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Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
Defendant calmly details string of 10 killings
Monday, June 27, 2005; Posted: 1:38 p.m. EDT (17:38 GMT)
WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer who
terrorized the Wichita area from the 1970s to the 1990s, pleaded guilty
Monday and described in cool and dispassionate detail how he killed 10
people to satisfy his sexual fantasies.
Rader, 60 entered the plea on what was supposed to be the first day of
his jury trial, saying a long and drawn out trial would only result in
his guilt at the end.
He listened matter-of-factly as Sedgwick County District Judge Greg
Waller read him each charge and asked if understood, even stopping
Waller to correct him when the judge misread a date from the charge
sheet.
At Waller's direction, Rader went down the list of charges, explaining
in a calm, dispassionate voice how he carried out each of the killings.
Rader said he broke into the home of Joseph and Julie Otero and tied
them up along with two of their children. He said he told them that he
was wanted and just needed a car and some food. He put a pillow under
Joseph Otero's head to make him more comfortable.
"I realized that, you know, I was already -- I didn't have a mask on or
anything -- they already could I.D. me," Rader said. "I made a decision
to go ahead and put 'em down, I guess, or strangle them."
Rader described how he killed each member of the Otero family, but he
said they did not die right away.
"I had never strangled anyone before, so I really didn't know how much
pressure you had to put on a person or how long it would take," he said.
"BTK" was the killer's self-named reference to his preference to "bind,
torture and kill" his victims in the string of murders from 1974 to
1991.
Rader explained how, in most of his cases, he chose and then stalked
several people at a time -- referring to them as "projects" or
"potential hits."
"If one didn't work out, I just moved to another one," Rader said.
Rader told the court he selected his victims as he played out fantasies.
Asked what kinds of fantasies he was having, Rader said "sexual
fantasies."
"If you've read much about serial killers, they go through what they
call different phases. In the trolling stage, basically, you're looking
for a victim at that time. You can be trolling for months or years, but
once you lock in on a certain person, you become a stalker. There might
be several of them, but you really hone in on one person. They basically
become the ... victim. Or, at least that's what you want it to be,"
Rader said.
He told the judge he had prepared a "hit kit," equipment he used in the
killings, as well as "hit clothes" that he wore and later got rid of.
Rader said he chose Shirley Vian, 26, at random and forced his way into
her apartment with a .357-caliber Magnum handgun on March 17, 1977. Her
children "got real upset," so Rader had her lock them in a bathroom
before covering her head with a bag and strangling her.
In more than one case, Rader said he took Polaroid photos of his
victims. After killing Marine Hedge in April 1985, Rader said, he
stripped his victim, tied her up, took her to another location, then
took photos depicting "different forms of bondage" before hiding her
body in a ditch.
After hearing descriptions of each of the 10 killings, Waller found
Rader guilty of all charges. Rader also waived his right to a jury trial
on the sentencing.
Under Kansas law, Raider can be sentenced to life in prison for each
charge, but could become eligible for parole.
Consecutive terms to be sought
Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston said she will ask the
maximum sentence possible -- for each of those sentences to be served
consecutively. "He should serve 175 years to life," said Foulston, who
said she plans to present evidence on every killing at Rader's
sentencing hearing.
The last BTK killing occurred in 1991 after Kansas stiffened its murder
statutes, which means Rader could be sentenced to a minimum 40 years in
prison without a chance of parole on that count.
Waller set August 17 as the sentencing date.
Rader cannot face the death penalty because Kansas did not reinstate the
death penalty until 1994, three years after his last killing.
Rader's attorney, Steve Osborne, said all defenses were considered,
including insanity, but after experts were called in it became apparent
"there was no viable insanity defense."
Osborne said that based on evidence the prosecution had, including a
confession and DNA evidence, it was apparent there was "a very solid
case for the state."
Osborne said the detailed account that Waller asked for and got from
Rader for each of the crimes was a complete surprise. He said he hoped
that it provided closure to the families of the victims.
Killer a church president
Rader, who had been the president of his Lutheran church council,
taunted authorities and the media with letters and packages he sent them
over several years, some with before-and-after photos of the victims.
Christ Lutheran Church pastor Michael Clark said Rader, also a former
Boy Scout leader, had been involved in church leadership for 30 years
and was elected church council president just before his arrest.
Rader was arrested in what authorities said was a routine traffic stop.
He worked for the Wichita suburb of Park City as a compliance supervisor
in charge of animal control, nuisances, inoperable vehicles and general
code compliance.
Authorities initially linked him to eight deaths, but added two more
after his arrest.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
27 Jun 2005 01:34:41 PM |
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In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
27 Jun 2005 01:45:19 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
rj
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
27 Jun 2005 02:26:03 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
Maybe people who feel guilty or have head problems
seek comfort in religion, to try and ease their
pain. It is cheaper than mental health care,
at least at first, and you do not have to admit
you have a bigger problem than anyone else.
Larry
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
27 Jun 2005 10:47:28 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0700, wrote:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
Maybe people who feel guilty or have head problems
seek comfort in religion, to try and ease their
pain. It is cheaper than mental health care,
at least at first, and you do not have to admit
you have a bigger problem than anyone else.
Larry
I dunno. It pretty much looks like crazy people like fundamentalist
religions because other fundies will excuse any misbehavior or
appearance of misbehavior because fundamentalism has to encourage such
disfunctionality to exist that it becomes too hard to tell if someone
is a real psycho or just another parishioner.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
28 Jun 2005 09:52:22 AM |
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In article <42dd9a39.431561875@news-west.newscene.com>,
cobalt@newscene.com says...
On 27 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0700, wrote:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
Maybe people who feel guilty or have head problems
seek comfort in religion, to try and ease their
pain. It is cheaper than mental health care,
at least at first, and you do not have to admit
you have a bigger problem than anyone else.
Larry
I dunno. It pretty much looks like crazy people like fundamentalist
religions because other fundies will excuse any misbehavior or
appearance of misbehavior because fundamentalism has to encourage such
disfunctionality to exist that it becomes too hard to tell if someone
is a real psycho or just another parishioner.
Exactamundo. Religious people, like the assorted venomous snakes and
lizards that they are, are very into camouflage and that provides great
cover to conmen and sociopaths.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
28 Jun 2005 04:05:51 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <42dd9a39.431561875@news-west.newscene.com>,
cobalt@newscene.com says...
On 27 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0700, wrote:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
Maybe people who feel guilty or have head problems
seek comfort in religion, to try and ease their
pain. It is cheaper than mental health care,
at least at first, and you do not have to admit
you have a bigger problem than anyone else.
Larry
I dunno. It pretty much looks like crazy people like fundamentalist
religions because other fundies will excuse any misbehavior or
appearance of misbehavior because fundamentalism has to encourage such
disfunctionality to exist that it becomes too hard to tell if someone
is a real psycho or just another parishioner.
Exactamundo. Religious people, like the assorted venomous snakes and
lizards that they are, are very into camouflage and that provides great
cover to conmen and sociopaths.
Well I certainly think this true of politicians,
playing up God and Country while they slimball
their way to millions.
Larry
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: 'Blind, torture, kill', church leader confesses, no not Bush. |
28 Jun 2005 10:18:03 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2005 22:47:28 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0700, wrote:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.1d29f4a97f808e5989777
@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, says...
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
He also pleads guilty to being a fundy, repug *****. What a surprise.
I wonder if the stress caused by believing the long line of xtian *****
and lies when they are logically impossible causes some fundies to snap. It
is the sort of same problem HAL had in 2010.
Maybe people who feel guilty or have head problems
seek comfort in religion, to try and ease their
pain. It is cheaper than mental health care,
at least at first, and you do not have to admit
you have a bigger problem than anyone else.
Larry
I dunno. It pretty much looks like crazy people like fundamentalist
religions because other fundies will excuse any misbehavior or
appearance of misbehavior because fundamentalism has to encourage such
disfunctionality to exist that it becomes too hard to tell if someone
is a real psycho or just another parishioner.
Most Christians in the developed world aren't evangelical
fundamentalists. Even in the USA outside the bible belt. But
Christianity is an evangelising conversion religion. I think most
non-fundies feel they should even if they don't, and view fundies as
practicing their religion - until it's too late.
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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28 Jun 2005 11:36:45 AM |
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In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, RobH <Rob@aol.com>
wrote:
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
Defendant calmly details string of 10 killings
[snip story]
It is my fervent belief that Dennis Rader should be released,
immediately and publicly, wearing nothing but prison overalls. No
money. No weapons. No protection. No credit cards. No ATM cards. And
that any survivors of his crimes and their relatives be notified
beforehand.
-Frank
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fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
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| User: "" |
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29 Jun 2005 09:38:06 PM |
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Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <Xns9682868D6B6ACu8k590t@24.93.43.121>, RobH <Rob@aol.com>
wrote:
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
Defendant calmly details string of 10 killings
[snip story]
It is my fervent belief that Dennis Rader should be released,
immediately and publicly, wearing nothing but prison overalls. No
money. No weapons. No protection. No credit cards. No ATM cards. And
that any survivors of his crimes and their relatives be notified
beforehand.
Well Frank I can understand your feelings here, but
hurting Rader will not help those who have been hurt.
The desire to hurt someone is the seed that created the
crime in the first place.
Larry
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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27 Jun 2005 05:01:52 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:12:53 GMT, RobH <Rob@aol.com> thought hard and
wrote:
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
Defendant calmly details string of 10 killings
Monday, June 27, 2005; Posted: 1:38 p.m. EDT (17:38 GMT)
WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer who
terrorized the Wichita area from the 1970s to the 1990s, pleaded guilty
Monday and described in cool and dispassionate detail how he killed 10
people to satisfy his sexual fantasies.
Rader, 60 entered the plea on what was supposed to be the first day of
his jury trial, saying a long and drawn out trial would only result in
his guilt at the end.
He listened matter-of-factly as Sedgwick County District Judge Greg
Waller read him each charge and asked if understood, even stopping
Waller to correct him when the judge misread a date from the charge
sheet.
At Waller's direction, Rader went down the list of charges, explaining
in a calm, dispassionate voice how he carried out each of the killings.
Rader's lawyer(s?) were going to try an insanity defense, right? He
seems perfectly sane to me.
Hah.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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29 Jun 2005 06:33:35 AM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> astounded us with:
news:0pt0c1t2ddmra9e1mnno91o0tcgjkfpe6c@4ax.com:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:12:53 GMT, RobH <Rob@aol.com> thought hard and
wrote:
Rader pleads guilty to BTK murders
Defendant calmly details string of 10 killings
Monday, June 27, 2005; Posted: 1:38 p.m. EDT (17:38 GMT)
WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer who
terrorized the Wichita area from the 1970s to the 1990s, pleaded guilty
Monday and described in cool and dispassionate detail how he killed 10
people to satisfy his sexual fantasies.
Rader, 60 entered the plea on what was supposed to be the first day of
his jury trial, saying a long and drawn out trial would only result in
his guilt at the end.
He listened matter-of-factly as Sedgwick County District Judge Greg
Waller read him each charge and asked if understood, even stopping
Waller to correct him when the judge misread a date from the charge
sheet.
At Waller's direction, Rader went down the list of charges, explaining
in a calm, dispassionate voice how he carried out each of the killings.
Rader's lawyer(s?) were going to try an insanity defense, right? He
seems perfectly sane to me.
Hah.
Ummmm, theist? sane? I don't think so, try this link
www.jesusneverexisted.com
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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