Religions > Atheism > Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
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http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops overwhelmingly
approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why same-sex unions should not
be given the social or legal status of marriage.
Meeting in Washington, the bishops adopted the statement, "Between Man and
Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions," by a vote
of 234-3.
Introducing the statement the day before, Bishop J. Kevin Boland of
Savannah, Ga., chairman of the USCCB Committee on Marriage and Family, said
it was intended, "first and foremost, to help our Catholic people
participate in the current social debate about marriage."
The 2,000-word statement says marriage between a man and a woman is God's
plan, seen in nature and in divine revelation.
"Marriage, whose nature and purposes are established by God, can only be the
union of a man and a woman and must remain such in law," it says.
"A same-sex union contradicts the nature of marriage," it says. "It is not
based on the natural complementarity of male and female; it cannot cooperate
with God to create new life; and the natural purpose of sexual union cannot
be achieved by a same-sex union."
Speaking of the social importance of preserving marriage, it says: "Across
times, cultures and very different religious beliefs, marriage is the
foundation of the family. The family, in turn, is the basic unit of society.
Thus, marriage is a personal relationship with public significance."
It adds, "The state rightly recognizes this relationship as a public
institution in its laws because the relationship makes a unique and
essential contribution to the common good."
The bishops had to make an exception to their usual rules of procedure to
put the marriage statement on the fall agenda on an expedited basis, barely
two months after the decision to write it. Ordinarily it takes six months to
a year to develop such statements under standard conference procedures.
Bishop Wilton D. Gregory of Belleville, Ill., USCCB president, told the
bishops that "rapid developments, both social and legal, which attempt to
equate such (same-sex) unions with marriage between a man and a woman" led
the USCCB Administrative Committee in September to seek development of the
statement in time for the November meeting.
The 47-bishop Administrative Committee, the highest body in the USCCB short
of a general assembly of the bishops, issued a public policy statement in
September calling for a constitutional amendment to protect the unique
social and legal status of marriage as a union of a man and a woman.
The committee also recognized "the importance of restating in a clear,
understandable and unequivocal way the meaning of marriage, its purposes and
its value to individuals, families and societies," Bishop Gregory said.
For that reason it asked Bishop Boland's committee, in consultation with the
Committee on Doctrine, to draft a statement in which the bishops could
explain the church's stand to Catholics and other Americans.
In a preliminary presentation of the statement Nov. 11 Bishop Boland said,
"This statement has one main purpose, namely, to express the Catholic
Church's core belief and teaching about marriage and then apply it to the
current debate about extending marriage to include the legal recognition of
same-sex unions."
He said the proposed statement was "educational and catechetical" and was
"not meant to be a detailed theological treatise, public policy statement or
legal argument."
"It strives to show that marriage is directly related to the common good of
society," he said. "This point is essential. Marriage, by being true to its
God-given nature and purposes, makes a unique and irreplaceable contribution
to the common good.
"It is a public institution, not simply a lifestyle choice made by two
people who can give it whatever meaning they wish," he added.
The statement is to be published in brochure form, with plans for wide
distribution in parishes.
Initiatives to change the traditional legal definition of marriage have
arisen in several U.S. states and in a number of other countries in recent
years.
In 2000, a Vermont law established same-sex civil unions as the legal
equivalent of marriage after the Vermont Supreme Court ruled that it was a
violation of the state constitution to deny same-sex couples the benefits
that married couples have.
U.S. attention in recent months has focused on a similar legal challenge
under consideration by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
In response to an increasing number of such initiatives around the world,
the Vatican July 31 declared that same-sex unions were contrary to human
nature and ultimately harmful to society.
It called on lawmakers to offer "clear and emphatic opposition" to any
change in the unique status of marriage.
"The denial of the social and legal status of marriage to forms of
cohabitation that are not and cannot be marital is not opposed to justice;
on the contrary, justice requires it," the Vatican document said.
The statement adopted by the U.S. bishops addresses the same question.
"It is not unjust to deny legal status to same-sex unions because marriage
and same-sex unions are essentially different realities," it says.
"To uphold God's intent for marriage, in which sexual relations have their
proper and exclusive place, is not to offend the dignity of homosexual
persons," it adds. "Christians must give witness to the whole moral truth
and oppose as immoral both homosexual acts and unjust discrimination against
homosexual persons."
"The state has an obligation to promote the family, which is rooted in
marriage," it says. "Therefore, it can justly give married couples rights
and benefits it does not extend to others. ... It would be wrong to redefine
marriage for the sake of providing benefits to those who cannot rightfully
enter into marriage."
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J Young
jyoungvisions@aol.com
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16 Dec 2007 01:01:15 AM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> writes:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops overwhelmingly
approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why same-sex unions should not
be given the social or legal status of marriage.
These Catholic bishops deserve exactly the same treatment as anyone
else who tries to influence politics, including being subjected to all
the mud slinging. As Harry Truman once said, "If you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen."
They can say all they want about theology, but if they want to interfere
in other people's lives, those individuals have every right to push back
as hard as the law allows.
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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25 Dec 2007 10:34:53 AM |
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On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops overwhelmingly
approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why same-sex unions should not
be given the social or legal status of marriage.
These Catholic bishops deserve exactly the same treatment as anyone
else who tries to influence politics, including being subjected to all
the mud slinging. As Harry Truman once said, "If you can't stand the
heat, get out of the kitchen."
They can say all they want about theology, but if they want to interfere
in other people's lives, those individuals have every right to push back
as hard as the law allows.
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
Michael
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29 Dec 2007 04:32:31 PM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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30 Dec 2007 02:23:30 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8763yh6shb.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it bothe
ways.
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| User: "No One" |
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30 Dec 2007 02:31:28 PM |
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"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8763yh6shb.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it bothe
ways.
What the hell are you babbling about? It's obviously the religious guys
who want to have their cake and eat it too.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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31 Dec 2007 02:41:46 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:87ir2fapr3.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8763yh6shb.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it bothe
ways.
What the hell are you babbling about? It's obviously the religious guys
who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Obviously. I was making an ironic comment; i.e. it appears that they are
having it both ways as wrong, illegal and immoral as that is.
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| User: "No One" |
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31 Dec 2007 10:44:46 AM |
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"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:87ir2fapr3.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8763yh6shb.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it bothe
ways.
What the hell are you babbling about? It's obviously the religious guys
who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Obviously. I was making an ironic comment; i.e. it appears that they are
having it both ways as wrong, illegal and immoral as that is.
Ooops, I thought you were disagreeing with what I posted - was a bit
jet lagged when I read it and responded. :-)
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| User: "thomas p." |
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31 Dec 2007 01:36:32 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:87ve6eizhp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:87ir2fapr3.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8763yh6shb.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit
in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it
thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics. We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church
lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to
pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should
lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'.
BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after
a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it
bothe
ways.
What the hell are you babbling about? It's obviously the religious
guys
who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Obviously. I was making an ironic comment; i.e. it appears that they are
having it both ways as wrong, illegal and immoral as that is.
Ooops, I thought you were disagreeing with what I posted - was a bit
jet lagged when I read it and responded. :-)
That's okay. I made a mistake once myself : )
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| User: "A Concerned Citizen" |
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31 Dec 2007 04:52:13 AM |
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The Bishops are right when they say say sex marriages are not equal to
heterosexual marriages because for all practical purposes you can't be
homosexual and Catholic. It means that homosexual marriages are not
bound by the church because the church doesn't want them so they are
definitely more equal!
Social and legal status includes things like the right to visit in
a hospital, the Catholic Church deserves to be told off if it thinks
it has any right to interfere in the lives of people are who not
Catholics.
Every Catholic is told directly or indirectly by Pope what to believe
and what to do.
That means Catholic everybody, judges, lawyers, Catholic practicing
criminals.
We can start by demanding that the Catholic Church lose
its tax-exempt status - if it wants to lobby, it should have to pay
for it in after-tax dollars just like everyone else.
Catholics have everything they want and life is still very difficult for
them.
So then if churches host presidential candidates, they should lose
their tax-exempt status?
If it participates in a political campaign, the answer is 'yes'. BTW,
the IRS went after one church just because the minister made some
vague statement about the war in Iraq. If they agressively go after a
church for that (a point of view not consistent with the
administration's politics, even if expressed in a non-political
context), they damn well should be required to apply the same
standards to all religious organizations.
You can't have it both ways.
Without being too funny, many Priests have been having it both ways
since the beginning of time.
Well, more precisely expressed, you should not be able to have it bothe
ways.
Well, what job on the planet is currently exclusively single males -
that of being a Priest.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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31 Dec 2007 11:10:47 AM |
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A Concerned Citizen wrote:
The Bishops are right when they say say sex marriages are not equal to
heterosexual marriages because for all practical purposes you can't be
homosexual and Catholic. It means that homosexual marriages are not
bound by the church because the church doesn't want them so they are
definitely more equal!
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That means Catholic everybody, judges, lawyers, Catholic practicing
criminals.
Now this has always amused me. "Homosexual? You're breaking the rules and can't be X."
(Doesn't have to be Catholicism.) And just a little later... "Criminals? They can be
Catholics." (Why bother honoring those pesky Commandments after all?)
And the ***** of it? The Catholics actively recruited homosexuals. "We can help you with
your impulses, channel them into the service of the Lord..." At times they made
homosexuality into a benefit, they'd not be tempted with women after all... And then moved
them into all-male conclaves.
"Don't lead us into temptation, Lord. The Church is seeing to that."
If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us
attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
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| User: "No One" |
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31 Dec 2007 11:59:51 AM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> writes:
<snip>
Now this has always amused me. "Homosexual? You're breaking the rules
and can't be X." (Doesn't have to be Catholicism.) And just a little
later... "Criminals? They can be Catholics." (Why bother honoring
those pesky Commandments after all?)
And the ***** of it? The Catholics actively recruited homosexuals. "We
can help you with your impulses, channel them into the service of the
Lord..." At times they made homosexuality into a benefit, they'd not
be tempted with women after all... And then moved them into all-male
conclaves.
"Don't lead us into temptation, Lord. The Church is seeing to that."
If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.
You are missing the whole point. :-) The Catholic Church sells
forgiviness of sins, and what better way to rake in the bucks than
to make people feel guilty over what comes naturally! So of course
they have a thing about sex and about making people feel guilty over
sex. It's good marketing for the product they sell.
Let's see you top that for cynicism. :-)
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01 Jan 2008 11:59:28 AM |
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No One wrote:
Let's see you top that for cynicism. :-)
Microsoft.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
It's going to be fun to see how long the meek can keep the earth when they inherit it.
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| User: "No One" |
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01 Jan 2008 04:46:38 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> writes:
No One wrote:
Let's see you top that for cynicism. :-)
Microsoft.
Microsoft is predatory, not cynical.
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02 Jan 2008 07:09:42 PM |
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No One wrote:
Microsoft is predatory, not cynical.
Ah, never used Microsoft Paint?
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
For what it's worth, the whole Pauline tradition of drinking the blood of Jesus at holy
communion is in violation of the law that says drinking blood is an abomination. They say
it's only symbolic blood, so it's no more than symbolic abomination though.
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02 Jan 2008 07:59:05 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> writes:
No One wrote:
Microsoft is predatory, not cynical.
Ah, never used Microsoft Paint?
I live in a Microsoft-free home. Microsoft is off my personal approved
vendor list.
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17 Dec 2007 10:09:52 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:01:15 +0000, No One wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> writes:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
overwhelmingly approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why
same-sex unions should not be given the social or legal status of
marriage.
These Catholic bishops deserve exactly the same treatment as anyone else
who tries to influence politics, including being subjected to all the
mud slinging.
I'm starting to understand why Mexico used to have such restrictive laws
regulating the Catholic church...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Let me get this straight: You believe that a cosmic Jewish
zombie who was his own father will let you live forever
if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, and
telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master,
so he can remove an evil force from your soul that he put
there a long time ago as punishment for all humanity because
a rib-woman made from a dust-man was convinced by a talking
snake to eat fruit from a magical tree.
- Unknown
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17 Dec 2007 08:39:31 PM |
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On Dec 17, 11:09=C2=A0am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:01:15 +0000, No One wrote:
"J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> writes:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=3D28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
overwhelmingly approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why
same-sex unions should not be given the social or legal status of
marriage.
These Catholic bishops deserve exactly the same treatment as anyone else=
who tries to influence politics, including being subjected to all the
mud slinging.
I'm starting to understand why Mexico used to have such restrictive laws
regulating the Catholic church...
--
Mark K. Bilbo =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a.a. =
#1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Let me get this straight: You believe that a cosmic Jewish
zombie who was his own father will let you live forever
if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, and
telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master,
so he can remove an evil force from your soul that he put
there a long time ago as punishment for all humanity because
a rib-woman made from a dust-man was convinced by a talking
snake to eat fruit from a magical tree.
- Unknown
On Dec 12, 6:54 pm, ScottyFLL posing as James Riske
jamesari...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 2:48 pm, bobandcarole <bobandcarole...@gmail.com> wrote:
***** salberg is jealous of my superior intelligence
Unlikely. =EF=BF=BDIntelligence recognizes intelligence.
Just like Intelligence recognizes that you are not the real
James Riske? Let's discuss intelligence, We can start with
this:
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--***** ScottyFLL
Another of your "intelligent" and factual statements?
Shall we discuss your "lawsuit" that never happened?
He also makes idle threats regarding lawsuits against
the people that shove his depraved homosexual ways
down his throat:
"I threatened suit, you changed your illegal
behavior because you're a scared little *****,
and I let it go"--Documented liar ScottyFLL
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/c77847ce4ccc4e4e?dmod...
God, you gave usenet many laughs with that rambling tirade,
Mr Einstein :-) Another case of being "so intelligent we couldn't
even see it"...LOL!!!!!
And explain why I have your whole family history and you have
a big fat zero. We know you've been looking. My advice to you
is to resign yourself to posting porn because your intelligence
just
doesn't cut the mustard. Stick to the minor leagues where you
belong. Look at it this way, being slow and stupid isn't a sin,
neither is having a sow for a mother...Oink
Oink....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's Scott Salbergs fat sow of a mother, Sharon Scharf:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/304/0006phototy4.jpg
Scott Allen Salberg is a vile mother fucker to be sure.
He also aspires to be a cowardly netKKKop, threatening
to report anyone that disagrees with his sick lifestyle.
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--***** ScottyFLL
And did you know he's "so superior to you that you can't even see it"
"I am so superior to you that you can't even see it"~ScottyFLL whines
after
another usenet japslap.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/4189ad9...
He's also a member of the most grotesque family of mutants
I've ever had the pleasure to laugh at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/a/l/Scott-A-Salberg/inde...
/}
@###{ ]::::::bobandcarole::::::>
\}
Cutting ***** Scott Salberg to pieces daily
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
15 Dec 2007 09:55:15 PM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net...
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops overwhelmingly
approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why same-sex unions should
not be given the social or legal status of marriage.
Meeting in Washington, the bishops adopted the statement, "Between Man and
Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions," by a
vote of 234-3.
Introducing the statement the day before, Bishop J. Kevin Boland of
Savannah, Ga., chairman of the USCCB Committee on Marriage and Family,
said it was intended, "first and foremost, to help our Catholic people
participate in the current social debate about marriage."
The 2,000-word statement says marriage between a man and a woman is God's
plan, seen in nature and in divine revelation.
Other animals get married? How about corn? Does corn get married? "You see,
Virginia, when a stalk of corn loves another stalk of corn very very
much..."
"Seen in nature" my *****.
This idiot should be in a padded cell.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
17 Dec 2007 11:21:28 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:IqOdnblS9tE5PPnanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@io.com...
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net...
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
overwhelmingly approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why same-sex
unions should not be given the social or legal status of marriage.
Meeting in Washington, the bishops adopted the statement, "Between Man
and Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions," by
a vote of 234-3.
Introducing the statement the day before, Bishop J. Kevin Boland of
Savannah, Ga., chairman of the USCCB Committee on Marriage and Family,
said it was intended, "first and foremost, to help our Catholic people
participate in the current social debate about marriage."
The 2,000-word statement says marriage between a man and a woman is God's
plan, seen in nature and in divine revelation.
Other animals get married? How about corn? Does corn get married? "You
see, Virginia, when a stalk of corn loves another stalk of corn very very
much..."
"Seen in nature" my *****.
This idiot should be in a padded cell.
Seriously - Not to mention that not too many Catlicks hold marriage as
being all that sacred - especially when you can get it wiped off of the
church's records for enough money. Just ask my mother-in-law - She did it.
Only cost her $2,000. Such a deal!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
18 Dec 2007 08:21:47 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:21:28 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:IqOdnblS9tE5PPnanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@io.com...
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net...
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
overwhelmingly approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why
same-sex unions should not be given the social or legal status of
marriage.
Meeting in Washington, the bishops adopted the statement, "Between Man
and Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions,"
by a vote of 234-3.
Introducing the statement the day before, Bishop J. Kevin Boland of
Savannah, Ga., chairman of the USCCB Committee on Marriage and Family,
said it was intended, "first and foremost, to help our Catholic people
participate in the current social debate about marriage."
The 2,000-word statement says marriage between a man and a woman is
God's plan, seen in nature and in divine revelation.
Other animals get married? How about corn? Does corn get married? "You
see, Virginia, when a stalk of corn loves another stalk of corn very
very much..."
"Seen in nature" my *****.
This idiot should be in a padded cell.
Seriously - Not to mention that not too many Catlicks hold marriage as
being all that sacred - especially when you can get it wiped off of the
church's records for enough money. Just ask my mother-in-law - She did
it. Only cost her $2,000. Such a deal!
See? That's why they put "god" on the money. Cash can do miracles...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Let me get this straight: You believe that a cosmic Jewish
zombie who was his own father will let you live forever
if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, and
telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master,
so he can remove an evil force from your soul that he put
there a long time ago as punishment for all humanity because
a rib-woman made from a dust-man was convinced by a talking
snake to eat fruit from a magical tree.
- Unknown
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
18 Dec 2007 10:35:34 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:rk1l35-cg.ln1@eac.exists.not...
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:21:28 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:IqOdnblS9tE5PPnanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@io.com...
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net...
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
overwhelmingly approved a short teaching document Nov. 12 on why
same-sex unions should not be given the social or legal status of
marriage.
Meeting in Washington, the bishops adopted the statement, "Between Man
and Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions,"
by a vote of 234-3.
Introducing the statement the day before, Bishop J. Kevin Boland of
Savannah, Ga., chairman of the USCCB Committee on Marriage and Family,
said it was intended, "first and foremost, to help our Catholic people
participate in the current social debate about marriage."
The 2,000-word statement says marriage between a man and a woman is
God's plan, seen in nature and in divine revelation.
Other animals get married? How about corn? Does corn get married? "You
see, Virginia, when a stalk of corn loves another stalk of corn very
very much..."
"Seen in nature" my *****.
This idiot should be in a padded cell.
Seriously - Not to mention that not too many Catlicks hold marriage as
being all that sacred - especially when you can get it wiped off of the
church's records for enough money. Just ask my mother-in-law - She did
it. Only cost her $2,000. Such a deal!
See? That's why they put "god" on the money. Cash can do miracles...
So it would seem <cough>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
16 Dec 2007 12:08:31 PM |
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"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1
@news.alt.net:
Subject: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
Translation:
Unmarried virgin pedophile protectors want to distract you from their
buddies' molestation trials.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
16 Dec 2007 12:11:00 PM |
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In News Xns9A087B888B894askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18,, Doc Smartass at
gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com, typed this:
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote in news:1fuqld.4ic.17.1
@news.alt.net:
Subject: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
Translation:
Unmarried virgin pedophile protectors want to distract you from their
buddies' molestation trials.
LOL! Too true. I would have thought that the Catholics would have realized
by this time just how much of a credibility gap has opened up between them
and the rest of the world. No one is really listening to their constant
harrangues, and won't until they clean up their own yards.
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take away everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
16 Dec 2007 02:18:52 AM |
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In article <1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net>,
"J Young" <jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
OK, so bishops shouldn't marry each other.
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John #1782
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
20 Dec 2007 10:57:11 AM |
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In article <1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net>, J Young
<jyoungvisions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
What would Catholic Bishops know about marriage? It's like asking any
male what he knows about menstruation.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
15 Dec 2007 09:33:18 PM |
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In our last episode, <1fuqld.4ic.17.1@news.alt.net>, the lovely and talented
J Young broadcast on alt.atheism:
"The state has an obligation to promote the family, which is rooted in
marriage," it says. "Therefore, it can justly give married couples rights
and benefits it does not extend to others. ... It would be wrong to redefine
marriage for the sake of providing benefits to those who cannot rightfully
enter into marriage."
No wonder these guys loved Hitler so much and vice versa. Now that they
have a Hitler Youth on the throne of St. Peter, they have got to be on cloud
nine.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/>
Countdown: 401 days to go.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
16 Dec 2007 04:51:16 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
The bishops have also said that women are inferior, the earth is flat, witches exist, the
earth is only 4,000 years old, championed slavery, and have generally been just flat-out
wrong for thousands of years.
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And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
One of the problems with monotheism is that it isolates evil. Because we cannot accept the
idea that there is evil in our God, there is a danger that we will not be able to endure
it in ourselves. It can then be pushed away and made monstrous and inhuman, leading
ultimately to commencement of atrocities by the faithful for the ironic purpose of
"purging evil." (Inquisition and such.)
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
16 Dec 2007 02:49:08 AM |
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On 16 Dez., 04:09, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
And we care about what men wearing dresses who will never get married
say in which way exactly?
Do you seriously think, sack-of-*****, that someone, after reading your
moronic posting, will ever change his opinion?
If anything, J Young, I make a point in systematically thinking the
opposite of you: that makes me open-minded, tolerant, decent and,
quite frankly, much closer from your sect than you. How about that,
nazi turd?
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
17 Dec 2007 10:54:11 AM |
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On Dec 15, 10:09 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
And, just how would he know?
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| User: "Scruffy McScruffovitch" |
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| Title: Re: Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage |
17 Dec 2007 07:00:28 PM |
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In News 1258a0db-9bac-49f1-bf16-ada1649e1c63@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,,
Pr0r3p at pr0r3p@hotmail.com, typed this:
On Dec 15, 10:09 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28
Bishops say same-sex unions are not equivalent to marriage
And, just how would he know?
Like we are supposed to believe that funny little religious freaks, wearing
pointed hats and dresses, would know the first thing about marriage. They
seem more interested in little boy's asses than marriage.
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take away everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
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