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"Tink" |
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02 Jan 2007 08:28:12 AM |
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Blasphemy Challenge |
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site on
Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
Also Newsweek has picked up the story. It's available in the 1-08
issue, or just read it here.
Beliefwatch: Blasphemy
'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and
you should too.'
Newsweek
Jan. 8, 2006 issue - With that five-second submission to YouTube, a
24-year-old who uses the name "menotsimple" has either condemned
herself to an eternity of punishment in the afterlife or struck a
courageous blow against superstition. She's one of more than 400 mostly
young people who have joined a campaign by the Web site
BlasphemyChallenge.com to stake their souls against the existence of
God. That, of course, is the ultimate no-win wager, as the 17th-century
French mathematician Blaise Pascal calculated—it can't be settled until
you're dead, and if you lose, you go to hell.
The Blasphemy Challenge is a joint project of filmmaker Brian Flemming,
director of the antireligion documentary "The God Who Wasn't There,"
and Brian Sapient, cofounder of the atheist Web site
RationalResponders.com. Their intent was to encourage atheists to come
forward and put their souls on the line, showing others that you don't
have to be afraid of God. The particular form of the challenge was
chosen because, by one interpretation, blasphemy against the Holy
Spirit, a part of the Christian Trinity, is the only sin that can never
be forgiven. And once something you've said gets posted on YouTube, as
any number of celebrities can attest, you never live it down.
For better or worse, though, hell may not be so easy to get into.
Despite the seemingly clear language in Mark 3:28-29 ("all the sins and
blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes
against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven"), most theologians are
reluctant to pronounce anyone beyond repentance and salvation. Richard
Land, a leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, says the passage,
read in context, refers to a very narrow and specific definition of
blasphemy: maliciously attributing God's miracles to a demon. Merely
"denying" the Holy Spirit, by this reading, doesn't qualify. "My
response," Land says, "would be to pray for these people: 'forgive
them, [for] they know not what they do'."
To which another self-described blasphemer, whose real name is Michael
Lawson, replies that he knows exactly what he's doing: he's daring God
to send him to hell. "We want to show that we really mean it when we
say we don't believe a word in this book," he says. He means the Bible.
God could not be reached for comment.
—Jerry Adler
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16409851/site/newsweek/
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away... It really pisses him off.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Blasphemy Challenge |
02 Jan 2007 07:01:37 PM |
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Tink wrote:
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site
on Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
Also Newsweek has picked up the story. It's available in the 1-08
issue, or just read it here.
Beliefwatch: Blasphemy
'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and
you should too.'
The RCC has that one nailed in what later became known as Catch 22. (Hmmm,
one of the Latin phrases sounds like two, two oh, I always thought of a
train.)
1. It is an unforgivable sin.
2. To commit the sin, you must understand what you are doing.
3. If you *really* understood it, you would not do it.
This was explained to me as a mere lad and I just now realized what I should
have asked the teacher.
Why didn't Satan, the other fallen angels and Adam get this chance?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Blasphemy Challenge |
03 Jan 2007 01:00:55 PM |
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Tink wrote:
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site on
Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
Also Newsweek has picked up the story. It's available in the 1-08
issue, or just read it here.
Beliefwatch: Blasphemy
'Hi my name is Lindy and I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit and
you should too.'
Newsweek
Jan. 8, 2006 issue - With that five-second submission to YouTube, a
24-year-old who uses the name "menotsimple" has either condemned
herself to an eternity of punishment in the afterlife or struck a
courageous blow against superstition. She's one of more than 400 mostly
young people
Yeah, we figured that. Most of you have the mentality of
five-year-olds.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Blasphemy Challenge |
02 Jan 2007 07:20:20 PM |
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Tink wrote:
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site on
Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
Happy 1300, Tink! Congrats!
(no, I don't jump..but I used to race sportscars. That's got to make us
cousins or something..)
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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02 Jan 2007 09:35:32 PM |
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On 2 Jan 2007 17:20:20 -0800, wrote:
Happy 1300, Tink! Congrats!
(no, I don't jump..but I used to race sportscars. That's got to make us
cousins or something..)
I tried racing a sports car once, but the sole came off my left trainer...
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| User: "" |
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03 Jan 2007 12:57:23 PM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On 2 Jan 2007 17:20:20 -0800, wrote:
Happy 1300, Tink! Congrats!
(no, I don't jump..but I used to race sportscars. That's got to make us
cousins or something..)
I tried racing a sports car once, but the sole came off my left trainer...
That was you? Your sole fouled the oil cooler and I overheated the
engine. If you made it past 14th street on the other shoe, you won! <g>
-PF, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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02 Jan 2007 06:18:41 PM |
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Tink wrote:
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site on
Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
Nice one, Tink.
<snip>
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Blasphemy Challenge |
02 Jan 2007 09:14:13 AM |
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Tink wrote:
For those of you who are interested, the website:
www.blasphemychallenge.com has began a champaign of public blasphemy.
What you do is go to the site, follow the link to the challenge site on
Youtube and post your video response. Here is a sample (my entry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs2ra0pod4M
I don't know about the rest of you, but there are somethings about this
"Blasphemy Challenge" that bugs the ***** out of me.
1. Herd mentality. "Hey guys, here's an idea. Let's create this
Internet site and challenge, give away a free DVD to the first 1000
entries, make it cutting edge and rebellious and the kids will just eat
it up." And they are too.
2. Bad memories. The whole process of this "Challenge" reminds me of
the whole confessional *****. But instead of confessing sins, you
are publicly professing what is supposed to be the worst sin of all, at
least as far as the xtians say. Not too sure that Allah would condemn
you for this, much less Vinush, or Woden. But Jehovah, oh yeah, he'll
smite thy ***** hard for denying his third personality.
3. Conformity. We atheists by identity are generally loners anyway.
One of the reasons it's so hard to be recognized is that we generally
don't join groups, have mass rallies, or draw a lot of attention to
ourselves. I think it has a lot to do with the whole, "live and let
live" mentality many of us have. But now, you have many groups trying
to draw in large numbers of atheists, to their causes. While I agree we
do need to stand up for ourselves and not let the established theocracy
try to belittle or discriminate against us, this "challenge" to me just
seems the wrong way to go about it.
Of course I do enjoy the fact that some 400 people committing a victim
less "crime" on the Internet can draw so much attention. And I do so
enjoy watching the fundies twist and squirm around the words to try and
say, "oh, that's not what it says, it actually says blah blah blah", and
the ever classic, "We'll pray for you" *****.
Since I don't believe in the book, or sin, or gods, the "Blasphemy
Challenge" to me is nothing more then a child's school yard taunt, aimed
at the sensitivities of one group of people, just to get a rise out of them.
Sorry, no thanks.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Nick Gisburne" |
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02 Jan 2007 10:53:59 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:14:13 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you, but there are somethings about this
"Blasphemy Challenge" that bugs the ***** out of me.
3. Conformity. We atheists by identity are generally loners anyway.
One of the reasons it's so hard to be recognized is that we generally
don't join groups, have mass rallies, or draw a lot of attention to
ourselves. I think it has a lot to do with the whole, "live and let
live" mentality many of us have. But now, you have many groups trying
to draw in large numbers of atheists, to their causes. While I agree we
do need to stand up for ourselves and not let the established theocracy
try to belittle or discriminate against us, this "challenge" to me just
seems the wrong way to go about it.
Just because in general atheists don't generally join other groups of
atheists doesn't mean that it is unnatural to do so. Just for this
simple challenge it's a positive thing for people to say yes, that
particular statement is something I agree with so I'm going to say it
too. Sometimes it's just good to know that there are hundreds of other
people who can relate to the same ideas.
I have no doubt that if the challenge had been something like, 'write
1000 words refuting the God of the Bible', the up-take would have been
much lower. Atheists don't believe in it, so why spend *that* much
time thinking about religion? But a 30-second video can just let
everyone know that 'we're here'.
Of course I do enjoy the fact that some 400 people committing a victim
less "crime" on the Internet can draw so much attention. And I do so
enjoy watching the fundies twist and squirm around the words to try and
say, "oh, that's not what it says, it actually says blah blah blah", and
the ever classic, "We'll pray for you" *****.
The fundie explanation that maybe it IS a forgivable sin is even more
ludicrous when you think of all the hoops you have to jump through to
be considered a 'true' Christian by the Evangelicals. Even the Pope
(and the other billion Catholics) are apparently going to burn in the
lake of fire, so someone who is prepared to say 'I deny the Holy
Spirit' isn't exactly top of the list for salvation.
Since I don't believe in the book, or sin, or gods, the "Blasphemy
Challenge" to me is nothing more then a child's school yard taunt, aimed
at the sensitivities of one group of people, just to get a rise out of them.
Sorry, no thanks.
In my YouTube persona of Gisburne2000 (I've now decided to leave) I
made a lot of videos about atheism but never took the challenge. For
one thing I already have the free DVD. For another, people were
getting increasingly inventive about where and when they were making
the videos (in church, even skydiving), and I didn't have an original
idea to match it. I still think that those people who take part are
just expressing a single, simple point, that they have no belief in
God, and that that should be recognised. 95% of them will never make
another atheist-oriented video again.
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| User: "jls" |
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| Title: Re: Blasphemy Challenge |
02 Jan 2007 11:24:50 AM |
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It's strange how the trinity thing defies logic, and yet not one
Christian perceives it.
First of all, the trinity is 3 in 1(if you can conceive of such an
irrational entity), so if you deny the existence of 1 you've denied the
other 2 also. If you insult god or jesus, you've also insulted the HG.
Secondly, if the trinity is such a majestic omnipotent thing, why would
it GAF if it were insulted. First thing I would do if I were one of
the 3 entities of the trinity, and someone denied my existence, or
blasphemed me, I'd just strike him dead. Then cry a little because I
had exterminated one of my children.
Even Lucifer, as you know, is a child of god. A rebellious child but
still a child.
Thirdly, how do Christians call themselves monotheists when in practice
they worship three gods -- Jesus, the HG, and Jehovah. And some of
them even worship a fourth, the virgin Mary, who mysteriously is still
a virgin even after having given birth to Jesus and several other
children.
And lastly, have you ever thought about this? On earth both men and
women enjoy the act of sexual intercourse. Among men it is the
greatest of all pleasures, even greater than winning the football pool.
Men will kill for it; women know that that little mons veneris, that
little delta of flesh, is all-powerful, the source of fabulous riches.
The desire for it is irresistible.
We are told in the bible that man is created in the image of god, and
yet there is no evidence of god's interest in prurience. Does god have
a set of gonads and a penis? If god is sexless and neuter, then I can
understand why on occasion he flies into a rage and commits mass
murder. But I can only see him, having shown his arse to Moses, as a
hetero male. So why have we heard absolutely nothing of his sex life?
Or that afterwards he fires up a big stogie.
Hell, we never heard anything of Jesus's sex life, except once when he
got a boner as Mary Magdalene rubbed his feet and moved on up his legs
with her artful hands.
But then the overprotected, insecure holy ghost, a wisp, a spirit, a
diaphanous, shapeless, utterly unsexy thing came down and humped Mary
and knocked her up. I don't get it. If God were number 1, why didn't
He do it? If I have the chance at such a delicious pleasure, damned if
I'm going to assign it to a subordinate. That's MY duty.
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As one 16-year-old Hamas youth leader in a Gaza refugee camp told USA
Today last June, "I know my life is poor compared to Europe or
America, but I have something awaiting me that makes all my suffering
worthwhile.Most boys can't stop thinking about the virgins."
And for variety, Islamic Paradise offers more than endless
heterosexual pleasure. The martyrs there will also spend eternity
serviced by handsome "boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them,
thou wouldst think them scattered pearls" (Koran 76:19) or "young
boys.as fair as virgin pearls" (Koran 52:24). Even on Earth, Allah
readily forgives men who repent after engaging in homosexual acts
(Koran 4:21).
From a dusty, poor refugee camp in Gaza, the suicide bomber as he
explodes will instantly be transported to this Paradise. This is why
many Palestinian bombers behave as grooms preparing for their wedding
to "the dark-eyed ones," and why one young bomber was found to have
wrapped his genitals to keep them intact for the exotic heavenly
thrills and pleasures awaiting him.
source: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4103
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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02 Jan 2007 05:54:02 PM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:24:50 -0600, jls wrote
(in article <1167758690.732256.145230@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>):
Thirdly, how do Christians call themselves monotheists when in practice they
worship three gods -- Jesus, the HG, and Jehovah. And some of them even
worship a fourth, the virgin Mary, who mysteriously is still a virgin even
after having given birth to Jesus and several other children.
You forgot some: the devil, and all his demons. Lots of gods, large and small
in that "monotheistic" religion(s).
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³The rapture's already happened and Jimmy Hoffa was the only one worthy.³ -
Witziges Rätsel
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| User: "" |
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03 Jan 2007 01:04:04 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
3. Conformity. We atheists by identity are generally loners anyway.
One of the reasons it's so hard to be recognized is that we generally
don't join groups, have mass rallies,
That's because normal, intelligent, functioning people don't like you.
And if you clowns ever get together, it's only a matter of time before
you go for each others' throats. I just wonder how many of you
cretoids are, say, happily married, support yourselves, etc., the usual
stuff of a balanced and normal functioning individual.....
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