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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

I knew a fella who was initiated into the Engineering
Dept. They packed his ***** with grease, blued his balls,
and when they was done with him, he stood to attention
and saluted them one and all.

Those are just stories the Shellbacks tell to scare the ***** out of

The humiliation part is true, crawling through garbage and such.
But the violence doesn't happen.

There's nothing dishonorable about consenting adults having sex.

Last I heard they were NOT giving Dishonerable Discharges just
for admitting you were Gay and using it to get out.

In 1986 onboard USS Gray, our storekeeper was having a *very* hard

dealing with ship life.
He went to the SupO and told him he was gay and was a civillian a

months later.
He got an OTH (Other than Honourale) Discharge.
6 Months later, with no civillian troubles, his discharge was

changed to "administrative".

An Admin discharge is honourable.
It simply means there was an error that was nobody's fault.

Of course one only gets out of the military what one puts into
it like you would anything else.

Assuming, of course, that you are not working with a corrupt

There's nothing to be gained by working with evil-doers except grief.

On 16 Mar 2005 19:24:21 -0800,

They should be damned glad it wasn't MY ***** they were trying to
grease, cause like -you- say, "consenting adults" and I wouldn't
consent to begin with not to something like that. Somebody
would have gotten seriously hurt trying to pack MY *****, NO
doubts in my mind on THAT!!!

And your life on that ship would be over. You'd be labeled a hard
case, and not a team player.

My first jump out of Airborne School I wore a helmet that was painted
bright red, with a big spike on top labeled "lawn dart". It also had
"helpful" suggestions like "Flap hard, Cherry!" and "Aim for an
officer!"

I wore it, took my ribbing, and on the next jump gladly strapped that
abomination onto the newest Cherry jumper.

--

Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.

Your Chain of Command was ***** if they knew you were queer and failed
to kick your ***** out. They swore that they would obey the orders of
their superiors and they failed to do so.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:36:36 -0800, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com> wrote:

In article <3o8d31lb0cq3ed3frt3bke8oj888cfdjei@4ax.com>,
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:50:20 -0800, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com> wrote:

Not my experience - I was gay for 13 years in the army - most everyone
knew including my batallion commanders and commanding generals - no one
really cared. Sure you have to have a thick skin for the occasional
assholes but other than that its not really any different than being
gay in most mixed urban environments. Of course having intelligent
commanders helps - as one told me about some 'accusations' I was gay,
"I've been accused of worse than this - heck I've DONE worse than this"
as he held the CID report :)

As long as commanders demand acceptance, their subordinates will give
it. As we've seen in all the other countries that have allowed gays the
changes occur almost overnight with good leadership.

Your Chain of Command was ***** if they knew you were queer and failed
to kick your ***** out. They swore that they would obey the orders of
their superiors and they failed to do so. That makes them "*****."

Ha you don't understand how 'don't ask don't tell' is supposed to work,
do you? But then you've demonstrated your lack of ability to process
data to any significant degree just today in messages I've already
replied to. :)

You Chain of Command was *****! They knew you were a ***** sucker and
failed in their duty to rid the military of you. They should all have
all gotten a General Court and been kicked out themselves.

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message

Maybe they realized that retaining a good soldier made more sense than
chaptering him for something that had no bearing on the job.

If the military definition of a "good soldier" is a heterosexual person, a
homosexual would not be a good soldier, would they?

Yea, I bet. In the showers too, huh? I knew two or three and heard about
several more. They usually wound up bailing off the base water tower, or
eating an M-16 or having a nervous breakdown because someone called them a
name.

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:49:36 GMT,

Your Chain of Command was ***** if they knew you were queer and failed
to kick your ***** out. They swore that they would obey the orders of
their superiors and they failed to do so. That makes them "*****."

Maybe they realized that retaining a good soldier made more sense than
chaptering him for something that had no bearing on the job.

If the military definition of a "good soldier" is a heterosexual person, a
homosexual would not be a good soldier, would they?

I knew several gay soldiers. Some of whom were fellow Rangers. We
didn't give a damn that they hung out at different bars on the
weekends, they were good soldiers who had you back

Yea, I bet. In the showers too, huh? I knew two or three and heard about
several more. They usually wound up bailing off the base water tower, or
eating an M-16 or having a nervous breakdown because someone called them a
name.

The military has rules.

If you want to play, obey.
Queers have rules, if a
soldier wants to join up with a bunch queers, I suppose he would have to
fall in line as well.

Get yourself a sign to hang around your neck that says
"Queers are an abomination to God".