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User: "maff"
Date: 18 Jun 2005 09:12:51 PM
Object: Bird Flu Drug Useless
Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans
By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.
Our Little Women Problem
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/18/opinion/18schiff.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8534
By STACY SCHIFF
To manage work and love, independent-minded women in this world need
fathers who teach them to think.
The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd
and thread
The Road to Riches
http://tinyurl.com/55nzo
China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d
China / Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4
Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
.

User: "ltlee1"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 18 Jun 2005 11:08:04 PM
maff wrote:

Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html
"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."
"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."


Our Little Women Problem
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/18/opinion/18schiff.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1786.8534
By STACY SCHIFF
To manage work and love, independent-minded women in this world need
fathers who teach them to think.

The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd

and thread

The Road to Riches
http://tinyurl.com/55nzo

China
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d3294ecc38a6a57d


China / Meiguo
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/772524fe8bf033d4


Is the wakening giant a monster?
http://tinyurl.com/iws6


A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f

.
User: "Bobby D. Bryant"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 18 Jun 2005 11:18:09 PM
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, "ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:



maff wrote:

Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic do
exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the countries at
most immediate risk are among the worst prepared. Alison Abbott
reports."

One article I read said that nations have been stocking up on the drug
that has just now been rendered useless. I guess those stocks are
useless now.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 04:19:26 AM
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, "ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:



maff wrote:

Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic do
exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the countries at
most immediate risk are among the worst prepared. Alison Abbott
reports."


One article I read said that nations have been stocking up on the drug
that has just now been rendered useless. I guess those stocks are
useless now.

Which drug? How did they determine the drug is useless?


--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

.


User: "Ian H Spedding"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 09:55:32 AM
ltlee1 wrote:


maff wrote:


Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."

"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."

All of which reminded me of a favourite quotation of creationists:
"Scientists in China have discovered ancient bacteria that cast doubt
on Darwin's theory, and have published papers stating this. One of
them, Jian Yuan Chan, said, 'In China, we can criticize Darwin, but we
cannot criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the
government, but you cannot criticize Darwin.'"
Perhaps, if the Chinese had spent more time criticizing their
government and less criticizing Darwin they might have realised what
they were doing.
Ian
--
Ian H Spedding
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 11:58:53 AM
Ian H Spedding wrote:

ltlee1 wrote:


maff wrote:


Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."

"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."


All of which reminded me of a favourite quotation of creationists:

"Scientists in China have discovered ancient bacteria that cast doubt
on Darwin's theory, and have published papers stating this. One of
them, Jian Yuan Chan, said, 'In China, we can criticize Darwin, but we
cannot criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the
government, but you cannot criticize Darwin.'"

Perhaps, if the Chinese had spent more time criticizing their
government and less criticizing Darwin they might have realised what
they were doing.

The following post entitled
"我们现在的政府不喜用兵,也不敢用兵,所以我们不仅在内活的憋屈,在外也尽受别人欺负"
http://www.qglt.com/bbs/ReadFile?whichfile=11275693&typeid=14
was posted in the discussion forum of the People's Daily several
minutes ago.
The poster complained that the current Chinese government doesn't like
to use military force and dare not use military force. Hence, not only
are the Chinese people suppressed inside China, they are bullied by
other peoples outside the country.

Ian

--
Ian H Spedding

.

User: "Raymond E. Griffith"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 12:46:44 PM
in article 1119174932.742180.42720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Ian H
Spedding at
wrote on 6/19/05 5:55 AM:

ltlee1 wrote:


maff wrote:


Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701
214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."

"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."


All of which reminded me of a favourite quotation of creationists:

"Scientists in China have discovered ancient bacteria that cast doubt
on Darwin's theory, and have published papers stating this. One of
them, Jian Yuan Chan, said, 'In China, we can criticize Darwin, but we
cannot criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the
government, but you cannot criticize Darwin.'"

Perhaps, if the Chinese had spent more time criticizing their
government and less criticizing Darwin they might have realised what
they were doing.

Ian

--
Ian H Spedding

But that creationist quote makes me wonder. Why on earth should anyone give
credence to the idea that you cannot criticize Darwin in the US, when
scientists like Behe and Dawkins do so all of the time, and with no ill
effects other than the enrichment of their pockets (and the demonstration
that their world view is more important that truth or evidence)?
Pretending that one doesn't have the freedom or ability to do what one is
actually doing is ludicrous.
Similarly, fundamentalists have devoted huge resources to criticism of
Darwin and anyone else who speaks any kind of favorable word about
evolution. They not only can do it, the present administration is doing its
utmost to encourage them in it.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
.
User: "Katt"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 20 Jun 2005 01:56:39 AM
"Raymond E. Griffith" <rgriffit@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BEDAE174.1DE8A%rgriffit@ctc.


But that creationist quote makes me wonder. Why on earth should anyone
give
credence to the idea that you cannot criticize Darwin in the US, when
scientists like Behe [....] do so all of the time, and with no ill
effects other than the enrichment of their pockets (and the demonstration
that their world view is more important that truth or evidence)?

Something on Behe:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html
Katt.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 03:27:31 PM
Raymond E. Griffith wrote:

in article 1119174932.742180.42720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Ian H
Spedding at

wrote on 6/19/05 5:55 AM:

ltlee1 wrote:


maff wrote:


Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061701
214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."

"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."


All of which reminded me of a favourite quotation of creationists:

"Scientists in China have discovered ancient bacteria that cast doubt
on Darwin's theory, and have published papers stating this. One of
them, Jian Yuan Chan, said, 'In China, we can criticize Darwin, but we
cannot criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the
government, but you cannot criticize Darwin.'"

Perhaps, if the Chinese had spent more time criticizing their
government and less criticizing Darwin they might have realised what
they were doing.

Ian

--
Ian H Spedding


But that creationist quote makes me wonder. Why on earth should anyone give
credence to the idea that you cannot criticize Darwin in the US, when
scientists like Behe and Dawkins do so all of the time, and with no ill
effects other than the enrichment of their pockets (and the demonstration
that their world view is more important that truth or evidence)?

I think his point is one cannot criticize Darwinism without being
considered a moronic creationist or a christian fundamentalist. BTW, I
don't aware that Richard Dawkin had criticized Darwin in the sense that
he is trying to prove Darwinism wrong. Can you be more specific?


Pretending that one doesn't have the freedom or ability to do what one is
actually doing is ludicrous.

Similarly, fundamentalists have devoted huge resources to criticism of
Darwin and anyone else who speaks any kind of favorable word about
evolution. They not only can do it, the present administration is doing its
utmost to encourage them in it.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

.
User: ""

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 05:20:42 PM
There is no drug in any Flu in the world.
.

User: "Raymond E. Griffith"

Title: Re: Bird Flu Drug Useless 19 Jun 2005 06:13:58 PM
in article 1119194851.331626.35700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com,
at
wrote on 6/19/05 11:27 AM:



Raymond E. Griffith wrote:

in article 1119174932.742180.42720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Ian H
Spedding at

wrote on 6/19/05 5:55 AM:

ltlee1 wrote:


maff wrote:


Bird Flu Drug Useless
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR20050617
01
214_pf.html

http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6526
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans

By Alan Sipress, Page A01
Chinese farmers, acting with governmental approval, have tried to
suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug
meant for humans; as a result, the drug will no longer protect people
in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.


http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050523/full/435407a.html

"Drugs that could lessen the death toll in a flu pandemic
do exist. But global stockpiles are too small, and the
countries at most immediate risk are among the worst prepared.
Alison Abbott reports."

"The older, off-patent drugs amantadine and rimantadine
belong to a different class and interfere with a viral
protein called M2, which stops the virus from entering
its target cells. They seem to be as clinically effective
as the neuraminidase inhibitors, but resistance arises very
rapidly and the drugs can have disturbing side effects,
including psychotic episodes. Although such reactions are
rare, they would be highly unwelcome in the already panicky
atmosphere of a flu pandemic."


All of which reminded me of a favourite quotation of creationists:

"Scientists in China have discovered ancient bacteria that cast doubt
on Darwin's theory, and have published papers stating this. One of
them, Jian Yuan Chan, said, 'In China, we can criticize Darwin, but we
cannot criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the
government, but you cannot criticize Darwin.'"

Perhaps, if the Chinese had spent more time criticizing their
government and less criticizing Darwin they might have realised what
they were doing.

Ian

--
Ian H Spedding


But that creationist quote makes me wonder. Why on earth should anyone give
credence to the idea that you cannot criticize Darwin in the US, when
scientists like Behe and Dawkins do so all of the time, and with no ill
effects other than the enrichment of their pockets (and the demonstration
that their world view is more important that truth or evidence)?


I think his point is one cannot criticize Darwinism without being
considered a moronic creationist or a christian fundamentalist. BTW, I
don't aware that Richard Dawkin had criticized Darwin in the sense that
he is trying to prove Darwinism wrong. Can you be more specific?


Pretending that one doesn't have the freedom or ability to do what one is
actually doing is ludicrous.

Similarly, fundamentalists have devoted huge resources to criticism of
Darwin and anyone else who speaks any kind of favorable word about
evolution. They not only can do it, the present administration is doing its
utmost to encourage them in it.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith


Blast. I meant to say Dembski.
My apologies.
Raymond E. Griffith
.






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