
of so many things that counter health, your odds are better. I hope it
stays that way :)
Sunyata
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
25 Aug 2006 12:05:53 AM |
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In article <db9se2pm3eobc4ehd99udu0kg75f61bp4n@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:27:46 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b3qe2d72nndcsdpst7n5j42jal59676aj@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
So far no adverse effects, but one never knows.
Good. At least, with absence of self administered smog with a payload
of so many things that counter health, your odds are better. I hope it
stays that way :)
Sunyata
Thamks!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "" |
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25 Aug 2006 06:39:46 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:05:53 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <db9se2pm3eobc4ehd99udu0kg75f61bp4n@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:27:46 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1b3qe2d72nndcsdpst7n5j42jal59676aj@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
So far no adverse effects, but one never knows.
Good. At least, with absence of self administered smog with a payload
of so many things that counter health, your odds are better. I hope it
stays that way :)
Sunyata
Thamks!
:)
Sunyata
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
25 Aug 2006 10:48:49 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:22:34 -0400, wrote in
alt.atheism
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
The lagging, insulation, and floor tiles in the old navy ships and in
myraid buildings was asbestos. Guess what I was breathing for four
years?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
25 Aug 2006 06:48:24 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:48:49 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:22:34 -0400, wrote in
alt.atheism
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
The lagging, insulation, and floor tiles in the old navy ships and in
myraid buildings was asbestos. Guess what I was breathing for four
years?
Anything like the white, powdery plaster like stuff I used to peel off
the elbows of radiator pipes in the basement of an 80 yr old house to
run speaker wires from room to room?
When I quit tobacco my lungs cleared right up despite still smoking
pot. And to smoke pot, one inhales the ***** out of it and hold it as
long as you can. Smog is rougher.
Sunyata
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
26 Aug 2006 08:24:51 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:48:24 -0400, wrote in
alt.atheism
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:48:49 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:22:34 -0400, wrote in
alt.atheism
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:39:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1156287393.583793.163310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I know. I used to smoke Kents, up to two packs a day until I quit 32
years ago. The problem is that the asbestos stays with you. It's like
the 'gift' that keeps on giving.
Damn.
The lagging, insulation, and floor tiles in the old navy ships and in
myraid buildings was asbestos. Guess what I was breathing for four
years?
Anything like the white, powdery plaster like stuff I used to peel off
the elbows of radiator pipes in the basement of an 80 yr old house to
run speaker wires from room to room?
Why yes, it would be.
When I quit tobacco my lungs cleared right up despite still smoking
pot. And to smoke pot, one inhales the ***** out of it and hold it as
long as you can. Smog is rougher.
Then there's the five elevated heavy metals from my USAF time.
Unfortunately, it's not the Don Henley type of heavy metal.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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23 Aug 2006 09:22:11 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2006 15:56:33 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I'll be damned.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Sunyata
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25 Aug 2006 10:49:34 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:22:11 -0400, wrote in
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On 22 Aug 2006 15:56:33 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I'll be damned.
No, you won't.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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25 Aug 2006 06:50:16 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:49:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:22:11 -0400, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 22 Aug 2006 15:56:33 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
I'll be damned.
No, you won't.
Phew :)
Sunyata
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25 Aug 2006 10:47:26 AM |
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On 22 Aug 2006 15:56:33 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters,
"Micronite" filters were made with asbestos.
That I didn't know. :eek: Then myraid more folks can wait for the
lovely asbestos to 'bloom.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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20 Aug 2006 11:55:40 PM |
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In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation, being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Sunyata
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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21 Aug 2006 06:28:04 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation, being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
Sunyata
Sunyata
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21 Aug 2006 11:42:10 PM |
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In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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22 Aug 2006 05:45:33 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:42:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_ruling
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar" and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
I'm with you too, brother. And I'm getting active in our union, which
is against the dilution of our service by taking money out of labor,
tools, material, and hiring cheap workers to do our work, breaking
promise after promise. The company lies, saying that overtime went to
service when it really went to another group currently using cheap
labor unconstrained by the limitations we suddenly realize have been
imposed on us. (lower standards, like they're doing to firemen in NYC)
They're building their future kingdom the Wal-Mart way: everything's
cheap with almost no Americans and with virtually no American made
merchandise.
Around here, the 203 area code of CT, downtowns don't feel like
America anymore.
Sunyata
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23 Aug 2006 12:07:19 AM |
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In article <f1vme2ttk3sop1d2a2b8rffdr27n306krk@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:42:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the
dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly
denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_rul
ing
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed
documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies
with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar"
and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of
TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
I'm with you too, brother. And I'm getting active in our union, which
is against the dilution of our service by taking money out of labor,
tools, material, and hiring cheap workers to do our work, breaking
promise after promise. The company lies, saying that overtime went to
service when it really went to another group currently using cheap
labor unconstrained by the limitations we suddenly realize have been
imposed on us. (lower standards, like they're doing to firemen in NYC)
They're building their future kingdom the Wal-Mart way: everything's
cheap with almost no Americans and with virtually no American made
merchandise.
That's part of the problem too. American workers must compete with
overseas sweatshop labor and even prison labor in places like China.
Beginning with Reagan and PATCO in 1981, the government has waged
constant war against organized labor. If Conservatives and Big Business
get their way, we are headed back to the sweatshop days and 80 hour work
weeks as in the era of the 'Robber Barons'.
Around here, the 203 area code of CT, downtowns don't feel like
America anymore.
The basis of Free Enterprise is competition. The Wal-Marts, et al. have
destroyed it.
Sunyata
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
23 Aug 2006 09:25:53 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:07:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <f1vme2ttk3sop1d2a2b8rffdr27n306krk@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:42:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the
dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death. Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly
denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades," she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_rul
ing
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed
documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies
with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar"
and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series of
TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
I'm with you too, brother. And I'm getting active in our union, which
is against the dilution of our service by taking money out of labor,
tools, material, and hiring cheap workers to do our work, breaking
promise after promise. The company lies, saying that overtime went to
service when it really went to another group currently using cheap
labor unconstrained by the limitations we suddenly realize have been
imposed on us. (lower standards, like they're doing to firemen in NYC)
They're building their future kingdom the Wal-Mart way: everything's
cheap with almost no Americans and with virtually no American made
merchandise.
That's part of the problem too. American workers must compete with
overseas sweatshop labor and even prison labor in places like China.
Beginning with Reagan and PATCO in 1981, the government has waged
constant war against organized labor. If Conservatives and Big Business
get their way, we are headed back to the sweatshop days and 80 hour work
weeks as in the era of the 'Robber Barons'.
Precisely. We must get that changed. You and me.
Anyone else? We need you to help us purge this ***** out of America!!
***** Yeah !! Let's roll!!. And mean it, and kick *****.
Around here, the 203 area code of CT, downtowns don't feel like
America anymore.
The basis of Free Enterprise is competition. The Wal-Marts, et al. have
destroyed it.
Sunyata
Sunyata
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
24 Aug 2006 12:34:56 AM |
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In article <ac3qe2hmegsrg2l01j82um8r6i1m1r1fpn@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:07:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <f1vme2ttk3sop1d2a2b8rffdr27n306krk@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:42:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be
further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial
penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the
dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of
tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as
the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death.
Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly
denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades,"
she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_
rul
ing
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed
documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but
an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies
with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies
to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects
and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar"
and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't
even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have
cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of
irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in
the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series
of
TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured
of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they
SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super
macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
I'm with you too, brother. And I'm getting active in our union, which
is against the dilution of our service by taking money out of labor,
tools, material, and hiring cheap workers to do our work, breaking
promise after promise. The company lies, saying that overtime went to
service when it really went to another group currently using cheap
labor unconstrained by the limitations we suddenly realize have been
imposed on us. (lower standards, like they're doing to firemen in NYC)
They're building their future kingdom the Wal-Mart way: everything's
cheap with almost no Americans and with virtually no American made
merchandise.
That's part of the problem too. American workers must compete with
overseas sweatshop labor and even prison labor in places like China.
Beginning with Reagan and PATCO in 1981, the government has waged
constant war against organized labor. If Conservatives and Big Business
get their way, we are headed back to the sweatshop days and 80 hour work
weeks as in the era of the 'Robber Barons'.
Precisely. We must get that changed. You and me.
Anyone else? We need you to help us purge this ***** out of America!!
***** Yeah !! Let's roll!!. And mean it, and kick *****.
I'm going volunteer to help out the local Democratic Congressional
candidate this election we'll see what happens. Since I retired
recently, I don't have all that much money, but I have a lot of time.
I'll support other worthwhile candidates to the extent that I can.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules |
24 Aug 2006 05:23:18 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:34:56 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ac3qe2hmegsrg2l01j82um8r6i1m1r1fpn@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:07:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <f1vme2ttk3sop1d2a2b8rffdr27n306krk@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:42:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <umfke2h50c6db56cqvvha9m8e1s8pqqcod@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:55:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <5gohe2d5r29p3vkngonua293ioklta0tlv@4ax.com>,
Sunyata@wastherain.net wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:30:27 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <WVwFg.16359$o27.6204@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <ua1ae29qj0ns8n7b53grgb83irunap48ag@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14395333/wid/11915773?GT1=8404
Big Tobacco lied but need not pay, judge rules
Industry must make 'corrective statements' but cannot be
further
penalized
Updated: 8:02 p.m. ET Aug. 17, 2006
WASHINGTON - Cigarette makers escaped major financial
penalties
Thursday, even though a federal judge found them liable for
violating
racketeering laws in a decades-long conspiracy to hide the
dangers
of
smoking.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled that a group of
tobacco
companies had broken the law, but could not be forced to pay
monetary
penalties such as funding a large anti-smoking campaign, as
the
government had sought.
"Cigarette smoking causes disease, suffering, and death.
Despite
internal recognition of this fact, defendants have publicly
denied,
distorted, and minimized the hazards of smoking for decades,"
she
said in the 1,653-page opinion.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/060817_tobacco_
rul
ing
.pd
f
Kessler said the companies suppressed research, destroyed
documents
and manipulated nicotine levels to perpetuate addiction, but
an
appeals court ruling prevented her from slapping the companies
with
costly remedies.
She did impose some remedies, including ordering the companies
to
make "corrective" public statements about the health effects
and
addictiveness of smoking, and banning them from describing
cigarettes in ways that convey health claims such as "low tar"
and
"light."
That's nice. Thousands maybe a million deaths, and they don't
even
get a slap on the wrist.
I listen to old time radio shows and they frequently have
cigarette
commercials in them. Most talk about smoothness, lack of
irratation,
being
more healthy, etc.
I always suspected that even in the 40's and 50's they knew.
They did.
Hitler's scientists in the 30's did tons of research and made the
connections.
I recall a famous Reader's Digest article that laid it all out in
the
'50s. One response of the cigarette companies was to run a series
of
TV
ads with some guy in a white coat saying "Four out of five doctors
recommend Brand X coffin nails."
Then came menthol, recessed filters, charcoal filters, perforated
filters, micronite (whatever that is) filters, cured tobacco (cured
of
what) cultivated in all sorts of superior ways, processed in even
better ways, smooth, so round, so evenly packed and and firm. Oh,
yeah!!! It cannot be bad for me, and the warning on the pack is
***** or they'd print it legibly and put it where I can read it
while holding the pack (the thumb hides it) to extract yet another
cigarette, void of any warnings on *it. I remember the TV ads: Come
up, Come all the way up, to Kool cigarettes! At a mountain top with
pristine air and a perfectly flawless water fountain, implying
absolute goodness of nature. They never lit up to show the smoke
fouling up nature. Maybe if smokers *did climb a mountain to drink
pure water each time they lit up, they'd be OK. But why don't they
SAY
that!
If they didn't get winded first. And of course there was the super
macho
Marboro Man, implying that 'real men' smoke.
And they say there was no deceit. PHHHHHHLLLLAAASBBBBBubbles of beer
sloppy on the CRT.
It was blatant.
Still is and it won't stop until we the people somehow wrest America
from the corporations who we all owe money to and who are currently
running the USA disguised as pious, religious leaders bent on killing
the religious fanatics that hate America. Kill and get paid for it,
and enrich the friendly arms dealers. What could be better than that?
You're preachin' to the choir here, brother. I'm with you. These people
have been getting away with too much for too long. Time to rein them in.
For starters I'd remove corporate money from politics by publicly
financed elections and restricting the activities of lobbyists.
I'm with you too, brother. And I'm getting active in our union, which
is against the dilution of our service by taking money out of labor,
tools, material, and hiring cheap workers to do our work, breaking
promise after promise. The company lies, saying that overtime went to
service when it really went to another group currently using cheap
labor unconstrained by the limitations we suddenly realize have been
imposed on us. (lower standards, like they're doing to firemen in NYC)
They're building their future kingdom the Wal-Mart way: everything's
cheap with almost no Americans and with virtually no American made
merchandise.
That's part of the problem too. American workers must compete with
overseas sweatshop labor and even prison labor in places like China.
Beginning with Reagan and PATCO in 1981, the government has waged
constant war against organized labor. If Conservatives and Big Business
get their way, we are headed back to the sweatshop days and 80 hour work
weeks as in the era of the 'Robber Barons'.
Precisely. We must get that changed. You and me.
Anyone else? We need you to help us purge this ***** out of America!!
***** Yeah !! Let's roll!!. And mean it, and kick *****.
I'm going volunteer to help out the local Democratic Congressional
candidate this election we'll see wh | | | | | | | | | | | | |
