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15 Mar 2006 06:17:59 PM |
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Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Jim Anderson from Pawlet, Vermont, writes:
"I agree with you on evolution, homosexuality and more. However, I
think we need to appreciate the fact that the conservatives' problem
with evolution is based on more than Genesis. The premise of the Old
Testament is that God does stuff on earth - lots of stuff. If God is
not managing how life forms on earth are created, what else isn't He
(She) managing or doing? The notion that the messes we create on earth
are not part of God's plan and that God is not going to intervene and
fix them is a scary thought. The question is how can we get the
conservatives to accept the idea that we are responsible? Jesus showed
us what to do. How can we get them to accept that now it is up to us to
do it? "
Dear Jim,
Your point is well made. What we need is maturity in religion not
childlike dependency. We don't need to be "born again," we need to grow
up! But religion encourages childishness by proclaiming there is a
super parent in the sky ready and willing to take care of us. So we
seek to please this God with proper worship and proper living. We
flatter the God in worship (listen to the words of our hymns: 'How
great thou art!' for example). Because we learned as children that
flattery works with authority figures, we assume that it will also work
on the ultimate authority figure! That is why I have argued that
"theism" as a definition of God has got to go. That does not mean that
there is no God, no holiness, and no "otherness." It does mean that the
old definitions do not work any longer. I see God as life, love and
being. I worship God by living, loving and being. I serve this God by
seeking to build a world in which all people have a better chance to
live, love and be. That seems so simple to me and yet it constantly
fills me with wonder. When I live into this meaning of worship,
religion and life flow together as one. That is the heart of mysticism.
It makes sense to me and it places God in the center of all that is.
That is where I always meet holiness.
-- John Shelby Spong
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
19 Mar 2006 10:30:45 AM |
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<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Get back under your bridge!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
16 Mar 2006 08:37:37 AM |
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<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Mar 2006 11:04:29 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
Looks like he sold it to Oral Roberts (or Oral's lesser known brother, Anal)
some time ago...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Chicago 5 (March 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 17 at Milwaukee, 7:05
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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16 Mar 2006 10:43:26 AM |
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In <47tbdjFh4t0tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
To be out of one's mind, doesn't one have to have a mind to begin with?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
16 Mar 2006 06:53:56 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:37:37 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <47tbdjFh4t0tU1@individual.net>
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
Bllody damn fool question!
;)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
17 Mar 2006 09:05:37 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:142k12p53r9q0u38iu88q1g7af1htu2diq@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:37:37 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <47tbdjFh4t0tU1@individual.net>
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
Bllody damn fool question!
LOL - Good point! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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16 Mar 2006 08:58:12 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:37:37 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
Standard faire for the brainwashed mentality.
Chances are this idiot will not respond to anything. He shot his
wad like some porn star on atheism's chest for god.
Now he'll run off and declare his studhood for the lord.
Am I being to graphic? I have this fault of thinking religion and
sex are the same thing. Just supplanted.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
17 Mar 2006 09:06:41 AM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:uu8k1252epe8k07uk14a71u56r5p2suj45@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:37:37 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Are you out of your mind?
Standard faire for the brainwashed mentality.
Chances are this idiot will not respond to anything. He shot his
wad like some porn star on atheism's chest for god.
:::SPEW!!!::: ACK!
Now he'll run off and declare his studhood for the lord.
Am I being to graphic? I have this fault of thinking religion and
sex are the same thing. Just supplanted.
Oh my. Perhaps this explains why I always end up thinking about sex on
those rare occasions that I have to go to a church service ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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15 Mar 2006 07:05:07 PM |
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<dharbor2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
No. When all your misunderstandings are ironed out, you'll be an atheist.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Ph˙ltêr" |
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16 Mar 2006 07:07:38 AM |
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had me ROTFL with: news:1142468279.049471.181320
@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God
Suck my *****, retard.
--
Ph˙ltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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16 Mar 2006 02:01:08 PM |
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wrote:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Not likely
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IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.
They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.
Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand
Theologies holding to this basic class of god as
their basic definitions of what god is at god's
most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it
collapses rather easily into internal self-
contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by
Epicurus in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or
omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes
back to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is
still popular, and is championed most notably
today by Alvin Plantinga, but also by other
theologians.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do
evil. Ability to do evil is less evil than
lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature
incapable of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature,
this good nature is not allowed to count
against god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count
against man's free will than it does for god's
free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will
and god does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free
will, thus free will is not a true necessity
at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and
can give man a god like free will and a
god-like good nature incapable of moral evil,
god must do so or god is not moral, not
omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can
have a god like free will and a god like good
nature. Either way, free will cannot explain away
the existence of evil. This free will defense
then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most
religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all
in the Universe and he knows the future of the
Universe and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that
in 13 billion years this Universe will have a
man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and
damned, God will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present
state will have a John Smith, god may then
contemplate the future state of Smith and
decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a
specific personal and will choice made solely
by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely
because of a choice made by god. In fact all
moral evil done by creations of god will be
evil and do evil only because of personal and
willful creations of god allowing evil acts
to be done, by direct decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient
creator god, it is solely and only because
god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal
choices of god, god then is not as defined,
omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a
Universe cannot have any free will, not even
in principle. A Universe with a god that
creates all and knows all precludes free will
for all beings god creates in the strongest
possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is
incoherent and contradictory as a theory
and such a god is impossible.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this
Grand God has been defined here with as few
terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defense, free will is fatally
flawed. God's good nature and free will doom
claims free will makes evil necessary for man
to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further
doom claims of god's omnibenevolence and
man's free will free will cannot exist for
man. All evil is the direct and knowing
creation of god contradicting claims of
omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible,
free will cannot be a good quality, much less
necessary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has
collapsed. As has Grand Theology. As pointed out,
this destroys the claims and viability of an
entire class of possible gods, all secondary and
tertiary claims for such a god of this class also
fail, as do dogmas or secondary or tertiary
claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined,
specific gods cannot, nor can claims such as this
or that Grand God sent this or that revelation to
man or some prophet or did this or that.
God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
to anything real and existant.
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So you want to fight the Master!
First you must fight my brother Chang!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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16 Mar 2006 02:04:19 PM |
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wrote:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Here's the "gap" between Christianity and atheism: atheists lack a
belief in gods. Not just *your* god (the Christian one), but *any* god
at all. In order to bridge that gap, you've got to provide some
evidence that such a thing as a "god" actually exists. Once you do
that, then we can go on to talking about whether or not your god is the
one worshipped by the Christians.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "" |
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16 Mar 2006 04:39:50 AM |
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wrote:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Surely when all the idiocy is ironed out, theists will embrace the
truth & freedom of godlessness, and you will kiss up my *****.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Department of Telepropaganda
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
15 Mar 2006 08:24:53 PM |
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In <1142468279.049471.181320@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
dharbor2003@yahoo.com wrote:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God
If only that god guy would stop stubbornly not existing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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15 Mar 2006 07:16:53 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
....
Regards,
Josef
The difficult part in an argument is not to defend one's opinion, but
rather to know it.
-- André Maurois
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| User: "Rick" |
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16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 AM |
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Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
16 Mar 2006 04:38:45 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4ednYzaE8i7v4TZRVn-uw@giganews.com>
Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
You don't know him very well, do you?
Or is it that you don't what an atheist is?
It's one of two...
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4ednYzaE8i7v4TZRVn-uw@giganews.com>
Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
You don't know him very well, do you?
Or is it that you don't what an atheist is?
It's one of two...
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a smiley.
- Rick
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Bridging Gap between Christianity and Atheism |
16 Mar 2006 05:53:07 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <U6Gdnf9yP-WL1ITZRVn-gg@giganews.com>
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4ednYzaE8i7v4TZRVn-uw@giganews.com>
Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
You don't know him very well, do you?
Or is it that you don't what an atheist is?
It's one of two...
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a smiley.
- Rick
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
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16 Mar 2006 10:29:53 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <U6Gdnf9yP-WL1ITZRVn-gg@giganews.com>
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4ednYzaE8i7v4TZRVn-uw@giganews.com>
Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel
on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will
kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems
plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just
happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
You don't know him very well, do you?
Or is it that you don't what an atheist is?
It's one of two...
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a smiley.
- Rick
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
- Rick
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18 Mar 2006 08:53:47 PM |
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On 2006-03-16, Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick" wrote:
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a
smiley.
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
*This* is *not* an emoticon.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
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19 Mar 2006 02:49:14 AM |
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wrote in message ...
On 2006-03-16, Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick" wrote:
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a
smiley.
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
*This* is *not* an emoticon.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
,+*^^*+___+++_
,*^^^^ )
_+* ^**+_
_+^^*+_ ( ,+*^ ^ \+_ )
{ ) ( ,( ,_+--+--, ^) ^\
{ (@) } f ,( ,+-^ __*_*_ ^^\_ ^\ )
{:;-/ (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_ ) ) /
( / ( ( ,___ ^*+_+* ) < < \
U _/ ) *--< ) ^\-----++__) ) ) )
( ) _(^)^^)) ) )\^^^^^))^*+/ / /
( / (_))_^)) ) ) ))^^^^^))^^^)__/ +^^
( ,/ (^))^)) ) ) ))^^^^^^^))^^) _)
*+__+* (_))^) ) ) ))^^^^^^))^^^^^)____*^
\ \_)^)_)) ))^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^)
(_ ^\__^^^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^^^^)
^\___ ^\__^^^^^^))^^^^^^^^)\\
^^^^^\uuu/^^\uuu/^^^^\^\^\^\^\^\^\^\
___) >____) >___ ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\)
^^^//\\_^^//\\_^ ^(\_\_\_\)
^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^
It's a commandment.
A Turkicon is ontologically of the same essence as a smiley! And your
turkey...it looks like it's smiling. Or at least smirking.
- Rick, gonna find me an ascii Cheney with gun next thanksgiving and have
Brien's turkey for dinner.
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| User: "Gregory Morrow" |
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19 Mar 2006 08:33:47 AM |
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wrote:
On 2006-03-16, Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick" wrote:
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a
smiley.
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
*This* is *not* an emoticon.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
,+*^^*+___+++_
,*^^^^ )
_+* ^**+_
_+^^*+_ ( ,+*^ ^ \+_ )
{ ) ( ,( ,_+--+--, ^) ^\
{ (@) } f ,( ,+-^ __*_*_ ^^\_ ^\ )
{:;-/ (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_ ) ) /
( / ( ( ,___ ^*+_+* ) < < \
U _/ ) *--< ) ^\-----++__) ) ) )
( ) _(^)^^)) ) )\^^^^^))^*+/ / /
( / (_))_^)) ) ) ))^^^^^))^^^)__/ +^^
( ,/ (^))^)) ) ) ))^^^^^^^))^^) _)
*+__+* (_))^) ) ) ))^^^^^^))^^^^^)____*^
\ \_)^)_)) ))^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^)
(_ ^\__^^^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^^^^)
^\___ ^\__^^^^^^))^^^^^^^^)\\
^^^^^\uuu/^^\uuu/^^^^\^\^\^\^\^\^\^\
___) >____) >___ ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\)
^^^//\\_^^//\\_^ ^(\_\_\_\)
^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^
It's a commandment.
This is a FAKE turkey...it's one of a bunch of 24 pictures that show
ALL different turkeys...this pic is a FAKE that was posted on the "Club
Love" website...ole' Bill Ballance is just BITTER........
--
Best
Greg
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| User: "Sr. Rojo" |
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19 Mar 2006 01:02:40 PM |
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In article <1142778827.024305.162090@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote:
Brien@WatchRock.net wrote:
On 2006-03-16, Rick <pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick" wrote:
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a
smiley.
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
*This* is *not* an emoticon.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
,+*^^*+___+++_
,*^^^^ )
_+* ^**+_
_+^^*+_ ( ,+*^ ^ \+_ )
{ ) ( ,( ,_+--+--, ^) ^\
{ (@) } f ,( ,+-^ __*_*_ ^^\_ ^\ )
{:;-/ (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_ ) ) /
( / ( ( ,___ ^*+_+* ) < < \
U _/ ) *--< ) ^\-----++__) ) ) )
( ) _(^)^^)) ) )\^^^^^))^*+/ / /
( / (_))_^)) ) ) ))^^^^^))^^^)__/ +^^
( ,/ (^))^)) ) ) ))^^^^^^^))^^) _)
*+__+* (_))^) ) ) ))^^^^^^))^^^^^)____*^
\ \_)^)_)) ))^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^)
(_ ^\__^^^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^^^^)
^\___ ^\__^^^^^^))^^^^^^^^)\\
^^^^^\uuu/^^\uuu/^^^^\^\^\^\^\^\^\^\
___) >____) >___ ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\)
^^^//\\_^^//\\_^ ^(\_\_\_\)
^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^
It's a commandment.
This is a FAKE turkey...it's one of a bunch of 24 pictures that show
ALL different turkeys...this pic is a FAKE that was posted on the "Club
Love" website...ole' Bill Ballance is just BITTER........
--
Best
Greg
A post like this will do nothing but confuse the mental midget, L'il Jak
--
'Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house - he's lost his entire house -
there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting
on the porch.''
--GeeDubya (Mobile, AL)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 Mar 2006 06:52:50 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:29:53 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4idnZM8Rf0aD4TZRVn-gA@giganews.com>
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:16:30 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <U6Gdnf9yP-WL1ITZRVn-gg@giganews.com>
Michael Gray wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
- Refer: <R4ednYzaE8i7v4TZRVn-uw@giganews.com>
Josef Balluch wrote in message ...
In a message sent 'round the world, poured fuel
on
the fire with the following:
Surely when all the misunderstandings are ironed out, ...
Theists have been whining for thousands of years that they are
"misunderstood". So whose problem is that?
... atheists will
embrace the
beliefs of Christians and God, man (believer and disbeliever) will
kiss
up and
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord most High.
Jim Anderson and Bishop Spong both expose the central problems
plaguing
anyone truly seeking the Lord.
Neither of these gentlemen mentions atheism. Perhaps you can begin to
see the reasons why you are "misunderstood".
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just
happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
- Rick
You don't know him very well, do you?
Or is it that you don't what an atheist is?
It's one of two...
I guess folks here are humor-challenged. I shoulda used a smiley.
- Rick
It's probably my fault.
I am an Aspie.
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
- Rick
But I'm Brien!
(And so is my wife)
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2006 08:56:54 PM |
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On 2006-03-17, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:29:53 -0600, "Rick"
Blame Brien. He doesn't allow emoticons. Except at Thanksgiving.
But I'm Brien!
(And so is my wife)
Mine too. Imagine that.
--
Brien
"I tell you. I remember, once I had a friend."
--Dr. Laura Schlessinger
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Mar 2006 03:16:33 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
No. He's theist, subset Christian. Just not a literalist, and
realistic enough to understand that a lot of the stories are just
that: stories.
- Rick
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| User: "Rick" |
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16 Mar 2006 05:06:07 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
No. He's theist, subset Christian.
He's not a theist in any normal sense of the word. He's not even really a
deist. To him God is just an idea. Spong is funstionally an atheist who has
a sense of awe and wonder about the world, and is accustomed to using
religious ideas and language to express his views.
Just not a literalist,
That's the understatement of the year. Actually, it's just not true. He's
far, far less than a literalist. There are many theistic Christians who are
far from literalists, but are also far from Spong, including a lrge number
of liberal mainline protestant clergy and theologians.
and realistic enough to understand that a lot of the
stories are just that: stories.
Well, as DanielSan would say, that's your opinion. And Spong's.
- Rick
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Mar 2006 05:43:35 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:06:07 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
No. He's theist, subset Christian.
He's not a theist in any normal sense of the word. He's not even really a
deist. To him God is just an idea. Spong is funstionally an atheist who has
a sense of awe and wonder about the world, and is accustomed to using
religious ideas and language to express his views.
He's not much different than a lot of Christians in the UK, who
certainly aren't atheists or even deists. They think there's
"Something out there", and they like Jesus' message but think much of
it is allegorical.
In the UK David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham, was accused by
conservatives of being atheist. Like Spong, he believes in a deity and
is anything but a biblical literalist. He's managed to reconcile his
Christianity and his belief in deity, with today's world.
Just not a literalist,
That's the understatement of the year. Actually, it's just not true. He's
far, far less than a literalist. There are many theistic Christians who are
far from literalists, but are also far from Spong, including a lrge number
of liberal mainline protestant clergy and theologians.
In the UK Spong wouldn't be controversial among a huge segment of
Christians.
and realistic enough to understand that a lot of the
stories are just that: stories.
Well, as DanielSan would say, that's your opinion. And Spong's.
It's reality.
He is theist, just not the sort binary thinkers who think there is
only one kind, imagine.
- Rick
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| User: "Rick" |
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16 Mar 2006 10:37:53 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote in message
<32ji12tntak6qgd5bihgrb652rljcfiekt@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:06:07 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:30:20 -0600, "Rick"
<pl1_alpha_geek@juNOSPAM.com> wrote:
In case anyone didn't already know, Spong *is* an atheist. He just
happens
to wear clerical robes sometimes and some people call him Bishop.
No. He's theist, subset Christian.
He's not a theist in any normal sense of the word. He's not even really a
deist. To him God is just an idea. Spong is funstionally an atheist who
has
a sense of awe and wonder about the world, and is accustomed to using
religious ideas and language to express his views.
He's not much different than a lot of Christians in the UK, who
certainly aren't atheists or even deists. They think there's
"Something out there", and they like Jesus' message but think much of
it is allegorical.
In the UK David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham, was accused by
conservatives of being atheist. Like Spong, he believes in a deity and
is anything but a biblical literalist. He's managed to reconcile his
Christianity and his belief in deity, with today's world.
Just not a literalist,
That's the understatement of the year. Actually, it's just not true. He's
far, far less than a literalist. There are many theistic Christians who
are
far from literalists, but are also far from Spong, including a lrge number
of liberal mainline protestant clergy and theologians.
In the UK Spong wouldn't be controversial among a huge segment of
Christians.
Here's some analysis of Spong by a Brit who is very far from being a
literalist:
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13880.htm
- Rick
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