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Religions > Atheism |
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"Brian Westley" |
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06 Oct 2003 02:16:12 AM |
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Bill to permit military academy prayers |
These idiots don't even understand that policies struck
down on first amendment grounds can't be addressed by
passing more unconstitutional laws:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031004-123021-3629r.htm
Republicans on Capitol Hill are stepping
into a battle over whether military schools should be allowed to include
prayer as part of meals and other school-sponsored activities.
House conservatives are pushing a bill
designed to ensure that military academies can have policies to include
voluntary, nondenominational prayers during authorized activities, such
as meals.
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Walter B. Jones,
North Carolina Republican, aims to combat the efforts of the American
Civil Liberties Union, which successfully sued the Virginia Military
Institute because of its prayer-before-meal tradition, and has since
notified the U.S. Naval Academy in a letter that its similar prayer
policy must be changed.
"I find it incredibly ironic that liberal
organizations like the ACLU are attempting to take away the very
freedoms that these students are willing to go to war to protect," Mr.
Jones said when he introduced his bill last month.
....
Hey, brainpan, if you're trying to protect cadets' rights,
why are you only allowing NONDENOMINATIONAL prayers, moron?
Don't cadets have the right to pray to their specific gods?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Bill to permit military academy prayers |
07 Oct 2003 02:25:23 AM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> writes:
These idiots don't even understand that policies struck
down on first amendment grounds can't be addressed by
passing more unconstitutional laws:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031004-123021-3629r.htm
Republicans on Capitol Hill are stepping
into a battle over whether military schools should be allowed to include
prayer as part of meals and other school-sponsored activities.
House conservatives are pushing a bill
designed to ensure that military academies can have policies to include
voluntary, nondenominational prayers during authorized activities, such
as meals.
The bill, sponsored by Rep. Walter B. Jones,
North Carolina Republican, aims to combat the efforts of the American
Civil Liberties Union, which successfully sued the Virginia Military
Institute because of its prayer-before-meal tradition, and has since
notified the U.S. Naval Academy in a letter that its similar prayer
policy must be changed.
"I find it incredibly ironic that liberal
organizations like the ACLU are attempting to take away the very
freedoms that these students are willing to go to war to protect," Mr.
Jones said when he introduced his bill last month.
...
Hey, brainpan, if you're trying to protect cadets' rights,
why are you only allowing NONDENOMINATIONAL prayers, moron?
Don't cadets have the right to pray to their specific gods?
I'm just waiting for some conservatives to start whining that it *only*
allows "nondenominational" prayer -- there are some who won't be satisfied
unless the bill is worded to explicitly only allow Christian prayer.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Bill to permit military academy prayers |
07 Oct 2003 11:51:48 PM |
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On 7 Oct 2003 03:25:23 -0400, (Keenan Clay
Wilkie) posted in alt.atheism:
I'm just waiting for some conservatives to start whining that it *only*
allows "nondenominational" prayer -- there are some who won't be satisfied
unless the bill is worded to explicitly only allow Christian prayer.
That's what it's for - nondenominational Christian prayer. (Doesn't
"nondenominational" mean "whatever sect of Christianity you belong
to"?)
</ALF>
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Bill to permit military academy prayers |
06 Oct 2003 02:06:26 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
These idiots don't even understand that policies struck
down on first amendment grounds can't be addressed by
passing more unconstitutional laws:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031004-123021-3629r.htm
Republicans on Capitol Hill are stepping
into a battle over whether military schools should be allowed to include
prayer as part of meals and other school-sponsored activities.
House conservatives are pushing a bill
designed to ensure that military academies can have policies to include
voluntary, nondenominational prayers during authorized activities, such
as meals.
Ignoring the illegal portion of the plan, that these people think
there is such a thing as a non-demominational prayer shows how utterly
ignorant and out of touch with the world they are. A prayer
acknowledging any god excludes Buddhists, atheists and similar. A
prayer to one god excludes polythiests. A prayer to a father god
excludes those who pray to a goddess. A prayer which addresses "God"
directly excludes those Jews who think one should never use that word
as a name.
It was columnist Molly Ivins who pointed out that if you were to
create a truly non-denominational prayer that can satisfy everyone
who's subjected to it, it would have to start "To Whom It May
Concern". I somehow doubt that wording would be in this bill.
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