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"Nicola" |
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26 Nov 2006 12:47:30 PM |
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Blair on creationism |
This is what Blair said when asked about creationism being taught in
UK schools:
"If I notice creationism becoming the mainstream of the education
system in this country then that's the time to start worrying." (New
Scientist, 4/11/06).
So the Govt watchdog turns a blind eye to creationist teaching, the
Govt continue to fund it, and the whole issue will only be addressed
when it has become 'mainstream' and it's too late to put a stop to it.
Great.
The Maranantha school prospectus (Swindon, UK) openly states that
anything conflicting with creationism will not be taught; children can
not study GCSEs because of the conflict between their Christian agenda
and the truth. The Bible is regarded as being the literal truth and
kids are taught to read with bits of bible.
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Nicola
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
26 Nov 2006 02:48:26 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
26 Nov 2006 05:39:00 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Nicola
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
27 Nov 2006 04:22:58 AM |
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Nicola wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Nicola
Blair is the most overtly religious pm in a long time, but I don't know
if he is on the loony wing. Alistair Campbell always used to sit on him
if press questions got on to the subject of his religion, so maybe he
does hold some embarrassingly fundy views.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
27 Nov 2006 09:12:04 PM |
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"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164622978.034428.114710@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nicola wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Nicola
Blair is the most overtly religious pm in a long time, but I don't know
if he is on the loony wing. Alistair Campbell always used to sit on him
if press questions got on to the subject of his religion, so maybe he
does hold some embarrassingly fundy views.
It could be a case of "none are so blind as those who do not wish to see"
and nothing to do with his religious convictions.
Remember, he only *saw* the problems with the 48 hour appointment rule for
doctors when he was confronted by a woman in front of TV cameras.
A similar confrontation on this may solve the problem.
Smiler
The godless one.
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
01 Dec 2006 04:11:13 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:12:04 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164622978.034428.114710@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Nicola wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Nicola
Blair is the most overtly religious pm in a long time, but I don't know
if he is on the loony wing. Alistair Campbell always used to sit on him
if press questions got on to the subject of his religion, so maybe he
does hold some embarrassingly fundy views.
It could be a case of "none are so blind as those who do not wish to see"
and nothing to do with his religious convictions.
Remember, he only *saw* the problems with the 48 hour appointment rule for
doctors when he was confronted by a woman in front of TV cameras.
A similar confrontation on this may solve the problem.
If I ever get the opportunity... in the meantime I'm just going to
harass my own MP and ask him why the hell his party continue to ignore
this problem, and why his leader continues to lie about it.
The way Blair worded some of his comments in that interview makes me
deeply suspicious, as though he were simply trying to divert attention
from the fact that creationism is being taught here. He seemed
desperate to divert the attention of scientists onto other issues.
Nicola
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
28 Nov 2006 03:45:20 AM |
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Smiler wrote:
"Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nicola wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Nicola
Blair is the most overtly religious pm in a long time, but I don't know
if he is on the loony wing. Alistair Campbell always used to sit on him
if press questions got on to the subject of his religion, so maybe he
does hold some embarrassingly fundy views.
It could be a case of "none are so blind as those who do not wish to see"
and nothing to do with his religious convictions.
Remember, he only *saw* the problems with the 48 hour appointment rule for
doctors when he was confronted by a woman in front of TV cameras.
A similar confrontation on this may solve the problem.
Or not. It isn't really his problem. The real damage won't become
apparent until long after Blair has gone.
On a brighter note, I have to wonder how the ID material is being used
in the classroom. I hope that some teachers are presenting it as an
example of bad science and that it gets mocked, in the way that we used
to mock phlogiston theory in chemistry classes.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
26 Nov 2006 05:57:31 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:39:00 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Conceivably he thinks there may be a few votes in it, given that he's
well and truly pissed of the Muslims.
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
03 Dec 2006 06:24:13 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:57:31 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:39:00 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:48:26 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:47:30 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory fan, but I really am
starting to wonder if there's an agenda here. Why else would Blair be
so keen to cover up the fact that creationism is already being taught?
Because he's a creationist?
If you have some evidence for that, I would dearly love to see (and
publish) it :-)
It would explain things. I really don't understand what is going on
with this. His denials that it is being taught are just so bizarre
when anyone can read about it on school websites and in their own
recruitment brochures.
Conceivably he thinks there may be a few votes in it, given that he's
well and truly pissed of the Muslims.
So he pisses off the entire atheist/secular population? I don't think
it's a vote winner.
Nicola
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
03 Dec 2006 02:58:05 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:24:13 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:57:31 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Conceivably he thinks there may be a few votes in it, given that he's
well and truly pissed of the Muslims.
So he pisses off the entire atheist/secular population? I don't think
it's a vote winner.
There are probably more Moslems than atheists/secularists.
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type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
06 Dec 2006 02:11:09 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:24:13 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:57:31 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Conceivably he thinks there may be a few votes in it, given that he's
well and truly pissed of the Muslims.
So he pisses off the entire atheist/secular population? I don't think
it's a vote winner.
There are probably more Moslems than atheists/secularists.
Actually no...we outnumber them rather comfortably, it's on the 2001
census that around 3% are muslim, as opposed to 15%who said no
religion, and another 7.5ish% who didn't dignify the question with an
answer.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
04 Dec 2006 03:27:42 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:58:05 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:24:13 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:57:31 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Conceivably he thinks there may be a few votes in it, given that he's
well and truly pissed of the Muslims.
So he pisses off the entire atheist/secular population? I don't think
it's a vote winner.
There are probably more Moslems than atheists/secularists.
I doubt it; and not all Muslims support faith schools and teaching
mythology as fact.
I heard him speaking yesterday and before I dozed off I heard him
saying that the real test of faith schools is whether parents want to
send their children there - in other words, if parents are stupid then
everything is OK.
I think he's put a lot of money and effort into his academies, and as
he's on the way out he probably wants to be remembered for something
other than murdering tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and
Afghanistan. His childish denials in the NS interview sounded like a
man who is ready to cut and run.
Nicola
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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04 Dec 2006 03:41:40 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:27:42 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I think he's put a lot of money and effort into his academies, and as
he's on the way out he probably wants to be remembered for something
other than murdering tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and
Afghanistan. His childish denials in the NS interview sounded like a
man who is ready to cut and run.
When questions were first asked in parliament (Question Time) about
creationism being taught at a Vardy school in Gateshead, and their
hosting a symposium on with Ken Ham as guest speaker, his reaction
showed he was taken by surprise. He waffled and sounded just like an
American politician asked about creationism.
Nicola
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| User: "Nicola" |
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06 Dec 2006 02:00:48 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:41:40 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:27:42 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
I think he's put a lot of money and effort into his academies, and as
he's on the way out he probably wants to be remembered for something
other than murdering tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and
Afghanistan. His childish denials in the NS interview sounded like a
man who is ready to cut and run.
When questions were first asked in parliament (Question Time) about
creationism being taught at a Vardy school in Gateshead, and their
hosting a symposium on with Ken Ham as guest speaker, his reaction
showed he was taken by surprise. He waffled and sounded just like an
American politician asked about creationism.
The Vardy academy head of science is, IIRC, a member of an
organisation that promotes the teaching of creationism in schools. I
can't remember the idiot's name, but there's a transcript of a speech
of his somewhere that I've been trying to get hold of. No luck so far.
I'll try and find the Question Time episode - it's probably available
for download somewhere. Thanks for the pointer :-)
Nicola
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
06 Dec 2006 04:26:46 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:00:48 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
The Vardy academy head of science is, IIRC, a member of an
organisation that promotes the teaching of creationism in schools. I
can't remember the idiot's name, but there's a transcript of a speech
of his somewhere that I've been trying to get hold of. No luck so far.
This reference was the closest thing I could find:
<http://blog.dave.org.uk/archives/001002.html>
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The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Blair on creationism |
06 Dec 2006 05:22:27 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:26:46 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:00:48 +0000, Nicola
<nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote:
The Vardy academy head of science is, IIRC, a member of an
organisation that promotes the teaching of creationism in schools. I
can't remember the idiot's name, but there's a transcript of a speech
of his somewhere that I've been trying to get hold of. No luck so far.
This reference was the closest thing I could find:
<http://blog.dave.org.uk/archives/001002.html>
Layfield - that's him. Nutter. There was a URL in 'The God Delusion'
but it seems to be defunct.
Nicola
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