Parsifal wrote:

J Young schrieb:

Who'd have thought that Russia would take the lead in exhibiting comm=

sense? God bless them!

I've always known it: J Young hates the USA. His model is now Putin's
Russia. Speaks volume...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6182804.stm

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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor

The Anti-Theist

Convicted by Earthquack

"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/11/24/014.html





State Duma deputies will consider a bill barring a wife from having an
abortion without her husband's consent.

"Above all, the bill is based on the concept of parental equality," i=

author, Alexander Krutov of the nationalist Rodina party, said Thursd=

"The decision to give birth to or murder a baby is an enormous one an=

should be made by the parents together," he said by telephone.

The bill would require a wife to obtain her husband's written consent=

presence of a doctor before having an abortion. A doctor who allows an
abortion without the written consent could face murder charges, Kruto=

The bill will have to clear the State Duma's Public Health Committee =

being sent to the floor of the Duma for discussion, a process that co=

take three weeks, Krutov said.

Women had more than 1.6 million abortions in 2005, roughly equal to t=

number of births, Health and Social Development Minister Mikhail Zura=

told the Duma in February.

The abortion rate, while still comparatively high, has declined over =

past decade. In 1993, it peaked at 235 per 100 live births. Around 46
million women worldwide have abortions each year, with the highest ra=

Romania, Cuba and Vietnam and the lowest rates in Belgium, the Nether=

and Germany












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Lord Calvert wrote:

J Young wrote:

Who'd have thought that Russia would take the lead in exhibiting
common sense? God bless them!

And thank you, sir, for finally acknowledging that you are, in fact,
an America-hating Communist. You love Russia so much, then go there
you frelling Red. Perhaps there you will find the type of totalitarian
utopia you desire since freedom scares you so much.

In case you hadn't noticed, communism is no longer the political system
in Russia. Th USSR hasn't been a political entity for over 20 years.

Do you yanks actually get any international news, apart from how well
your good ole boys are doing in Eye Rack?
R

raven1

J Young wrote:

Who'd have thought that Russia would take the lead in exhibiting common
sense? God bless them!

Who would have thought that your opinion on the topic would be not just
dead wrong, but morally repulsive, as usual?

The Bible recognizes

raven1

J Young wrote:

Who'd have thought that Russia would take the lead in exhibiting common
sense? God bless them!

Who would have thought that your opinion on the topic would be not just
dead wrong, but morally repulsive, as usual?

The Bible recognizes that women are the property of men and must always obey
their will, therefor a woman has no rights over her body. Anyone who refuses
to accept the fact is nothing more than a common animal because they are
defying the will of God.

Here are some passages from the Bible that prove it:

raven1

J Young wrote:

Who'd have thought that Russia would take the lead in exhibiting common
sense? God bless them!

Who would have thought that your opinion on the topic would be not just
dead wrong, but morally repulsive, as usual?

The Bible recognizes that women are the property of men and must always obey
their will, therefor a woman has no rights over her body. Anyone who refuses
to accept the fact is nothing more than a common animal because they are
defying the will of God.

Here are some passages from the Bible that prove it:

Genesis 1:27 to 3:24:
In the first creation story (Genesis 1:27) God is described as creating
man,
both male and female at the same time: "So God created man in his own
image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he
them." 2 This might be interpreted as implying equality between the two
genders.
But in the second creation story, (Genesis 2:7) God formed only a man:
"...the
LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his
nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Realizing that
he needed a helper (Genesis 2:18), God marched all of the animals past Adam
(Genesis 2:19-20) looking for a suitable animal. Finding none suitable, God
created Eve out of one of Adam's ribs. The term "helper" has historically
been interpreted as implying an inferior role for Eve, although some modern
interpreters believe that the word can mean a companion of equal status.
"...the Hebrew word translated "helper" is used twenty-one times in the Old
Testament: twenty of these cases refer to help from a superior." (3) In
Genesis 2:27, Adam later asserts his authority over Eve by naming her:
"...she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." In
ancient times, one was believed to have authority over a person or thing by
naming it.
Genesis 3:16: Adam's role is to be Eve's master. The King James Version
(KJV),
New International Version (NIV), and Revised Standard Version (RSV) use the
term "rule" to describe Adam's role over Eve: "...thy desire shall be to
thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." The Living Bible uses the term
"master". The Modern Language Bible uses "dominate". By implication, all of
their descendents are would have the same power imbalance between spouses.
A man could marry (literally "become the master of the woman") as often as
he
desired. In Genesis 4:19, Lamech became the first known polygamist when he
took two wives. Subsequent men who took multiple wives included: Esau with
3 wives; Jacob: 2; Ashur: 2; Gideon: many; Elkanah: 2; David: many;
Solomon: 700 wives of royal birth; Rehaboam: 3; Abijah: 14. Jehoram, Joash,
Ahab, Jeholachin and Belshazzar also had multiple wives.
Genesis 16:2 : Sarah gave permission to her husband Abraham to engage in
sexual
intercourse with her maid, Hagar: "Sarai said unto Abram...I pray thee, go
in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her." Presumably
this was done without the consent of Hagar, who had such a low status in
the society of the day that she was required to submit to multiple rapes at
her owner's command.
Genesis 19:8: The men of Sodom gathered around Lot's house, and asked that
he
bring his two guests out so that the men can "know" them. This is
frequently interpreted as a desire to gang rape the visitors, although
other interpretations are possible. Lot offers his two virgin daughters to
be raped instead: He is recorded as saying: "I have two daughters which
have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye
to them as is good in your eyes." Yet, even after this despicable act, Lot
is still regarded as an honorable man, worth saving from the destruction of
the city. Allowing one's daughters to be sexually assaulted by multiple
rapists appears to be treated as a minor transgression, because of the low
status of the young women.
Genesis 21:10: A man could simultaneously keep numerous concubines. These
were
sexual partners of an even lower status than a wife was. As implied in this
verse she could be dismissed when no longer needed: Sarah is recorded as
saying: "...Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this
bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac." Abraham had two
concubines; Gideon: at least 1; David: many; Nahor: 1; Jacob: 1; Eliphaz:
1; Gideon: 1; Caleb: 2; Manassah: 1; Saul: 1; David: at least 10; Rehoboam:
60; Solomon: 300; an unidentified Levite: 1; Belshazzar: more than 1.
In Exodus 1:15-16, the Pharaoh ordered the midwives to kill all Jewish
boys at
birth, because of the threat that they might pose to the kingdom. "And he
said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them
upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a
daughter, then she shall live." The girls, being considered less important,
were not seen as a threat; they were allowed to live.
Exodus 20 & 21: This is perhaps the most misogynistic pair of chapters in
the
Bible. A number of verses describe a woman as the property of her father.
At marriage, her ownership was transferred to her new husband:
Exodus 20:17 lists the last of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not covet
thy
neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his
manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his *****, nor any thing
that is thy neighbour's." It is important to realize that a manservent and
a maidservant were male and female slaves. They were not a hired butler and
maid. The tenth commandment forbids coveting your neighbor's house, wife,
male slave female slave, animals or anything else that the neighbor owns.
The wife is clearly regarded as equivalent to a piece of property.
Exodus 21:2-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve:
and in
the seventh he shall go out free for nothing....If his master have given
him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her
children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." A
slaveowner was permitted to give a woman to his male slave as a wife. There
is no indication that women were consulted during this type of transaction.
After serving six years, he would leave, but his wife and children would
remain slaves of the slaveowner. Again, there is no indication that the
woman was consulted on this arrangement,
Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she
shall not
go out as the menservants do." A father could sell his daughter as a slave.
Even though a male slave is automatically given his freedom after 6 years,
a female slave remained a slave forever.
Exodus 22:16-17: The first seventeen verses of Exodus 22 deal with
restitution
in case of stealing, or damage to, a person's property. Verses 16 and 17
deal with the case of a man who seduces a virgin. This was viewed as a
property offense against the woman's father. The woman was expected to
marry the seducer. If her father refused to transfer ownership of his
daughter to the seducer, the latter was required to required to pay money
to her father. The money would be in compensation for the damage to the
father's property - his daughter. It would be difficult for a non-virgin to
marry.
Exodus 21:22-25 describes a situation in which two men are fighting and
one
hits a pregnant woman. If the woman has a miscarriage because of the blow,
the man is punished as the husband decides and must pay a fine for their
act - not to the woman, but to her husband, presumably because he has been
deprived of a child. The woman had no involvement. Exodus 21:22: "...he
shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon
him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."
Exodus 23:17 states that only men are required to take part in the feasts
of
unleavened bread, of harvest and of ingathering: "Three times in the year
all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD."
Leviticus: This book deals mainly with the duties of the priesthood, the
Levites. Women were not allowed to become priests.
Leviticus 12:1-5 Quotes God as stating that a woman who has given birth to
a
boy is ritually unclean for 7 days. If the baby is a girl, the mother is
unclean for 14 days. "If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child:
then she shall be unclean seven days...But if she bear a maid child, then
she shall be unclean two weeks..." It would appear that the act of having a
baby is a highly polluting act. To give birth to a girl is twice as
polluting as is giving birth to a boy.
In Leviticus 18:20 adultery was defined as a man having sexual intercourse
with
his neighbor's wife. "Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy
neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her." Leviticus 20:10 "And the man
that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth
adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall
surely be put to death." Deuteronomy 22:23 extends this prohibition to a
man sleeping with a woman who is engaged to be married. If a man has an
affair with an unmarried woman, the act is not considered adultery. Married
men were free to visit prostitutes. A man who committed adultery did not
commit a wrongful act against his own wife, but rather against his male
neighbor.
Leviticus 27:6 A child aged 1 month to five years of age was worth 5
shekels if
a boy and 3 shekels if a girl. "And if it be from a month old even unto
five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of
silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of
silver."
Numbers 3:15 shows that a census counted only male infants over the age of
one
month, boys and men. "Number the children of Levi after the house of their
fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt
thou number them." Females were not considered worthy of being included.
Numbers 5:11-31 describes a lengthy magical ritual that women were forced
to
perform if their husbands suspected them of having had an affair. A priest
prepared a potion composed of holy water mixed with sweepings from the
floor of the tabernacle. He proclaimed a curse over the potion and required
the woman to drink it. If she were guilty, she would suffer greatly: her
abdomen would swell and her thighs waste away.

While I am not going to say that I agree with what Russia is doing, I
will say that there needs to be something put out there that does give
men and women equal priviledges and rights in regards to not wanting
the responsibility of having a child.