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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Jason Spaceman"
Date: 19 Jan 2005 07:18:17 PM
Object: Bill O'Reilly defends ID
In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze, had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.
His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado. Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been done.
Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment at:
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_belly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6
J. Spaceman
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User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 06:20:48 PM
"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote

You could just say that you don't get it.

Quite ironic, coming from someone who has to lie
about Michael Moore in order to pretend he has
a point.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:18:51 PM
Mike Sigman wrote:

"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csop17$oah$4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:eikvu0t598fc6g4poinu9r3unntst77rcg@4ax.com...

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:36:11 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
<mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote:

NEW YORK - Filmmaker Michael Moore's (search) bodyguard was

arrested for

carrying an unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday

night.

.

Burke is licensed to carry a firearm in Florida and California,

but not

in
New York. Burke was taken to Queens central booking and could
potentially
be charged with a felony for the incident.

Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine"

criticizes what

Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with

guns.


I would suspect that Michael Moore needs a bodyguard because of

the

sheer irrational hatred against him.


Ah.... I see. However, the point was about the gun and Moore's

need of

one
after all the mooing he did about Americans and guns.


Did he say bodyguards shouldn't carry guns? If so, you can

legitimately

call him a hypocrite... which has jack-all to do with Bill

O'Reilly's

honesty, let alone with his take on ID.


You could just say that you don't get it. It'd be easier.

Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in advance
that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?
--
Dave Fritzinger


Mike

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User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:33:50 PM
<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106245131.022709.63000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


[[snip so everyone doesn't have to scroll down]]


Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in advance
that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?

Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario. Moore hires a
bodyguard, but never mentions the word "gun" and assumes that the bodyguard
is just someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate, and kung fu.
Moore is astonished to find out that his bodyguard carries a gun. I like
it, Dave. Flesh it out a little bit and let's see if we can get it
published. ;^)
Mike
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 06:28:12 PM
"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote

Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario.
Moore hires a bodyguard, but never mentions the
word "gun" and assumes that the bodyguard is just
someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate,
and kung fu.

Lessee, now... let me understand if I get your scenario.
Moore is a gun owner that makes a film which concludes
that that American gun violence most definitely is not
caused by guns -- that another nation (Canada) has near
the same gun-ownership rates but suffers from significantly
less gun violence. For this and other unstartling films,
Michael Moores receives countless threat & hires a
body guard. Next thing that happens is that you suffer a
psychotic episode and decide that this makes Michael
Moore a hypocrite.
Wow, you really are fucked in the head...
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:42:18 PM
Mike Sigman wrote:

<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106245131.022709.63000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...



[[snip so everyone doesn't have to scroll down]]


Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in

advance

that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?



Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario. Moore

hires a

bodyguard, but never mentions the word "gun" and assumes that the

bodyguard

is just someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate, and kung

fu.

Moore is astonished to find out that his bodyguard carries a gun. I

like

it, Dave. Flesh it out a little bit and let's see if we can get it
published. ;^)

Mike

I take it your rhetoric means you don't know the answer to my question.
Which is as I thought.
A hint for you Mike. Bluster will only get you so far...
--
Dave Fritzinger
.
User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:52:34 PM
<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106246538.219620.166730@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Mike Sigman wrote:

<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106245131.022709.63000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...



[[snip so everyone doesn't have to scroll down]]


Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in

advance

that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?



Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario. Moore

hires a

bodyguard, but never mentions the word "gun" and assumes that the

bodyguard

is just someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate, and kung

fu.

Moore is astonished to find out that his bodyguard carries a gun. I

like

it, Dave. Flesh it out a little bit and let's see if we can get it
published. ;^)

Mike


I take it your rhetoric means you don't know the answer to my question.
Which is as I thought.

A hint for you Mike. Bluster will only get you so far...

Dave, if you want to make the specious argument that Michael Moore probably
didn't know that his bodyguard carried a gun, just make it and see if it
goes over in the real world. Don't say something bizarre like that and then
start commenting on "answer the question" and "bluster", and blah, blah,
blah. Just live with the fact that you were dumb enough to question whether
Michael Moore had any idea that his bodyguard carried a gun.
Mike
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 06:31:08 PM
"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote

Dave, if you want to make the specious argument
that Michael Moore

...is a hypocrite, because he once made a movie that
concluded that violence in America was not caused
by guns, just pretend that this means he pinned all of
our problems on guns.
You know, do exactly what you're doing.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 01:19:32 PM
Mike Sigman wrote:

<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106246538.219620.166730@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Mike Sigman wrote:

<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106245131.022709.63000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...



[[snip so everyone doesn't have to scroll down]]


Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in

advance

that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?



Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario. Moore

hires a

bodyguard, but never mentions the word "gun" and assumes that the

bodyguard

is just someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate, and

kung

fu.

Moore is astonished to find out that his bodyguard carries a gun.

I

like

it, Dave. Flesh it out a little bit and let's see if we can get

it

published. ;^)

Mike


I take it your rhetoric means you don't know the answer to my

question.

Which is as I thought.

A hint for you Mike. Bluster will only get you so far...


Dave, if you want to make the specious argument that Michael Moore

probably

didn't know that his bodyguard carried a gun, just make it and see if

it

goes over in the real world. Don't say something bizarre like that

and then

start commenting on "answer the question" and "bluster", and blah,

blah,

blah. Just live with the fact that you were dumb enough to question

whether

Michael Moore had any idea that his bodyguard carried a gun.

If you had read what I had said, I did ask whether Moore knew. Did he?
I don't know the answer to the question. Did he know his bodyguard was
carrying in NY, and he wasn't licensed in NY? Again, I don't know the
answer to the question. Do you?
Rather than blustering and insulting, you might actually try answering
the question.
--
Dave Fritzinger
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:46:58 PM
Mike Sigman wrote:

<dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106245131.022709.63000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...



[[snip so everyone doesn't have to scroll down]]


Of course, the relevant question would be whether Moore knew in

advance

that his bodyguard had a gun. Did he?



Lessee, now.... let me understand if I get your scenario. Moore

hires a

bodyguard, but never mentions the word "gun" and assumes that the

bodyguard

is just someone trained in the deadly arts of judo, karate, and kung

fu.

Moore is astonished to find out that his bodyguard carries a gun. I

like

it, Dave. Flesh it out a little bit and let's see if we can get it
published. ;^)

Mike

I take it your rhetoric means you don't know the answer to my question.
Which is as I thought.
A hint for you Mike. Bluster will only get you so far...
--
Dave Fritzinger
.



User: "Michael Altarriba"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 02:52:22 PM
Oh! I get it now... you're here to troll. It's all so clear to me now.
Thanks!
.
User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 04:43:20 PM
"Michael Altarriba" <mikealt@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106254342.046665.165510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Oh! I get it now... you're here to troll. It's all so clear to me now.
Thanks!

Think of me as a counter-point.
Mike
.
User: "Michael Altarriba"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 11:47:30 PM
See, I wish I could... I'd be very happy to see you discuss these
issues, raising an alternative point of view supported by clear reason
and evidence, and answering peoples questions.
You aren't doing that. At all.
What you are doing is trying to "win", with almost complete disregard
for the details of both your own position and that of those you are
arguing against. To a lesser extent, you're playing the same game as
Bill O'Reilly. I say lesser extent because you at least give passing
mention to the issues at hand.
So, whenever you wish to actually play the role of "counter-point",
I'll be happy to read your posts.
Honestly.
So far, that hasn't happened.
.
User: "Josh Hayes"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 21 Jan 2005 06:36:00 PM
"Michael Altarriba" <mikealt@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1106286450.265734.209460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

What you are doing is trying to "win", with almost complete disregard
for the details of both your own position and that of those you are
arguing against. To a lesser extent, you're playing the same game as
Bill O'Reilly....

[snip]
Now, to be fair, I haven't read Mike ever writing "Hey, just shut up! Shut
up! Shut the hell up!", one of Mister O'Reilly's most cutting arguments.
-JAH
And what does this have to do with O'Reilly defending ID, anyway?
.

User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 21 Jan 2005 08:45:13 AM
"Michael Altarriba" <mikealt@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106286450.265734.209460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

See, I wish I could... I'd be very happy to see you discuss these
issues, raising an alternative point of view supported by clear reason
and evidence, and answering peoples questions.

You aren't doing that. At all.

What you are doing is trying to "win", with almost complete disregard
for the details of both your own position and that of those you are
arguing against. To a lesser extent, you're playing the same game as
Bill O'Reilly. I say lesser extent because you at least give passing
mention to the issues at hand.

So, whenever you wish to actually play the role of "counter-point",
I'll be happy to read your posts.
Honestly.

So far, that hasn't happened.

I wish I could make sense of those out-of-context sentences. Go back and
read the start of this thread with the juvenile and self-congratulatory
pilings-on and tell me how much intelligence it takes to be involved in that
sort of cluster-*****. You're one of these people that likes to pump air
into his own tires and thinks any good discussion involves putting someone
down as a means of winning an argument. Yawn.
Mike
.




User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 12:18:54 PM
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote:

"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csop17$oah$4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

Did he say bodyguards shouldn't carry guns? If so, you can legitimately
call him a hypocrite... which has jack-all to do with Bill O'Reilly's
honesty, let alone with his take on ID.


You could just say that you don't get it. It'd be easier.

I take that to mean that he didn't say bodyguards shouldn't carry guns,
or at least not that you know of.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.

User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 06:15:48 PM
"Thomas Faller" <faller@sgi.com> wrote

I suspect he thinks he needs a bodyguard because
of the rational hatred against him. See:
http://www.workingpsychology.com/fahrenheit.html

Why, what's there? I mean, what's there that we don't have
to pump cash into lunatic right-wing pockets to see?
I have yet to see a valid attack on Michael Moore's
facts.
The closest you drooling imbeciles have ever came was
the idiot who attacked Michael Moore's "accuracy" in
regards to U.S. military spending.
Turns out they were both "technically" wrong, Michael
Moore and the idiot who appointed himself the judge
off all things true. The idiot was claiming that Michael
Moore overstated military spending, when in fact
Michael Moore had UNDERSTATED military spending.
As Michael Moore's point was that we were spending
too much money, Michael Moore's "inaccuracy" actually
FAVORED you drooling imbeciles. In other words,
Michael Moore was EVEN MORE CORRECT in his
conclusions.
But I guess that's why you drooling imbeciles need to
quible over precise numbers, because you know you
can't dispute you underlying point.


If the four million NRA members and the other 80 million gun owners in the
country were as irrational as he fears, if assault rifles and .50 cal

rifles

were
used in crime as much as he implies, and handguns caused violent behavior,
Michael would be dead long before now. He's a victim and a profiteer of
his own imagination and storytelling techniques.

Tom Faller


.

User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 09:50:26 AM
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote:

For humor, try this one I spotted:

NEW YORK — Filmmaker Michael Moore's (search) bodyguard was arrested for
carrying an unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night. . .
.

Burke is licensed to carry a firearm in Florida and California, but not in
New York. Burke was taken to Queens central booking and could potentially be
charged with a felony for the incident.

Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine" criticizes what
Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with guns.

You missed the important question of why he needs a bodyguard in the
first place.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.
User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 11:02:57 AM
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csok01$m3d$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote:

For humor, try this one I spotted:

NEW YORK — Filmmaker Michael Moore's (search) bodyguard was arrested for
carrying an unlicensed weapon in New York's JFK airport Wednesday night.
. .
.

Burke is licensed to carry a firearm in Florida and California, but not
in
New York. Burke was taken to Queens central booking and could potentially
be
charged with a felony for the incident.

Moore's 2003 Oscar-winning film "Bowling for Columbine" criticizes what
Moore calls America's "culture of fear" and its obsession with guns.


You missed the important question of why he needs a bodyguard in the
first place.

I haven't seen any evidence presented that he DOES need one. In fact a LOT
of the Hollywood types have bodyguards, but I haven't seen any particular
evidence presented that they need them. The POINT was the GUN, see.....
Mike
.


User: "Seppo Pietikainen"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 01:44:27 AM
JTEM wrote:

"Seppo Pietikainen" <s.pietikainen@kolumbus.fi> wrote


Y'all might want to read Al Franken's take on Bill O'Reilly
in "Lies and the Lying Liars who tell Them" :)



Better yet, catch some of Al Franken's coverage of Bill
O'Reilly on Air America.

Apparently O'Reilly went ballistic on a caller for
pointing out that he -- O'Reilly -- had never served in
the military. This was after O'Reilly stated that he had
been in combat.

The context was O'Reilly explaining how, for the sake of
his unit, when lives are at stake, if an enemy prisoner
knows where his troops are located he'd better tell him...
or else.

Al Franken got a tape of the exchange and played it on
the air.

Unbelievable.

He discounnected the caller, and then ranted at him.
He even denounced the caller's "Fair & balanced"
(O'Reilly's words) view.

Anyhow, after clearly implying that he had served in
combat, O'Reilly finally explained that he had served
as a combat reporter... in South America.

What war? One can only imagine.









Heh!
Sounds like a swell guy...
Seppo P.
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User: "Dan Clore"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 06:30:33 AM
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:

GigaMuxer wrote:

hbarwood@troyst.edu wrote:

Y'all might want to read Al Franken's take on Bill O'Reilly in
"Lies and the Lying Liars who tell Them" :)

Individuals like O'Reilly use a rhetorical strategy that
excludes rational debate and relies on establishing
dominance over their opponents, who get attacked as heretics
and sinners. They have the same sort of a persuasive power
and entertainment value as a pitbull.
Franken uses the best sort of rhetorical strategy to
respond. He changes the context to one where their lies can
be exposed--usually just by quoting their own words--and
does it in a humorous way that makes them impossible to take
seriously.
--
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 07:20:42 AM
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:30:33 -0800, Dan Clore
<clore@columbia-center.org> wrote:

Seppo Pietikainen wrote:

GigaMuxer wrote:

hbarwood@troyst.edu wrote:


Y'all might want to read Al Franken's take on Bill O'Reilly in
"Lies and the Lying Liars who tell Them" :)


Individuals like O'Reilly use a rhetorical strategy that
excludes rational debate and relies on establishing
dominance over their opponents, who get attacked as heretics
and sinners. They have the same sort of a persuasive power
and entertainment value as a pitbull.

Yes. They're props in his show.

Franken uses the best sort of rhetorical strategy to
respond. He changes the context to one where their lies can
be exposed--usually just by quoting their own words--and
does it in a humorous way that makes them impossible to take
seriously.

.


User: "Double Felix"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 19 Jan 2005 08:33:23 PM
In article <1106185996.929477.122610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Michael Altarriba" <mikealt@gmail.com> wrote:

Once one understands that Bill O'Reilly's goal is to get people to
emote (preferably with the emotions of fear, anger, or both) instead of
think, his mouth noises began to make a certain amount of sense. That
he is a fixture of Fox News also makes a certain amount of sense, as
the material produced by this network has a similar goal... well, that
and maximizing the value of their advertising slots (a goal they share
with all other contemporary for-profit news organizations... for most
of them, it's the only goal).

I started reading the transcript, but had to stop at this tidbit:

GRANT: Science is always incomplete in all areas.

O'REILLY: Well, I don't agree with that. Science is not always
incomplete and I'll give you an example. There are twenty-four hours
in a day. Alright. That's science. And there are four seasons.
That's science.

I had to stop reading... it hurt too much to go on.

Grant should have pointed out that science is what let us determine that
a day is in fact about 23.9345 hours, and getting longer!
- Felix
.
User: "beagle"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 16 Feb 2005 06:39:18 PM
Grant should also have pointed out that the recent Asian earthquake and
tsunami -- less than 2 months ago-- quickened the earth's rotation
and shaved several microseconds off the length of a day.
When O'Reilly says "Look, there are a lot of very brilliant scholars
who believe the reason we have incomplete science on evolution is that
there is a higher power involved in this and you should consider it as
a scientist." If he thinks that God is to be found in temporary
scientific ignorance he's doing believers a great disservice.
Isn't O'Reilly a Catholic? The Catholic church doesn't have a problem
with evolution. O'Reilly should know better.
-Karen
.

User: "Richard Clayton"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 19 Jan 2005 10:17:44 PM
Michael Altarriba wrote:

That would have been wonderful... but I suspect Billy would have made
some loud noises, so as to prevent the audience from hearing, let alone
considering that information.

::ahem::
"Shut up. I'm not going to listen to your talking points."
--
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Richard Clayton
"The world needs more Starscream." -- Stephenls
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 01:41:39 AM
In article <mb-dnZ9l-LBQm3LcRVn-ow@rogers.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts
available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze, had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.

His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado.
Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been done.

Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment at:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_be
lly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6





J. Spaceman

I wonder what O'Reilly taught. It certainly couldn't be science because
he doesn't have the vaguest notion of what science is and isn't.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "Stuart"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 15 Feb 2005 05:38:37 AM
johac wrote:

In article <mb-dnZ9l-LBQm3LcRVn-ow@rogers.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free

transcripts

available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox

Snooze, had a

short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover,

Penn.


His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of

Colorado.

Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that

is the case

then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been

done.


Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the

segment at:



http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_be

lly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6





J. Spaceman


I wonder what O'Reilly taught. It certainly couldn't be science

because

he doesn't have the vaguest notion of what science is and isn't.

History.
He doesn't know anything about that either.
Stuart
.


User: "Richard Clayton"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 19 Jan 2005 10:16:30 PM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze, had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.

His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado. Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been done.

Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment at:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_belly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6

What a surprise. The highly conservative host of a highly conservative
show on a highly conservative channel backs ID. But remember that ID
doesn't have a political agenda-- they just want to follow the evidence
where it leads.
(And if you believe THAT...)
--
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Richard Clayton
"The world needs more Starscream." -- Stephenls
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User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 20 Jan 2005 09:29:01 AM
"Richard Clayton" <reZIGclayZIGton@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:358pktF4ji99dU2@individual.net...

Jason Spaceman wrote:

In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts
available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze,
had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.

His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado.
Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the
case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been done.

Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment at:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_belly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6


What a surprise. The highly conservative host of a highly conservative
show on a highly conservative channel backs ID.

Er, just reading the transcript, it appears that O'Reilly simply is playing
the devil's advocate. Why the smear?
Mike
.
User: "josephus"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 15 Feb 2005 02:42:48 AM
Mike Sigman wrote:

"Richard Clayton" <reZIGclayZIGton@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:358pktF4ji99dU2@individual.net...

Jason Spaceman wrote:


In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts
available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze,
had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.

His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado.
Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the
case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been done.

Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment at:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_belly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6


What a surprise. The highly conservative host of a highly conservative
show on a highly conservative channel backs ID.



Er, just reading the transcript, it appears that O'Reilly simply is playing
the devil's advocate. Why the smear?

Mike


No he is not playing devils advocate. He does not understand ID much
less science. He makes unreasonable assertions and overrides the guests
replies. None of that sounds like a judicious presence and more like a
bully badgering his guest.
josephus
.
User: "Mike Sigman"

Title: Re: Bill O'Reilly defends ID 15 Feb 2005 08:57:27 AM
"josephus" <dogbird@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mike Sigman wrote:

"Richard Clayton" <reZIGclayZIGton@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:358pktF4ji99dU2@individual.net...

Jason Spaceman wrote:


In case anybody missed it (and I don't think Fox has free transcripts
available
on their website) Bill O'Reilly, of the O'Reilly Factor on Fox Snooze,
had a
short segment/debate last night about the ID controversy in Dover, Penn.

His guest was Dr. Michael Grant, a biologist from the Univ. of Colorado.
Grant
stated that ID isn't science. O'Reilly then claimed that if that is the
case
then human cloning isn't science as well, because it has never been
done.

Turns out that someone at News Hounds has a transcript of the segment
at:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/01/19/oreilly_defends_intelligent_design_your_belly_laugh_for_the_day.php
or http://tinyurl.com/5w3b6


What a surprise. The highly conservative host of a highly conservative
show on a highly conservative channel backs ID.



Er, just reading the transcript, it appears that O'Reilly simply is
playing
the devil's advocate. Why the smear?

Mike


No he is not playing devils advocate. He does not understand ID much
less science. He makes unreasonable assertions and overrides the guests
replies. None of that sounds like a judicious presence and more like a
bully badgering his guest.

Hmmmmm.... I don't think I've seen a single talk-show where guests weren't
cut off and topics hurried along. Perhaps you're being overly critical?
Mike
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