"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> writes:

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> writes:

Maybe you can try to answer a question I posed on a different
thread. Who would you prefer to have in your unit - a highly
professional gay soldier, whose sexual orientation you know but who
keeps his sex life as his own business, or a straight draftee who
would really rather be doing something else and is a bit miffed
that he got inducted at the start of the surfing season? Or you
could opt for having nobody available, but that has its own
problems. Those are basically your choices - they aren't getting
enough people and with the deficit, they'll have some real trouble
being able to raise the pay to attract more people.

We do not have draftees, which are at best amateurs.

You do not *currently* have draftees. There is, however, a shortfall
- not enough people enlisting. If it gets bad enough, they'll start
drafting people - they'll have no choice.

And those homosexuals who do get put out tend to make a big deal out
of their sexuality.

You mean someone inadvertently blurts out the name of the person who
he went on a date with? Or do you mean that they reach the point
where they can't keep it under cover any longer? How do you think
straight soldiers would react if they were told that they could never,
ever say one word about their attraction to women or even let on that
they might be attracted to women, and could above all never mention
their girlfriends' names or even call them girlfriends?

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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: "Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> writes:
:
: > "No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
: > news:m3d5u2ex2r.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
: > : "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
: > :
: > : > Andrealphus wrote:
: > :
: > : > > They can work side-by-side while bathing and sleeping together.
They
: > : > > already do.
: > : >
: > : > But they're not doing it openly, which is the issue at hand.
: > :
: > : You seem to be unclear on the concept. They may be open about whether
: > : they are gay, but the assumption is that there would be no change
: > : regarding what goes on when they work side-by-side and bathe and
: > : sleep in the same facilities.
: > :
: > : I presume it would *not* be acceptable in a shared room for a gay
: > : soldier to have sex any more than it would be acceptable for a
: > : straight soldier to have sex. The others in the room need their sleep
: > : and shouldn't have to try to doze off while listening to someone in
: > : the next bed saying "you're so hot" all night long.
: > :
: > : It should be acceptable for a gay soldier to make a declarative
: > : statement that he is gay. Then one of his buddies won't waste
: > : time trying to help him find a date with a girl, and can try to
: > : help one of his straight buddies instead.
: >
: > Who says that you will see that room much during your enlistment? more
: > likely you will be doing rotations at JRTC at Ft Polk LA, sleeping in
the
: > dirt. Or tours in Iraq or Afghanistan.
:
: I don't really care if it is a room or a tent, or a hut, or whatever
: it is you people sleep in, but the J. Young guy seemed very concerned
: about sleeping and bathing arrangements. If he got those wrong, by
: all means talk to him abaout it.
:
: Maybe you can try to answer a question I posed on a different thread.
: Who would you prefer to have in your unit - a highly professional gay
: soldier, whose sexual orientation you know but who keeps his sex life
: as his own business, or a straight draftee who would really rather be
: doing something else and is a bit miffed that he got inducted at the
: start of the surfing season? Or you could opt for having nobody
: available, but that has its own problems. Those are basically your
: choices - they aren't getting enough people and with the deficit,
: they'll have some real trouble being able to raise the pay to
: attract more people.

We do not have draftees, which are at best amateurs.

And those homosexuals who do get put out tend to make a big deal out of
their sexuality.

One of the things about Don't Ask, Don't Tell is that you
can be in service if homosexual but it is when you become political about it
that you get your ***** kicked out. UCMJ is not forbidding homosexuals, just
the lifestyle.

"Omega" <2121(d)@insightbb.com> writes:
Those are basically your
choices - they aren't getting enough people and with the deficit,
they'll have some real trouble being able to raise the pay to
attract more people.

Andrealphus wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1110737798.430891.160160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

The military already has experience with segregation. Negroes were
intergrated because of social pressures, not because it didn't work.

Nonsense. Blacks were integrated for one reason only. Truman
ordered it. Polls taken at the time showed that fully 72% opposed
the integration.

Polls? Have you learned nothing these past few years? The political
tide in this country was beginning to change. Truman only beat the
USSC to the punchline.

The services today run as a cohesive unit despite the seperation of
the sexes. Homos and straights can work side by side without having
to bathe and sleep together.

They can work side-by-side while bathing and sleeping together. They
already do.

But they're not doing it openly, which is the issue at hand.

What are you going to do? Build another Pentagon? Paint it pink?

Bill submitted to allow gays in military:

A perfect compromise to this issue would be the creation of all gay
units. Gays could serve their country freely and openly and America
could benefit from the skills these soldiers could offer.


http://news.newkerala.com/world-news/?action=fullnews&id=79562


Bill submitted to allow gays in military:

Fifty-two Democrats and a single Republican Wednesday sponsored a
bill that would allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military, and
give those who left under the policy banning gays a chance to rejoin
the armed forces.