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"Michael Nash" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:12:31 PM |
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project |
Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.htm
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired to
build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and carpenters would
not work for him. Drywall installers and heating subcontractors would
not do business with him. Cement suppliers for miles around would not
touch the job.
He had been hit with a boycott organized by abortion foe and
construction-industry executive Chris Danze.
The builder finally quit the job this month, stopping the clinic project
in its tracks, in what national Planned Parenthood officials said was
the first such boycott they have ever seen.
Danze, a 48-year-old who has protested outside clinics, compares the
building of an abortion clinic to construction of a concentration camp
during the Holocaust.
"We can't just look the other way," he said. "We can't just take the
blood money and run."
The decision by Browning Construction Co., one of the state's largest
contractors, to pull out of the project stunned Planned Parenthood,
which denounced the boycott and said it will press on with construction
to discourage similar tactics elsewhere.
The privately funded $6.2 million clinic was set to open next fall. It
would be Planned Parenthood's first Austin clinic to offer abortions,
and the fourth licensed abortion provider in Texas' capital city. The
clinic also would provide health care for women and men, including
gynecological services, AIDS testing, vasectomies, cancer screening and
contraceptives, Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Danielle Tierney said.
Danze, an owner of Maldonado & Danze Inc., a concrete-foundation
contractor, oversaw a telephone and letter-writing campaign urging more
than 750 Austin- and San Antonio-area businesses not to provide supplies
or services for the project. He recruited contractors to join what he
called the Texas Contractors and Suppliers for Life Association.
Soon, contractors were flooded with phone calls from the public warning
them to stay away from the clinic project or face losing business.
Texas Right to Life, which claims 75,000 members, called contractors to
thank them for not working on the project and to offer to share the
companies' names with the anti-abortion group's members, spokeswoman
Elizabeth Graham said.
Churches got involved, too. "When churches started asking me for lists
of people who were working on the project, that's when we turned the
corner," Danze said.
Danze said hundreds of subcontractors agreed to boycott the project,
though not all of them said whether they were anti-abortion. Some simply
did not want to get involved in a controversial project, he said.
Planned Parenthood said the boycott was waged through "intimidation and
harassment."
Tierney said one subcontractor, whom she would not identify, received
more than 1,200 calls from around the country -- many to his home --
warning him not to participate. "This is not a simple demonstration of
free speech rights," she said.
James Browning, who runs San Antonio-based Browning Construction, said
he got a polite call from Danze warning him about the boycott.
Groundbreaking on the clinic was held in September, and over the next
six weeks, the project ground to a halt.
"I never thought so many different trades would join in," Browning said.
Among those boycotting were contractors in lumber, cement supply,
foundation building, plumbers, heating and air-conditioning, windows,
hardwood floors, roofing, insulation, landscaping and fencing, Danze
said.
By the time Browning pulled out, clearing and excavation and some of the
underground plumbing had been done, but the foundation had not been put
in.
Planned Parenthood expects resistance whenever it builds an abortion
clinic, but most of the hurdles come during the permit-issuing process.
The organization said it would act as its own general contractor and
complete the project. Tierney said it is too soon to say whether the
setback will increase costs or delay the clinic's opening.
Tierney said Planned Parenthood has received calls from other
contractors who want to help. She would not name them.
Danze said he will track down any new contractors on the project and
have scouts check the construction site three or four times a day.
"This is going to be a battle," Danze said. "God does not want this
thing built."
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Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
--George W. Bush (12/21/01, three months after 9/11)
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15 Nov 2003 01:16:57 PM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote
Danze, a 48-year-old who has protested outside clinics,
compares the building of an abortion clinic to
construction of a concentration camp during the Holocaust.
Oh. You mean he's the extra sensitive kind of "Christian," the
type who always thinks through his ideas before say them.
That's always nice.
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| User: "Not a liberal loonie" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott stops abortion clinic project |
14 Nov 2003 10:17:09 PM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.htm
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired to
build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and carpenters would
not work for him. Drywall installers and heating subcontractors would
not do business with him. Cement suppliers for miles around would not
touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:56:56 PM |
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
news:9Nhtb.199256$HS4.1712751@attbi_s01:
"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9433E1EC78B03nashmjhotmailcom@216.196.97.132...
Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired to
build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and carpenters
would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating subcontractors
would not do business with him. Cement suppliers for miles around
would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate fetus-worshipping
rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to try and deprive women
of needed abortion services?
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
--George W. Bush (12/21/01, three months after 9/11)
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15 Nov 2003 01:19:00 PM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an
illegal trust to try and deprive women of needed
abortion services?
The Republicans hate the trade unions, and anything that costs
a union man a job is a good thing.
"Blue collar is like *So* last Thursday!"
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| User: "Not a liberal loonie" |
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14 Nov 2003 11:08:15 PM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
news:9Nhtb.199256$HS4.1712751@attbi_s01:
"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9433E1EC78B03nashmjhotmailcom@216.196.97.132...
Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired to
build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and carpenters
would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating subcontractors
would not do business with him. Cement suppliers for miles around
would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate fetus-worshipping
rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to try and deprive women
of needed abortion services?
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Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for a belief
and conviction you ignorantly object to. You're just upset that people
willingly refused business. Your name calling and lack of substance noted,
abortion used as a means of birth control is NOT "needed." Not getting
pregnant if a child is not wanted is what's "needed."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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15 Nov 2003 01:24:27 PM |
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
We're not talking about a "Belief," an "Idea," we're taking about
the actions that they took.
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
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| User: "Not a liberal loonie" |
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15 Nov 2003 07:19:49 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
We're not talking about a "Belief," an "Idea," we're taking about
the actions that they took.
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
Talk about intolerance.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2003 09:48:34 AM |
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of
any contractor that requires that it be told what a building would be
used for prior to delivering supplies.
It simply doesn't work that way, and anybody who isn't promoting an
agenda would admit this.
You are lying.
Talk about intolerance.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Nov 2003 09:28:29 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:48:34 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of
any contractor that requires that it be told what a building would be
used for prior to delivering supplies.
Or that the supplies are being used to build a building. Why would
Lumber 84 care whether you were using sheetrock to build a building or
to feed a plaster-eating alien?
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"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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16 Nov 2003 10:18:49 PM |
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Challenge to anybody pretending to be a Christian:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted:
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not
aware of any contractor that requires that it be told what
a building would be used for prior to delivering supplies.
Or that the supplies are being used to build a building. Why
would Lumber 84 care whether you were using sheetrock to
build a building or to feed a plaster-eating alien?
What really bugs me is that everybody reading these words knows
that it's the truth. Yet, all the "Christians" sit on their hands and
passively endorse the lies.
If you really believe in your god, if you honestly believe there
was a Jesus and he died for your sins, couldn't you even once
manage to act that way?
Your god approves of lies? Is that it? Or are you pretending that
one of your "sins" is worse than another? Is that it? Lying may
be one of your "sins" but you can passively endorse it because
your Satan will feed you bon-bons instead of poking you with a
pitch fork... the way he'll do to abortion supporters?
You're the best argument against yourself. You're the best
argument against your religion. I hope that bothers you, but I'm
not willing to hold my breath waiting for it to happen....
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Nov 2003 12:48:56 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:18:49 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
You're the best argument against yourself. You're the best
argument against your religion.
And they're the best argument FOR abortion. Even if it IS post-birth.
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"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
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| User: "Starkiller©" |
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16 Nov 2003 10:16:38 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:48:34 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of
any contractor that requires that it be told what a building would be
used for prior to delivering supplies.
It simply doesn't work that way, and anybody who isn't promoting an
agenda would admit this.
You are lying.
It isn't required, however, after being in the onstruction industry
for over 25 years I don't recall a single project that I was involved
in that I didn't know what the building was to be used for prior to
even bidding the job.
Talk about intolerance.
Regards
Starkiller©
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16 Nov 2003 02:58:01 PM |
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"Starkiller©" <NoSpam.Starkiller@White-Star.com> wrote
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of
any contractor that requires that it be told what a building would be
used for prior to delivering supplies.
It simply doesn't work that way, and anybody who isn't promoting an
agenda would admit this.
You are lying.
It isn't required, however, after being in the onstruction industry
for over 25 years I don't recall a single project that I was involved
in that I didn't know what the building was to be used for prior to
even bidding the job.
This wasn't the building contractor that we were talking about. We were
talking about sub contractors and even suppliers. When you place an
order for such-n-such quantity of concrete, it would be unusual to have
to identify the nature of the business that would be occupying the
completed structure.
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16 Nov 2003 03:34:40 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:58:01 -0500, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Starkiller©" <NoSpam.Starkiller@White-Star.com> wrote
That's not what happened at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware of
any contractor that requires that it be told what a building would be
used for prior to delivering supplies.
It simply doesn't work that way, and anybody who isn't promoting an
agenda would admit this.
You are lying.
It isn't required, however, after being in the onstruction industry
for over 25 years I don't recall a single project that I was involved
in that I didn't know what the building was to be used for prior to
even bidding the job.
This wasn't the building contractor that we were talking about. We were
talking about sub contractors and even suppliers. When you place an
order for such-n-such quantity of concrete, it would be unusual to have
to identify the nature of the business that would be occupying the
completed structure.
Nobody has to identify the nature of a business that is being built
but the information is never a big secret. I'm usually a Sub
contractor BTW. The type of business is most often identified to the
general as well as sub contractors via the source bid documents such
as those availbable through Dodge Reports and local builders
exchanges. The suppliers get wind of it simply from the resulting
inquiries regarding any given project. I've personally called
suppliers to order equipment and had them tell me what job they
thought I was ordering it for. They're correct more often than not.
I'm not saying that the little boycott or whatever you wish to call it
is right or wrong. I'm just saying that the majority of most
commercial construction projects become known to contractors and
suppliers well before any groundbreaking takes place. The suppliers
try to keep up with this in order to have an idea of what they will
need to have on hand for the contractors. The end use of a facility
is usually just part of the conversation. Not to mention in most
states the "use and occupancy" permit is usually displayed on site at
the construction office and then later on the front door once a
substantial structure is built. Basically I don't believe there were
any clandestine covert phone calls made to create a well planned
conspiracy. More than likely it was a result of the information being
out there to begin with along with whatever publicity was garnered
from the original contractors refusal to supply goods. Is anyone
aware of what type of local publicity the action created? If this was
a small close nit community that generally is politically opposed to
abortions then the other suppliers in the area may have followed suite
for the sake of their local customers. At any rate I don't see that
big of a deal going on here as it is highly unlikely that we shall see
a widespread boycott on abortion clinic construction.
Regards
Starkiller©
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15 Nov 2003 11:26:22 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> posted in alt.atheism:
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
The fact that their decision is clearly illegal seems to be something
you're deliberately not willing to look at.
--
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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16 Nov 2003 12:33:09 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> posted in alt.atheism:
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
The fact that their decision is clearly illegal seems to be something
you're deliberately not willing to look at.
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I asked you if collusion charges have been filed. You didn't care enough to
know.
So who's not willing to look at it?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Nov 2003 01:46:50 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:33:09 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:qi2erv4ksmgriujrned8ajf6m40mmcqu5o@Pern.rk...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> posted in alt.atheism:
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
The fact that their decision is clearly illegal seems to be something
you're deliberately not willing to look at.
I asked you if collusion charges have been filed.
We'll see. DAs don't file charges as if they were going to run out of
paper tomorrow.
You didn't care enough to know.
Neither do you, evidently. Which ADA have you contacted?
So who's not willing to look at it?
You. You keep missing the point. Is that your profession or are you
just a very talented amateur?
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"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 Nov 2003 11:32:31 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
We're not talking about a "Belief," an "Idea," we're taking about
the actions that they took.
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
Talk about intolerance.
Uh no - what happened was a bunch of anti abortionists from all over
the country harrassed every business they could find that might have
fulfilled the contract to pressure them into not doing business with
the clinic.
My guess is it will be futile. Someone will hear and walk in from
someplace else that has enough balls to ignore the threats (and there
were threats) and do the job. All these people did was hurt the local
business that might have built the health clinic.
Of course, I can't see how harassment and threats are legal. But then
you have such high ethics - obviously you don't care.
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16 Nov 2003 12:35:10 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:3fb80acb.16808294@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:346dnSphOpgp4SuiRVn-vw@comcast.com...
"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
We're not talking about a "Belief," an "Idea," we're taking about
the actions that they took.
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
Talk about intolerance.
Uh no - what happened was a bunch of anti abortionists from all over
the country harrassed every business they could find that might have
fulfilled the contract to pressure them into not doing business with
the clinic.
If the law was broken, then charges would have been filed. Have charges
been filed?
If not, then the claim of collusion by you liberals is exposed for the
***** it is.
What's the matter, you folks afraid to look?
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16 Nov 2003 09:18:11 AM |
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
If the law was broken, then charges would have been filed.
Have charges been filed?
So nobody can be the victim of murder unless someone is charged
with the crime of murder?
This makes sense to you?
There's honestly no such thing as an "Unsolved Crime" or "Lack of
evidence" in your world?
Please. You're being dishonest. I understand that your god enjoys
that almost as much as the human sacrifice of abortion doctors.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Nov 2003 09:25:33 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:35:10 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> posted in alt.atheism:
If the law was broken, then charges would have been filed. Have charges
been filed?
In Texas, against the religiously "righteous"? Not all crimes result
in charges being filed. In this case they know they don't stand a
chance. The fact that charges aren't filed isn't evidence that no law
was broken.
If not, then the claim of collusion by you liberals is exposed for the
***** it is.
Lack of evidence isn't evidence of lack.
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"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:35:10 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:19:49 GMT, "Not a liberal loonie"
<not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
We're not talking about a "Belief," an "Idea," we're taking about
the actions that they took.
It's one thing to believe something with all your heart, it's quite
another to force everybody else to adhere to your personal
beliefs against their will.
The fact that you lunatic right-wingers are unable to perceive
this not-at-all-subtle distinction is your most disturbing (and
dangerous) flaw.
The fact that you cannot accept the fact that a bunch of folks simply
decided not to support a facility that conducts abortions is pathetic.
Talk about intolerance.
Uh no - what happened was a bunch of anti abortionists from all over
the country harrassed every business they could find that might have
fulfilled the contract to pressure them into not doing business with
the clinic.
If the law was broken, then charges would have been filed. Have charges
been filed?
LOL - so no laws are ever broken if charges aren't filed, huh?. Just
a touch naive, aren't you?
If not, then the claim of collusion by you liberals is exposed for the
***** it is.
What's the matter, you folks afraid to look?
Look at what?
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On 16 Nov 2003 01:21:19 -0600, (Kate ) posted in
alt.atheism:
If the law was broken, then charges would have been filed. Have charges
been filed?
LOL - so no laws are ever broken if charges aren't filed, huh?. Just
a touch naive, aren't you?
Kate, don't blame on naivete what dishonesty explains.
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shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired
to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and
carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating
subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement suppliers
for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to
try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for a
belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians got
together and illegally conspired to prevent an abortion provider from
offering their legal and valuable service to the public.
You're just upset that people willingly refused business.
Yeah, sort of like I would be upset if people willingly refused business
to blacks.
Your name calling and lack of
substance noted, abortion used as a means of birth control is NOT
"needed."
Your opinion of what's needed is irrelevant. Women are capable of
determining themselves what abortion services they need, for whatever
reason they choose to have them, without having paternalistic right-wing
Christians holding their hands for them...
Not getting pregnant if a child is not wanted is what's
"needed."
Some women are the victims of rape and incest. Some women use birth
control that malfunctions. Some wome use birth control but do so
improperly because they haven't been taught how to use it right, thanks
to neo-puritans who can't stand the thought of having proper sex
education taught in our schools. Some women make poor decisions like
having unprotected sex while their judgment is impaired by alcohol or
drug use. All this is irrelevant, of course, because it's solely
between a woman and her doctor as to whether and why she chooses to have
an abortion.
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
*******************
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
--George W. Bush (12/21/01, three months after 9/11)
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15 Nov 2003 03:42:31 AM |
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired
to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and
carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating
subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement suppliers
for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to
try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for a
belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians got
together and illegally conspired to prevent an abortion provider from
offering their legal and valuable service to the public.
Illegal? How so? Free speech and boycotts are illegal now? I don't recall
any outrage from the left against boycotts and other campaigns against the
sponsors of Rush, Dr. Laura, or FoxNews. What law specifically was broken?
Have a nice day,
Ken
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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15 Nov 2003 06:23:45 PM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor
hired to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers
and carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and
heating subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement
suppliers for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to
try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for
a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians got
together and illegally conspired to prevent an abortion provider from
offering their legal and valuable service to the public.
Illegal? How so? Free speech and boycotts are illegal now?
No, but collusion between businesses to drive another business out of
operation is illegal.
I don't
recall any outrage from the left against boycotts and other campaigns
against the sponsors of Rush, Dr. Laura, or FoxNews.
Not the same thing, of course...
What law specifically was broken?
Well, I've heard someone in this thread say that they thought RICO would
be applicable here, whcih may be true, but I was thinking that anti-
trust legislation would be more applicable, since you effectively have
several businesses conspiring with one another to drive another business
out of operation.
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
*******************
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
--George W. Bush (12/21/01, three months after 9/11)
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15 Nov 2003 07:01:45 PM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
tm l
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor
hired to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers
and carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and
heating subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement
suppliers for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to
try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for
a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians got
together and illegally conspired to prevent an abortion provider from
offering their legal and valuable service to the public.
Illegal? How so? Free speech and boycotts are illegal now?
No, but collusion between businesses to drive another business out of
operation is illegal.
There was no such an intent to deprive the clinic of its ability to build
since these contractors hold no monopoly on the business of building
clinics. The only intent was to withhold services, which is the contractors'
right. Other contractors are available to build, so they can go find one.
This does not meet the definition of collusion to deprive the clinic of
their rights to operate a business.
I don't
recall any outrage from the left against boycotts and other campaigns
against the sponsors of Rush, Dr. Laura, or FoxNews.
Not the same thing, of course...
What law specifically was broken?
Well, I've heard someone in this thread say that they thought RICO would
be applicable here, whcih may be true,
It wouldn't apply. Check USSC cases Scheidler v. NOW or Operation Rescue v.
NOW. RICO only applies if the defending party to the suit or prosecution
gains economically, usually though the gain of physical property. Such is
not the case here.
but I was thinking that anti-
trust legislation would be more applicable, since you effectively have
several businesses conspiring with one another to drive another business
out of operation.
Nonsense. The clinic can still be built with the services of another, but
these contractors have a right not to work for someone unless there is a
binding contract, and I haven't heard that there was such a contract. If
there was, it probably would have been reported.
Have a nice day,
Ken
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16 Nov 2003 01:13:52 AM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote
in news:9Nhtb.199256$HS4.1712751@attbi_s01:
"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9433E1EC78B03nashmjhotmailcom@216.196.97.132...
Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
tm l
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor
hired to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers
and carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers
and heating subcontractors would not do business with him.
Cement suppliers for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust
to try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought
for a belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians
got together and illegally conspired to prevent an abortion
provider from offering their legal and valuable service to the
public.
Illegal? How so? Free speech and boycotts are illegal now?
No, but collusion between businesses to drive another business out of
operation is illegal.
There was no such an intent to deprive the clinic of its ability to
build since these contractors hold no monopoly on the business of
building clinics.
There was not just intent, but an active campaign to deprive the clinic
of its ability to build. And given the number of businesses that either
agreed willingly to participate in the boycott or caved in after this
group's harassment/blackmail campaign, I fail to see how this couldn;t
have impaired their ability to build the clinic.
"Danze, an owner of Maldonado & Danze Inc., a concrete-foundation
contractor, oversaw a telephone and letter-writing campaign urging more
than 750 Austin- and San Antonio-area businesses not to provide supplies
or services for the project. He recruited contractors to join what he
called the Texas Contractors and Suppliers for Life Association.
"Soon, contractors were flooded with phone calls from the public warning
them to stay away from the clinic project or face losing business.
[...]
"Churches got involved, too. 'When churches started asking me for lists
of people who were working on the project, that's when we turned the
corner,' Danze said.
"Danze said hundreds of subcontractors agreed to boycott the project,
though not all of them said whether they were anti-abortion. Some simply
did not want to get involved in a controversial project, he said.
"Planned Parenthood said the boycott was waged through 'intimidation and
harassment.'
"Tierney said one subcontractor, whom she would not identify, received
more than 1,200 calls from around the country -- many to his home --
warning him not to participate. 'This is not a simple demonstration of
free speech rights,' she said.
"James Browning, who runs San Antonio-based Browning Construction, said
he got a polite call from Danze warning him about the boycott.
Groundbreaking on the clinic was held in September, and over the next
six weeks, the project ground to a halt.
"'I never thought so many different trades would join in,' Browning
said.
Among those boycotting were contractors in lumber, cement supply,
foundation building, plumbers, heating and air-conditioning, windows,
hardwood floors, roofing, insulation, landscaping and fencing, Danze
said.
The only intent was to withhold services, which is
the contractors' right.
That's not true. There was an active conspiracy with the stated intent
to keep Planned Parenthood from being able to build their clinic.
Other contractors are available to build, so
they can go find one. This does not meet the definition of collusion
to deprive the clinic of their rights to operate a business.
How are they supposed to find people to work on this project when
potential contractors are subjected to an organized campaign of
badgering, harassment and intimidation?
(snip)
Well, I've heard someone in this thread say that they thought RICO
would be applicable here, whcih may be true,
It wouldn't apply. Check USSC cases Scheidler v. NOW or Operation
Rescue v. NOW. RICO only applies if the defending party to the suit or
prosecution gains economically, usually though the gain of physical
property. Such is not the case here.
Well, the RICO thing was someone else's argument, and I certainly don't
know enough about it to argue one way or another - I just know generally
what it pertains to, and remembered it being mentioned elsewhere in this
thread.
but I was thinking that anti-
trust legislation would be more applicable, since you effectively
have several businesses conspiring with one another to drive another
business out of operation.
Nonsense. The clinic can still be built with the services of another,
but these contractors have a right not to work for someone unless
there is a binding contract, and I haven't heard that there was such a
contract. If there was, it probably would have been reported.
It's not that simple. What you have is a collusive agreement or trust
among businesses and contractors who oppose the building of this clinic
and are participating in an organized campaign of harassment,
intimidation and the threat of boycott against their competitiors who
might choose to accept Planned Parenthood's business.
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
*******************
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
--George W. Bush (12/21/01, three months after 9/11)
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15 Nov 2003 11:21:15 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:01:45 -0600, "Ken"
<Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> posted in alt.atheism:
There was no such an intent to deprive the clinic of its ability to build
since these contractors hold no monopoly on the business of building
clinics. The only intent was to withhold services, which is the contractors'
right. Other contractors are available to build, so they can go find one.
This does not meet the definition of collusion to deprive the clinic of
their rights to operate a business.
It does meet the definition of collusion to drive the contractor out
of business.
It wouldn't apply. Check USSC cases Scheidler v. NOW or Operation Rescue v.
NOW. RICO only applies if the defending party to the suit or prosecution
gains economically
All contractors in the city gain economically if they drive a
competing contractor out of business.
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "MarkA" |
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15 Nov 2003 09:57:08 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:42:31 +0000, Ken wrote:
"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Not a liberal loonie" <not_aliberalloonie@thankgod.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Boycott stops abortion clinic project
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/11/14/abortion.boycott.ap/index.h
tm l
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Weeks into the project, the contractor hired
to build an abortion clinic hit a brick wall: Plumbers and
carpenters would not work for him. Drywall installers and heating
subcontractors would not do business with him. Cement suppliers
for miles around would not touch the job.
OUTSTANDING!
What's so outstanding about a bunch of semi-literate
fetus-worshipping rednecks banding together in an illegal trust to
try and deprive women of needed abortion services?
--
Wow, you're just upset that some folks got together and fought for a
belief and conviction you ignorantly object to.
No, I'm just upset that a bunch of self-appointed moral guardians got
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