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"RoB WadE" |
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28 Feb 2005 12:58:32 PM |
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Boycott United Way! |
Boycott United Way!
Hans Zeiger
I've finally had it with the United Way. This week, yet another United
Way chapter cut off funding to the Boy Scouts of America. United Way of
Northwestern Michigan in Traverse City, Michigan will entirely remove
the Scenic Trails Boy Scouts Council from its charitable giving
campaign.
This is preposterous, as are the over five dozen other decisions by
United Way chapters around the country to exclude the Boy Scouts from
fundraising efforts. Since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that
the Scouts have the right to exclude homosexuals from leadership and
membership, the anti-Scout backlash has been most vicious at the hands
of the United Way.
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding. The
Scouts' application for $30,000 was rejected on the basis that the
application was "not compelling." That's a simple way of saying that
the Scout Oath and Law are not good enough qualifiers for financial
support.
United Way of Northwestern Michigan isn't the only United Way to
declare war on the Boy Scouts in recent weeks. So too have the United
Way of Austin, Texas and the United Way of Central Ohio.
The largest United Ways in the largest cities have all broken ties to
Scouting. San Francisco was the first to exclude the Scouts in 1992,
followed by cities like Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Madison,
Sacramento, Hartford, Seattle, Dallas, Tucson, Providence, Santa Fe,
Miami, Portland, Maine, and Portland, Oregon.
It's time for Americans who care about the Boy Scouts to stop giving to
anti-Scout United Ways. Even if it's convenient to make contributions
through your workplace or if you've always supported the United Way,
discontinue giving to the United Way if it no longer gives to the
Scouts. Until we stop supporting anti-Scout United Way chapters, the
United Way will increasingly de-fund the Boy Scouts in cities and towns
across the country.
It is difficult for me to recommend a boycott of an organization that
has done so much for America since 1918. I have personally benefited
from the United Way as the recipient of a United Way college
scholarship, and I participated in a local United Way youth advisory
council.
But I realize the desperate moral situation we face. As an Eagle Scout,
I see the forces of the Left arrayed against the Boy Scouts of America,
and I have no choice but to fight back. United Way has increasingly
allied itself with the radical homosexual movement at the expense of
its once-close association with Scouting.
Today, more and more, the United Way is ditching the Boy Scouts,
abandoning honor, utterly despising America's finest youth
organization.
So for the sake of the Boy Scouts, please boycott the following United
Way chapters:
United Way of Alachua county, Gainesville, FL
United Way of Allegan County, Allegan, MI
United Way of Austin, Texas
United Way of the Bay Area, San Francisco, CA
United Way of Bronxville Eastchester Tuckahoe, Bronxville, NY
United Way of Broward County, Fort Lauderdale, FL
United Way of California Capital Region, Sacramento, CA
United Way of Capital Area, Hartford, CT
United Way of Chicago, Chicago, IL
United Way of the Columbia-Willamette, Portland, OR
United Way of Dane County, Madison, WI
United Way of Dunn County, Menomonie, WI
United Way of Essex and West Hudson, Newark. NJ
United Way Evanston, Chicago, IL
United Way of Fox Cities, Inc., Menasha, WI
United Way of Greater Duluth, Inc. Duluth, MN
United Way of Greater Fall River, MA
United Way of the Greater Winona Area, Winona, MN
United Way of Greenwich, Connecticut
Hampshire Community United Way, Northhampton, MA
Heart of Florida United Way, Orlando, FL
United Way of Jackson County, Medford, OR
United Way of King County, Seattle, WA
United Way of Massachusetts Bay, Boston, MA
United Way of Metropolitan, Dallas, TX
United Way of Miami-Dade, FL
Monadnock United Way of Keene, NH
United Way of Monmouth County, Farmingdale, NJ
United Way of Monroe County, Bloomington, IN
United Way of Monterey Bay, CA
United Way of Morris County, Morristown, NJ
United Way of Moscow/Latah County, Moscow, ID
United Way of New Haven, CT
United Way of Norwalk and Wilton, Norwalk, CT
United Way of Northern Fairfield County, Danbury, CT
United Way of Northwestern Michigan, Traverse City, MI
United Way Inc., Palm Beach Community Chest, Palm Beach and Minalapan,
FL
United Way of Pierce County, Tacoma, WA
United Way of Portland, ME
United Way of Santa Barbara County, Santa Barbara, CA
United Way of Santa Clara County, CA
United Way of Santa Cruz County, Capitola, CA
United Way of Santa Fe, NM
United Way of Silicon Valley, Santa Clara, CA
United Way of Snohomish County, Everett, WA
United Way of Somerset County, NJ
United Way of Sonoma-Mendocino-Lake Counties, Santa Rosa, CA
United Way of Southeast New England, Providence, RI
United Way Southeastern Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA
United Way of Thurston County, Olympia, WA
United Way of Tucson and Southern Arizona, Tucson
United Way of Ulster County, Kingston, NY
United Way of Ventura County, Ventura, CA
United Way of Westport-Weston, Westport, CT
United Way of Westchester and Putnam, Inc. White Plains, NY
United Way of Whatcom County, Bellingham, WA
All of this need not be a crisis for the Boy Scouts, but it should
prompt a serious change in the attitudes of current United Way
contributors who support the mission of the Boy Scouts.
The Boy Scouts have the First Amendment right to say who can and cannot
be a part of their organization. And the United Way has the right to
determine which groups it will fund.
The United Way is making poor choices. May it suffer the consequences,
and may the Boy Scouts reap new rewards from Americans who believe in
character and honor.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
28 Feb 2005 02:59:30 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2005 10:58:32 -0800, "RoB WadE" <rob_c_wade_04@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The Boy Scouts have the First Amendment right to say who can and cannot
be a part of their organization. And the United Way has the right to
determine which groups it will fund.
The United Way is making poor choices.
Since the BSA is a religious organization (it claims to be and the
courts agree with that claim), and since Unfitted Way doesn't fund
religious organizations, what's your complaint?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
Zymurgist # 2
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
28 Feb 2005 06:30:34 PM |
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RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- jstanley@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
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| User: "Harold Burton" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 05:43:54 AM |
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In article <KIOUd.7625$xm5.3766@fe1.columbus.rr.com>,
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Guess the United Way leadership should have thought about that. I mean,
it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theroize that thier funding might be
affected. The got what they wanted, and now we see the result of it.
United way will never get another dime from me.
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Hal
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 08:41:41 PM |
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Harold Burton wrote:
United way will never get another dime from me.
Ah, and this begs the question: Did they in the first place? I'll accept
a scan of a credit card, bank statement, or pay stub noting them and
your contribution. (Nix the address and account numbers before you post
it though.)
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- jstanley@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 08:24:01 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:43:54 -0500, Harold Burton <nospam@nospam.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Guess the United Way leadership should have thought about that. I mean,
it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theroize that thier funding might be
affected. The got what they wanted, and now we see the result of it.
United way will never get another dime from me.
WOW! I'm sure that 10 cents/year you won't be giving them is going to
bankrupt them.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 07:04:08 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:43:54 -0500, Harold Burton <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:
In article <KIOUd.7625$xm5.3766@fe1.columbus.rr.com>,
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Guess the United Way leadership should have thought about that. I mean,
it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theroize that thier funding might be
affected. The got what they wanted, and now we see the result of it.
United way will never get another dime from me.
Because they no longer support a bigoted organisation that
discriminates? What does that tell us about you?
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| User: "Cuddle Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 07:48:09 AM |
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I've been boycotting the United Way for decades. I'm offended that each year
at work they attempt to coerce me into making a donation by having donation
materials placed in my paycheck envelope. Why do they get special treatment
and the dozens, hundreds, or thousands of other organizations out there
likewise doing good work don't get a stuff their donation materials in my
paycheck envelope? (That is a rhetorical question, I dont' want *any*
donation materials in my envelope).
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
-CB
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| User: "Grumpy au Contraire" |
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03 Mar 2005 07:49:58 PM |
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Cuddle ***** wrote:
I've been boycotting the United Way for decades. I'm offended that each year
at work they attempt to coerce me into making a donation by having donation
materials placed in my paycheck envelope. Why do they get special treatment
and the dozens, hundreds, or thousands of other organizations out there
likewise doing good work don't get a stuff their donation materials in my
paycheck envelope? (That is a rhetorical question, I dont' want *any*
donation materials in my envelope).
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
-CB
Big charity can be compared to big business. Any means to acheive an end.
Enron, WorldCom, Microsoft, United Way, Red Cross and a bunch of others
are on my "to avoid" list along with WalMart...
JT
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 08:50:42 PM |
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Cuddle ***** wrote:
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
Never understood the whole United Way thing anyway. Their execs are WAY
overpaid, and that means only a portion of your donation goes to the
organization(s) one wishes to support. Hmm... Now that I think of it,
this could be a blessing for the Fundamentalists. If they give directly,
they get more effective bang for their buck. (And most banks support
automatic transfers of funds on a preset schedule... Heck mine will even
write a check -- and mail it at no extra charge -- if the organization
isn't set up to handle electronic fund transfers.)
It's a "no brainer."
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- jstanley@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
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| User: "No One" |
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01 Mar 2005 11:46:19 PM |
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Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> writes:
Cuddle ***** wrote:
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
Never understood the whole United Way thing anyway. Their execs are
WAY overpaid, and that means only a portion of your donation goes to
the organization(s) one wishes to support.
It's real simple - your donations go to the charities that the
"business community" wants to support, which is why employers would
pressure their employees to go along with the program.
At least, that's the cynics view of it. :-)
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
02 Mar 2005 03:50:40 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:46:19 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote in message <m3u0nuvbzi.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>
Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> writes:
Cuddle ***** wrote:
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
Never understood the whole United Way thing anyway. Their execs are
WAY overpaid, and that means only a portion of your donation goes to
the organization(s) one wishes to support.
It's real simple - your donations go to the charities that the
"business community" wants to support, which is why employers would
pressure their employees to go along with the program.
At least, that's the cynics view of it. :-)
Nothing cynical about it. That's exactly what is done. A company
gains exposure and advertising value in promoting the charity, and the
employees pay the cost. Sometimes it's pretty blatant" "Contribute
or you won't be here for long."
--
Boy Toy
Toxic Toyz 4 Nasty Boyz
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 08:58:53 PM |
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Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Cuddle ***** wrote:
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by
donating directly the the charity in question. For those of you who
like the BSA (point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
Never understood the whole United Way thing anyway. Their execs are
WAY overpaid, and that means only a portion of your donation goes to
the organization(s) one wishes to support. Hmm... Now that I think of
it, this could be a blessing for the Fundamentalists. If they give
directly, they get more effective bang for their buck. (And most
banks support automatic transfers of funds on a preset schedule...
Heck mine will even write a check -- and mail it at no extra charge
-- if the organization isn't set up to handle electronic fund
transfers.)
It's a "no brainer."
It really is. I see a time when organizations like United Way may become
defunct.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
01 Mar 2005 07:58:54 AM |
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:48:09 -0500, "Cuddle *****"
<expyguyAT@SIGNcox.DOT.net> wrote:
I've been boycotting the United Way for decades. I'm offended that each year
at work they attempt to coerce me into making a donation by having donation
materials placed in my paycheck envelope. Why do they get special treatment
and the dozens, hundreds, or thousands of other organizations out there
likewise doing good work don't get a stuff their donation materials in my
paycheck envelope? (That is a rhetorical question, I dont' want *any*
donation materials in my envelope).
I agree.
I don't like the coercive way they collude with employers. I always
give direct. And react negatively to pressure, which on more than one
occasion labelled me as not being a team player.
I've noticed this tactic works better with sales and marketing than
engineers.
I suggest people support those charities they feel are important by donating
directly the the charity in question. For those of you who like the BSA
(point of this thread) then donate directly to the BSA.
In fact one of the reasons I didn't contribute to the United way was
their support for the BSA. As an atheist I object to the BSA's
discrimination against atheists, their dishonesty over this and the
bigoted nastiness they use to justify it - often to the same atheists.
After this there was a local (county AFAIR) scandal over the organiser
ripping money off from the donations.
-CB
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| User: "Tony P." |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
28 Feb 2005 09:23:30 PM |
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In article <KIOUd.7625$xm5.3766@fe1.columbus.rr.com>, moc.rr.thgisni@
5ellimd.com says...
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
As a former scout it saddens me that they've taken the path toward
religious intolerance. Even though my troop was led by a Catholic priest
there wasn't any discrimination based on religious beliefs.
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
28 Feb 2005 09:39:46 PM |
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"Tony P." <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c8daa3e9d000d9989fc7@news.west.cox.net...
In article <KIOUd.7625$xm5.3766@fe1.columbus.rr.com>, moc.rr.thgisni@
5ellimd.com says...
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
As a former scout it saddens me that they've taken the path toward
religious intolerance. Even though my troop was led by a Catholic priest
there wasn't any discrimination based on religious beliefs.
Nor mine. But that was back before the BSA leadership became overwhelmingly
Catholic and LDS.
Jim
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Boycott United Way! |
28 Feb 2005 07:36:52 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:30:34 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
It's their own fault. But how often have you met scout folk who
attempt to justify their bigotry to the very people they're bigoted
against. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that telling
an atheist etc that they are unfit, have no moral values etc is highly
offensive. Attempting to justify their bigoted stereotype by appeal to
the same bigoted stereotype, to the very people who know it's untrue.
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| User: "elliot" |
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28 Feb 2005 08:40:57 PM |
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On 2005-02-28 20:36:52 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> said:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:30:34 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
It's their own fault. But how often have you met scout folk who
attempt to justify their bigotry to the very people they're bigoted
against. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that telling
an atheist etc that they are unfit, have no moral values etc is highly
offensive. Attempting to justify their bigoted stereotype by appeal to
the same bigoted stereotype, to the very people who know it's untrue.
And don't foget about the scout leadership that has recently been
caught inflating the membership numbers in order to increase their
states share of the monies distributed by national. Now that's
leadership!
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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01 Mar 2005 08:43:16 AM |
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elliot wrote:
On 2005-02-28 20:36:52 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> said:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:30:34 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
RoB WadE wrote:
In Northwestern Michigan, fourteen counties and several thousand Boy
Scouts are affected by the United Way decision to deny funding.
Huh. Guess the Boy Scouts leadership should have thought about that. I
mean, it hardly took a Rhodes scholar to theorize that their funding
might be affected. They got what they wanted, and now we see the result
of all that alleged character building: "Wah, wah, wah!"
Pathetic.
It's their own fault. But how often have you met scout folk who
attempt to justify their bigotry to the very people they're bigoted
against. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that telling
an atheist etc that they are unfit, have no moral values etc is highly
offensive. Attempting to justify their bigoted stereotype by appeal to
the same bigoted stereotype, to the very people who know it's untrue.
And don't foget about the scout leadership that has recently been
caught inflating the membership numbers in order to increase their
states share of the monies distributed by national. Now that's
leadership!
Can you say, "morally straight"?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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