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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Christ Loves Bush"
Date: 31 Aug 2005 02:30:38 AM
Object: Blame the Demoncrats for the Hurricane
While watching the video on television of the destruction in New Orleans I
couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores, devil
music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the
hurricane, the only bad part, was that it didn't hit during mardi gras, aka
satan's ball, when the dregs of America were there to die. The people of New
Orleans were punished for there wicked ways and corrupting of women. Sodom
and Gomorrah weren't given second chances. New Orleans will be given a
second chance. To assure this won't happen again the people of New Orleans
will have to find faith in Christ and Bush. Stop supporting corrupt
demoncrat values. Embrace God and the Church. A lot of people died during
the hurricanes but I can guarantee you one thing, they were all registered
democrats. It wasn't a coincidence that the storm looked like a fetus. Stop
abortion, stop supporting homosexuals, find peace and love with Christ and
support our troops. To those of faith from that area, enjoy your insurance
checks and please bury those demoncrats extra deep; they smelled bad enough
when they were alive.
.

User: "Terrell D Lewis"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 07:05:56 AM
"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in message
news:431515c0$1_2@x-privat.org...

While watching the video on television of the destruction in New Orleans I
couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores, devil
music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the

Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans is
because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets hurricanes
every year so that the odds are that every so often one was going to hit New
Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?
Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would use
something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment? Besides, if this had been a judgment on
New Orleans, don't you think the worst part of the storm would have hit New
Orleans directly? Sodom and Gommorah, as you mentioned, were hit suddenly
and without warning, New Orleans had time to evacuate 1.3 million
inhabitants.
Rather, when sin entered the world, it upset the entire perfect order of
things, this is why Paul says that "all creation awaits the manifestation of
the sons of God." Because sin entered the world, we have natural disasters,
we have diseases, we have imperfection. These things are not God's fault,
they are sinful man's, they are not God's judgment, but the consequence of
all man's sin.
I have a grand daughter I love dearly, she's four. I watch her in the
afternoons. Sometimes, she will be playing outside and trip and scrap her
knee. I did not make her fall down, I did not want her to fall down, but I
am there to clean the wound and hold her in my lap and hug her until she is
ready to go play some more. I see God much the same way, when bad things
happen to us, He doesn't cause it, He doesn't want bad things to happen to
us, but He is there to help us through the bad things and while we recover.
Terrell
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User: "thomas p"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 06:23:26 PM
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:05:56 GMT, "Terrell D Lewis"
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in message
news:431515c0$1_2@x-privat.org...

While watching the video on television of the destruction in New Orleans I
couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores, devil
music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the



Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans is
because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets hurricanes
every year so that the odds are that every so often one was going to hit New
Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?

Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would use
something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment? Besides, if this had been a judgment on
New Orleans, don't you think the worst part of the storm would have hit New
Orleans directly? Sodom and Gommorah, as you mentioned, were hit suddenly
and without warning, New Orleans had time to evacuate 1.3 million
inhabitants.

Rather, when sin entered the world, it upset the entire perfect order of
things, this is why Paul says that "all creation awaits the manifestation of
the sons of God." Because sin entered the world, we have natural disasters,
we have diseases, we have imperfection. These things are not God's fault,
they are sinful man's, they are not God's judgment, but the consequence of
all man's sin.

You were correct in the first paragraph. Hurricanes are natural
events.


I have a grand daughter I love dearly, she's four. I watch her in the
afternoons. Sometimes, she will be playing outside and trip and scrap her
knee. I did not make her fall down, I did not want her to fall down, but I
am there to clean the wound and hold her in my lap and hug her until she is
ready to go play some more. I see God much the same way, when bad things
happen to us, He doesn't cause it, He doesn't want bad things to happen to
us, but He is there to help us through the bad things and while we recover.

Surely you must see that the above analogy does not work at all. If
you knew she was going to trip over (for example) a rake somebody left
out, you would remove it before she hurt herself. If you didn't, you
would be responsible; you would be negligent. The god you believe in
would know, so therefore he would be responsible. He also knew that
Adam was going to eat from the "tree of knowledge". He did not remove
the tree or Adam, so he was responsible.

Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)

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User: "Stananger"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 07:20:46 AM
Terrell D Lewis wrote:


"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in
message news:431515c0$1_2@x-privat.org...

While watching the video on television of the destruction in New Orleans
I couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores, devil
music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the



Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans
is because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets
hurricanes every year so that the odds are that every so often one was
going to hit New Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?

Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would use
something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment? Besides, if this had been a judgment on
New Orleans, don't you think the worst part of the storm would have hit
New
Orleans directly? Sodom and Gommorah, as you mentioned, were hit suddenly
and without warning, New Orleans had time to evacuate 1.3 million
inhabitants.

Rather, when sin entered the world, it upset the entire perfect order of
things, this is why Paul says that "all creation awaits the manifestation
of
the sons of God." Because sin entered the world, we have natural
disasters,
we have diseases, we have imperfection. These things are not God's fault,
they are sinful man's, they are not God's judgment, but the consequence of
all man's sin.

I have a grand daughter I love dearly, she's four. I watch her in the
afternoons. Sometimes, she will be playing outside and trip and scrap her
knee. I did not make her fall down, I did not want her to fall down, but
I am there to clean the wound and hold her in my lap and hug her until she
is
ready to go play some more. I see God much the same way, when bad things
happen to us, He doesn't cause it, He doesn't want bad things to happen to
us, but He is there to help us through the bad things and while we
recover.

Terrell

But God is also a just God and does meet out punishment.
.

User: "jw"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 11:35:04 AM
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:05:56 GMT, "Terrell D Lewis"
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"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in message
news:431515c0$1_2@x-privat.org...

While watching the video on television of the destruction in New Orleans I
couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores, devil
music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the



Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans is
because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets hurricanes
every year so that the odds are that every so often one was going to hit New
Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?

Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would use
something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment?

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of His
impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.
The signs I have personally seen in my lifetime-- the reestablishment
of Israel as a nation being primary, but not solitary-- make me
convinced that when the Bible says that 1/3 of the Earth will be
destroyed by water, that may not mean all at one time, and the Tsunami
and now New Orleans may indeed be signs for those who are receptive to
such.
The reason the signs are not more "dramatic" may well be that God
doesn't want to make it TOO obvious to those who will (perhaps like
you) find ANY reason, ANY excuse, to look the other way.
Jesus told us to watch for the signs.
Are you one who is watching for the signs, or are you one of those who
continues to say, "no, the time isn't right, yet." ??
Besides, if this had been a judgment on

New Orleans, don't you think the worst part of the storm would have hit New
Orleans directly?

I must question who are you to 2nd guess God?
Let's just pretend for a moment that those who see a sign in the
destruction of New Orleans are correct.
What are YOU prepared to do about it?
You have discussed the negative, as in "no way."
Now suppose you find 5 reasons to believe, "Yep, that looks like the
real thing."
As in, any mature, rational, thinking adult will look at what is
happening and think, "What if...' and then, "what if..." and then
"what if..."
And then make a plan on what to do in each contingency.
Are you mature, rational, thinking, adult? Or do you prefer to bury
your head in the sand and plug your ears and say, "uh uh!" ??
Sodom and Gomorrah, as you mentioned, were hit suddenly

and without warning, New Orleans had time to evacuate 1.3 million
inhabitants.

To compare how the world is going to end under the Age of Grace is
foolhardy. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed under the Age of Law.


Rather, when sin entered the world, it upset the entire perfect order of
things, this is why Paul says that "all creation awaits the manifestation of
the sons of God." Because sin entered the world, we have natural disasters,
we have diseases, we have imperfection. These things are not God's fault,
they are sinful man's, they are not God's judgment, but the consequence of
all man's sin.

I have a grand daughter I love dearly, she's four. I watch her in the
afternoons. Sometimes, she will be playing outside and trip and scrap her
knee. I did not make her fall down, I did not want her to fall down, but I
am there to clean the wound and hold her in my lap and hug her until she is
ready to go play some more. I see God much the same way, when bad things
happen to us, He doesn't cause it, He doesn't want bad things to happen to
us, but He is there to help us through the bad things and while we recover.

Do you believe in a literal 2nd Coming? If you don't, then you should
ignore any talk of "signs" and bury your head again.
If you DO believe in a literal 2nd Coming, you realize this is very
likely a sign.
It's not so much a matter of what's happening around you; it's a
matter of your world view.
Kindly don't ridicule we who simply have a different world view, and
we will try to resist urge to kick MORE sand in your face.
jw


Terrell



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User: "Terrell D Lewis"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 02:48:28 PM
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"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in

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While watching the video on television of the destruction in New

Orleans I

couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores,

devil

music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the



Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans

is

because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets

hurricanes

every year so that the odds are that every so often one was going to hit

New

Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?

Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would

use

something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment?


I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of His
impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.

The signs I have personally seen in my lifetime-- the reestablishment
of Israel as a nation being primary, but not solitary-- make me
convinced that when the Bible says that 1/3 of the Earth will be
destroyed by water, that may not mean all at one time, and the Tsunami
and now New Orleans may indeed be signs for those who are receptive to
such.

The reason the signs are not more "dramatic" may well be that God
doesn't want to make it TOO obvious to those who will (perhaps like
you) find ANY reason, ANY excuse, to look the other way.

Jesus told us to watch for the signs.

Are you one who is watching for the signs, or are you one of those who
continues to say, "no, the time isn't right, yet." ??


There is a difference between "judgment" and "signs." And we have to
remember that, though devastating, hurricanes have always been around this
area, they've been fearing just this kind of thing for many years.
I do believe, however, that this, last years hurricanes, the 911 disaster is
a sign that God has removed his protection from America and has finally done
what America has asked of him, America wants nothing to do with God.
But judgment, not yet, first comes: "Judgment begins at the House of God."
We are, as you say, seeing signs of the end of the age, but judgment isn't
here yet.
Terrell
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User: "BloodFart"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 04:37:44 PM
"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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There is a difference between "judgment" and "signs." And we have to
remember that, though devastating, hurricanes have always been around this
area, they've been fearing just this kind of thing for many years.

I do believe, however, that this, last years hurricanes, the 911 disaster

is

a sign that God has removed his protection from America and has finally

done

what America has asked of him, America wants nothing to do with God.

But judgment, not yet, first comes: "Judgment begins at the House of

God."

We are, as you say, seeing signs of the end of the age, but judgment isn't
here yet.

Terrell

ROFLMAO.. allllrighty then fruity!
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User: "WCB"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 04:33:27 PM
Terrell D Lewis wrote:


There is a difference between "judgment" and "signs." And we have to
remember that, though devastating, hurricanes have always been around this
area, they've been fearing just this kind of thing for many years.

I do believe, however, that this, last years hurricanes, the 911 disaster
is a sign that God has removed his protection from America and has finally
done what America has asked of him, America wants nothing to do with God.

But judgment, not yet, first comes: "Judgment begins at the House of
God." We are, as you say, seeing signs of the end of the age, but judgment
isn't here yet.

Jesus told us he would preside over judgment day and end of the earth
1937 years ago.
Matthew 16:27-8, Matthew 25:30-45, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13.
When? In the times of "this generation", in the times of "Some standing
here..", in the lifetime of the high priest at Jerusalem, (Mathhew 24:30,
26:64, Mark 14:62).
The end (Matthew 24:3) did not happen as 'prophecied'. Its over.
It is long gone, its not going to happen, its dumbass nonsense.
How long will ignorant dumbasses spew this end of the world nonsense
without bothering to notice that in their own bible, its obvious Jesus was
wrong and expected the end 1900 years ago?
The idea that the end of the world will happen some day soon
as per Revelations is the mark of a deeply ignorant person.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "jw"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 01 Sep 2005 12:17:03 AM
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"Christ Loves Bush" <JesusandBushSave@lieberalsletdie.com> wrote in

message

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While watching the video on television of the destruction in New

Orleans I

couldn't help but laugh. God once again has fulfilled his promises and
punished the wicked. New Orleans is a horrible city full of whores,

devil

music and lieberal trash to protect them. The worst part about the



Wow, did you ever think that the reason a hurricane hit near New Orleans

is

because they are a coastal city in a part of the world that gets

hurricanes

every year so that the odds are that every so often one was going to hit

New

Orleans, and it isn't exactly the first time?

Did it ever occur to you that if God was judging New Orleans, he would

use

something that didn't happen every so often anyway that the people would
know it was God sending judgment?


I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of His
impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.

The signs I have personally seen in my lifetime-- the reestablishment
of Israel as a nation being primary, but not solitary-- make me
convinced that when the Bible says that 1/3 of the Earth will be
destroyed by water, that may not mean all at one time, and the Tsunami
and now New Orleans may indeed be signs for those who are receptive to
such.

The reason the signs are not more "dramatic" may well be that God
doesn't want to make it TOO obvious to those who will (perhaps like
you) find ANY reason, ANY excuse, to look the other way.

Jesus told us to watch for the signs.

Are you one who is watching for the signs, or are you one of those who
continues to say, "no, the time isn't right, yet." ??



There is a difference between "judgment" and "signs."

Terrell, I didn't interject my thoughts to start an argument. I asked
you to CONSIDER the other POV.
You choose not to.
Fair enough. I have fulfilled my calling. I have warned you.
I believe the following is found in the Proverbs.
"A word to the wise is sufficient. Speak to the fool, and your words
are wasted."
jw
And we have to

remember that, though devastating, hurricanes have always been around this
area, they've been fearing just this kind of thing for many years.

I do believe,

That's the sad part, Terrell. I think that your comments the past year
or so indicate that in fact-- you don't believe.
however, that this, last years hurricanes, the 911 disaster is

a sign that God has removed his protection from America and has finally done
what America has asked of him, America wants nothing to do with God.

But judgment, not yet, first comes: "Judgment begins at the House of God."
We are, as you say, seeing signs of the end of the age, but judgment isn't
here yet.

Terrell



.


User: "MZ"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 PM

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of His
impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.

So you're the guy with the sign, then? Great to put a name with the face.
.
User: "jw"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 01 Sep 2005 12:08:00 AM
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I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of His
impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?

???
No, I am not a person with a sign.
I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.
And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.
And too often, I see the foolhardy say, "nah! The time isn't right
yet!"
I believe that Jesus taught that we are to live each day like it's the
day He's returning.
Simple obedience never hurt anyone.
jw
Great to put a name with the face.
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User: "Terraholm"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 01 Sep 2005 05:16:28 AM

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I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???

lol...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg
http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif
http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg
And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to
record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within
a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as
saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till
they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying:
"...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy
in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime
during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply
that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the
middle of the 1st century. More details.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would
return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia
Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.
It didn't.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would
happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and
an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the
German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to
be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the
book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as
3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the
date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe.
The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ
returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in
anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were
unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far
worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts.
Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an
emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus.
His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be
in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during
Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the
alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that
King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was
founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population.
This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had
previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the
cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th
century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They
obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New
Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg
jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year.
20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to
Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker
movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the
Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1832: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice and interpreted it as
implying that if he lived to the age of 85, Jesus would return. This would be the year 1890.
Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.
1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come
on this date.
1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is
now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit
their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went
without incident.
1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the
timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months
remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get
ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning,
they will have to learn in a few months." 10
1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the
fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present
at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues,
some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is,
some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days,
others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the
conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to
explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12
1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a
meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He
announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church
2:182)
1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the
Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the
book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time"
as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520
years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914
passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.
1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower
Society (WTS) or its members predicted. Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the
"battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.
The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date
definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would
be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is
going to do during that year." 6
The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the
estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in
the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year
1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's
creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also
failed.
The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely
6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.
More details on the WTS predictions.
1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a
magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.
1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of
the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.
1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy
conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen
in 1940 or 1941. 7
1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this
event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world
predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.
1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he
predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.
1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in
1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of
persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'
1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and
transferred to heaven by APR-22.
1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our
Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology
throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great
pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.
1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative
Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite
for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem.
That never happened.
1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious
group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid
1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would
happen in 1973.
1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered
a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus
bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation
of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3
1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen
during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st
century.
1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.
1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster
would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment
of God's Kingdom on earth.
1981: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and
Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of
Heaven would be established in this year.
1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world would end in the fall of
1982.
1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They
wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create
solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes.
The planets did align, as seen from earth, but nothing unusual happened.
1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been
called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including
natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes,
very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San
Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his
secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.
1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start
on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon
would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist
dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.
1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem
would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would
be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest
Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the
20th century. All of the predictions failed.
1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture
was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This
failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy
which sell very well indeed.
Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana,"
predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his
psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot
dead by a gunman.
1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus
predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.
1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the
Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come
within a few years of 1990.
.
User: "Stananger"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 01 Sep 2005 05:39:39 AM
My Bible says "No man shall know the hour or day"
(in reference to the end of time)
so why post your dribble here.
Terraholm wrote:

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
article can be reproduced anywhere else without expressed written
consent of the author

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???


lol...

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg


http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg

http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif

http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg

And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when
interpreted literally, appear to
record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's
Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the
process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew
16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew
24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those
days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second
coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally,
his writings seem to imply
that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of
persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur
at any moment. 2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the
Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would
return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in
the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the
end would happen that year.
It didn't.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was
convinced that the end would
happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The
antipope Hippolytus and
an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted
Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the
world by the army of the
German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this
had long been believed to
be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times
events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report
that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons
were fighting.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the
world on this date. As the
date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan
countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to
Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year
1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church
in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low
that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to
be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was.
Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the
gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by
exterminating some heretics.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A
legend had arisen that an
emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of
the closeness of the end. 1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th
anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus.
His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is
unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually
started in 306 CE during
Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This
estimate was based on the
alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was
already in the world, and that
King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin,
sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto
the date the Islam was
founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one
third of the population.
This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world.
Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats,
fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the
more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus.
Some mystics in the 15th
century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to
a world wide flood. They
obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in
1533 and that the New
Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and
died in a Strasbourg jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world
would occur in this year.
20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect
themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of
the world for this year. 1736: British theologian and mathematician
William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to
Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some
believers in the Shaker
movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought
Doomsday would be in this year. 1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian
prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the
Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1832: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice
and interpreted it as
implying that if he lived to the age of 85, Jesus would return. This would
be the year 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for
almost a half century.
1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement,
predicted that Jesus would come
on this date.
1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new
date. In an event which is
now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property
and possessions, quit their jobs and prepared themselves for the second
coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went without incident.
1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made
many predictions of the
timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27
that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: "My
accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready,
get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years
learning, they will have to learn in a few months." 10
1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she
was shown in a vision the
fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was
shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food
for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and
remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That
is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die
from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus
came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed
away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to
explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12
1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the
Mormon church, attended a
meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called
because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within
56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)
1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war
of Armageddon by the
Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed
1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred
to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days,
giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing
2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as
the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914
became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.
1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other
dates that the Watchtower
Society (WTS) or its members predicted. Since late in the 19th century,
they had taught that the "battle of the Great Day of God Almighty"
(Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.
The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine
predicted: "The year 1925 is a date
definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than
that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful
follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during
that year." 6
The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main
prediction. This was based on the
estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the
year 4026 BCE, likely in
the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They
believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as
it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was
to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed.
The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it
will happen precisely
6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when
this happened.
More details on the WTS predictions.

1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6
planets would generate a
magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth
on DEC-17.
1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God,
predicted that the Day of
the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he
made a new estimate: 1975.
1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison,
held a series of prophesy
conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end
of the world would happen in 1940 or 1941. 7
1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some
Christians believed that this
event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various
end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.
1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its
Divine Message". In it, he
predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.
1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California,
Mihran Ask, as saying in
1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will
sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the
land will be scorched.'
1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be
killed, resurrected and
transferred to heaven by APR-22.
1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book
circa 1860 titled "Our
Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the
belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that
secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded
from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960
CE.
1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of
Jerusalem. Many conservative
Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the
final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume
ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.
1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of
the Christian religious
group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth,
probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One
source indicated that he believed it would happen in 1973.
1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W.
Armstrong's empire suffered
a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as
Armstrong had predicted, thus bringing hardship to many people who had
given most of their assets to the church in the expectation of going to
Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3
1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the
end of the world will happen
during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come
early in the 21st century.
1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA,
predicted the rapture in 1981. 1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i
World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster
would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict,
ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.
1981: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an
anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and
Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist
would appear before 1981.
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church
predicted that the Kingdom of
Heaven would be established in this year.

1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world
would end in the fall of
1982.
1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the
"Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They
wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun,
tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and
temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align,
as seen from earth, but nothing unusual happened.
1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho,
teacher of what has been
called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive
destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made
catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very
destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced.
Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear.
Actually, the predictions were read by his secretary; their legitimacy is
doubtful.
1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war
of Aramageddon will start
on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that
the Battle of Armageddon
would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United
States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993,
Christ would return to earth.
1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD"
predicted that Jerusalem
would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule
Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps
the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the
history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the
20th century. All of the predictions failed.
1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great
Planet Earth" that the Rapture
was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the
state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his
reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well
indeed.
Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was
"super-psychic A.S. Narayana,"
predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit
Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11
when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.

1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described
some of Nostradamus
predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los
Angeles.
1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the
book "88 Reasons why the
Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible
that the rapture would come
within a few years of 1990.

.

User: "jw"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 03 Sep 2005 04:31:12 AM
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
article can be reproduced anywhere else without expressed written
consent of the author

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???


lol...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg

http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif

http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg

And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to
record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within
a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as
saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till
they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying:
"...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy

Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.
Which has been debunked many times before.
jw

in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime
during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply
that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the
middle of the 1st century. More details.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would
return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia
Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.
It didn't.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would
happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and
an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the
German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to
be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the
book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as
3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the
date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe.
The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ
returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in
anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were
unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far
worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts.
Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an
emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus.
His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be
in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during
Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the
alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that
King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was
founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population.
This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had
previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the
cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th
century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They
obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New
Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg
jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year.
20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to
Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker
movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the
Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1832: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, heard a voice and interpreted it as
implying that if he lived to the age of 85, Jesus would return. This would be the year 1890.
Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.
1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come
on this date.
1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is
now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit
their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went
without incident.
1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the
timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months
remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get
ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning,
they will have to learn in a few months." 10
1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the
fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present
at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues,
some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is,
some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days,
others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the
conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to
explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12
1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a
meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He
announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church
2:182)
1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the
Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the
book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time"
as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520
years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914
passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.
1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower
Society (WTS) or its members predicted. Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the
"battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.
The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date
definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would
be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is
going to do during that year." 6
The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the
estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in
the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year
1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's
creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also
failed.
The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely
6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.
More details on the WTS predictions.

1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a
magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.
1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of
the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.
1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy
conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen
in 1940 or 1941. 7
1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this
event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world
predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.
1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he
predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.
1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in
1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of
persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'
1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and
transferred to heaven by APR-22.
1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our
Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology
throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great
pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.
1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative
Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite
for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem.
That never happened.
1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious
group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid
1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would
happen in 1973.
1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered
a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus
bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation
of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3
1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen
during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st
century.
1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.
1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster
would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment
of God's Kingdom on earth.
1981: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and
Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of
Heaven would be established in this year.

1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years previously that the world would end in the fall of
1982.
1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They
wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create
solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes.
The planets did align, as seen from earth, but nothing unusual happened.
1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been
called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including
natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes,
very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San
Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his
secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.
1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start
on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon
would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist
dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.
1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem
would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would
be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest
Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the
20th century. All of the predictions failed.
1988: Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture
was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This
failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy
which sell very well indeed.
Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana,"
predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his
psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot
dead by a gunman.

1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus
predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.
1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the
Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come
within a few years of 1990.



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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 03 Sep 2005 06:55:50 PM

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Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.

Which has been debunked many times before.

Yes it has, all of it, but you and the others still cling to the myth of
christianity and a belief in a god.
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User: "Terraholm"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 03 Sep 2005 06:20:39 PM

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
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this article can be reproduced anywhere else without expressed
written consent of the author

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???


lol...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg

http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif

http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg

And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when


Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.

Which has been debunked many times before.

What did you not get about "Failed prophecies"? And yet someone thinks they can see the 'signs' now.
--
Laurel T
"Heaven has appointed me to rule all the
nations, for hitherto there has been no order
upon the steppes."
-Chingis Khan
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User: "jw"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 04 Sep 2005 01:03:45 PM
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:20:39 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 all rights reserved; no portion of this may be used
without expressed written consent of the author.

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of
this article can be reproduced anywhere else without expressed
written consent of the author

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???


lol...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg

http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif

http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg

And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when



Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.

Which has been debunked many times before.


What did you not get about "Failed prophecies"? And yet someone thinks they can see the 'signs' now.

I disagree that there are "failed prophesies." It's called "a
different POV" on the text. And since Christianity is a matter of
faith, different POVs on the text are permitted.
Whether YOU like it or not. I do not need or request your permission
to believe.
As for the signs today, if you imagine failed prophesies in the 1st C,
you certainly have the POV to not see the signs today.
I note you said not one single word about, "what are some of the
signs?"
You merely state conclusively that there are no signs being fulfilled
today, and you are quite wrong.
The Camp David accord itself contained fulfilled prophesy.
The 6-Day War of the 1970s fulfilled prophesy.
jw
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User: "thomas p"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 04 Sep 2005 05:31:11 PM
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 06:03:45 -0700, jw <wjohn1134@qwest.net> wrote:

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:20:39 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 all rights reserved; no portion of this may be used
without expressed written consent of the author.

x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:16:28 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:25:52 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of
this article can be reproduced anywhere else without expressed
written consent of the author

I think just perhaps you are missing a very important point here,
Terrell. The Bible says that God will send all sorts of signs of
His impending Coming, and yet the world will turn a deaf ear.


So you're the guy with the sign, then?


???


lol...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban11l.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0317l.jpg

http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/the_end_is_near.gif

http://anesthesia.duhs.duke.edu/education/aig/images/cartoon1.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan9l.jpg

And the best one
http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/patrick_procto.jpg


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs of
the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when



Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.

Which has been debunked many times before.


What did you not get about "Failed prophecies"? And yet someone thinks they can see the 'signs' now.


I disagree that there are "failed prophesies." It's called "a
different POV" on the text. And since Christianity is a matter of
faith, different POVs on the text are permitted.

Whether YOU like it or not. I do not need or request your permission
to believe.

As for the signs today, if you imagine failed prophesies in the 1st C,
you certainly have the POV to not see the signs today.

I note you said not one single word about, "what are some of the
signs?"

You merely state conclusively that there are no signs being fulfilled
today, and you are quite wrong.

The Camp David accord itself contained fulfilled prophesy.

The 6-Day War of the 1970s fulfilled prophesy.

You just make it up as you go along; that certainly makes it easy.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)

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User: "Terraholm"

Title: Re: When Bad Things Happen 04 Sep 2005 03:43:47 PM
jw wrote:

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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:20:39 -0700, "Terraholm"


No, I am not a person with a sign.

I believe I am one of many who is able to see or "read" the signs
of the End.

And I see them almost daily. But then, I'm looking.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
Failed prophecies:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when



Boy is THIS old, tired stuff.

Which has been debunked many times before.


What did you not get about "Failed prophecies"? And yet someone
thinks they can see the 'signs' now.


I disagree that there are "failed prophesies."

So the world ended several times and we missed it?
It's called "a

different POV" on the text. And since Christianity is a matter of
faith, different POVs on the text are permitted.

Whether YOU like it or not. I do not need or request your permission
to believe.

As for the signs today, if you imagine failed prophesies in the 1st C,
you certainly have the POV to not see the signs today.

I note you said not one single word about, "what are some of the
signs?"

It will likely be a large rock with a number.....or a super volcano, or if humanity lasts that long
the red giant sun engulfing the earth will be a clue...


Whether YOU like it or not. I do not need or request your permission
to believe.

Believe what you want as long as you are not in government passing conservation laws while thinking
they are not needed...
Only thing I have a problem with is that people with faith in the bibical end of the world are
legislating for all of of us and our future...

As for the signs today, if you imagine failed prophesies in the 1st C,
you certainly have the POV to not see the signs today.
I note you said not one single word about, "what are some of the
signs?"

How about these?
When Maitreya arises...
Saoshyant, the Man of Peace, shows up to battle evil...
A "White Buffalo Calf Woman" purifies the world...
The end of artificial time and the return to natural light. Some have that at 2012, the end of the
Mayan calendar...
the Kalki Avatar appears....
Odin loses a fight with Fenrir and is destroyed...but never fear Lif and Lifthrasir will be the
next adam and eve.

You merely state conclusively that there are no signs being fulfilled
today, and you are quite wrong.

The Camp David accord itself contained fulfilled prophesy.

The 6-Day War of the 1970s fulfilled prophesy.

Jews really should build a temple and sacrafice a red cow for ya...just think of the guys running
around with a sign then...
--
Laurel T
Man is the Religious Animal.
He is the only Religious Animal.
He is the only animal that has the
True Religion--several of them."
- Mark Twain
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