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"dangdangdoodle2" |
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12 Apr 2005 08:56:51 AM |
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Blowing the religious right out of the water |
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
That's right. She, because of her deeply held religious beliefs, would
choose DEATH rather than go against the irrational programming she was
indoctrinated with in her youth.
She would choose to act in a manner which is completely harmful to
herself and others based solely on reasons which make no sense
whatsoever. For instance, when she has kids, she would not agree to them
getting a blood transfusion to save their lives either.
Now of course, not all the religious right believe that getting a blood
transfusion is wrong, BUT ALL THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT ACT FROM DEEPLY
PROGRAMMED IRRATIONAL BELIEFS. They do not act from rational thinking
except in a superficial way or when under pressure to do so. The
irrational programming will always override rational thinking depending
of course on how deeply programmed particular beliefs are, AND IT WILL
ALWAYS "FEEL CORRECT" TO THEM. Indeed! Rational thoughts and actions
will even appear wrong to them if it conflicts with their programming.
(This explains those who choose to commit suicide to take some of the
enemy with them, as well as those who needlessly go off to fight an
unnecessary war, or those who give their lives over to serve a god, etc,
etc.)
Now you might say, what does it matter to me if one girl wants to refuse
a transfusion for herself or even her kids, but it matters to the utmost.
George Bush for instance, is a religious right. He choose to mass murder
100,000 Iraqi people, more than half of which, were innocent women and
children, for no good rational reason whatsoever. Yet, it feels correct
to him and to those who share the same deep irrational christian
programming that he does -ignoring rare exceptions.
(Bush's other extremely harmful mistakes temporarily aside)
He could not hear all the rational people telling him not to invade
Iraq, that the UN Inspectors had scoured Iraq and no WMD's were to be
found, that invading Iraq would ultimately bring greater harm to the US,
etc,. He could not hear because he was acting from deeply held
irrational beliefs to the contrary.
Do you know the ridiculous irrational beliefs that Bush and the
religious right hold?
You should find out BEFORE you contimue to give them your support.
--
the dang
Until a person takes on the task of reprogramming their subconscious
with rational beliefs, they are living as unaware robot slaves to those
who have programmed them, to those who have feed them their beliefs.
"A wise man has the power to reason away, what a fool believes."
Doobie Brothers
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 05:11:37 PM |
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"dangdangdoodle2" <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:2d60245e97692e61cb3afe7010bfbe51@grapevine.islandnet.com...
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
Would this not include if she needs major surgery?
I had to undergo some a couple of years ago - guess what...Im fine and
healthy.
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| User: "Azrael" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 08:31:55 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:11:37 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
"dangdangdoodle2" <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:2d60245e97692e61cb3afe7010bfbe51@grapevine.islandnet.com...
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
Would this not include if she needs major surgery?
I had to undergo some a couple of years ago - guess what...Im fine and
healthy.
My guess is she would not realize that you get blood during a surgery,
ignorince is bless and all.
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 09:27:12 PM |
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Azrael wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:11:37 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
"dangdangdoodle2" <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:2d60245e97692e61cb3afe7010bfbe51@grapevine.islandnet.com...
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using
the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood
tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
Would this not include if she needs major surgery?
I had to undergo some a couple of years ago - guess what...Im fine
and
healthy.
My guess is she would not realize that you get blood during a
surgery,
ignorince is bless and all.
In this case, it's not surgery but chemotherapy. She has cancer
(leukemia, I think but I'm not positive) and the chemo is killing her
bone marrow. Therefore she cannot produce enough hemoglobin. She has
not needed a transfusion so far and has had at least one round of
chemo. She has one round of chemo left and the Court has ordered that
if the doctor thinks she needs a transfusion, she gets one.
I think it's a sound decision, although I can certainly see the
Darwinian argument of letting her off herself to remove such silliness
from the gene pool. She's only 14, though, so there is hope that she
will see reason and abandon her faith.
IMO, the more of these cases there are involving Jehovah's Witlesses,
the more it exposes the danger of their cult. If this case gives one
person the strength to turn down the door-knockers, it's been worth it.
Jon.
aa #703
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 05:39:42 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"dangdangdoodle2" <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:2d60245e97692e61cb3afe7010bfbe51@grapevine.islandnet.com...
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
Would this not include if she needs major surgery?
I had to undergo some a couple of years ago - guess what...Im fine and
healthy.
I think the OP was referring to a Jehova's Witness in British Columbia,
since I seem to remember hearing something about that particular
goofiness, but I have some Christian Science relatives that would be
against any kind of surgery. Technically, anyway. It's funny how as
they start to get old, itheir long-held beliefs ***** themselves away.
So far, out of five Christian Science relatives I'm aware of, only one
has remained true to his faith. He's still trying to prayer-heal the
hernia he's had for three years. Of the other four, two died from
cancer, one died from a heart attack, and the last had a stroke. All
four chose to spend their final days in the hospital receiving
conventional treatment. Big surprise, eh?
--
James B, former monkey #4,567,000,000
aa #944
"Hence the greatest crimes have been found, in many instances,
compatible with a superstitious piety and devotion: Hence, it
is justly regarded as unsafe to draw any certain inference in
favour of a man's morals from the fervour or strictness of his
religious exercises, even though he himself believe them sincere."
-David Hume, "The Natural History of Religion"
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 02:47:32 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:56:51 -0700, dangdangdoodle2 <noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
That's right. She, because of her deeply held religious beliefs, would
choose DEATH rather than go against the irrational programming she was
indoctrinated with in her youth.
She would choose to act in a manner which is completely harmful to
herself and others based solely on reasons which make no sense
whatsoever. For instance, when she has kids, she would not agree to them
getting a blood transfusion to save their lives either.
Fine with me. Anything to get such idiocy out of the gene pool is good.
Civilization owes her nothing. She is free to kill herself in any number of
ways and the sooner she gets it over with, the better.
What we really need is a state sponsered suicide cult. Go straight to heaven
if you off yourself.
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| User: "dangdangdoodle2" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 09:52:13 PM |
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In article
<slrnd5nns4.hmh.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:56:51 -0700, dangdangdoodle2
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
That's right. She, because of her deeply held religious beliefs, would
choose DEATH rather than go against the irrational programming she was
indoctrinated with in her youth.
She would choose to act in a manner which is completely harmful to
herself and others based solely on reasons which make no sense
whatsoever. For instance, when she has kids, she would not agree to them
getting a blood transfusion to save their lives either.
Fine with me. Anything to get such idiocy out of the gene pool is good.
Civilization owes her nothing. She is free to kill herself in any number of
ways and the sooner she gets it over with, the better.
What we really need is a state sponsered suicide cult. Go straight to heaven
if you off yourself.
What about if we could find a way to deprogram her, or even better,
start preventing more and more children from being indoctrinated with
the nonsense?
Deprogramming actually starts at home. I may be putting forward
something along those lines in the future.
--
the dang
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
15 Apr 2005 05:31:48 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:52:13 -0700, dangdangdoodle2
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
In article
<slrnd5nns4.hmh.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:56:51 -0700, dangdangdoodle2
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC
Canada, to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if
she needed one to save her life.
That's right. She, because of her deeply held religious beliefs, would
choose DEATH rather than go against the irrational programming she was
indoctrinated with in her youth.
She would choose to act in a manner which is completely harmful to
herself and others based solely on reasons which make no sense
whatsoever. For instance, when she has kids, she would not agree to them
getting a blood transfusion to save their lives either.
Fine with me. Anything to get such idiocy out of the gene pool is good.
Civilization owes her nothing. She is free to kill herself in any number of
ways and the sooner she gets it over with, the better.
What we really need is a state sponsered suicide cult. Go straight to heaven
if you off yourself.
What about if we could find a way to deprogram her, or even better,
start preventing more and more children from being indoctrinated with
the nonsense?
Deprogramming actually starts at home. I may be putting forward
something along those lines in the future.
The home *is* where the problem is started and continued.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
15 Apr 2005 06:09:27 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:31:48 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:52:13 -0700, dangdangdoodle2
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
What about if we could find a way to deprogram her, or even better,
start preventing more and more children from being indoctrinated with
the nonsense?
Deprogramming actually starts at home. I may be putting forward
something along those lines in the future.
The home *is* where the problem is started and continued.
That and the institutions that perpetuate the child abuse to perpetuate
themselves.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
16 Apr 2005 12:50:38 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:09:27 -0500, TCS
<The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:31:48 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:52:13 -0700, dangdangdoodle2
<noteathanks@islandnet.com> wrote:
What about if we could find a way to deprogram her, or even better,
start preventing more and more children from being indoctrinated with
the nonsense?
Deprogramming actually starts at home. I may be putting forward
something along those lines in the future.
The home *is* where the problem is started and continued.
That and the institutions that perpetuate the child abuse to perpetuate
themselves.
A child/children are nothing when compared to the importance of the
parental eternal life.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Blowing the religious right out of the water |
12 Apr 2005 04:55:19 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:56:51 -0700, dangdangdoodle2 wrote:
A major problem of the religious right can be understood by using the
example of the 14 year old christian girl who went to court in BC Canada,
to try to prevent doctors from giving her a blood tranfusion if she needed
one to save her life.
That's right. She, because of her deeply held religious beliefs, would
choose DEATH rather than go against the irrational programming she was
indoctrinated with in her youth.
She would choose to act in a manner which is completely harmful to herself
and others based solely on reasons which make no sense whatsoever. For
instance, when she has kids, she would not agree to them getting a blood
transfusion to save their lives either.
Now of course, not all the religious right believe that getting a blood
transfusion is wrong, BUT ALL THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT ACT FROM DEEPLY
PROGRAMMED IRRATIONAL BELIEFS. They do not act from rational thinking
except in a superficial way or when under pressure to do so. The
irrational programming will always override rational thinking depending of
course on how deeply programmed particular beliefs are, AND IT WILL ALWAYS
"FEEL CORRECT" TO THEM. Indeed! Rational thoughts and actions will even
appear wrong to them if it conflicts with their programming.
(This explains those who choose to commit suicide to take some of the
enemy with them, as well as those who needlessly go off to fight an
unnecessary war, or those who give their lives over to serve a god, etc,
etc.)
Now you might say, what does it matter to me if one girl wants to refuse a
transfusion for herself or even her kids, but it matters to the utmost.
George Bush for instance, is a religious right. He choose to mass murder
100,000 Iraqi people, more than half of which, were innocent women and
children, for no good rational reason whatsoever. Yet, it feels correct to
him and to those who share the same deep irrational christian programming
that he does -ignoring rare exceptions.
(Bush's other extremely harmful mistakes temporarily aside)
He could not hear all the rational people telling him not to invade Iraq,
that the UN Inspectors had scoured Iraq and no WMD's were to be found,
that invading Iraq would ultimately bring greater harm to the US, etc,. He
could not hear because he was acting from deeply held irrational beliefs
to the contrary.
Do you know the ridiculous irrational beliefs that Bush and the religious
right hold?
You should find out BEFORE you contimue to give them your support.
--
the dang
Until a person takes on the task of reprogramming their subconscious with
rational beliefs, they are living as unaware robot slaves to those who
have programmed them, to those who have feed them their beliefs.
"A wise man has the power to reason away, what a fool believes." Doobie
Brothers
It is, unfortunately, the nature of stupidity that it is easier to
recognize: a) in someone else, and b) when it is too late to do you any
good.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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