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Ray Fischer wrote:

Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message news

CHICAGO - Emboldened by the anti-abortion movement's
success in restricting access to abortion, an
increasingly vocal group of Christian conservatives is
arguing that it's time to mount a concerted attack on
contraception.

Their voices were raised in Rosemont, Ill., last week at
an unusual anti-abortion meeting that drew 250 people from
around the nation to condemn artificial birth control.
Experts at the gathering assailed contraception on the
grounds that it devalues children, harms relationships
between men and women, promotes sexual promiscuity and
leads to falling birth rates, among social ills.

I'd absolutely agree with them.

Then I suggest that you find a magnifying glass and a pair of
tweezers and a sharp knife and remove your genitals.

Humans are not psychologically adapted for a world in which
there is reliable contraception.

Humans are not adapted for abstinence. It is unnatural.

BUT: It's 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancy. No
other "man-made" birthcontrol device can claim to be 100%
effective.

It's not likely to be 100% effective if it's not being used.

You can say the same thing with ANY birth control method,

Except there is no biological drive to forego other methods of
birth control. There is a strong, instinctial drive to engage in
sex.

And there are ways to teach people, especially younger teens and
adults, to learn how to redirect their attention or to practice
other sexual things that do NOT involve sexual intercourse.

So, you're saying that you're going to teach your daughter to give
head, and your son to eay a girl out?

No, I would allow my son and daughters access to learn about all
methods, including abstinence, and I would stress to them that
abstinence is and always will be the safest and most effective means.
Not only that, but for the son...it's going to show he respects her,
and for the daughter, it's going to provide her a means of testing who
is really interested in her and not just sex.

Somehow, I had not pictured that you were such

a progressive. LOL!

And somehow I figured you would have your mind in the gutter.

That is

the difference between it and other forms of birth control. That
is also why Abstinance has never been successful over all.

Well, nothing is successful if you don't discuss it and work at it.

And you're just the type of guy to discuss it with, right?

Well, if you are looking for someone who is going to stoop to low
levels and has their mind in the gutter, then no..I am not the type of
guy you can discuss this with.

I see nothing wrong with current birth control methods and I see
nothing wrong with teaching abstinence. Abstinence by far over
other methods is proven to work, 100% and is safer. No STD's.

Except it's never really worked.

ROFL

Show me a case of a woman or man who has practiced abstinence and had
an unwanted pregnancy, or contacted an STD.

The pill is taking down our culture.

What a typically stupid statement.

What would happen if every woman was on the pill and stayed on
the pill?

What would happen if Peter Cottentail took out a hit against
Santa Claus on Christmas Eve and yadda, yadda, yadda... Your
question is just that meaningless.

No, it's not meaningless.

Yes, it's just plain meaningless.

No, it's not. It has an answer...the answer you don't want.

'
Nope, it's 100% meaningless. A question that is based on an
imposiblity is just meaningless.

In the real world, where most of us live,

such occurrences don't happen, nor even come close to happening.

You dishonestly snipped the other part in which I gave the answer.

The question was meaningless, so they answer was just as meaningless.

You can dodge it all you want,

I

mean what would happen if the moon suddenly took a header into the
Atlantic? Woooo.. I'm scared now! Your question was nothing more
than rhetorical nonsense.

Naa, it was just too much for ya.

Amongst Catholics who didn't live together before marriage,
and who don't use contraception, the divorce rate is so low
that it is effectively zero.

LOL! Yeah, the church simply refuses to recognize all of the
legal divorces. They pretend that they don't exist.

Because they believe that once a couple is married..in the eyes
of God, it's until death do them part.

Studies show that the divorce rate is slightly higher in the
"Bible Belt" red states.

Yea, and studies show that the reason for that is because "per
capita" the higher percentages are people who are religious.

Yes, that's what I said. The higher percentage of those who are
religious equate to a higher divorce rate.

So NATURALLY
those studies are going to show that.

Of course

It doesn't appear that people of relgion give that whole "death

do us part" thing much more than lip service.

Again, you have to look at those studies and be cautious.

I have. And it distinctly shows a corelation between the
percentage of religious, and the percentage of divorces, teen
pregnancies, and other factors.


They can say

one thing, and mean anything you want them to. All you have to do
is just put the right spin on it. And in this case, you are doing
just that.

There's no spin involved, the hard numbers are quite accurate.

Yes, there is a spin involved. You are taking a study done in an
area where you are going to get the results you are looking for.
Just so you can attempt to associate religion and divorce rates.

Nope, there was no spin involved.

Again, the honesty factor is something you are not familiar

But, you have no respect for any religion so naturally you are
going to mock them.

Religion barely has respect for itself, and from a historical
perspective it has given no respect to others. Why would they
demand respect when they have been so unwilling to give respect?

I don't know about you, but I know MANY theist who give out a
great deal of respect, a lot more than some atheist I know.

I wasn't quite as narrow in my scope as to just be thinking "ME ME
ME!", but from a long term historical perspective. Religionists
are notorious "ME ME ME!" types though. You have to earn
respect, and Christianity just hasn't done so.

Christianity in itself is wonderful.

Tell that to my Native American Ancestors. Again, Christianity has
done nothing to earn respect.

You confuse a "religion" with a "person".