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"johac" |
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11 Aug 2004 02:31:14 AM |
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Billy Graham gets it wrong |
Sheesh! Old Billy should hang around this newsgroup for a change.
Hey Billy! Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief, get it?
His argument from 'evidence' is typical; "It's true because it's in
the Bible." Yeah.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html?source=rss
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SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html
Atheist needs to examine his belief system
Saturday, August 7, 2004
By BILLY GRAHAM
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
DEAR DR. GRAHAM: I grew up believing in God, but I've decided the only
reason I believed was because that's what my parents taught me. They
were shocked when I told them I'd become an atheist, but I just can't
see believing in something you can't prove. Why should I? -- J.V.
DEAR J.V.: Has it ever occurred to you that as an atheist, you also
believe in something you can't prove?
You see, an atheist says there is no God -- in other words, that God
doesn't exist. But can you prove it? No, you can't, any more than
someone a thousand years ago -- before the invention of the telescope
-- could have proved that other galaxies didn't exist. All you can say
is that you don't believe there is any evidence for God's existence.
But what if there is evidence that you haven't yet examined? In other
words, you have faith that God doesn't exist -- but you can't actually
prove it.
But could you be looking in the wrong place? Or looking with the wrong
attitude? You see, as a Christian, I believe in God for one reason: He
has revealed Himself to us. How has He done this? He has done it first
of all through the majesty of His creation.
But, most of all, He has revealed Himself in a way that staggers our
imagination: He became a man. That man was Jesus, in whom (the Bible
says) "all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Colossians
2:9). No, I know you don't believe that right now -- but I challenge
you to look at Jesus with an open heart and mind as He is revealed in
the pages of the New Testament. Don't let pride or anything else keep
you from discovering Him.
Contact the Rev. Billy Graham c/o Billy Graham Evangelistic
Association, P.O. Box 779, Minneapolis, MN 55440, phone 877-247-2426,
or see the Web site www.billygraham.org
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Graham gets it wrong |
11 Aug 2004 06:42:39 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:31:14 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
Sheesh! Old Billy should hang around this newsgroup for a change.
Hey Billy! Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief, get it?
His argument from 'evidence' is typical; "It's true because it's in
the Bible." Yeah.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html?source=rss
And they wonder why they get treated as the idiots, liars etc they
show themselves to be.
They start off with a misrepresentation of atheists, then imagine
their rationalisations are some kind of silver bullet that demolishes
their misrepresentation.
Especially when they use fallacies a student of Logic 101 would be
ashamed of.
Yet if he had the common sense to keep it to himself nobody would have
treated him as an ignorant, stupid liar because nobody would have
known he was.
And the same goes for his followers who repeat his stupidly and
nastiness.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Graham gets it wrong |
12 Aug 2004 12:32:51 AM |
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In article <a81kh0hsfh65qc202evpth5u182t8n0gdo@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:31:14 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
Sheesh! Old Billy should hang around this newsgroup for a change.
Hey Billy! Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief, get it?
His argument from 'evidence' is typical; "It's true because it's in
the Bible." Yeah.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html?source=rss
And they wonder why they get treated as the idiots, liars etc they
show themselves to be.
They start off with a misrepresentation of atheists, then imagine
their rationalisations are some kind of silver bullet that demolishes
their misrepresentation.
Especially when they use fallacies a student of Logic 101 would be
ashamed of.
Yet if he had the common sense to keep it to himself nobody would have
treated him as an ignorant, stupid liar because nobody would have
known he was.
And the same goes for his followers who repeat his stupidly and
nastiness.
I wonder if old Billy wrote this himself, or if he had some flunky
ghost write it. But I agree that whoever did it is an idiot.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Billy Graham gets it wrong |
11 Aug 2004 07:46:18 AM |
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johac wrote:
Sheesh! Old Billy should hang around this newsgroup for a change.
Hey Billy! Atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of belief, get it?
His argument from 'evidence' is typical; "It's true because it's in
the Bible." Yeah.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html?source=rss
--
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/graham/182706_billy07.html
Atheist needs to examine his belief system
Saturday, August 7, 2004
By BILLY GRAHAM
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
DEAR DR. GRAHAM: I grew up believing in God, but I've decided the only
reason I believed was because that's what my parents taught me. They
were shocked when I told them I'd become an atheist, but I just can't
see believing in something you can't prove. Why should I? -- J.V.
DEAR J.V.: Has it ever occurred to you that as an atheist, you also
believe in something you can't prove?
You see, an atheist says there is no God -- in other words, that God
doesn't exist. But can you prove it? No, you can't, any more than
someone a thousand years ago -- before the invention of the telescope
-- could have proved that other galaxies didn't exist. All you can say
is that you don't believe there is any evidence for God's existence.
But what if there is evidence that you haven't yet examined? In other
words, you have faith that God doesn't exist -- but you can't actually
prove it.
But could you be looking in the wrong place? Or looking with the wrong
attitude? You see, as a Christian, I believe in God for one reason: He
has revealed Himself to us. How has He done this? He has done it first
of all through the majesty of His creation.
Ahhh of course 'His' perfect creation !!
Of course...how silly of me, this planet of 'eat dead things or die' is
perfect !
Not that I'd noticed.....
But, most of all, He has revealed Himself in a way that staggers our
imagination: He became a man. That man was Jesus,
Uh-huh !
in whom (the Bible
says)
So, not because 'that's what my parents taught me', but because some
fucking crappy book says it !!
Way too go !!!
"all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Colossians
2:9). No, I know you don't believe that right now -- but I challenge
you to look at Jesus with an open heart and mind as He is revealed in
the pages of the New Testament. Don't let pride or anything else keep
you from discovering Him.
No....just his lack of existence kinda makes it difficult....
you know...some guy who died over 2,000 years ago...
has he had a bath in that time ?
No !!! Because he's DEAD !
Why do these 'God' folks have such a hard time accepting that ?
Contact the Rev. Billy Graham c/o Billy Graham Evangelistic
Association, P.O. Box 779, Minneapolis, MN 55440, phone 877-247-2426,
or see the Web site www.billygraham.org
No thanks.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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