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BISHOP SAYS JESUS A HOMOSEXUAL |
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be
'struck down by thunder and lightning bolts’
His comments, made in a recent address at the Christ
Church of Hamilton and Wenham in Massachusetts, have
enraged traditional Anglicans who have suggested that the
Bishop should be "struck down by thunder and lightning
bolts". Bishop Robinson, whose consecration in 2003
triggered a schism between evangelicals and liberals in
the worldwide Anglican Communion, was giving an address
entitled "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There
a New Way?"
In answer to a question from the congregation about how
the acceptance of homosexuality could be squared with the
scriptural emphasis on redemption for sins, the Bishop
replied: "Interestingly enough, in this day of
traditional family values, this man that we follow was
single, as far as we know, travelled with a bunch of men,
had a disciple who was known as 'the one whom Jesus
loved' and said my family is not my mother and father, my
family is those who do the will of God. None of us likes
those harsh words. That's who Jesus is, that's who he was
at heart, in his earthly life.
''Those who would posit the nuclear family as the be all
and end all of God's creation probably don't find that
much in the gospels to support it," he said.
David Virtue, an evangelical commentator who runs the
influential conservative Anglican website, VirtueOnline,
called the comments "rubbish".
He said: "It is appalling deconstructionism from the
liberal lobby which will spin even the remotest thing to
turn it into a hint that Biblical figures are gay. It is
so utterly preposterous to imply that Jesus's
relationship with John was homo-erotic, but twisting the
truth is the only way these people can get scriptural
justification for their lifestyles. Can you imagine
Calvin, Luther or Erasmus saying something like this? It
is a wonder that thunder and lightning bolts don't strike
Bishop Robinson down."
Mr Virtue also said that passages in which Bishop
Robinson compared the loneliness of being gay to a black
person being called "a *****" were "deeply offensive".
The comments came at the end of a sermon in which Bishop
Robinson dispensed with his notes and spoke freely of his
experiences growing up as a homosexual. In one passage he
recalled a Playboy magazine being handed around his
classmates and realising that it was causing them "a
whole lot more excitement" than it was for him.
"I was terrified in high school, especially dreading the
10th grade [for 16-year-olds] when we would go into a gym
class and have to go into the showers and I was
absolutely terrified that I would get beaten to a bloody
pulp if something happened in the showers that might
indicate in some way that I was erotically attracted to
boys my own age," he continued.
"It was a very lonely place to be. At least if you're
black and you're called a *****, you can go home to your
mother and father and say, 'Oh my god, they called me a
***** today', and the parents have had the same
experience. But a young kid growing up terribly fearful
that he or she might be gay can't go home to the parents
because of the consequences."
Bishop Robinson, who married his partner, Mark, said that
he had come to reconcile his sexuality with his faith and
could feel "God's light and God's life ooze over me like
warm butter".
Canon Chris Sugden, a spokesman for the evangelical
organisation, Anglican Mainstream, said: "He's really
selective in what he's addressing. He makes no mention of
Jesus's teaching on marriage, for instance. And he does
not acknowledge that nowhere in the text or in ancient
literature is there any suggestion of any form of sexual
impropriety among Jesus or the disciples. Jesus broke the
cultural traditions of the time and has women mixing with
men in public and having them teaching. Those of us who
put scripture as a priority are called on to obey the
scripture even when that is in conflict with our culture.
"Bishop Robinson is saying that the culture has moved in
his direction and that it's all becoming accepted, so
he's looking for ways to interpret scripture to support
that instead of realising that scripture asks us to do
the unpopular thing and stand against the prevailing
culture."
This is not the first time that it has been suggested
Jesus might have been gay. In 1977 Mary Whitehouse, the
moral campaigner, brought a private prosecution against
the Gay News for publishing a poem by Professor James
Kirkup called The Love That Dares To Speak Its Name. The
poem depicted a centurion's love for Christ and the
newspaper was fined under the blasphemy laws.
Mike Barwell, a spokesman for Bishop Robinson, said:
"Jesus was a non-traditional person who broke all the
rules and hung out with all the wrong people. Anything
else that people infer from the Bishop's comments is all
speculation."
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12 Apr 2005 05:43:27 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
Not really . . . read on . . .
http://www.dallasvoice.com/articles/dispArticle.cfm?Article_ID=5906
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Gay bishop says his remark was misconstrued
Robinson says he meant Jesus led an unorthodox life, not that he was
gay
By Tim McCahill
Associated Press
CONCORD, N.H. — The first openly gay Episcopal bishop said
Tuesday he is being falsely accused of suggesting Jesus might have been
homosexual.
The allegations arose from Web log comments posted after Bishop
V. Gene Robinson’s remarks at a Feb. 13 forum on sexual issues at Christ
Church in Hamilton, Mass.
“[Jesus] lived a very untraditional lifestyle,’’ Robinson told
the Associated Press. “Which is not to say that I in any way asserted that
he was gay, or anything about his sexual orientation.’’
Robinson told the New Hampshire Union Leader he is “being
flooded with angry messages’’ because of his forum comments. He said he was
making the point that the nuclear family is a relatively new idea and that,
even for his time, Jesus apparently led a nontraditional life.
“What I recall is that the question was trying to get me to say
that Jesus affirmed the nuclear family as the only way a family can be,’’
Robinson said. “I was just pointing out that you best check Scripture again
before you use the life of Jesus to try to pronounce a blessing on that.’’
Recordings from the forum are on the church’s Web site.
“Interestingly enough, in this day of traditional family values
and so on,’’ Robinson says in one of the recordings, “this man that we
follow ... was single as far as we know; who traveled with a bunch of men,
although there were lots of women around; who had a disciple who was known
as ‘the one whom Jesus loved’; who said my family is not my mother and
father, my family are those who do the will of God — none of us like those
harsh words. That’s who Jesus is, that’s who he was, at least in his earthly
life.’’
Robinson married and had two daughters before accepting his own
homosexuality. He has lived for years with his male partner.
“I happen to think the traditional family is a wonderful thing.
I’m a product of it,’’ Robinson said at the forum. “I dearly love my family,
and I love my own family, with my own two kids. It just looks a little
nontraditional. But this Jesus, when you ask who is Jesus, he was not
terribly mainstream, was he?’’
David Virtue, who runs what he describes as an orthodox online
Anglican news service, apparently was the first to accuse Robinson of
suggesting Jesus was gay.
“He is a person who wants the Anglican Communion to recognize
the conservatives in the Episcopal church as the real Anglican Communion in
the United States,’’ Robinson said. “That’s his goal, and he is willing to
write and say almost anything to achieve that goal.’’
Virtue responded that Robinson’s forum comments were part of the
“gay agenda’’ that would end up splitting the worldwide Anglican Communion.
“They’re all pushing the envelope as far as they can,’’ said
Virtue, who is based in West Chester, Pa.
The Episcopal Church, with 2.4 million members, is the U.S.
branch of the 77 million-member Anglican Communion, which traces its roots
to the Church of England. The church has been roiled by controversy since
Robinson’s ordination in 2003.
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12 Apr 2005 08:32:51 AM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
And atheists might be interested in this because ?????
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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14 Apr 2005 02:06:34 AM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be
'struck down by thunder and lightning bolts'
It is obviously true that Jesus did not live a standard,
heterosexual family life, and truly loved his apostles, and
had a special relationship with John.
That doesn't imply that Jesus didn't uphold the family, or was
physically homosexual. Rather it suggests that he cannot be
understood by an attitude of rigid, narrow-minded thinking, in
which one chosen way must always be a condemnation of any other
chosen way. How could the Son of God, the Creator, not uphold
procreation and family life?
If there can be such a thing as a valid homosexuality, that
doesn't mean that every homosexuality is valid. The ugly,
pornographic chaos through which modern homosexuality is
portrayed to the world has nothing to do with God, and is
certainly not a valid homosexuality.
I would also say that, if a valid homosexuality existed, it
would have an entirely different purpose to heterosexuality,
and procreation, such that the present homosexual imitation
of heterosexual family life should be regarded as an
invalid travesty and parody of both.
Alen
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14 Apr 2005 05:24:03 AM |
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wrote:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be
'struck down by thunder and lightning bolts'
It is obviously true that Jesus did not live a standard,
heterosexual family life, and truly loved his apostles, and
had a special relationship with John.
That doesn't imply that Jesus didn't uphold the family, or was
physically homosexual.
True. So, why do people have an interest in portraying Jesus
differently from what he probably was? For instance, why haven't I seen
a movie where he's played by Eli Wallach; why does he always look like
Thor or some such god out of Valhalla?
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15 Apr 2005 02:09:12 PM |
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a...@westserv.net.au wrote:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay
bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be
'struck down by thunder and lightning bolts'
It is obviously true that Jesus did not live a standard,
heterosexual family life, and truly loved his apostles, and
had a special relationship with John.
That doesn't imply that Jesus didn't uphold the family, or was
physically homosexual.
True. So, why do people have an interest in portraying Jesus
differently from what he probably was? For instance, why haven't I
seen
a movie where he's played by Eli Wallach; why does he always look
like
Thor or some such god out of Valhalla?
There is a modern visionary (Sr Faustina) to whom Jesus
appeared in a vision and asked her to have a picture of
Him painted. This picture is posted at the following website:
http://groups.msn.com/makingabetterworld/3oclockprayer.msnw
alen
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17 Apr 2005 06:22:27 PM |
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wrote:
ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
a...@westserv.net.au wrote:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay
bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
Traditionalists have suggested that the Bishop should be
'struck down by thunder and lightning bolts'
It is obviously true that Jesus did not live a standard,
heterosexual family life, and truly loved his apostles, and
had a special relationship with John.
That doesn't imply that Jesus didn't uphold the family, or was
physically homosexual.
True. So, why do people have an interest in portraying Jesus
differently from what he probably was? For instance, why haven't I
seen a movie where he's played by Eli Wallach; why does he always
look
like Thor or some such god out of Valhalla?
There is a modern visionary (Sr Faustina) to whom Jesus
appeared in a vision and asked her to have a picture of
Him painted. This picture is posted at the following website:
http://groups.msn.com/makingabetterworld/3oclockprayer.msnw
He looks Nordic there. Why do no pictures depicting him as a
medium-build brown man with a bulbous nose and a scraggly beard?
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18 Apr 2005 03:07:19 AM |
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There is a modern visionary (Sr Faustina) to whom Jesus
appeared in a vision and asked her to have a picture of
Him painted. This picture is posted at the following website:
http://groups.msn.com/makingabetterworld/3oclockprayer.msnw
He looks Nordic there. Why do no pictures depicting him as a
medium-build brown man with a bulbous nose and a scraggly beard?
Why don't you accept Him as He is? Or does
your remark mean that you don't believe that
the vision was really true? There is no difficulty
that prevents Jesus showing Himself to anyone
in a vision if He chooses.
Alen
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18 Apr 2005 08:12:42 AM |
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"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in message
news:1113793639.648104.73650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a modern visionary (Sr Faustina) to whom Jesus
appeared in a vision and asked her to have a picture of
Him painted. This picture is posted at the following website:
http://groups.msn.com/makingabetterworld/3oclockprayer.msnw
He looks Nordic there. Why do no pictures depicting him as a
medium-build brown man with a bulbous nose and a scraggly beard?
Why don't you accept Him as He is? Or does
your remark mean that you don't believe that
the vision was really true? There is no difficulty
that prevents Jesus showing Himself to anyone
in a vision if He chooses.
Alen
Everyone always gets upset when someone says aloud what most have privately
wondered.......
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18 Apr 2005 03:16:31 PM |
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iceman wrote:
He looks Nordic there. Why do no pictures depicting him as a
medium-build brown man with a bulbous nose and a scraggly beard?
Why don't you accept Him as He is? Or does
your remark mean that you don't believe that
the vision was really true? There is no difficulty
that prevents Jesus showing Himself to anyone
in a vision if He chooses.
Everyone always gets upset when someone says aloud what most have
privately
wondered.......
I am not sure what you mean, or which of us you
are referring to!
Alen
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19 Apr 2005 04:12:32 AM |
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alen wrote:
ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
There is a modern visionary (Sr Faustina) to whom Jesus
appeared in a vision and asked her to have a picture of
Him painted. This picture is posted at the following website:
http://groups.msn.com/makingabetterworld/3oclockprayer.msnw
He looks Nordic there. Why do no pictures depict him as a
medium-build brown man with a bulbous nose and a scraggly beard?
Why don't you accept Him as He is?
As dead, worm-eaten, etc.? Why don't you accept him that way?
Or does
your remark mean that you don't believe that
the vision was really true?
If you saw a vision of Moses and he looked just like Charelton Heston,
blue eyes and all, would you believe it to be true? If you saw a vision
of Mary and she looked just like Whoopi Goldberg, would you believe it
to be true?
There is no difficulty
that prevents Jesus showing Himself to anyone
in a vision if He chooses.
Excellent. Then, he should have no difficulty posting an explanation as
to why he looks the way he does in that painting.
Alen
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12 Apr 2005 03:16:13 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj>
He said: <snip> It is a wonder that thunder and lightning bolts don't strike > Bishop Robinson down."
Gee, could that possibly be because god does not exist, and therefore
cannot smite the blasphemous?
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13 Apr 2005 05:45:00 AM |
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"Dean" <dionysus_2112@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Jai Maharaj>
He said: <snip> It is a wonder that thunder and lightning bolts don't
strike > Bishop Robinson down."
Gee, could that possibly be because god does not exist, and therefore
cannot smite the blasphemous?
Which makes blasphemy a victimless crime.
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13 Apr 2005 08:43:07 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Dean" <dionysus_2112@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Jai Maharaj>
He said: <snip> It is a wonder that thunder and lightning bolts don't
strike > Bishop Robinson down."
Gee, could that possibly be because god does not exist, and therefore
cannot smite the blasphemous?
Which makes blasphemy a victimless crime.
Except that it hurts the theists' feelings. *sniff sniff*touches hanky
to eye*
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15 Apr 2005 11:36:50 AM |
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Not evidence that he was a homosexual.
Here is the problem. Homosexuality was against Jewish law, punishable by
death. When Jesus was on trial before the Jewish High Priest and the Jewish
Ruling council, the biblical record states that the religious leaders were
trying to obtain false testimony in order to put him to death, but they
could not find any evidence strong enough to do so, even with false
testimony! (Matthew 26)
They ultimately got their evidence when they got Jesus to testify that He
was the Son of God and the Messiah. Since this was a claim to being God,
they considered this blasphemy, for which the penalty was also death.
However, Jewish law forbid guilty verdicts without a minimum of two to three
eyewitnesses, and also forbid the defendant from furnishing evidence against
Himself. Therefore, the only way to carry out their plot to kill Jesus was
to take the risk of an illegal trial and using illegal evidence.
If there were any evidence that Jesus was a homosexual, they would have
gladly used this against Him.
Since they could not bring any such evidence against Jesus then, I doubt
that this bishop has any evidence now.
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:JOiHO1528IzDhe@ZyiIv...
Jesus might have been homosexual, says the first openly gay bishop
By Elizabeth Day
The Telegraph
(Filed: 03/04/2005)
The first openly gay Anglican bishop has sparked outrage
for suggesting that Jesus might have been homosexual.
The Rt Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire in
the Episcopal Church of the United States, said that
Jesus was an unmarried, "non-traditional man" who did not
uphold family values, "travelled with a bunch of men" and
enjoyed an especially close relationship with one of his
disciples.
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