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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 03 Feb 2007 07:15:08 PM
Object: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society
Blame hippies
Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society
By Paul Jackson
My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.
With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.
I think Herb quietly winked at me when he mentioned the word "British'
in that opening statement.
Meyer insists it was no coincidence that, when thousands of freedom-
loving students demonstrated in Tiananmen Square in Beijing in 1989
they built a huge replica of the State of Liberty as their emblem.The
Statue of Liberty is a beacon symbolizing freedom and human rights for
everyone in the world.
In the column "Under siege" (Dec. 12) I mentioned Meyer was a top
intelligence analyst under U.S. President Ronald Reagan, and whose new
DVD The Siege of Western Civilization (www.stormkingpress.com), is
currently the big talking point amongst conservatives across this
continent.
Meyer, who talks throughout the DVD in a chatty fashion that holds you
to the screen, notes western civilization is under attack both from
outside and within our borders.
There are three thrusts: Radical Islamic terrorism, the alarming
decline in our birth rates, and our moral collapse.
Western civilization has been under attack from within before, he
notes, namely by the "murderous, horrible ideologies" of Nazism and
Fascism. It took immense determination and sacrifice to defeat the
anti-God and nihilist movements.
Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.
The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.
It really was sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll with no thought to the
consequences of where their actions would take them.
The historic Fourth of July holiday was abandoned in place of "Earth
Day" or some other such nonsense.
There was no God.
Power didn't rest with the individual, but with the state. The group
was more important than the individual. The rule of law meant whatever
you wanted it to mean at any given time.
Not content with just behaving themselves as they wanted to behave,
the hippie movement and its adherents started electing their own kind
to political office at local, state or provincial levels, and the
federal level.
"We have to start electing people who know what they are talking
about. Instead, we elect far too many people who pose, preen, say they
feel our pain, say they are sympathetic to us, but they never solve
any problems."
What they do, says Meyer, is subvert the foundations of our free
society.
We are now in the second American civil war, against those who want to
put the American Revolution in reverse.
Today, in the U.S., Canada and other democratic nations, we see the
results.
There are no absolute rights or wrongs.
Whatever makes you feel good is just OK.
Entertainment and sports celebrities are acquitted, even when the
evidence shows them to be guilty.
Former U.S. president Bill Clinton is impeached and guilty of perjury
and obstruction of justice, but gets off since his polling numbers are
high. He does, though, voluntarily hand in his licence to practise
law, but only to avoid being officially disbarred.
In Canada, disgraced socialist MP Svend Robinson steals a valuable
diamond-encrusted ring for his boyfriend, and gets barely a tap of the
knuckles from a judge.
Indeed, Robinson is viewed as a victim rather than a perpetrator of a
crime.
The values in our society are rapidly being eroded.
To Meyer, western civilization has been living off its accumulated
capital, and now it's being spent recklessly, with the end result
being our own annihilation.
That's why Meyer believes time is quickly running out for us unless we
quickly tackle both the enemy outside our borders and the enemy
within.
The Siege is an unsettling, harrowing video that will make you pause
and think hard about where we are going to end up.
That's unless we wake up now to the relentless undermining of our way
of life.
.

User: "GoDrex"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 07:50:23 PM
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...
.
User: "Michael Price"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 06:30:42 AM
GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...

Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.
.
User: "strabo"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral FoundationsOf Society 06 Feb 2007 09:18:29 PM
Michael Price wrote:

GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...


Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.

Well, there were the post-1870 Indian wars, the Spanish-American war,
the Filipino uprising, alcohol prohibition and drugs, the China wars and
of course, Korea. Each involved covert operations and propaganda.
Before the 1960s American society was more concerned about morals but
American politicians and bureaucrats have never been so inclined.
The difference between the pre-1960s and later that led to differences
in morality today, are technological.
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User: ""

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 08 Feb 2007 03:54:43 PM
On Feb 6, 10:18 pm, strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:

Before the 1960s American society was more concerned about morals but
American politicians and bureaucrats have never been so inclined.

The difference between the pre-1960s and later that led to differences
in morality today, are technological.

Mainly the technology that allows a moral failing in
Penikutt, Iowa to be seen that day on the evening
news from New York to Los Angeles. People aren't
that different than they were a half-century ago,
they're just a lot more obvious.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.

User: "Michael Price"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 08 Feb 2007 03:29:30 AM
strabo wrote:

Michael Price wrote:

GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...


Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.


Well, there were the post-1870 Indian wars, the Spanish-American war,
the Filipino uprising, alcohol prohibition and drugs, the China wars and
of course, Korea. Each involved covert operations and propaganda.

Before the 1960s American society was more concerned about morals but
American politicians and bureaucrats have never been so inclined.

The difference between the pre-1960s and later that led to differences
in morality today, are technological.

Umm... I was being ironic. I thought people would get that.


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User: "Gunner"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 01:24:49 PM
On 6 Feb 2007 04:30:42 -0800, "Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com>
wrote:

GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...


Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.

You seem to be forgetting LBJs Contelpro and demonizing the Black
Panthers and RFKs demonizing of the civil rights leadership.
LBJ and RFK of course being Democrats....
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
.
User: "Michael Price"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 08 Feb 2007 03:36:41 AM
Gunner wrote:

On 6 Feb 2007 04:30:42 -0800, "Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com>
wrote:

GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...


Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.



You seem to be forgetting LBJs Contelpro and demonizing the Black
Panthers and RFKs demonizing of the civil rights leadership.

LBJ and RFK of course being Democrats....

Gunner

Umm... I was being ironic.

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.

.

User: "*Anarcissie*"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 01:49:03 PM
On Feb 6, 2:24 pm, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

On 6 Feb 2007 04:30:42 -0800, "Michael Price" <nini_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:



GoDrex wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


oh yeah that's right - society was just sooooooooo moral before the 60's -
it was a veritable utopia with no immorality whatsoever...


Yeah, for instance nobody falsified intelligence to justify the
killing of hundreds
of thousands. Nobody made up stories to scare the populace so as to
gain
political power. Nobody censored or brutalised those who simply tried
to
tell the truth as they saw it or get justice for the oppressed. Truly
it was a
golden age.


You seem to be forgetting LBJs Contelpro and demonizing the Black
Panthers and RFKs demonizing of the civil rights leadership.

LBJ and RFK of course being Democrats....

"Before the Sixties" woud be 1950-1959. LBJ, it is true, was
wheeling and dealing in the Senate, but RFK wasn't doing much.
I guess he did a stint with Joe McCarthy, but I doubt if it was
very effective. And supposedly he boffed Marilyn Monroe. I
suppose that might have been later.
However, we did have some pretty awful people in high places,
and officially sanctioned and legalized racism, just like in South
Africa. So I think the remarks above are ironical.
.




User: "zolota"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 01:07:48 AM
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson



My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.

Greatest intellectual event???? You're kidding right?


With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.

If you were white and male you had the kind of rights that some in
Switzerland had known for 500 years and that some in Athens had enjoyed
2,000 years earlier.
SNIP
.
User: "brique"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 11:10:02 AM
zolota <zolota3@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson



My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.


Greatest intellectual event???? You're kidding right?


With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.


If you were white and male you had the kind of rights that some in
Switzerland had known for 500 years and that some in Athens had enjoyed
2,000 years earlier.

Yep, History started in 1776....


SNIP


.
User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 11:19:22 AM
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:10:02 -0000, in alt.atheism
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
<1170781795.72360.0@iris.uk.clara.net>:


zolota <zolota3@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson



My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.


Greatest intellectual event???? You're kidding right?


With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.


If you were white and male you had the kind of rights that some in
Switzerland had known for 500 years and that some in Athens had enjoyed
2,000 years earlier.


Yep, History started in 1776....

Welcome to America.
....
.


User: "strabo"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral FoundationsOf Society 06 Feb 2007 09:07:52 PM
zolota wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson



My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.


Greatest intellectual event???? You're kidding right?

With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.


If you were white and male you had the kind of rights that some in
Switzerland had known for 500 years and that some in Athens had enjoyed
2,000 years earlier.

The Swiss confederation of today was formed in the mid 1700s about the
time as the American separation. Switzerland has the rule of law but no
Bill of Rights.
The Athenians did not recognize individual Rights. On the contrary,
by popular vote the richest Athenian could be sent into exile.

SNIP

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User: "Paul Bramscher"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral FoundationsOf Society 09 Feb 2007 02:52:36 PM
zolota wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson



My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.


Greatest intellectual event???? You're kidding right?

With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.


If you were white and male you had the kind of rights that some in
Switzerland had known for 500 years and that some in Athens had enjoyed
2,000 years earlier.

But if you were part of the majority (collectively: female, slave,
native american or landless/poor indentured servants) you weren't part
"God's power" or the "greatest intellectual event."
Is this guy smoking information crack?
.


User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 11:55:37 PM
In article <1170551708.150764.49280@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net says...

My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization,

Gimme a fucking break.

not
simply because the British were beaten

Yeah, that would be a great intellectual event....NOT.

, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.

Too bad your own bible disagrees with you on that at multiple points.
Davidic kingship is allegedly used to channel god's power/favor as well
as to determine "messiahship". Sounds like your friend isn't much of a
scholar.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 07:53:38 PM
On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800 there was an Ancient "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

Moron. The actual hippie movement lasted barely two years, from 1966
to 1968. It was the intellectual successor of Berkeley's Free Speech
Movement and, amusingly enough, a partial side effect of the CIA and
Army testing LSD on college campuses.
The true cause of the cultural shifts in the 1960s were many..
increased global awareness due to television, a generation that hyad
been raised in the strict environment of the 1950s coming of age and
experiencing freedom, the Civil Rights movement, etc.
Only a moron would call the results destructive.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 12:43:33 AM
On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.

The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.

Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.
User: "Gunner"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 01:24:20 AM
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:43:33 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.

The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.


Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...

Chuckle..indeed. Why is it that all the 60s radicals are now filthy
rich?
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
.
User: "*Anarcissie*"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 07:00:34 AM
On Feb 5, 2:24 am, Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:43:33 -0500, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:


Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.


The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.


Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...


Chuckle..indeed. Why is it that all the 60s radicals are now filthy
rich?

Like Abbie Hoffman.
.

User: "3098 Dead"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 08:36:27 AM
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:24:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:43:33 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.

The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.


Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...



Chuckle..indeed. Why is it that all the 60s radicals are now filthy
rich?

They're smarter than you?


Gunner

Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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User: "Gunner"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 12:57:05 PM
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:36:27 -0800, 3098 Dead
<zepp22113098@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:24:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:43:33 -0500, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.

The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.


Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...



Chuckle..indeed. Why is it that all the 60s radicals are now filthy
rich?


They're smarter than you?

Could be. On the other hand..its obvious that they are hypocrites as are
you.
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
.



User: "Paul Bramscher"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral FoundationsOf Society 05 Feb 2007 11:04:08 AM
raven1 wrote:

On 3 Feb 2007 17:15:08 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.
The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.


Which is, no doubt, why that generation has become the most
materialistic, consumer-driven, moralistic one that we've see in
decades, if not centuries...
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

The Boomers I know weren't hippies at all -- just working-class joes who
let the dentist pull at their teeth so they could be dependent on
dentures their whole life, put their kids on infant formula to become
dependent on that industry, they worked the factory until it was
outsourced to a developing nation, etc. It was a generation that
retarded and subjugated itself to ideals and interests contrary to its own.
Hippies may have been celebrated by pop culture, but they were quite in
the minority. In terms of music, just take a look at how trite many of
them turned out to be. Look at who played at Woodstock -- and how
terrible their music turned in the 80's, light, harmless, often
apolitical. And so the media-arm of hippie-dom was little more than a
facade. For every Pete Seeger (who predated the hippy movement), you've
got thousand harmless Crosby, Stills & Nash's.
So you've got a minority of people that embraced that lifestyle, and an
entertainment industry that simply charaded & paraded around it. As a
result, you can't really lay blame at their entire doorstep.
For my own part, I blame mainstream Boomers as a whole. The hippies may
have recited the Aum mantra, but the Boomers recite (and still recite) a
different one: buy....buy....buy....
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 07:23:19 PM
On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st
"Moral disaster is coming to hundreds of young American girls through
the pathological, nerve-irritating, sex-exciting music of jazz
orchestras, according to the Illinois Vigilance Association."
"In Chicago alone, the association's representatives have traced the
fall of 1,000 girls in the last two years to jazz music."
"Girls in small towns, as well as the big cities, in poor homes and
rich homes, are victims of the weird, insidious, neurotic music that
accompanies modern dancing."
"The degrading music is common not only to disorderly places, but
often to high-school affairs, to expensive hotels and so-called
society circles, declares Rev. Richard Yarrow, superintendent of the
Vigilance Association."
"The report says that the vigilance society has no desire to abolish
dancing, but seeks to awaken the public conscience to the present
danger and future consequences of jazz music."
"That the weird, neurotic, sex stimulating strains of so-called jazz
music result in a 'feeble-minded morality' is indicated in a study
recently completed by the Illinois Vigilance Association....
"Mid the distracting notes of the saxophone and the weird beat of the
tom-tom was witnessed conduct not hitherto seen outside the old red
light district.
"In full view of the audience, which included many boys and girls
apparently still in their teens, couples on the floor gave way to
almost every form of indecency. Dancers violently threw their arms
about each other, frequently assuming immoral postures.
"Lights were lowered, and to the strains of syncopated music action
that are indescribable took place. This is the full flowering - the
fruition of modern erotic music, which has so crazed and befuddled the
moral make-up of young people...."

From a 1922 article appearing the New York American, based on an

Illinois Vigilance Association report:
http://saintvitus.com/Jazz.html
Plus ca change, plus le meme chose.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 08:37:46 PM
On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,
wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st

Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??

"Moral disaster is coming to hundreds of young American girls through
the pathological, nerve-irritating, sex-exciting music of jazz
orchestras, according to the Illinois Vigilance Association."

"In Chicago alone, the association's representatives have traced the
fall of 1,000 girls in the last two years to jazz music."

"Girls in small towns, as well as the big cities, in poor homes and
rich homes, are victims of the weird, insidious, neurotic music that
accompanies modern dancing."

"The degrading music is common not only to disorderly places, but
often to high-school affairs, to expensive hotels and so-called
society circles, declares Rev. Richard Yarrow, superintendent of the
Vigilance Association."

"The report says that the vigilance society has no desire to abolish
dancing, but seeks to awaken the public conscience to the present
danger and future consequences of jazz music."

"That the weird, neurotic, sex stimulating strains of so-called jazz
music result in a 'feeble-minded morality' is indicated in a study
recently completed by the Illinois Vigilance Association....

"Mid the distracting notes of the saxophone and the weird beat of the
tom-tom was witnessed conduct not hitherto seen outside the old red
light district.

"In full view of the audience, which included many boys and girls
apparently still in their teens, couples on the floor gave way to
almost every form of indecency. Dancers violently threw their arms
about each other, frequently assuming immoral postures.

"Lights were lowered, and to the strains of syncopated music action
that are indescribable took place. This is the full flowering - the
fruition of modern erotic music, which has so crazed and befuddled the
moral make-up of young people...."

From a 1922 article appearing the New York American, based on an


Illinois Vigilance Association report:

http://saintvitus.com/Jazz.html

Plus ca change, plus le meme chose.

.
User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 10:38:19 PM
<jxrodri@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??

You're too young to have been a hippie.
Blame your parents for not conceiving you earlier :-)
Smiler,
The godless one
.
User: "3082 Dead"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 11:31:19 PM
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:38:19 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:


<jxrodri@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??


You're too young to have been a hippie.
Blame your parents for not conceiving you earlier :-)

Smiler,
The godless one

Jazz is ruining girls?
I had no idea.
Well, there's only one thing to do.
Play more jazz!


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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 01:57:29 PM
<jxrodri@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??

Believe me, I tried, but I was too young, being born in 1961. 8-year-olds
wearing peace signs and granny glasses aren't very cool and sadly I have the
pictures to prove it <shudder> ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 05 Feb 2007 08:18:51 PM
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:57:29 -0500 there was an Ancient "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism


<jxrodri@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??


Believe me, I tried, but I was too young, being born in 1961. 8-year-olds
wearing peace signs and granny glasses aren't very cool and sadly I have the
pictures to prove it <shudder> ;)

My brother is of similar vintage. When he and the other students
decided the school lunches were terrible, they knew what to do: made
signs and had a demonstartion. Made the local news.
--
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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 06 Feb 2007 12:31:03 PM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:57:29 -0500 there was an Ancient "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism


<jxrodri@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??


Believe me, I tried, but I was too young, being born in 1961. 8-year-olds
wearing peace signs and granny glasses aren't very cool and sadly I have
the
pictures to prove it <shudder> ;)


My brother is of similar vintage. When he and the other students
decided the school lunches were terrible, they knew what to do: made
signs and had a demonstartion. Made the local news.

Cool! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "*Anarcissie*"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society, And Had Fun Doing It, Too! 06 Feb 2007 09:05:06 AM
On Feb 5, 9:18 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:57:29 -0500 there was an Ancient "Robibnikoff"
<witchy...@broomstick.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism





<jxro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 8:23 pm,

wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:


Blame hippies


Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society


JAZZ RUINING GIRLS, DECLARES REFORMER
Chicago, January 21st


Hippies did that too? Why can't I be a hippie??


Believe me, I tried, but I was too young, being born in 1961. 8-year-olds
wearing peace signs and granny glasses aren't very cool and sadly I have the
pictures to prove it <shudder> ;)


My brother is of similar vintage. When he and the other students
decided the school lunches were terrible, they knew what to do: made
signs and had a demonstartion. Made the local news.

But did it erode the Moral Foundations of the lunchroom?
.





User: "Kurt Nicklas"

Title: Re: Blame Hippies: Sixties Counterculture Eroded Moral Foundations Of Society 03 Feb 2007 07:54:27 PM
On Feb 3, 8:15 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:

Blame hippies

Sixties counterculture eroded moral foundations of society

By Paul Jackson

My scholarly friend Herb Meyer contends the American Revolutionary War
was the greatest intellectual event in western civilization, not
simply because the British were beaten, but rather it determined God's
power flowed to the people and not to the kings.

With that, insists Meyer, the rule of law and the concept of
individual rights were born.

I think Herb quietly winked at me when he mentioned the word "British'
in that opening statement.

Meyer insists it was no coincidence that, when thousands of freedom-
loving students demonstrated in Tiananmen Square in Beijing in 1989
they built a huge replica of the State of Liberty as their emblem.The
Statue of Liberty is a beacon symbolizing freedom and human rights for
everyone in the world.

In the column "Under siege" (Dec. 12) I mentioned Meyer was a top
intelligence analyst under U.S. President Ronald Reagan, and whose new
DVD The Siege of Western Civilization (www.stormkingpress.com), is
currently the big talking point amongst conservatives across this
continent.

Meyer, who talks throughout the DVD in a chatty fashion that holds you
to the screen, notes western civilization is under attack both from
outside and within our borders.

There are three thrusts: Radical Islamic terrorism, the alarming
decline in our birth rates, and our moral collapse.

Western civilization has been under attack from within before, he
notes, namely by the "murderous, horrible ideologies" of Nazism and
Fascism. It took immense determination and sacrifice to defeat the
anti-God and nihilist movements.

Today, he sees the internal threat to our moral foundations stemming
from the 'hippie' counterculture of the 1960s.

The hippie movement spurned all that centuries of western civilization
had spent building and safeguarding. Hippies rejected material
success, and military strength. They loathed the consumer society, and
the moral values of the day.

It really was sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll with no thought to the
consequences of where their actions would take them.

The historic Fourth of July holiday was abandoned in place of "Earth
Day" or some other such nonsense.

There was no God.

Power didn't rest with the individual, but with the state. The group
was more important than the individual. The rule of law meant whatever
you wanted it to mean at any given time.

Not content with just behaving themselves as they wanted to behave,
the hippie movement and its adherents started electing their own kind
to political office at local, state or provincial levels, and the
federal level.

"We have to start electing people who know what they are talking
about. Instead, we elect far too many people who pose, preen, say they
feel our pain, say they are sympathetic to us, but they never solve
any problems."

What they do, says Meyer, is subvert the foundations of our free
society.

We are now in the second American civil war, against those who want to
put the American Revolution in reverse.

Today, in the U.S., Canada and other democratic nations, we see the
results.

There are no absolute rights or wrongs.

Whatever makes you feel good is just OK.

Entertainment and sports celebrities are acquitted, even when the
evidence shows them to be guilty.

Former U.S. president Bill Clinton is impeached and guilty of perjury
and obstruction of justice, but gets off since his polling numbers are
high. He does, though, voluntarily hand in his licence to practise
law, but only to avoid being officially disbarred.

In Canada, disgraced socialist MP Svend Robinson steals a valuable
diamond-encrusted ring for his boyfriend, and gets barely a tap of the
knuckles from a judge.

Indeed, Robinson is viewed as a victim rather than a perpetrator of a
crime.

The values in our society are rapidly being eroded.

To Meyer, western civilization has been living off its accumulated
capital, and now it's being spent recklessly, with the end result
being our own annihilation.

That's why Meyer believes time is quickly running out for us unless we
quickly tackle both the enemy outside our borders and the enemy
within.

The Siege is an unsettling, harrowing video that will make you pause
and think hard about where we are going to end up.

That's unless we wake up now to the relentless undermining of our way
of life.

Great post! Thanks.
.


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