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Bikini Vs. Burka: The Debauchery Of American Womanhood |
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
September 18, 2002
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing
nothing but a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally
exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of
so-called "civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing
Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs
of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of
the values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic
sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are
born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the
spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children,
providing refuge and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically
naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself.
In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no
one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is
auctioning herself all of the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal.
(As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than
to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males
know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a
part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to
love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship
between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice.
Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and
prey. It is based on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in
"oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The
result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her
shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO:
undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and
personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world,"
women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race.
They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex
for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian
women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied
that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise
"see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for
sexuality in America?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when
we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates:
creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us
to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for
marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and
self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain
lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity,
in a state of perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex
appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent,"
she is not likely to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making
marriage and family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched
American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined
millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband
and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies
somewhere in the middle.
Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author
of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English
Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback
and ideas at henry@savethemales.ca.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Bikini Vs. Burka: The Debauchery Of American Womanhood |
02 Apr 2006 03:21:35 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
Yep, you sound just like all the other self-righteous
crazymotherfuckers.....
They started it. Just like the Japs did in 1941. You will notice what
happened to two rather large Japanese cities as a direct result of their
attack on Pearl Harbor. They sowed the wind in 1941 and the reaped the
whirlwind in 1945. Pissing Americans off is a very dangerous thing to
do. When we are ripping angry mad we are not nice.
Bob Koler
Like I said... another crazymotherfucker.......
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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01 Apr 2006 09:47:12 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
brique wrote:
Get's kinda easy, don't it.... when you measure the dead in millions. I
guess its even easier if you feel those deaths are 'righteous', all in a
good cause and all for the best.
So, Bob, how do you differ from the man who sent suicide bombers into the
WTC?
They started it. We will finish it. Those who sow the wind, will reap
the whirlwind.
Bob Kolker
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started before he was
born. There has
never been a time when the West didn't interfer with the political
affairs of independent
arab states. Did you forget Lebanon? Did you forget Iraq? Did you
forget sending bombs
and money to Israel to kill arabs with? Face it pal, you guys started
it.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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03 Apr 2006 03:30:55 PM |
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On 1 Apr 2006 19:47:12 -0800, "Michael Price"
<nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started
before he was born. There has never been a time when
the West didn't interfer with the political affairs of
independent arab states.
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
Similarly, you will notice that the Palestinians have
entirely genuine complaints about Jews stealing their
land and so forth, but it is apparent that no concession
that involves the continuing existence of Jews anywhere
in the world is likely to satisfy them.
--digsig
James A. Donald
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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04 Apr 2006 06:35:33 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true. Certainly, in his wildest
dreams, I'm sure bin Laden would like that to happen, but I think he's
more of a realist than that. He, like most terrorists, simply want to
be left alone. They want the West to keep our noses out of their
business. Stop intruding on their affairs and the terrorism will
likely dramatically decrease.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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04 Apr 2006 08:17:55 PM |
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James A. Donald
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime,
but it ends with a demand that the West and the
entire world submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will
not stop his terrorism till every woman wears the
Burka, and all non muslims are reduced to Dhimmi
status.
Brian Henderson
I don't know that that's necessarily true. Certainly,
in his wildest dreams, I'm sure bin Laden would like
that to happen, but I think he's more of a realist
than that.
Recently a group associated with Al Qaeda murdered two
hundred Australians, in revenge for Australia ending
Muslim rule over largely non muslim East Timor. That is
a long way from Saudi Arabia. Islam has bloody borders.
There is a genocide under way right now in Sudan.
Paris was burning a short while ago, and will be burning
soon again.
Further, I don't see his dreams as particularly wild.
They have been largely successful in imposing the rule
world wide that there be no depictions of the prophet.
A few places have introduced a "no defaming Islam" law,
which in practice is applied against Christian
evangelists who go after Muslims. These are
substantial first steps towards imposing Sharia world
wide.
Arguably Mecca converted to Islam because Mohammed's
terror attacks on caravans were interfering with trade.
Islam has successfully practiced violent evangelism
throughout its entire history, and is continuing to do
so successfully right now. Conversion to Islam is
strongly encouraged by the genocide under way in the
Sudan right now.
--digsig
James A. Donald
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| User: "brique" |
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04 Apr 2006 11:02:35 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime,
but it ends with a demand that the West and the
entire world submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will
not stop his terrorism till every woman wears the
Burka, and all non muslims are reduced to Dhimmi
status.
Brian Henderson
I don't know that that's necessarily true. Certainly,
in his wildest dreams, I'm sure bin Laden would like
that to happen, but I think he's more of a realist
than that.
Recently a group associated with Al Qaeda murdered two
hundred Australians, in revenge for Australia ending
Muslim rule over largely non muslim East Timor. That is
a long way from Saudi Arabia. Islam has bloody borders.
There is a genocide under way right now in Sudan.
Paris was burning a short while ago, and will be burning
soon again.
Further, I don't see his dreams as particularly wild.
They have been largely successful in imposing the rule
world wide that there be no depictions of the prophet.
A few places have introduced a "no defaming Islam" law,
which in practice is applied against Christian
evangelists who go after Muslims. These are
substantial first steps towards imposing Sharia world
wide.
Arguably Mecca converted to Islam because Mohammed's
terror attacks on caravans were interfering with trade.
Islam has successfully practiced violent evangelism
throughout its entire history, and is continuing to do
so successfully right now. Conversion to Islam is
strongly encouraged by the genocide under way in the
Sudan right now.
Which is all very horrifying...except they still run second to the original
exponents of militant evangelicalism..... the christians. You could say they
are just doing the same, but in arabic, not Latin.....
--digsig
James A. Donald
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QC4oN0svT7Nukza/q/dc4pVPMDa3e+2FElP+1Vqt
4V+ZiKLDmNHItb2dhTAjtQSueGZtF9XZdR32YvSom
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Apr 2006 07:04:12 PM |
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic, to his
own followers.
Certainly, in his wildest
dreams, I'm sure bin Laden would like that to happen, but I think he's
more of a realist than that. He, like most terrorists, simply want to
be left alone. They want the West to keep our noses out of their
business. Stop intruding on their affairs and the terrorism will
likely dramatically decrease.
Here, this is written just for you:
http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message.htm
--
Fred Stone
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| User: "brique" |
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04 Apr 2006 11:00:41 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic, to his
own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to all the
heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc... should we take them
seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is no better or worse than
them...
Certainly, in his wildest
dreams, I'm sure bin Laden would like that to happen, but I think he's
more of a realist than that. He, like most terrorists, simply want to
be left alone. They want the West to keep our noses out of their
business. Stop intruding on their affairs and the terrorism will
likely dramatically decrease.
Here, this is written just for you:
http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message.htm
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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05 Apr 2006 06:54:03 AM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144209766.25317.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic, to
his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to
all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc... should
we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is no better
or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can bet
your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin Laden's desire
for the world to submit ("Islam" means "submission") to Sharia law
(meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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| User: "brique" |
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05 Apr 2006 10:52:57 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144209766.25317.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979BD6158B4Efstone69@66.150.105.47...
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic, to
his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to
all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc... should
we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is no better
or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can bet
your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin Laden's desire
for the world to submit ("Islam" means "submission") to Sharia law
(meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned to
perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as expressed
in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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05 Apr 2006 12:08:20 PM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144252502.26536.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979C5071B9AC0fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144209766.25317.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979BD6158B4Efstone69@66.150.105.47...
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic,
to his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to
all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc...
should we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is
no better or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can
bet your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin Laden's
desire for the world to submit ("Islam" means "submission") to Sharia
law (meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned to
perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Which is not enforced in any Christian jurisdiction in any Western
country.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to
perdition. Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by
stoning.
Which is enforced in every Sharia jurisdiction in every Muslim country.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
Correct, no moral equivalence at all.
Where did you get your nym, brique? From the contents of your head?
You're even dumber than you think I am.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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| User: "brique" |
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06 Apr 2006 12:05:40 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144252502.26536.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144209766.25317.0@echo.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979BD6158B4Efstone69@66.150.105.47...
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic,
to his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to
all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc...
should we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is
no better or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can
bet your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin Laden's
desire for the world to submit ("Islam" means "submission") to Sharia
law (meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned to
perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Which is not enforced in any Christian jurisdiction in any Western
country.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to
perdition. Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by
stoning.
Which is enforced in every Sharia jurisdiction in every Muslim country.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
Correct, no moral equivalence at all.
Where did you get your nym, brique? From the contents of your head?
You're even dumber than you think I am.
At least I can understand what folk write.... we were talking about 'moral
equivalence'.. not whether those morals have held sway then, now or may in
the future.
As it happens, christian morality had a pretty good run of influence
worldwide and still does. There are some crazymotherfuckers in, mainly, the
USA who feel it should exercise far more moral influence and some even
craziermotherfuckers who feel it should be the only moral influence allowed.
Muslim crazymotherfuckers are little different to christian
crazymotherfuckers, some are more crazy than others but they are all crazy
in the same way, they think their crazymotherfucker God wants then to go out
and kill off any crazymotherfuckers with a different crazy ***** God.
There is your moral equivalence, Fred. an arrogant incurable delusion that
their God told them to do it and, what's more, only the mad or bad would
think it wrong to have done so.
As for your little joke.... not very original... and rather careless from a
man called 'stone'....
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Master of Orion 3 lives!
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in
Arabic, to his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord
to all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb,
etc... should we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin
laden is no better or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can
bet your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin
Laden's desire for the world to submit ("Islam" means
"submission") to Sharia law (meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord,
as expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned
to perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Which is not enforced in any Christian jurisdiction in any Western
country.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to
perdition. Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished
by stoning.
Which is enforced in every Sharia jurisdiction in every Muslim
country.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
Correct, no moral equivalence at all.
Where did you get your nym, brique? From the contents of your head?
You're even dumber than you think I am.
At least I can understand what folk write.... we were talking about
'moral equivalence'.. not whether those morals have held sway then,
now or may in the future.
Well duh, brickhead, whether they hold sway makes a big difference in
the real world. I'm not interested in vapid theories.
As it happens, christian morality had a pretty good run of influence
worldwide and still does.
Yes, indeed it does, and as it is practiced *today* it is considerably
moderated from the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone that you quoted.
There are some crazymotherfuckers in,
mainly, the USA who feel it should exercise far more moral influence
and some even craziermotherfuckers who feel it should be the only
moral influence allowed. Muslim crazymotherfuckers are little
different to christian crazymotherfuckers, some are more crazy than
others but they are all crazy in the same way, they think their
crazymotherfucker God wants then to go out and kill off any
crazymotherfuckers with a different crazy ***** God. There is
your moral equivalence, Fred. an arrogant incurable delusion that
their God told them to do it and, what's more, only the mad or bad
would think it wrong to have done so.
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as opposed to
the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own societies.
You don't seem to be capable of distinguishing between those cases. Is
that the result of your vapid theorizing?
As for your little joke.... not very original... and rather careless
from a man called 'stone'....
At least it's my right name.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in
Arabic, to his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord
to all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb,
etc... should we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin
laden is no better or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can
bet your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin
Laden's desire for the world to submit ("Islam" means
"submission") to Sharia law (meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord,
as expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned
to perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Which is not enforced in any Christian jurisdiction in any Western
country.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to
perdition. Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished
by stoning.
Which is enforced in every Sharia jurisdiction in every Muslim
country.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
Correct, no moral equivalence at all.
Where did you get your nym, brique? From the contents of your head?
You're even dumber than you think I am.
At least I can understand what folk write.... we were talking about
'moral equivalence'.. not whether those morals have held sway then,
now or may in the future.
Well duh, brickhead, whether they hold sway makes a big difference in
the real world. I'm not interested in vapid theories.
As it happens, christian morality had a pretty good run of influence
worldwide and still does.
Yes, indeed it does, and as it is practiced *today* it is considerably
moderated from the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone that you quoted.
There are some crazymotherfuckers in,
mainly, the USA who feel it should exercise far more moral influence
and some even craziermotherfuckers who feel it should be the only
moral influence allowed. Muslim crazymotherfuckers are little
different to christian crazymotherfuckers, some are more crazy than
others but they are all crazy in the same way, they think their
crazymotherfucker God wants then to go out and kill off any
crazymotherfuckers with a different crazy ***** God. There is
your moral equivalence, Fred. an arrogant incurable delusion that
their God told them to do it and, what's more, only the mad or bad
would think it wrong to have done so.
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as opposed to
the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the christians,
just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think they are the sane
one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the wrong gods who are mad.
You don't seem to be capable of distinguishing between those cases. Is
that the result of your vapid theorizing?
As for your little joke.... not very original... and rather careless
from a man called 'stone'....
At least it's my right name.
And what makes you think 'Brique' is not my 'right' name?
--
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Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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<...>
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as opposed
to the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the
christians, just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think they
are the sane one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the wrong
gods who are mad.
I was talking about what the mainstreamers say about themselves.
<...>
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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<...>
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as opposed
to the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the
christians, just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think they
are the sane one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the wrong
gods who are mad.
I was talking about what the mainstreamers say about themselves.
Fred, the crazymotheruckers all think they _are_ the mainstreamers.......
<...>
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08 Apr 2006 07:51:55 AM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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<...>
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as
opposed to the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own
societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the
christians, just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think
they are the sane one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the
wrong gods who are mad.
I was talking about what the mainstreamers say about themselves.
Fred, the crazymotheruckers all think they _are_ the
mainstreamers.......
Brique, the muslim mainstreamers *agree* with their crazymutherfuckers.
That's the whole fucking *point* here. Why are you so fucking desperate
to dodge it?
--
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Master of Orion 3 lives!
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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<...>
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as
opposed to the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own
societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the
christians, just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think
they are the sane one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the
wrong gods who are mad.
I was talking about what the mainstreamers say about themselves.
Fred, the crazymotheruckers all think they _are_ the
mainstreamers.......
Brique, the muslim mainstreamers *agree* with their crazymutherfuckers.
That's the whole fucking *point* here. Why are you so fucking desperate
to dodge it?
But do they, any more than any average 'christian' abides by the tenets of
their faith?
You assume the craziest muslim ***** is representative of all Muslims
but seemingly deny the craziest christian motherfuckers are representative
of christianity.
It's plain old religious insanity operating in both cases, some have the
disease heavier than others but the end result is much the same, join us or
die, be one of us or suffer, etc...etc...
Trying to decide the graduations in this insanity is like counting angels
dancing on pin heads, meaningless make-work for theologians.
But as long as it is a political necessity for some in the USA to represent
_all_ Muslim as being Primo Craziest Crazymutherfuckers then the christian
crazymotherfuckers will happily go along with the ride agreeing how crazy
the muslim crazymotherfuckers really are.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:31:44 +0100, brique wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144426757.47759.0@despina.uk.clara.net:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
news:1144300067.89510.0@despina.uk.clara.net:
<...>
Those muslim crazymotherfuckers *are* mainstream muslims, as
opposed to the christian cmfs who are marginalized by their own
societies.
And the muslim crazymotherfuckers say exactly the same about the
christians, just accept it, Fred, crazymotherfuckers always think
they are the sane one's, its the other crazymotherfuckers with the
wrong gods who are mad.
I was talking about what the mainstreamers say about themselves.
Fred, the crazymotheruckers all think they _are_ the
mainstreamers.......
Brique, the muslim mainstreamers *agree* with their crazymutherfuckers.
That's the whole fucking *point* here. Why are you so fucking desperate
to dodge it?
But do they, any more than any average 'christian' abides by the tenets of
their faith?
You assume the craziest muslim ***** is representative of all Muslims
but seemingly deny the craziest christian motherfuckers are representative
of christianity.
Well, by definition, all are crazymotherfuckers. The distinction is but
one of degree, not kind.
It's plain old religious insanity operating in both cases, some have the
disease heavier than others but the end result is much the same, join us or
die, be one of us or suffer, etc...etc...
Right, they're all crazymotherfuckers. All Muslims, Christians, Jews, all
who believe in boogeymen, the tooth fairy, god, jesus, mohammad, (the
latter two as deities), la chupacabra, easter bunny, etc.
Trying to decide the graduations in this insanity is like counting angels
dancing on pin heads, meaningless make-work for theologians.
Which is why it's best to include all in the set "crazymotherfuckers" and
ignore their ***** to the best of our ability.
But as long as it is a political necessity for some in the USA to represent
_all_ Muslim as being Primo Craziest Crazymutherfuckers then the christian
crazymotherfuckers will happily go along with the ride agreeing how crazy
the muslim crazymotherfuckers really are.
Heh, much like the Democrats and Republicans hurling invective at each
other.
-- Regards, Curly
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:05:40 +0100, brique wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:7uv5321vnd2b5ag0gvarkq9q8gvl4dkj7l@4ax.com:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
I don't know that that's necessarily true.
That's what he has said he wants, in his own writings, in Arabic,
to his own followers.
So, all those evangelicals training to take the Word of the Lord to
all the heathens and wash them in The Blood of The Lamb, etc...
should we take them seriously too? In which case, old Bin laden is
no better or worse than them...
The christian desire to take the word to all the heathens, you can
bet your last dollar on that part. And I don't think that bin Laden's
desire for the world to submit ("Islam" means "submission") to Sharia
law (meaning to *HIM*) is mere symbolism.
Your feeble attempt at moral equivalence duly noted and rejected.
Christians are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Bible, doubt is not an option.
Christian martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-christians are damned to
perdition.
Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by stoning.
Which is not enforced in any Christian jurisdiction in any Western
country.
Muslims are required to submit to the literal word of the Lord, as
expressed in the Koran., doubt is not an option.
Muslim martyrs go straight to heaven. Non-muslims are damned to
perdition. Homosexuals are un-natural. Adultery should be punished by
stoning.
Which is enforced in every Sharia jurisdiction in every Muslim country.
Right, no moral equivalence there then......
Correct, no moral equivalence at all.
Where did you get your nym, brique? From the contents of your head?
You're even dumber than you think I am.
At least I can understand what folk write.... we were talking about 'moral
equivalence'.. not whether those morals have held sway then, now or may in
the future.
As it happens, christian morality had a pretty good run of influence
worldwide and still does. There are some crazymotherfuckers in, mainly, the
USA who feel it should exercise far more moral influence and some even
craziermotherfuckers who feel it should be the only moral influence allowed.
Muslim crazymotherfuckers are little different to christian
crazymotherfuckers, some are more crazy than others but they are all crazy
in the same way, they think their crazymotherfucker God wants then to go out
and kill off any crazymotherfuckers with a different crazy ***** God.
There is your moral equivalence, Fred. an arrogant incurable delusion that
their God told them to do it and, what's more, only the mad or bad would
think it wrong to have done so.
Finally, somebody gets it.
-- Regards, Curly
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:55 +1000, James A. Donald wrote:
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On 1 Apr 2006 19:47:12 -0800, "Michael Price"
<nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started
before he was born. There has never been a time when
the West didn't interfer with the political affairs of
independent arab states.
Bin Laden's list of complaints starts with the west
propping up the corrupt and oppressive Saudi regime, but
it ends with a demand that the West and the entire world
submit to Sharia law. Bin Laden will not stop his
terrorism till every woman wears the Burka, and all non
muslims are reduced to Dhimmi status.
Which begets the question, "Why are we expending billions of dollars and
140,000 troops in Iraq when bin laden is still at large?
Similarly, you will notice that the Palestinians have
entirely genuine complaints about Jews stealing their
land and so forth, but it is apparent that no concession
that involves the continuing existence of Jews anywhere
in the world is likely to satisfy them.
"stealing"? Strange phrasing, aren't you one of those who denied that the
U.S. stole land from Mexico?
In Israel's case they were justified in 1967. Today's actions are less
justifiable but there is a reason other than expansion. Moslems must
cease calling for the extermination of Jews and Israel before buffer zones
can be returned.
-- Regards, Curly
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06 Apr 2006 06:07:36 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
Similarly, you will notice that the Palestinians
have entirely genuine complaints about Jews stealing
their land and so forth, but it is apparent that no
concession that involves the continuing existence of
Jews anywhere in the world is likely to satisfy
them.
Curly Surmudgeon
"stealing"? Strange phrasing, aren't you one of those
who denied that the U.S. stole land from Mexico?
The US and Mexico have no real existence. Individual
Jews and groups of Jews are today stealing land from
individual Palestinians and groups of Palestinians.
Individual gringos did not (for the most part) steal
land from individual Mexicans when the US government
moved the border.
There would be nothing wrong with Israel conquering all
the land between the Nile and the Euphrates, and killing
the entire leadership of those regimes, if Israeli land
use was based on individual property rights rather than
collective property rights. Trouble is that Israel and
Israeli Jews tend to construe land as "unowned" or
"government owned", even when it has been subdivided for
several thousand years.
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James A. Donald
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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06 Apr 2006 07:59:03 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:07:36 -0700, jamesd wrote:
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James A. Donald wrote:
Similarly, you will notice that the Palestinians
have entirely genuine complaints about Jews stealing
their land and so forth, but it is apparent that no
concession that involves the continuing existence of
Jews anywhere in the world is likely to satisfy
them.
Curly Surmudgeon
"stealing"? Strange phrasing, aren't you one of those
who denied that the U.S. stole land from Mexico?
The US and Mexico have no real existence. Individual
Jews and groups of Jews are today stealing land from
individual Palestinians and groups of Palestinians.
Individual gringos did not (for the most part) steal
land from individual Mexicans when the US government
moved the border.
There would be nothing wrong with Israel conquering all
the land between the Nile and the Euphrates, and killing
the entire leadership of those regimes, if Israeli land
use was based on individual property rights rather than
collective property rights. Trouble is that Israel and
Israeli Jews tend to construe land as "unowned" or
"government owned", even when it has been subdivided for
several thousand years.
At least you're consistant.
First ignoring and rejecting Israel's prior ownership then ignore and
reject Mexico's prior ownership are two arbitrary and unsupportable
conclusions. Even if illogical you're at least consistant.
-- Regards, Curly
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02 Apr 2006 08:15:27 AM |
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Michael Price wrote:
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started before he was
born. There has
never been a time when the West didn't interfer with the political
affairs of independent
arab states. Did you forget Lebanon? Did you forget Iraq? Did you
forget sending bombs
and money to Israel to kill arabs with? Face it pal, you guys started
it.
It started back with the Crusades. Israel has nothing to do with it.
Bob Kolker
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02 Apr 2006 03:32:38 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:49a15cFncf7fU2@individual.net...
Michael Price wrote:
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started before he was
born. There has
never been a time when the West didn't interfer with the political
affairs of independent
arab states. Did you forget Lebanon? Did you forget Iraq? Did you
forget sending bombs
and money to Israel to kill arabs with? Face it pal, you guys started
it.
It started back with the Crusades. Israel has nothing to do with it.
Bob Kolker
Well, you are such a ***** hot historian, Bob.. and just what were the
Crusaders doing back then? How's it go again.. about forgetign history and
beign condemned to repeat it, first time as tragedy, second time as farce.
And be realistic, the mightiest military power ever known and it cant deal
with a bunch of half-trained zealots?
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02 Apr 2006 11:46:54 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Michael Price wrote:
Well no, Bin Laden didn't start it because it started before he was
born. There has
never been a time when the West didn't interfer with the political
affairs of independent
arab states. Did you forget Lebanon? Did you forget Iraq? Did you
forget sending bombs
and money to Israel to kill arabs with? Face it pal, you guys started
it.
It started back with the Crusades. Israel has nothing to do with it.
It started with jihad in 632 CE.
--
Just when did the children of Cthulhu take
over our government anyway?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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01 Apr 2006 01:27:43 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
brique wrote:
Get's kinda easy, don't it.... when you measure the dead in millions. I
guess its even easier if you feel those deaths are 'righteous', all in a
good cause and all for the best.
So, Bob, how do you differ from the man who sent suicide bombers into the
WTC?
They started it. We will finish it. Those who sow the wind, will reap
the whirlwind.
All of the 1.2 billion you want to kill started it? *All* of
them?
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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01 Apr 2006 09:53:58 PM |
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Dan Clore wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
brique wrote:
Get's kinda easy, don't it.... when you measure the dead in millions. I
guess its even easier if you feel those deaths are 'righteous', all in=
a
good cause and all for the best.
So, Bob, how do you differ from the man who sent suicide bombers into =
the
WTC?
They started it. We will finish it. Those who sow the wind, will reap
the whirlwind.
All of the 1.2 billion you want to kill started it? *All* of
them?
--
Dan Clore
Dan, don't you know Muslims are a hive mind intelligence?
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/1587154838/ref=3Dnosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord We=FFrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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02 Apr 2006 09:01:03 AM |
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Michael Price wrote:
Dan Clore wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
brique wrote:
Get's kinda easy, don't it.... when you measure the dead in millions. I
guess its even easier if you feel those deaths are 'righteous', all in a
good cause and all for the best.
So, Bob, how do you differ from the man who sent suicide bombers into the
WTC?
They started it. We will finish it. Those who sow the wind, will reap
the whirlwind.
All of the 1.2 billion you want to kill started it? *All* of
them?
Dan, don't you know Muslims are a hive mind intelligence?
Well, of course, but reliable scientific studies indicate
that each hive rarely includes more than a billion
individuals. So killing 1.2 billion will most likely include
a few innocents.
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Apr 2006 06:26:50 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:01:03 -0700, Dan Clore
<clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in alt.atheism
Michael Price wrote:
Dan Clore wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
brique wrote:
Get's kinda easy, don't it.... when you measure the dead in millions. I
guess its even easier if you feel those deaths are 'righteous', all in a
good cause and all for the best.
So, Bob, how do you differ from the man who sent suicide bombers into the
WTC?
They started it. We will finish it. Those who sow the wind, will reap
the whirlwind.
All of the 1.2 billion you want to kill started it? *All* of
them?
Dan, don't you know Muslims are a hive mind intelligence?
Well, of course, but reliable scientific studies indicate
that each hive rarely includes more than a billion
individuals. So killing 1.2 billion will most likely include
a few innocents.
"Collateral Damage" don't ya know.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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