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"Brian Westley" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:59:08 PM |
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Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=86619
This just in from our Scout Executive:
SUBJECT: Governmental Sponsorship of Traditional BSA Units
In 1999 the ACLU sued the federal government to compel the
military to cease sponsoring traditional Scouting units. The
BSA is not a party to this litigation. The Department of Justice
and the Department of Defense agreed to resolve this issue in
2004 by ceasing to sponsor traditional Scouting units. All
councils were advised in July 2004 to transfer sponsorship
of such units to nongovernmental entities.
It was emphasized that this only involved a change of the party signing
the unit charter and did not affect access to facilities or other
support for the BSA. These transfers are now completed. The American
Civil Liberties Union of Illinois has recently circulated a letter
threatening to initiate new litigation unless the Boy Scouts of America
terminates all charter agreements it has entered into with schools and
other governmental entities.
This threat is the latest round in the ACLU's unceasing campaign
against the Boy Scouts of America. Since 1981, the ACLU has participated
in at least 14 cases against the Boy Scouts, which if laid end to end,
would amount to 89 years' worth of litigation to date.
There are no legal restrictions on the BSA in terms of what entities
it may look to for sponsorship. Just about any group willing to
accept the program could sponsor a BSA unit. The issue is whether there
are legal restrictions on governmental entities that would affect their
ability to sponsor traditional Scouting units. Thus, the ACLU will be
suing schools and housing authorities, not the BSA, over the issue of
sponsorship. The BSA has enjoyed excellent relationships with schools
and governmental entities that have sponsored Scouting units, but these
parties should not have to be exposed to the expense and inconvenience
of litigation for their support of Scouting.
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
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| User: "Chris H" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
18 Feb 2005 02:49:53 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
18 Feb 2005 03:38:46 PM |
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Chris H <No@None.no> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
Naaaah...
It's even possible the BSA has only sent this to councils *in Illinois*,
as the IL ACLU was threatening litigation. If so, I'll see if I can
get the national ACLU to issue a similar letter on all government
charters in all states. Currently, I can't determine if this is
a nationwide memo or not.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
18 Feb 2005 04:22:35 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> writes:
Chris H <No@None.no> writes:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
Naaaah...
It's even possible the BSA has only sent this to councils *in Illinois*,
as the IL ACLU was threatening litigation. If so, I'll see if I can
get the national ACLU to issue a similar letter on all government
charters in all states. Currently, I can't determine if this is
a nationwide memo or not.
It appears to be nationwide, as the scouter who posted it is from
Virginia, not Illinois.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
18 Feb 2005 02:55:29 PM |
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Chris H wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at
trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
the odd thing is that many individual scouting units (troops) dont seem
to care if somebody is an atheist or homosexual. its the higher ups
that are making all the fuss, when they dont even engage in the
activities.
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| User: "Chris H" |
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18 Feb 2005 03:49:30 PM |
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snex wrote:
Chris H wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at
trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
the odd thing is that many individual scouting units (troops) dont seem
to care if somebody is an atheist or homosexual. its the higher ups
that are making all the fuss, when they dont even engage in the
activities.
I don't think it's odd, most people who would join something like the
Scouts would do it out of the love of being part of a team and a genuine
desire to help other people. The main problem is that the people who
rise to the top are the more vocal fuckers who think that they are right
and should impose their will on the rest. Moderate people get sidelined
because they don't want to oppose the alpha male mentality that is
generated by people who pretend to speak from authority (i.e. bible bashers)
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
18 Feb 2005 03:53:00 PM |
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Chris H wrote:
snex wrote:
Chris H wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at
trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
the odd thing is that many individual scouting units (troops) dont
seem
to care if somebody is an atheist or homosexual. its the higher ups
that are making all the fuss, when they dont even engage in the
activities.
I don't think it's odd, most people who would join something like the
Scouts would do it out of the love of being part of a team and a
genuine
desire to help other people. The main problem is that the people who
rise to the top are the more vocal fuckers who think that they are
right
and should impose their will on the rest. Moderate people get
sidelined
because they don't want to oppose the alpha male mentality that is
generated by people who pretend to speak from authority (i.e. bible
bashers)
well i certainly never had a problem. my leaders knew i was an atheist
and i still made eagle scout. but then im also from chicago, the last
bastion of the democratic party. anybody got any personal stories about
other places?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
20 Feb 2005 04:10:26 PM |
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On 18 Feb 2005 13:53:00 -0800, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Chris H wrote:
snex wrote:
Chris H wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at
trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
the odd thing is that many individual scouting units (troops) dont
seem
to care if somebody is an atheist or homosexual. its the higher ups
that are making all the fuss, when they dont even engage in the
activities.
I don't think it's odd, most people who would join something like the
Scouts would do it out of the love of being part of a team and a
genuine
desire to help other people. The main problem is that the people who
rise to the top are the more vocal fuckers who think that they are
right
and should impose their will on the rest. Moderate people get
sidelined
because they don't want to oppose the alpha male mentality that is
generated by people who pretend to speak from authority (i.e. bible
bashers)
well i certainly never had a problem. my leaders knew i was an atheist
and i still made eagle scout. but then im also from chicago, the last
bastion of the democratic party. anybody got any personal stories about
other places?
I had no problem in the metro Detroit area. I wasn't religous and no
problem. I wasn't an atheist since I wasn't a Communist (damned Joe
McCarthy and his *****!). My military dogtags all read 'No Pref.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 08:44:31 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:10:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
I had no problem in the metro Detroit area. I wasn't religous and no
problem. I wasn't an atheist since I wasn't a Communist (damned Joe
McCarthy and his *****!). My military dogtags all read 'No Pref.'
I insisted on "None". "No Pref." was usually interpreted to mean "no
preference which Christian sect you put me in". I discussed it with a
chaplain and got him to make <whomever mattered> understand the
difference.
Never had to go to religious service either.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
- G W Bush (Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Feb 2005 11:10:08 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:44:31 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:10:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
I had no problem in the metro Detroit area. I wasn't religous and no
problem. I wasn't an atheist since I wasn't a Communist (damned Joe
McCarthy and his *****!). My military dogtags all read 'No Pref.'
I insisted on "None". "No Pref." was usually interpreted to mean "no
preference which Christian sect you put me in".
I wasn't aware of that at the time.
I discussed it with a
chaplain and got him to make <whomever mattered> understand the
difference.
Never had to go to religious service either.
Nor I.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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18 Feb 2005 07:51:47 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:49:53 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> thought hard
and said:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
They have every right to exclude whoever the hell they want, as they
are a private organization (are they not?).
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "J. Hugh Sullivan" |
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18 Feb 2005 03:51:57 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:49:53 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
Why?
Hugh
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| User: "Chris H" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:13:56 PM |
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J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:49:53 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
According to this post in the scouter.com forum:
[spip paranoid ramblings]
Accordingly, all councils should move immediately to transfer
sponsorship of all traditional Scouting units sponsored by
governmental entities to nongovernmental entities. As in the
case with military units, this action does not affect BSA access
to governmental facilities or other traditional support.
Or, perhaps, just perhaps, the scouting movement should look at trying
to be inclusive
--
C.
Why?
Maybe so as not to ostracise young people who are in the process of
finding their place in life, but hey, you have a 2000 year old book
written by goatherders to tell you what to do.
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander to
young hetrosexual christains? No one care what I believed when I was a
scout in the UK, religion certainly wasn't compulsory as far as I recall.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:26:18 PM |
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Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "snex" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:30:04 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want, but 1)
discriminating is just stupid, and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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18 Feb 2005 05:00:05 PM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1108765804.357871.162280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want,
Glad you agree.
but 1)
discriminating is just stupid,
If it were illegal to be stupid, there'd be nobody outside the prisons.
and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Different issue entirely. That should be cut off totally.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Chris H" |
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18 Feb 2005 05:22:41 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1108765804.357871.162280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want,
Well, it's a different matter of course if they want public money[1]
Glad you agree.
Like change your sexuality on the whim of some organisation?
but 1)
discriminating is just stupid,
If it were illegal to be stupid, there'd be nobody outside the prisons.
Way to go Arguement Man, you sure showed the evil LiberalMan the power
of your superior intellect here. Hint: Have a point.....
and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Different issue entirely. That should be cut off totally.
And Arguement Man crashes and burns with no comeback - what a pathetic
wanker
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C.
[1] And by public I mean any charitable donation
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18 Feb 2005 05:33:08 PM |
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Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421678c2$0$38037$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Well, it's a different matter of course if they want public money[1]
[1] And by public I mean any charitable donation
So you get to decide how other people are allowed to spend their own money?
Who is it, exactly, that you're different from the fundies?
Hint: You're not. You've just admitted that it's not about religion or
freedom - for *you*, in particular - it's about power, and you exerting it
over others against their will.
*Just* like the fundies.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Chris H" |
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18 Feb 2005 06:22:02 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421678c2$0$38037$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Well, it's a different matter of course if they want public money[1]
[1] And by public I mean any charitable donation
So you get to decide how other people are allowed to spend their own money?
Oh dear, it seems that reading for comprehension is a bit of a problem
for you isn't it?
I have no qualms people giving money to any damn thing they like, I just
care when the the Boy Scouts of America scream "unfair" when they don't
get their cut of the pie because they are deliberately exclusive.
You surely have to respect someone's decision, when asked to donate
money to the BSA, they say no, "I'd rather donate to a group that
reflects diversity in our society".
Who is it, exactly, that you're different from the fundies?
I think the main difference between me and the "fundies" (I assume you
mean right-wing neo-con religious nut jobs) is the fact that I hate
hypocrites, I would never tell anyone how to live their life or with
whom they are allowed to have sex, especially on the evidence of a book
written 2-3k years ago by goat-herders
Hint: You're not. You've just admitted that it's not about religion or
freedom - for *you*, in particular - it's about power, and you exerting it
over others against their will.
Yes I am, *****....
*Just* like the fundies.
I'd love to know your definition of "fundie"
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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21 Feb 2005 11:21:04 AM |
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Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421686ac$0$38044$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421678c2$0$38037$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Well, it's a different matter of course if they want public money[1]
[1] And by public I mean any charitable donation
So you get to decide how other people are allowed to spend their own
money?
Oh dear, it seems that reading for comprehension is a bit of a problem
for you isn't it?
That's *exactly* what you proposed.
I have no qualms people giving money to any damn thing they like,
Changing your story, eh? Typical. Say something so fucking stupid you can
only be a retard, get called on it, then backpedal your ***** off.
I
just care when the the Boy Scouts of America scream "unfair" when they
don't get their cut of the pie because they are deliberately
exclusive.
You surely have to respect someone's decision, when asked to donate
money to the BSA, they say no, "I'd rather donate to a group that
reflects diversity in our society".
Indeed. But that's not what you proposed. You proposed prohibiting people
from donating when they *do* want to. You *know* that's what you said, and
you *know* that's what you meant.
Who is it, exactly, that you're different from the fundies?
I think the main difference between me and the "fundies" (I assume you
mean right-wing neo-con religious nut jobs) is the fact that I hate
hypocrites,
No, fundies hate themselves, too. That's the basis of their entire world
view, in fact, just like you.
I would never tell anyone how to live their life or with
whom they are allowed to have sex, especially on the evidence of a
book written 2-3k years ago by goat-herders
Except you have.
Hint: You're not. You've just admitted that it's not about religion
or freedom - for *you*, in particular - it's about power, and you
exerting it over others against their will.
Yes I am, *****....
No, you're no different at all.
*Just* like the fundies.
I'd love to know your definition of "fundie"
Pretty much the same as yours, I expect.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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18 Feb 2005 07:54:48 PM |
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On 18 Feb 2005 14:30:04 -0800, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> thought hard
and said:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want, but 1)
discriminating is just stupid, and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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21 Feb 2005 11:22:37 AM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:j07d11134uq73tjka4mdbt5fetckoi9kdg@4ax.com:
On 18 Feb 2005 14:30:04 -0800, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> thought hard
and said:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only
pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to
include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want, but 1)
discriminating is just stupid, and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
Even when it better serves the public's interests?
You really are a retard.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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21 Feb 2005 04:48:59 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:22:37 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
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On 18 Feb 2005 14:30:04 -0800, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> thought hard
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only
pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to
include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
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Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
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well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want, but 1)
discriminating is just stupid, and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
Even when it better serves the public's interests?
What is the public interest, Terry? For every institution that you may
support there are people who are totally against it. Why should
someone be forced to support something he or she does not like?
You really are a retard.
Come up with a better insult.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
21 Feb 2005 05:01:39 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:22:37 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:j07d11134uq73tjka4mdbt5fetckoi9kdg@4ax.com:
On 18 Feb 2005 14:30:04 -0800, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> thought
hard and said:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:421668a4$0$38040$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
Why do you believe that the US scouting movement should only
pander
to
young hetrosexual christains?
Why do you believe a private organization should be forced to
include
people they do not want to include?
If you don't like it, don't support them, and don't participate.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
well they shouldnt be forced to do anything they dont want, but 1)
discriminating is just stupid, and 2) they get support from the
government, which is why its a big issue.
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are,
must never receive government funding.
Even when it better serves the public's interests?
What is the public interest, Terry?
One has been named already: the advancement of medical knowledge. If you
oppose that, you should never, ever again seek medical treatment of any
kind, ever, even if it means you die, because pretty much *all* medical
knowledge used today has been developed, in part, with public funding.
Assuming you're not just a retarded hypocrite, of course.
For every institution that you may
support there are people who are totally against it. Why should
someone be forced to support something he or she does not like?
If they don't want to support it, they shouldn't use it. There aren't many
people who will refuse medical care, knowing with certainty they *will* die
without it, because they disapprove of the way the technology was
developed.
You wouldn't.
You really are a retard.
Come up with a better insult.
I have to keep it simple, or you won't understand you've been insulted.
And you're still a retard.
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Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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19 Feb 2005 05:46:36 PM |
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Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab in
this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help it? Or is
it more important for the government to spend billions invading other
countries?
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
21 Feb 2005 11:23:15 AM |
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Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.02.19.23.46.36.504961@127.0.0.1:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab in
this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help it? Or is
it more important for the government to spend billions invading other
countries?
Nope. According to Danny, people should just shut up and die. And it
wonders why nobody gives a flying ***** what it "thinks."
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Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
19 Feb 2005 09:07:26 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:46:36 +0100, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> thought hard and said:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are, must
never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab in
this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help it? Or is
it more important for the government to spend billions invading other
countries?
It is more important for the government to leave everything the *****
alone. You forget, Divin, I am no conservative.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
21 Feb 2005 11:23:37 AM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2kvf11144sf887u72sfieavcf29hvtbpei@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:46:36 +0100, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> thought hard and said:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are,
must never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab
in this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help it?
Or is it more important for the government to spend billions invading
other countries?
It is more important for the government to leave everything the *****
alone. You forget, Divin, I am no conservative.
You're too fucking stupid to know what conservative means.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
21 Feb 2005 04:39:43 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:37 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2kvf11144sf887u72sfieavcf29hvtbpei@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:46:36 +0100, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> thought hard and said:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are,
must never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab
in this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help it?
Or is it more important for the government to spend billions invading
other countries?
It is more important for the government to leave everything the *****
alone. You forget, Divin, I am no conservative.
You're too fucking stupid to know what conservative means.
What is a conservative, Terry? Or am I too fucking stupid and not
worth your time?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| Title: Re: Boy Scouts drop all government charters |
21 Feb 2005 04:47:17 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tkok115v03hdasu0jg9vpp1j4tq9rpi1js@4ax.com:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:37 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2kvf11144sf887u72sfieavcf29hvtbpei@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:46:36 +0100, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> thought hard and said:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are,
must never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab
in this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help
it? Or is it more important for the government to spend billions
invading other countries?
It is more important for the government to leave everything the *****
alone. You forget, Divin, I am no conservative.
You're too fucking stupid to know what conservative means.
What is a conservative, Terry?
If you could read, you could look it up in a dictionary. If you knew what a
dictionary is.
Or am I too fucking stupid and not
worth your time?
Give the man a cookie.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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22 Feb 2005 07:50:24 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:47:17 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tkok115v03hdasu0jg9vpp1j4tq9rpi1js@4ax.com:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:37 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> thought hard and said:
Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2kvf11144sf887u72sfieavcf29hvtbpei@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:46:36 +0100, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> thought hard and said:
Le Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:48 -0600, Daniel Kolle a écrit :
Private institutions, no matter how poor or independent they are,
must never receive government funding.
How about research institutions? Hospitals? What if there is a big
outbreak of <insert name of scary disease> and the best research lab
in this area is a private fundation, shouldn't the government help
it? Or is it more important for the government to spend billions
invading other countries?
It is more important for the government to leave everything the *****
alone. You forget, Divin, I am no conservative.
You're too fucking stupid to know what conservative means.
What is a conservative, Terry?
If you could read, you could look it up in a dictionary. If you knew what a
dictionary is.
"Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change."
And, of course, we all know the dictionary is never wrong! What are
traditional views and values, Terry?
Or am I too fucking stupid and not
worth your time?
Give the man a cookie.
Will a sugar-free one suffice?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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