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User: "J Young"
Date: 13 Jan 2006 02:12:53 PM
Object: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases
A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319
Bill limits federal courts
Would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases
Call it the 10th Amendment Restoration Act.
A bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, promises to return to the
states those issues federal courts, by their decisions, "have wrested from
state and local governments."
H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts'
jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices,
orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.
Paul's bill, most recently introduced Nov. 17, notes:
"Article I, section 8 and article 3, section 1 of the Constitution of
the United States give Congress the power to establish and limit the
jurisdiction of the lower Federal courts," and "Article III, section 2 of
the Constitution of the United States gives Congress the power to make 'such
exceptions, and under such regulations' as Congress finds necessary to
Supreme Court jurisdiction."
To clarify jurisdictional issues, the bill states federal courts,
including the U.S. Supreme Court, are not prevented from "determining the
constitutionality of any Federal statute or administrative rule or procedure
in considering any case arising under the Constitution of the United
States."
To add to the impact of the legislation, Paul included a provision
saying no past federal ruling dealing with the three prohibited areas should
be considered as "binding precedent" on any state court. Also, the
congressman's bill stipulates that any judge violating the law shall be
impeached by Congress or removed by the president.
Paul explained his bill on the floor of the House of Representatives
when it was introduced in the last Congress, in March 2004.
"Some may claim that an activist judiciary that strikes down state
laws at will expands individual liberty," Paul stated. "Proponents of this
claim overlook the fact that the best guarantor of true liberty is
decentralized political institutions, while the greatest threat to liberty
is concentrated power. This is why the Constitution carefully limits the
power of the federal government over the states."
Continued Paul: "In recent years, we have seen numerous abuses of
power by federal courts. Federal judges regularly strike down state and
local laws on subjects such as religious liberty, sexual orientation, family
relations, education and abortion. This government by federal judiciary
causes a virtual nullification of the Tenth Amendment's limitations on
federal power. Furthermore, when federal judges impose their preferred
policies on state and local governments, instead of respecting the policies
adopted by those elected by, and thus accountable to, the people, republican
government is threatened. . Congress must act when the executive or judicial
branch threatens the republican governments of the individual states.
Therefore, Congress has a responsibility to stop federal judges from running
roughshod over state and local laws. The Founders would certainly have
supported congressional action to reign in federal judges who tell citizens
where they can and can't place manger scenes at Christmas."
Paul's isn't the only bill pending in Congress that seeks to limit the
jurisdiction of federal courts. The Constitution Restoration Act, sponsored
in the House by Rep Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., and in the Senate by Sen
Richard Shelby, R-Ala., would prohibit federal courts from ruling in cases
involving government officials who acknowledge God "as the sovereign source
of law, liberty or government." The bill was birthed in the aftermath of the
ouster of former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was sanctioned by the
courts for acknowledging God by way of a Ten Commandments monument in the
state's judicial building.
The We the People Act, which was referred to the House Committee on
the Judiciary, has no co-sponsors.
Wrote columnist and Constitution Party vice presidential candidate
Chuck Baldwin in reference to H.R. 4379: "If we had 218 congressmen such as
Ron Paul in the House of Representatives, we could change the course of the
country in short order."
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
.

User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 14 Jan 2006 11:55:57 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:yLqdnTRgypollFXenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com...

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

You mean a tyranny of the majority, and an infringement of basic human
rights.
.

User: "Anthony Lindemann"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 04:32:29 PM
Apparently J Young has no fucking clue.... the United States is NOT a
democracy.
Go back to High School government class.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.



.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 11:41:26 PM
In <yLqdnTRgypollFXenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319

Bill limits federal courts

Would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases

Oh now there's a can of worms you don't want to open.
After setting a precedent like that, where do you stop? What happens if a
"liberal" government comes to power? Don't like the new national gun
control law? So sue. Oh, wait, you *can't sue can you...
--
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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 03:42:28 PM
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

You hate democracy. You're been an advocate of theocracy.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

LOL!
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Anthony Lindemann"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 04:34:26 PM
On 13 Jan 2006 21:42:28 GMT,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.


You hate democracy. You're been an advocate of theocracy.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/


LOL!

Good Post rfischer!!! Very True!
.


User: "la gripa colombiana"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 16 Jan 2006 11:14:52 AM
J Young wrote...

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.







http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319


Bill limits federal courts



Would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases



Call it the 10th Amendment Restoration Act.

A bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, promises to return to the
states those issues federal courts, by their decisions, "have wrested from
state and local governments."

H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts'
jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices,
orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.

I am surprised to hear the proposal coming from a libertarian, as the LP
(which Ron Paul used to belong to) strongly believes in constitutional
principles, one of which is judicial review. While he may be trying to
defend one part of the constitution (the 10th amendment), he trashes the
rest of the constitution by depriving courts of the right to review laws
to see if they are constitutional. The precedent is dangerous, just
about any law could be written with a clause prohibiting the courts from
reviewing it. Is that what the Founders intended, just like they
intended to give the Executive absolute power?
.

User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 15 Jan 2006 03:19:22 PM
J Young wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

One of the principle functions of the Courts is to judge the law against The
Supreme Law of the Land, ie the Constitution. This bill allows "the will of the
people" to bypass the Constitution, thereby turning guaranteed constitutional
protections into nothing more than public opinion.
Mr. Young, why do you hate America so much?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
.

User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 13 Jan 2006 07:59:20 PM
J Young wrote:

H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts'
jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices,
orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.


Um, wait, we're supposed to believe that certain folks *don't* want a
Federal Court case regarding Massachusetts? That the nation *needs* more
such situations?
Gimmie some of what you're smokin'!

To clarify jurisdictional issues, the bill states federal courts,
including the U.S. Supreme Court, are not prevented from "determining the
constitutionality of any Federal statute or administrative rule or procedure
in considering any case arising under the Constitution of the United
States."


Oh. So much hot air then.

To add to the impact of the legislation, Paul included a provision
saying no past federal ruling dealing with the three prohibited areas should
be considered as "binding precedent" on any state court. Also, the
congressman's bill stipulates that any judge violating the law shall be
impeached by Congress or removed by the president.


Impact schmimpact. Like he'd really trumpet that a ruling saying
same-sex marriage is unConstitutional should be disregarded...
Puh-lease.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "LC"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 02:19:22 PM
Nazi-wannabe "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> aka
"IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> trolled in message
news:yLqdnTRgypollFXenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com...

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

Equal rights shouldn't be subject to the whim of a tyrannical majority,
IBen.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319

"If you are going to quote a source as fact, please make sure it is a
reputable one. Thankyou."
From: "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <soadnTLhfJOaelzenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
LC~ "J Young" = idiot.
"J Young may look like and idiot and sound ilke an idiot, but
don't let that fool you - he really is an idiot."
From: No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <m3wthwjx1r.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>
.

User: "William Wingstedt"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 04:13:15 PM
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.

Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...







http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319


Bill limits federal courts



Would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases



Call it the 10th Amendment Restoration Act.

A bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, promises to return to the
states those issues federal courts, by their decisions, "have wrested from
state and local governments."

H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts'
jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices,
orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.


Paul's bill, most recently introduced Nov. 17, notes:

"Article I, section 8 and article 3, section 1 of the Constitution of
the United States give Congress the power to establish and limit the
jurisdiction of the lower Federal courts," and "Article III, section 2 of
the Constitution of the United States gives Congress the power to make 'such
exceptions, and under such regulations' as Congress finds necessary to
Supreme Court jurisdiction."

To clarify jurisdictional issues, the bill states federal courts,
including the U.S. Supreme Court, are not prevented from "determining the
constitutionality of any Federal statute or administrative rule or procedure
in considering any case arising under the Constitution of the United
States."

To add to the impact of the legislation, Paul included a provision
saying no past federal ruling dealing with the three prohibited areas should
be considered as "binding precedent" on any state court. Also, the
congressman's bill stipulates that any judge violating the law shall be
impeached by Congress or removed by the president.

Paul explained his bill on the floor of the House of Representatives
when it was introduced in the last Congress, in March 2004.

"Some may claim that an activist judiciary that strikes down state
laws at will expands individual liberty," Paul stated. "Proponents of this
claim overlook the fact that the best guarantor of true liberty is
decentralized political institutions, while the greatest threat to liberty
is concentrated power. This is why the Constitution carefully limits the
power of the federal government over the states."

Continued Paul: "In recent years, we have seen numerous abuses of
power by federal courts. Federal judges regularly strike down state and
local laws on subjects such as religious liberty, sexual orientation, family
relations, education and abortion. This government by federal judiciary
causes a virtual nullification of the Tenth Amendment's limitations on
federal power. Furthermore, when federal judges impose their preferred
policies on state and local governments, instead of respecting the policies
adopted by those elected by, and thus accountable to, the people, republican
government is threatened. . Congress must act when the executive or judicial
branch threatens the republican governments of the individual states.
Therefore, Congress has a responsibility to stop federal judges from running
roughshod over state and local laws. The Founders would certainly have
supported congressional action to reign in federal judges who tell citizens
where they can and can't place manger scenes at Christmas."

Paul's isn't the only bill pending in Congress that seeks to limit the
jurisdiction of federal courts. The Constitution Restoration Act, sponsored
in the House by Rep Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., and in the Senate by Sen
Richard Shelby, R-Ala., would prohibit federal courts from ruling in cases
involving government officials who acknowledge God "as the sovereign source
of law, liberty or government." The bill was birthed in the aftermath of the
ouster of former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was sanctioned by the
courts for acknowledging God by way of a Ten Commandments monument in the
state's judicial building.


The We the People Act, which was referred to the House Committee on
the Judiciary, has no co-sponsors.

Wrote columnist and Constitution Party vice presidential candidate
Chuck Baldwin in reference to H.R. 4379: "If we had 218 congressmen such as
Ron Paul in the House of Representatives, we could change the course of the
country in short order."














--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 04:39:07 PM
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,

(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...

There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 06:20:32 PM
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:muags1d1teogp3m7ud8u2q5b9a7fe91a40@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,


(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy
actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...


There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.

Who is 'we'?
If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority who
is in compliance with the statutes?
.
User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 13 Jan 2006 08:02:02 PM
Johnny wrote:

If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority who
is in compliance with the statutes?


Salem witchcraft trials anyone?
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 08:10:08 PM
"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:uYYxf.3135$PY6.2185@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...

Johnny wrote:

If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority
who is in compliance with the statutes?


Salem witchcraft trials anyone?

Got a date for that?
Have you read any laws on the books recently that are directing us to
perform such actions?
How is it you think such old news of such an extreme nature is somehow going
to allay the law-abiding majority's desire for a lawful democracy?


--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act
redeemed." --Voltaire

.
User: "LC"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 14 Jan 2006 11:18:43 AM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:A1Zxf.38250$qw4.26450@bignews5.bellsouth.net...

"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:uYYxf.3135$PY6.2185@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...

Johnny wrote:

If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority
who is in compliance with the statutes?

Salem witchcraft trials anyone?

Got a date for that?
Have you read any laws on the books recently that are directing us to
perform such actions?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."~ George
Santayana
.

User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 14 Jan 2006 09:23:52 AM
Johnny wrote:
[snip]
Guess I hit a little too close to home. Just be happy that you're not
female, what with all those law-abiding folks demanding that they give
birth; Even if it would kill the mother.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sexmarriage cases 14 Jan 2006 04:40:00 AM
in article A1Zxf.38250$qw4.26450@bignews5.bellsouth.net, Johnny at
wxpprofessional@msn.com wrote on 1/13/06 9:10 PM:


"Dionisio" <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
news:uYYxf.3135$PY6.2185@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...

Johnny wrote:

If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority
who is in compliance with the statutes?


Salem witchcraft trials anyone?


Got a date for that?
Have you read any laws on the books recently that are directing us to
perform such actions?
How is it you think such old news of such an extreme nature is somehow going
to allay the law-abiding majority's desire for a lawful democracy?

Because the law-abiding majority don't realize that such things
could be turned upon THEM at some point.
Paul
.



User: "William Wingstedt"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 14 Jan 2006 09:40:13 AM
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:20:32 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:muags1d1teogp3m7ud8u2q5b9a7fe91a40@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,


(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy
actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...


There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.


Who is 'we'?
If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority who
is in compliance with the statutes?

Because the majority might be a bunch of dumb asses that pass statutes
that give our rights away to a fascist government that is not in
compliance with the constitution.
W\/W
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sexmarriage cases 14 Jan 2006 04:38:37 AM
in article QqXxf.40444$0y2.26184@bignews2.bellsouth.net, Johnny at
wxpprofessional@msn.com wrote on 1/13/06 7:20 PM:


"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:muags1d1teogp3m7ud8u2q5b9a7fe91a40@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,


(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy
actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...


There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.


Who is 'we'?
If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority who
is in compliance with the statutes?

Sounds like all you worry about is being in compliance with the
majority (expecting some kind of reward for it).
Paul
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 14 Jan 2006 01:08:32 PM
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:38:37 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote
in alt.atheism

in article QqXxf.40444$0y2.26184@bignews2.bellsouth.net, Johnny at
wxpprofessional@msn.com wrote on 1/13/06 7:20 PM:


"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:muags1d1teogp3m7ud8u2q5b9a7fe91a40@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,


(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy
actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...


There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.


Who is 'we'?
If you aren't breaking some law then why are you in fear of the majority who
is in compliance with the statutes?



Sounds like all you worry about is being in compliance with the
majority (expecting some kind of reward for it).

Dog Training 101. It can't be trusted off a very short chain.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.



User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 13 Jan 2006 08:01:05 PM
Christopher A. Lee wrote:

There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.


Naturally, some see that as "bad."
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.
User: "Matty"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 14 Jan 2006 03:12:35 AM
On 2006-01-14 15:01:05 +1300, Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> said:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.


Naturally, some see that as "bad."

yeap, and its almost a certaintity that we'll have the population say
on one hand that they want 'strong decisive leadership willing to make
tough decisions' and yet, when the decision is made, and it isn't
popular, there is a whole number of people whining.
Matt
.


User: "Anthony Lindemann"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 04:40:39 PM
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:39:07 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:13:15 GMT,


(William Wingstedt) wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:12:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.


Democracy=Tyranny of the Majority. Let me know when our Constitutional
Republic becomes a democracy...


There are two kinds of democracy. We're supposed to be a liberal
democracy with protection for the individual from the majority.

Unlike Christopher Lee, Y Joung never paid attention in high school
government class ;)
.



User: "Frank Arthur"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases 13 Jan 2006 02:37:19 PM
The Christian Taliban would like to force their particular view of
Christianity on Americans. Like the Muslim Taliban who enforced their
religious police on Muslims in
Afghanistan. These beasts would like to be the religious police in the USA.
Thank God for the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill
of Rights it cannot happen here.
I have examined all the known superstitions of the Word, and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt,
tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?
To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support
roguery and error all over the world ...
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for
enslaving mankind ... to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in
fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Thomas Jefferson
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as
the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three
headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more
of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the
caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes;
fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for
the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and
tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins
.... and you will have sins in abundance. I would not dare to dishonor my
Creator's name by [attaching] it to this filthy book [the Bible].
Thomas Paine
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A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.







http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319


Bill limits federal courts



Would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriage cases



Call it the 10th Amendment Restoration Act.

A bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, promises to return to
the
states those issues federal courts, by their decisions, "have wrested from
state and local governments."

H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts'
jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices,
orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.


Paul's bill, most recently introduced Nov. 17, notes:

"Article I, section 8 and article 3, section 1 of the Constitution of
the United States give Congress the power to establish and limit the
jurisdiction of the lower Federal courts," and "Article III, section 2 of
the Constitution of the United States gives Congress the power to make
'such
exceptions, and under such regulations' as Congress finds necessary to
Supreme Court jurisdiction."

To clarify jurisdictional issues, the bill states federal courts,
including the U.S. Supreme Court, are not prevented from "determining the
constitutionality of any Federal statute or administrative rule or
procedure
in considering any case arising under the Constitution of the United
States."

To add to the impact of the legislation, Paul included a provision
saying no past federal ruling dealing with the three prohibited areas
should
be considered as "binding precedent" on any state court. Also, the
congressman's bill stipulates that any judge violating the law shall be
impeached by Congress or removed by the president.

Paul explained his bill on the floor of the House of Representatives
when it was introduced in the last Congress, in March 2004.

"Some may claim that an activist judiciary that strikes down state
laws at will expands individual liberty," Paul stated. "Proponents of this
claim overlook the fact that the best guarantor of true liberty is
decentralized political institutions, while the greatest threat to liberty
is concentrated power. This is why the Constitution carefully limits the
power of the federal government over the states."

Continued Paul: "In recent years, we have seen numerous abuses of
power by federal courts. Federal judges regularly strike down state and
local laws on subjects such as religious liberty, sexual orientation,
family
relations, education and abortion. This government by federal judiciary
causes a virtual nullification of the Tenth Amendment's limitations on
federal power. Furthermore, when federal judges impose their preferred
policies on state and local governments, instead of respecting the
policies
adopted by those elected by, and thus accountable to, the people,
republican
government is threatened. . Congress must act when the executive or
judicial
branch threatens the republican governments of the individual states.
Therefore, Congress has a responsibility to stop federal judges from
running
roughshod over state and local laws. The Founders would certainly have
supported congressional action to reign in federal judges who tell
citizens
where they can and can't place manger scenes at Christmas."

Paul's isn't the only bill pending in Congress that seeks to limit
the
jurisdiction of federal courts. The Constitution Restoration Act,
sponsored
in the House by Rep Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., and in the Senate by Sen
Richard Shelby, R-Ala., would prohibit federal courts from ruling in cases
involving government officials who acknowledge God "as the sovereign
source
of law, liberty or government." The bill was birthed in the aftermath of
the
ouster of former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was sanctioned by
the
courts for acknowledging God by way of a Ten Commandments monument in the
state's judicial building.


The We the People Act, which was referred to the House Committee on
the Judiciary, has no co-sponsors.

Wrote columnist and Constitution Party vice presidential candidate
Chuck Baldwin in reference to H.R. 4379: "If we had 218 congressmen such
as
Ron Paul in the House of Representatives, we could change the course of
the
country in short order."














--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


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User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sexmarriage cases 14 Jan 2006 04:29:02 AM
in article yLqdnTRgypollFXenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 1/13/06 3:12 PM:

A liberals worst nightmare; the will of the people in a democracy actually
will be the law of the land.


Forget checks and balancs...what will be the people's will when God
fails to lavish them with material reward for doing so?
Paul
.
User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Bill would stop judges from ruling on abortion, same-sex marriagecases 14 Jan 2006 09:25:51 AM
Paul Duca wrote:

Forget checks and balancs...what will be the people's will when God
fails to lavish them with material reward for doing so?


Three words: Creflo Dollar, noose.
;-)
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.



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