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"Lost Planet Airman" |
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26 Feb 2006 09:28:36 PM |
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Born again atheists |
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
26 Feb 2006 11:48:25 PM |
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In <0LmdnUn7YKp47J_ZRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Lost Planet Airman
<knightrd@comcast.net> wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I have
another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously "born
again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I mean the
old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
Yes.
In fact, I was raised in the sect that founded modern fundamentalism.
(I'm *so proud)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Churches are closing...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M611110AC
Mardi Gras is rolling...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
Now, what was this about god's judgement?
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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26 Feb 2006 11:31:27 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman <knightrd@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0LmdnUn7YKp47J_ZRVn-uA@comcast.com:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
By virtue of that first statement "I don't know if there is a god or not."
defines one as an agnostic.
The Altar Call, immersion Baptism and the rest are nothing but
psychological games, parlor tricks, and mass hypnosis. Been there, done
that, done it all, got the t-shirt and the 7 transistor pocket radio.
Let me in on a little secret. It is all *****. It changes nothing.
Sure you get this euphoric feeling but that is all part of the game. If
you study psychology you will find that these methods are tried and true
and have been used for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Ny stance? There is no God. It is impossible. Just look at the orbits of
the planets. He can't even make a circle. Sure he got better and better
as he moved in toward the sun but you would think that he would go back and
fix Pluto for chrissake. And what about that planet that has its axis on
the horizontal? What's up with that? No, there can be no God. No God can
be *that* incompetent.
pierce
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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26 Feb 2006 10:47:16 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
For sure. You'll find a number of them, for example, in the forums of
www.exchristian.net. ;)
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
I'd say it kind of makes one a "jebus-specific agnostic" bordering on
atheism of the same specification. ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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| User: "D-word" |
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28 Feb 2006 11:16:18 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:47:16 +0100, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Apathy does not define a particular system of thought or cosmology. It
doesn't make you an atheist, an agnostic, or a theist. However, it
does suggest theism because most atheists, while they might claim
otherwise, care greatly. (Witness the lively discussions that take
place in this forum.) In many ways, the degree to which they care
defines them. Most agnostics also care, but attach far less value to
certainty. They don't take the question of cosmology personally.
The fact that you still have some belief in a hell means that you
still have belief in a theistic model, and therefore I would classify
you as a disenfranchised theist. You are questioning faith, but you
haven't replaced your view of the world with a new paradigm. The most
telling fact is that for both atheists and agnostics, there is no "he"
to speak of, no agent.
I'd say it kind of makes one a "jebus-specific agnostic" bordering on
atheism of the same specification. ;)
I think the differences between atheism and agnosticism are not as
fluid as you suggest. The two are disparate, and those differences are
often poorly and inaccurately portrayed. I myself am an agnostic for
the simple reason that logic compels me not to believe that for which
I have no basis for belief.
Most modern so-called definitions of agnosticism get too hung up on
the notion of the "unknown." For me it has little to do with what I
believe can be /known/, and more to with what can be /demonstrated/,
and on that point, Huxley was entirely clear. Unfortunately, most
discussion today on the subject is imprecise. People stretch
definitions to suit their needs -- and often end up mirroring their
own lack of clarity.
--
"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live
is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected." -- H.L. Mencken
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| User: "D-word" |
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28 Feb 2006 11:21:31 PM |
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D-word wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:47:16 +0100, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Apathy does not define a particular system of thought or cosmology. It
doesn't make you an atheist, an agnostic, or a theist. However, it
does suggest theism because most atheists, while they might claim
otherwise, care greatly. (Witness the lively discussions that take
place in this forum.) In many ways, the degree to which they care
defines them. Most agnostics also care, but attach far less value to
certainty. They don't take the question of cosmology personally.
The fact that you still have some belief in a hell means that you
still have belief in a theistic model, and therefore I would classify
you as a disenfranchised theist.
"disenchanted" rather. I imagine you can still vote.
You are questioning faith, but you
haven't replaced your view of the world with a new paradigm. The most
telling fact is that for both atheists and agnostics, there is no "he"
to speak of, no agent.
I'd say it kind of makes one a "jebus-specific agnostic" bordering on
atheism of the same specification. ;)
I think the differences between atheism and agnosticism are not as
fluid as you suggest. The two are disparate, and those differences are
often poorly and inaccurately portrayed. I myself am an agnostic for
the simple reason that logic compels me not to believe that for which
I have no basis for belief.
Most modern so-called definitions of agnosticism get too hung up on
the notion of the "unknown." For me it has little to do with what I
believe can be /known/, and more to with what can be /demonstrated/,
and on that point, Huxley was entirely clear. Unfortunately, most
discussion today on the subject is imprecise. People stretch
definitions to suit their needs -- and often end up mirroring their
own lack of clarity.
--
"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live
is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected." -- H.L. Mencken
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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28 Feb 2006 05:55:49 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
For sure. You'll find a number of them, for example, in the forums of
www.exchristian.net. ;)
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
I'd say it kind of makes one a "jebus-specific agnostic" bordering on
atheism of the same specification. ;)
May I have permission to use the terms "jebus-specific agnostic" at
later times, such as for a pen-name, or a blog, or what-have-you?
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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01 Mar 2006 10:14:19 AM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
May I have permission to use the terms "jebus-specific agnostic" at
later times, such as for a pen-name, or a blog, or what-have-you?
As far as I'm concerned, go ahead. :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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| User: "Richo" |
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27 Feb 2006 09:04:55 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Be careful! You never know where questions will lead you!
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
Absolutely yes!
See the stories of Nemo or Cappella for examples:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Click on :
"My Religious Autobiography"
http://www.goatstar.org/why-i-am-no-longer-a-christian/
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Sounds like your an apathetic agnostic.
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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26 Feb 2006 11:15:28 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again".
Yes.
I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
Right.
Such an experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount.
Understand that a charismatic leader in the right atmosphere can
convince a crowd of almost anything. When I "got saved", I felt this
warm (maybe hot?) feeling all through my body, and that was essentially
all I could feel, the rest of me was numb. As I started to doubt the
existence of God, I began noticing that I could cause feelings of the
sort just by being in the right frame of mind. (Granted, never as
strongly, but there's a difference when you're consciously toying with
your body like that and being led by an experienced practicioner of the
art.) I don't know that there's a causal link between my doubts and my
discovery that I can manufacture such feelings, but all the pieces on
which I'd built my faith sort of fell away all at once.
It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
What do you mean by this? You weren't an atheist before this
experience, or you have never been since?
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Satanism isn't always that bad. There are lots of types of it actually,
some of which have theologies more consistent with reality than those
of most mainstream religions. And they actually tend to support
attitudes like individualism. Really, if you're going to stick with
theism, give Satanism a try.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Personally, I wouldn't put so much thought into a label. Just figure
out what you believe. If you really don't care, just say so.
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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28 Feb 2006 05:57:03 PM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again".
Yes.
I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
Right.
Such an experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount.
Understand that a charismatic leader in the right atmosphere can
convince a crowd of almost anything. When I "got saved", I felt this
warm (maybe hot?) feeling all through my body, and that was essentially
all I could feel, the rest of me was numb. As I started to doubt the
existence of God, I began noticing that I could cause feelings of the
sort just by being in the right frame of mind. (Granted, never as
strongly, but there's a difference when you're consciously toying with
your body like that and being led by an experienced practicioner of the
art.) I don't know that there's a causal link between my doubts and my
discovery that I can manufacture such feelings, but all the pieces on
which I'd built my faith sort of fell away all at once.
It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
What do you mean by this? You weren't an atheist before this
experience, or you have never been since?
I was raised in the church. All the time. I mean to say, that the
experience was so powerful, even though I might say I didn't believe in
God, there would always be that lingering "well what about that time..."
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Satanism isn't always that bad. There are lots of types of it actually,
some of which have theologies more consistent with reality than those
of most mainstream religions. And they actually tend to support
attitudes like individualism. Really, if you're going to stick with
theism, give Satanism a try.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Personally, I wouldn't put so much thought into a label. Just figure
out what you believe. If you really don't care, just say so.
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
01 Mar 2006 05:04:38 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:57:03 -0600, Lost Planet Airman
<knightrd@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Chris Johnson wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again".
Yes.
I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style.
Right.
Such an experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount.
Understand that a charismatic leader in the right atmosphere can
convince a crowd of almost anything. When I "got saved", I felt this
warm (maybe hot?) feeling all through my body, and that was essentially
all I could feel, the rest of me was numb. As I started to doubt the
existence of God, I began noticing that I could cause feelings of the
sort just by being in the right frame of mind. (Granted, never as
strongly, but there's a difference when you're consciously toying with
your body like that and being led by an experienced practicioner of the
art.) I don't know that there's a causal link between my doubts and my
discovery that I can manufacture such feelings, but all the pieces on
which I'd built my faith sort of fell away all at once.
It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
What do you mean by this? You weren't an atheist before this
experience, or you have never been since?
I was raised in the church. All the time. I mean to say, that the
experience was so powerful, even though I might say I didn't believe in
God, there would always be that lingering "well what about that time..."
That vanishes in time. However, if you're going to do that then lay the
bad stuff at his feet, too.
Old Honeymooner's TV skit:
Ralph-the bus driver (jackie gleason)
" Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *who* was it that took you to the hospital
when you got hit with the baseball bat?"
Norton-the sewer worker neighbor (art carney)
"*You* did, Ralph, *after* you hit me with it!"
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Peter" |
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28 Feb 2006 11:21:23 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Sounds like a believer to me.
Peter
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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28 Feb 2006 06:13:14 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
I think your last paragraph is contradictory. On one hand the person
says they don't know if there's a god or not. In the very next sentence
that same god whose existence is questioned is playing games and
sending people to hell. Clearly whoever uttered this sentence believes
in "God," he just doesn't like him much.
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| User: "Richo" |
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28 Feb 2006 08:12:34 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
I think your last paragraph is contradictory. On one hand the person
says they don't know if there's a god or not. In the very next sentence
that same god whose existence is questioned is playing games and
sending people to hell. Clearly whoever uttered this sentence believes
in "God," he just doesn't like him much.
I suspect he is in transition - he can see that a lot of what he
learned as a christian is ***** but hasnt quite got every little
implanted mind virus out of every little nook and cranny - yet.
Like all of us he is a "work in progress".
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
01 Mar 2006 05:41:03 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2006 18:12:34 -0800, "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote
in alt.atheism
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
I think your last paragraph is contradictory. On one hand the person
says they don't know if there's a god or not. In the very next sentence
that same god whose existence is questioned is playing games and
sending people to hell. Clearly whoever uttered this sentence believes
in "God," he just doesn't like him much.
I suspect he is in transition - he can see that a lot of what he
learned as a christian is ***** but hasnt quite got every little
implanted mind virus out of every little nook and cranny - yet.
Like all of us he is a "work in progress".
8-)
That's it. The elimination of the tentacles (think Ga'ould) is
intricate 'surgery' and takes time.
Dang. I'm having more and more trouble spelling words much less
recognizing when I get them wrong. :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Peter" |
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28 Feb 2006 11:23:38 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Why is Satanist worse?
Peter
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
01 Mar 2006 05:41:35 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2006 21:23:38 -0800, "Peter" <grendlemonster@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Why is Satanist worse?
Because the Church says so.
Peter
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
28 Feb 2006 06:00:06 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
<Raises hand> I am. I was a saved, Bible-believing Christian
fundamentalist, active in the church, the Babtist youth group, and the
choir, until the age of 19.
Then I grew up. Once you get over the extreme fear of death they beat
into you and learn to think rationally, it's like falling off a log.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
26 Feb 2006 10:11:12 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
If you stop and think about what actually happened...that it was a very
emotional situation and you had been programmed your whole life to
believe that when you had such an experience that it was god doing
it....and then think about what really happened, it was not what you
thought it was....you fooled yourself! then maybe you can indeed call
yourself an atheist.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
It doesn't make one any of the above. But it is what we might expect
to hear from a disillusioned Christian.
Satan is make believe, hell is make belive, God is make believe. When
you die, you're dead. How could it be otherwise? if you actually do
think with your brain. When your brain quits working because you're
dead, you won't think any more. It's not rocket science....
Don't sweat it.
Jim
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
26 Feb 2006 10:28:10 PM |
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Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Probably the best known is Dan Barker, who went from fundie preacher to
co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He's written a book
about it:
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Sounds like either an agnostic or a theist who's mad at their god.
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: AQOTM nomination (was Re: Born again atheists) |
28 Feb 2006 08:33:35 PM |
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In article <1141014490.070825.148040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Panama Floyd <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
In response to:
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Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
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I nominate the above retort from our good buddy Panama Floyd for AQOTM.
Call for seconds.
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (was Re: Born again atheists) |
01 Mar 2006 12:39:27 AM |
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"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:280220061833358072%chib@nospam.com...
In article <1141014490.070825.148040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Panama Floyd <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
In response to:
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Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
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I nominate the above retort from our good buddy Panama Floyd for AQOTM.
Call for seconds.
It's probably been seconded already but, what the hell,
I second.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (was Re: Born again atheists) |
05 Mar 2006 06:08:19 PM |
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In article <PLCdnWs_ieIE3JjZRVn-gA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:280220061833358072%chib@nospam.com...
In article <1141014490.070825.148040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Panama Floyd <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
In response to:
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Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
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I nominate the above retort from our good buddy Panama Floyd for AQOTM.
Call for seconds.
It's probably been seconded already but, what the hell,
I second.
Recorded.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (was Re: Born again atheists) |
01 Mar 2006 05:00:32 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:33:35 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
In article <1141014490.070825.148040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Panama Floyd <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
In response to:
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Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
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I nominate the above retort from our good buddy Panama Floyd for AQOTM.
Call for seconds.
Hehhhehehehe. GMTA.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (was Re: Born again atheists) |
02 Mar 2006 06:30:39 PM |
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chibiabos wrote:
In article <1141014490.070825.148040@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Panama Floyd <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
In response to:
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Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
------------------------
I nominate the above retort from our good buddy Panama Floyd for AQOTM.
Call for seconds.
-chib
Second.
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: AQOTM Nomination Re: Born again atheists |
01 Mar 2006 05:00:06 PM |
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On 26 Feb 2006 20:28:10 -0800, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Probably the best known is Dan Barker, who went from fundie preacher to
co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He's written a book
about it:
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
/begin
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
/end
Seconds?
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Ken" |
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02 Mar 2006 12:19:23 AM |
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Seconds?
Second! That's great!
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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01 Mar 2006 05:01:57 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 26 Feb 2006 20:28:10 -0800, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Probably the best known is Dan Barker, who went from fundie preacher to
co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He's written a book
about it:
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
/begin
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
/end
Seconds?
I'll second that. I suspect that quote might turn up on a few posts in
the future.
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
03 Mar 2006 08:36:37 PM |
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Panama Floyd wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Probably the best known is Dan Barker, who went from fundie preacher to
co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He's written a book
about it:
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
I don't know about batman, but I do believe in the joker.
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Sounds like either an agnostic or a theist who's mad at their god.
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| User: "Lost Planet Airman" |
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| Title: Re: Born again atheists |
28 Feb 2006 05:53:52 PM |
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Panama Floyd wrote:
Lost Planet Airman wrote:
I have been reading a lot information from my question earlier, now I
have another one :-)
Are there any present-day atheists or agnostics that were previously
"born again". I do not mean "Repeat this prayer and you are saved", I
mean the old fashioned Bible Believing alter call style. Such an
experience is extraordinarily difficult to discount. It is so powerful
in fact, that I am not sure I could ever say I was an atheist.
Probably the best known is Dan Barker, who went from fundie preacher to
co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. He's written a book
about it:
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/
Thanks for the book reference. I appreciate that.
Does the following statement make one an atheist, agnostic, or something
else worse, like a satanist.
Don't sweat it..there ain't no satan, either. Who needs The Joker when
you don't believe in Batman?
"I don't know if there is a god or not. Finally I have gotten to the
point that I don't really care, because he obviously plays games with
everyone's head, and if he sends me to hell, well that's that"
Sounds like either an agnostic or a theist who's mad at their god.
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
--
"Land of the free indeed. We've become a nation of ***** whipped
corporate whores."
- Rick 2003-11-19, 10:59 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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