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18 May 2005 04:41:42 PM |
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Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises is
that every one of them is completely true, even if we sometimes can't
explain how. In the case of seemingly unanswered prayers, we need to
trust in faith that our Father in heaven knows what he is doing, and
that he loves and cares for us as well as for the person we are praying
for. Rather than in giving up in anger and despair, we can summon our
faith and proclaim: "Lord, I have no idea what you are doing, but I
trust that you are directing all things in this situation for your
good."
The parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1-8) can offer us hope in
these times. This widow just kept going back to the judge over and
over, until finally she wore him down. Open a thesaurus and look up
"persistent," and you'll find some interesting synonyms: demanding,
relentless, constant, even pushy. These are the qualities that Jesus
commended in the widow -- qualities that he is asking us to adopt when
it comes to praying for others.
Let's take Jesus at his word today. Do you have a prayer that doesn't
seem to be getting answered? Keep on storming heaven with relentless,
demanding, constant, pushy prayers. Don't worry about offending God.
He knows what's in your heart, and he never turns away anyone who comes
to him in humility. So never stop asking your Father in heaven to
grant your requests. Keep praying, keep trusting, and whatever
happens, do not doubt God's promises for one second -- even when all
hope seems lost.
"Lord Jesus, I believe that you are utterly true to every promise
you've ever made. Even though my human mind cannot always see it, I
trust that you are working for good in every situation. I trust that
those I am praying for will receive your goodness and mercy."
Acts 18: 23-28
Psalm 47: 2-3, 8-10
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| User: "Steve" |
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18 May 2005 06:54:31 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
<snipped>
The parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1-8) can offer us hope in
these times. This widow just kept going back to the judge over and
over, until finally she wore him down. Open a thesaurus and look up
"persistent," and you'll find some interesting synonyms: demanding,
relentless, constant, even pushy. These are the qualities that Jesus
commended in the widow -- qualities that he is asking us to adopt when
it comes to praying for others.
Let's take Jesus at his word today. Do you have a prayer that doesn't
seem to be getting answered? Keep on storming heaven with relentless,
demanding, constant, pushy prayers. Don't worry about offending God.
so ya got to be real pushy n keep hammering the guy
He knows what's in your heart,
If he knows what i want wtf do i have to keep hammering him for? he on a
power trip or something ?
and he never turns away anyone who comes
to him in humility. So never stop asking your Father in heaven to
grant your requests. Keep praying, keep trusting, and whatever
happens, do not doubt God's promises for one second -- even when all
hope seems lost.
i c how it works..... u keep pleading n pleading for maybe months or years
.... and when something that you consider "good" happens it was all gawds
handy work. and usually its not what u asked for cause "gawd works in
mysterious ways"...right ?
"Lord Jesus, I believe that you are utterly true to every promise
you've ever made. Even though my human mind cannot always see it, I
trust that you are working for good in every situation. I trust that
those I am praying for will receive your goodness and mercy."
Acts 18: 23-28
Psalm 47: 2-3, 8-10
Why dont u frigging grow up and accept *you* are responsible for yourself.
Steve
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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18 May 2005 10:09:43 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24...
If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Mmmm, I can think of a reason...
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises
Let's see. People who can think their way out of a paper bag realize that
the "promises" are a bunch of *****. Those that can't chalk it all up to
"mystery".
Thank you, you have (probably unintentionally) clarified the issue quite
well.
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 May 2005 12:48:02 AM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24...
If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Mmmm, I can think of a reason...
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises
Let's see. People who can think their way out of a paper bag realize that
the "promises" are a bunch of *****. Those that can't chalk it all up to
"mystery".
Thank you, you have (probably unintentionally) clarified the issue quite
well.
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and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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20 May 2005 05:53:49 AM |
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On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 May 2005 09:34:05 PM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
Too true, but I still like Emmett's final line, don't you?
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Paul Erickson" |
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29 May 2005 07:29:23 PM |
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On 20 May 2005 21:34:05 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
Too true, but I still like Emmett's final line, don't you?
I don't
Slobbering Skeleton
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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22 May 2005 06:15:12 AM |
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On 20 May 2005 21:34:05 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
Too true, but I still like Emmett's final line, don't you?
I couldn't say, I have never read the man.
I don't have much time for philosophy, or philosophers.
When philosophy does something practical, I might consider it, but until then,
not interested.
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Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "wmech" |
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20 May 2005 08:30:17 PM |
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The objective evidence is rather strong that god did not create man: quite
the contrary, the evidence is that man created gods!
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Bill
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 May 2005 09:34:11 PM |
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wmech wrote:
The objective evidence is rather strong that god did not create man: quite
the contrary, the evidence is that man created gods!
Yep, 'cos if god made man he would not have created top posters
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Bill
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 20 May 2005 00:48:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
snip
and on the subject heading of this thread:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Then again, it could simply be the absence of belief in deity. (:-)
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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18 May 2005 06:51:49 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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There are no chains on those who refuse to accept your imaginary,
unsupported "sky daddy".
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| User: "kathryn" |
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19 May 2005 02:06:36 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Funny how something that doesn't exist doesn't answer prayers isn't it
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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19 May 2005 02:17:36 PM |
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Funny how something that doesn't exist doesn't answer prayers isn't it
It's not funny how people, despite that, still kill others in it's name
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 May 2005 03:05:36 PM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:06:36 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Funny how something that doesn't exist doesn't answer prayers isn't it
It's a mystery.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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19 May 2005 02:21:18 PM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:06:36 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <nospam@here.com>
wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Funny how something that doesn't exist doesn't answer prayers isn't it
These morons can't grasp that it's no different than "If there is one
promise of Santa claus that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction...".
And they wonder why they get treated like idiots for saying that to
people outside their belief.
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 May 2005 01:11:02 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
Funny how something that doesn't exist doesn't answer prayers isn't it
Yes I put it to the test, I asked it for nothing and would you believe it,
that's what I got!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 May 2005 09:44:37 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
Oh, get bent, you moron.
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Resident Witchpoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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20 May 2005 09:16:13 PM |
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"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
Cool.
I ask you to ***** and die.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Tesserasshole: When someone is such an ***** that he stretches into the
Fourth Dimension. (D. C. Davis)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 May 2005 07:55:06 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns965CD9993BC35askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
Cool.
I ask you to ***** and die.
I was thinking of asking for his computer...
(Two birds, one stone, you know)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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22 May 2005 05:29:40 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
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In our last episode <Xns965CD9993BC35askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
Cool.
I ask you to ***** and die.
I was thinking of asking for his computer...
(Two birds, one stone, you know)
It's kinda included--if he's dead, we can take his stuff :)
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Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Tesserasshole: When someone is such an ***** that he stretches into the
Fourth Dimension. (D. C. Davis)
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| User: "bob young" |
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23 May 2005 12:14:05 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <Xns965CD9993BC35askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1116452502.725430.109110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
Cool.
I ask you to ***** and die.
I was thinking of asking for his computer...
(Two birds, one stone, you know)
Hee Hee
I often wonder why it is that theists seem to have little or no sense of
humor?
One morning a man comes into the church on crutches.
He stops in front of the holy water and splashes some on both of his legs,
then throws away the crutches.
An Altar boy witnessed the scene and runs into the rectory to tell the
priest what he'd just seen.
Without batting an eye the priest says Son, you've just witnessed a
miracle!
Tell me, where is this man?
He is flat on his backside, Father, over by the holy water.
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
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19 May 2005 08:39:38 AM |
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"vivapadrepio@aol.com" wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
A teen aged boy, on the afternoon before his first real date, is on his
knees praying in his room.
"Come on, God. 'Ask and yea shall receive,' right? All I'm asking for is a
really nice car. Just for tonight; you can have it back tomorrow."
He gets up, goes to the window and look out at the driveway. Empty. He goes
back to his bedside and knees.
"Aww, come on! I'll say 50 rosaries and give next week's paycheck from
Burger Barn to the parish. I really, really need to impress Susan.
Please?!"
He again gets up and checks the driveway. Still empty.
The boy thinks for a moment, then inspiration hits. He goes in to his
parent's bedroom and takes the small statue of Mary from their dresser. He
takes it back to his room, stuffs it in to a sock, and hides it in the back
of the drawer holding his winter sweaters. He then returns to his bedside
and kneels.
"Ok, I don't have time for games. If you want to ever see your mother
again...."
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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19 May 2005 09:14:02 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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"vivapadrepio@aol.com" wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
A teen aged boy, on the afternoon before his first real date, is on his
knees praying in his room.
"Come on, God. 'Ask and yea shall receive,' right? All I'm asking for is a
really nice car. Just for tonight; you can have it back tomorrow."
He gets up, goes to the window and look out at the driveway. Empty. He
goes
back to his bedside and knees.
"Aww, come on! I'll say 50 rosaries and give next week's paycheck from
Burger Barn to the parish. I really, really need to impress Susan.
Please?!"
He again gets up and checks the driveway. Still empty.
The boy thinks for a moment, then inspiration hits. He goes in to his
parent's bedroom and takes the small statue of Mary from their dresser. He
takes it back to his room, stuffs it in to a sock, and hides it in the
back
of the drawer holding his winter sweaters. He then returns to his bedside
and kneels.
"Ok, I don't have time for games. If you want to ever see your mother
again....
"HAHAHAHAHA-GREAT!
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
19 May 2005 10:25:08 AM |
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wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I
realized that The Lord doesn't work that way, so I stole one and asked
him to forgive me. -Emo Phillips
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
20 May 2005 01:09:03 AM |
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"sdq@sdq.sdq" wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I
realized that The Lord doesn't work that way, so I stole one and asked
him to forgive me. -Emo Phillips
Ya see, De Lawd moves in mysterious ways!
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
19 May 2005 05:14:21 AM |
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Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one.
My mother told me never to trust men with beards.
~Iain
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
20 May 2005 01:05:04 AM |
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Iain wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one.
My mother told me never to trust men with beards....
.......and long flowing cloaks that cover their genitals
Bob
~Iain
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
19 May 2005 10:15:20 AM |
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On 19 May 2005 03:14:21 -0700, "Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one.
My mother told me never to trust men with beards.
~Iain
And offers too good to be true clearly should not be believed.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
18 May 2005 05:33:10 PM |
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wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks
free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises
is
that every one of them is completely true, even if we sometimes can't
explain how.
In other words, it looks like they aren't, but you insist they are
anyway.
In the case of seemingly unanswered prayers, we need to
trust in faith that our Father in heaven knows what he is doing,
What's really interesting is that your god seems to be behaving in ways
that makes it *look as though he never interferes with events. All of
the "miracles" are consistent with random events, all of the "answered
prayers" are indistinguishable from event when there are no prayers at
all, etc.
I wonder where Occam's Razor would lead us on this path of inquiry?
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that he loves and cares for us as well as for the person we are
praying
for.
Or hates and idsdains us. Or doesn't exist. How could you tell? How
would the world be different if there were no gods of any kind? How
would it be different if his favorite prophet were Mohammed, or his
name were Brahma, or Woden, or Zeus?
What evidence would we look for?
Rather than in giving up in anger and despair, we can summon our
faith and proclaim: "Lord, I have no idea what you are doing, but I
trust that you are directing all things in this situation for your
good."
In other words, against all evidence and reason, keep wallowing in
wishful thinking.
The parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1-8) can offer us hope
in
these times. This widow just kept going back to the judge over and
over, until finally she wore him down. Open a thesaurus and look up
"persistent," and you'll find some interesting synonyms: demanding,
relentless, constant, even pushy. These are the qualities that Jesus
commended in the widow -- qualities that he is asking us to adopt
when
it comes to praying for others.
No, someone 1900 years or so ago wrote that down.
Let's take Jesus at his word today. Do you have a prayer that
doesn't
seem to be getting answered? Keep on storming heaven with
relentless,
demanding, constant, pushy prayers. Don't worry about offending God.
He knows what's in your heart, and he never turns away anyone who
comes
to him in humility. So never stop asking your Father in heaven to
grant your requests. Keep praying, keep trusting, and whatever
happens, do not doubt God's promises for one second -- even when all
hope seems lost.
And yet the folks who post here show no humility when asked reasonable
questions. You and all your ilk utterly deny the possibility that you
are wrong. Where's the humility there?
"Lord Jesus, I believe that you are utterly true to every promise
you've ever made. Even though my human mind cannot always see it, I
trust that you are working for good in every situation. I trust that
those I am praying for will receive your goodness and mercy."
Acts 18: 23-28
Psalm 47: 2-3, 8-10
"Dear Gawd, I know it only *looks like you don't exist, but I'm
convinced you do, because I really, really, want it to be so. Amen."
Kermit
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
18 May 2005 05:03:41 PM |
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wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks
free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises
is
that every one of them is completely true, even if we sometimes can't
explain how. In the case of seemingly unanswered prayers, we need to
trust in faith that our Father in heaven knows what he is doing, and
that he loves and cares for us as well as for the person we are
praying
for. Rather than in giving up in anger and despair, we can summon
our
faith and proclaim: "Lord, I have no idea what you are doing, but I
trust that you are directing all things in this situation for your
good."
The parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1-8) can offer us hope
in
these times. This widow just kept going back to the judge over and
over, until finally she wore him down. Open a thesaurus and look up
"persistent," and you'll find some interesting synonyms: demanding,
relentless, constant, even pushy. These are the qualities that Jesus
commended in the widow -- qualities that he is asking us to adopt
when
it comes to praying for others.
Let's take Jesus at his word today. Do you have a prayer that
doesn't
seem to be getting answered? Keep on storming heaven with
relentless,
demanding, constant, pushy prayers. Don't worry about offending God.
He knows what's in your heart, and he never turns away anyone who
comes
to him in humility. So never stop asking your Father in heaven to
grant your requests. Keep praying, keep trusting, and whatever
happens, do not doubt God's promises for one second -- even when all
hope seems lost.
"Lord Jesus, I believe that you are utterly true to every promise
you've ever made. Even though my human mind cannot always see it, I
trust that you are working for good in every situation. I trust that
those I am praying for will receive your goodness and mercy."
Acts 18: 23-28
Psalm 47: 2-3, 8-10
yes that certainly worked for the couple that let their 2 day old baby
die by praying instead of giving it medical attention.
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| User: "D-word" |
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| Title: Re: Breaking The Chains Of Atheism. |
19 May 2005 03:44:48 PM |
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snex wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
Ask, and you will receive. -- John 16:24.
If there is one promise of God that is guaranteed to draw a
skeptical
reaction, it's this one. After all, what are we to make of the
times
that we have asked, and not received? A loved one that we had been
praying for dies. A family member with an addiction never breaks
free.
A broken relationship remains unhealed. If this promise of Jesus
is
true, why are our prayers not being answered?
The truth is, we don't know. Part of the mystery of God's promises
is
that every one of them is completely true, even if we sometimes
can't
explain how.
yes that certainly worked for the couple that let their 2 day old
baby
die by praying instead of giving it medical attention.
"Part of the mystery of God's promises is that every one of them is
completely true, even if we sometimes can't explain how." Lol.
The idiocy of Christians is hilarious. Part of the mystery....oh what
could it be? Could it be that "HE" don't exist, Bubba?
Nah, that's not it. Let us pray.
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