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Religions > Atheism |
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"J Young" |
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03 Oct 2006 11:20:04 PM |
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Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews and the Atheists, both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught to
our children.
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/32006h.asp
....This academic year, hundreds of public school districts nationwide are
offering elective Bible courses in high schools, which can be legal if it's
done carefully. The Supreme Court, in its 1963 ruling that barred ceremonial
school Bible readings, said the Bible is "worthy of study for its literary
and historic qualities" so long as material is "presented objectively as
part of a secular program of education." Surveys show widespread biblical
illiteracy among young Americans, much to the distress of high school and
college teachers who recognize scripture's central role in culture and
history. Competing curricula are offered by the Bible Literacy Project and
the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
11 Oct 2006 08:24:12 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
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On 11 Oct 2006 13:17:14 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:mdppi2d3q0oae9db30lcvlgjtmsv2smkqj@4ax.com:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:30:22 GMT, wrote:
On 10-Oct-2006, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Which sounds exactly like what he is trying to say about us.
Which IS exactly you.
I have my reasons for beliving
Children have reasons for believing that monsters live under their
beds - that doesn't make the monsters real.
Just sheer curiosity this AM, what reasons do children have?
Lack of knowledge.
How many children do you personally know who believe this?
At the present time only about 4 (not too sure yet about the youngest
one, but her sisters have some influence on her). But I've known many
little ones in my many decades who have thought there's a monster
under their bed or in their closet or on the wall when the lights are
out.
Can you cite a study of this?
A study showing that some children believe in monsters? It's posted
right next to the one that shows that the cause of poverty is lack of
money and that women give birth more often than men. Proxmire would
be proud of a study like that.
Ahhh, personal experience then.
I have yet to meet any child or parent who has a child
believing a monster is under the bed.
Then you have very limited experience with little children in the US.
Little children, yes. I have worked primarily with teens. I suppose
that is why I have not known any..... but I don't remember parents
mentioning this either. Oh, well. Thanks for the reply.
Pangur
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
11 Oct 2006 09:36:03 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 01:24:12 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:m4eqi2hh9glmgahucj9tgj75r59c1jg548@4ax.com:
On 11 Oct 2006 13:17:14 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
I have yet to meet any child or parent who has a child
believing a monster is under the bed.
Then you have very limited experience with little children in the US.
Little children, yes. I have worked primarily with teens. I suppose
that is why I have not known any..... but I don't remember parents
mentioning this either.
Nor do they mention that, prior to about the age of 3, most kids are
still in diapers. Or that at around 2, kids develop earaches.
Parents rarely belabor things that every parent knows. Why bother
telling you how wet the water around here is? Or that a 4-year-old
may be thoroughly convinced, beyond all demonstrated proof to the
contrary, that there IS SO a monster in the closet - but you can't see
it if you open the door, or go into the closet with a flashlight?
Almost all kids go through that.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
11 Oct 2006 10:02:35 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:l8ari2l1fqvlu5qd0hmf16jrjji05rj0u0@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 01:24:12 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:m4eqi2hh9glmgahucj9tgj75r59c1jg548@4ax.com:
On 11 Oct 2006 13:17:14 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I have yet to meet any child or parent who has a child
believing a monster is under the bed.
Then you have very limited experience with little children in the
US.
Little children, yes. I have worked primarily with teens. I suppose
that is why I have not known any..... but I don't remember parents
mentioning this either.
Nor do they mention that, prior to about the age of 3, most kids are
still in diapers. Or that at around 2, kids develop earaches.
Parents rarely belabor things that every parent knows. Why bother
telling you how wet the water around here is? Or that a 4-year-old
may be thoroughly convinced, beyond all demonstrated proof to the
contrary, that there IS SO a monster in the closet - but you can't see
it if you open the door, or go into the closet with a flashlight?
Almost all kids go through that.
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every day!
And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children - but
compensated by working with teens. I know very little about the little
ones.
Pangur - Put them in a lidded barrel and feed 'em through a tube till
they are adults! (old joke, and not one which I advocate but couldn't
resist)
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12 Oct 2006 07:38:04 AM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every day!
And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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12 Oct 2006 09:05:23 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:jndsi2d1crugobau0n7i2ufvi1kdi523en@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every day!
And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
Adoption is not an option for me....I am beyond the age considered
appropriate for an adoptive parent.
Pangur
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Oct 2006 01:52:19 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 14:05:23 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:jndsi2d1crugobau0n7i2ufvi1kdi523en@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every day!
And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
Adoption is not an option for me....I am beyond the age considered
appropriate for an adoptive parent.
The oldest adopter I've heard of was around 69. Granted, that was a
special case, but a 69 year old woman, in possession of her health and
faculties, is a 69 year old woman in possession of her health and
faculties. I'm not exactly at the age adoption agencies are foaming
at the mouth for either, but the only reasons I wouldn't adopt right
now are not enough stamina to keep up with young ones (a few days'
visit with my great nephews is more than enough to remind me of that)
and the fact that if I had kids I'd like to see them reach the age of
at least 21 - and there'd be small chance of that.
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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12 Oct 2006 07:43:05 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:8e3ti2hciihihbjrdhanoj8km0fe5lnkos@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 14:05:23 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:jndsi2d1crugobau0n7i2ufvi1kdi523en@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every
day! And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
Adoption is not an option for me....I am beyond the age considered
appropriate for an adoptive parent.
The oldest adopter I've heard of was around 69. Granted, that was a
special case, but a 69 year old woman, in possession of her health and
faculties, is a 69 year old woman in possession of her health and
faculties. I'm not exactly at the age adoption agencies are foaming
at the mouth for either, but the only reasons I wouldn't adopt right
now are not enough stamina to keep up with young ones (a few days'
visit with my great nephews is more than enough to remind me of that)
and the fact that if I had kids I'd like to see them reach the age of
at least 21 - and there'd be small chance of that.
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids over
the years.
I am still too old - and the health? Nope - not gonna happen.
Pangur - who adopts rescued animals
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
13 Oct 2006 07:46:36 AM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:8e3ti2hciihihbjrdhanoj8km0fe5lnkos@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 14:05:23 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:jndsi2d1crugobau0n7i2ufvi1kdi523en@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every
day! And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
Adoption is not an option for me....I am beyond the age considered
appropriate for an adoptive parent.
The oldest adopter I've heard of was around 69. Granted, that was a
special case, but a 69 year old woman, in possession of her health and
faculties, is a 69 year old woman in possession of her health and
faculties. I'm not exactly at the age adoption agencies are foaming
at the mouth for either, but the only reasons I wouldn't adopt right
now are not enough stamina to keep up with young ones (a few days'
visit with my great nephews is more than enough to remind me of that)
and the fact that if I had kids I'd like to see them reach the age of
at least 21 - and there'd be small chance of that.
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids overt
the years.
And I am willing to bet you never had any disruptive classes.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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13 Oct 2006 11:45:08 AM |
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Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
news:at0vi29qsacgkb97qeq2vp87r79qdoae8g@4ax.com:
On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:8e3ti2hciihihbjrdhanoj8km0fe5lnkos@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 14:05:23 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:jndsi2d1crugobau0n7i2ufvi1kdi523en@4ax.com:
On 12 Oct 2006 03:02:35 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped in peanut butter! Learn something new every
day! And I appreciate the info. I was not able to have children
Neither will I in that way, but both of us have alternatives -
marriage for me, marriage or adoption for you.
Adoption is not an option for me....I am beyond the age considered
appropriate for an adoptive parent.
The oldest adopter I've heard of was around 69. Granted, that was a
special case, but a 69 year old woman, in possession of her health
and faculties, is a 69 year old woman in possession of her health
and faculties. I'm not exactly at the age adoption agencies are
foaming at the mouth for either, but the only reasons I wouldn't
adopt right now are not enough stamina to keep up with young ones (a
few days' visit with my great nephews is more than enough to remind
me of that) and the fact that if I had kids I'd like to see them
reach the age of at least 21 - and there'd be small chance of that.
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids
overt the years.
And I am willing to bet you never had any disruptive classes.
Incorrect. I am a Specialist; I worked with "problem" teens, those
just released from juvenile dentention, those with troubled backgrounds,
those who could not function in an average classroom, those who came to
class on drugs, etc.
Pangur - who did not retire until stabbed in the classroom by one of the
students.
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14 Oct 2006 11:56:40 AM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 16:45:08 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
news:at0vi29qsacgkb97qeq2vp87r79qdoae8g@4ax.com:
On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
[]
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids
overt the years.
And I am willing to bet you never had any disruptive classes.
Incorrect. I am a Specialist; I worked with "problem" teens, those
just released from juvenile dentention, those with troubled backgrounds,
those who could not function in an average classroom, those who came to
class on drugs, etc.
Pangur - who did not retire until stabbed in the classroom by one of the
students.
YIKES!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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14 Oct 2006 01:04:56 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
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On 13 Oct 2006 16:45:08 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
news:at0vi29qsacgkb97qeq2vp87r79qdoae8g@4ax.com:
On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids
overt the years.
And I am willing to bet you never had any disruptive classes.
Incorrect. I am a Specialist; I worked with "problem" teens, those
just released from juvenile dentention, those with troubled
backgrounds, those who could not function in an average classroom,
those who came to class on drugs, etc.
Pangur - who did not retire until stabbed in the classroom by one of
the students.
YIKES!
"Yikes", indeed! That was the same year we had several drive-by
shootings.... and I had in class my first student who had been born
addicted to crack. I was no longer a teacher, but a corrections
officer, therapist, baby-sitter, substitute parent, police officer,
narc, etc.
Pangur - who loved teaching and still does
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15 Oct 2006 11:47:00 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2006 18:04:56 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:hk52j2t44uv3uhouo7v1pium32mgm3oq97@4ax.com:
On 13 Oct 2006 16:45:08 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
news:at0vi29qsacgkb97qeq2vp87r79qdoae8g@4ax.com:
On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids
overt the years.
And I am willing to bet you never had any disruptive classes.
Incorrect. I am a Specialist; I worked with "problem" teens, those
just released from juvenile dentention, those with troubled
backgrounds, those who could not function in an average classroom,
those who came to class on drugs, etc.
Pangur - who did not retire until stabbed in the classroom by one of
the students.
YIKES!
"Yikes", indeed! That was the same year we had several drive-by
shootings.... and I had in class my first student who had been born
addicted to crack. I was no longer a teacher, but a corrections
officer, therapist, baby-sitter, substitute parent, police officer,
narc, etc.
Pangur - who loved teaching and still does
I've done some teaching, but with adults. I don't have the talent to
bring things to a childs level.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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12 Oct 2006 09:03:26 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids over
the years.
I am still too old - and the health? Nope - not gonna happen.
Pangur - who adopts rescued animals
My sympathies. But teaching has its own rewards. I love the "Eureka"
moment.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort
Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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12 Oct 2006 09:15:39 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
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On 13 Oct 2006 00:43:05 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
But if you're young enough, able and find yourself in the right
situation, why not? Kids are just about the greatest reason to be
alive - your own or someone else's.
Which is why I went into teaching - and have had thousands of kids
over the years.
I am still too old - and the health? Nope - not gonna happen.
Pangur - who adopts rescued animals
My sympathies. But teaching has its own rewards. I love the "Eureka"
moment.
One of my favorites was the lecture on the Black Death - including
graphic descriptions of the symptoms....and an eyewitness account from a
man who buried his entire family with his own hands. The first had my
students threatening to throw up in the wastebasket...but they were
riveted. The account brought tears to eyes.... including the boys who
had sudden colds or hayfever.
Pangur
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13 Oct 2006 07:30:39 AM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 02:15:39 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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riveted. The account brought tears to eyes.... including the boys who
had sudden colds or hayfever.
Yeah - boys don't actually *cry*. :)
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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Bozo the Clown."
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12 Oct 2006 03:27:00 PM |
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On 11-Oct-2006, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:30:22 GMT, wrote:
On 10-Oct-2006, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Which sounds exactly like what he is trying to say about us.
Which IS exactly you.
Your reiterating this lie only shows that this is all you have.
Susan
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12 Oct 2006 05:08:49 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:27:00 GMT, wrote:
On 11-Oct-2006, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:30:22 GMT, wrote:
On 10-Oct-2006, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Which sounds exactly like what he is trying to say about us.
Which IS exactly you.
Your reiterating this lie only shows that this is all you have.
Faith is belief without knowledge. It doesn't take faith to believe
that water is wet.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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10 Oct 2006 04:11:19 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:52:47 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:55:35 GMT, wrote:
On 6-Oct-2006, Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The one who is/thinks like
a child is YOU!
Just because you say so.
Religion is, at best, childish. (At worst it's a form of mental
illness.)
At best it's cultural and harmless, at the centre of people's lives.
When my (Catholic) Bestest and Closest Friend's mother died, I
couldn't give her the comfort she needed.
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06 Oct 2006 03:07:09 PM |
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wrote:
On 5-Oct-2006, "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
Incest isn't the gist of the story.
Then delete the incest reference from all future printings.
Just because you want to treat the Bible like regular
children's
literature
doesn't mean anyone else is necesasarily going to do so.
The incest is actually very important: it shows us what happens
in *any* family if surrounded by evil.
You mean like the Bush family?
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Oct 2006 04:26:42 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:37:56 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On 5-Oct-2006, "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
Incest isn't the gist of the story.
Then delete the incest reference from all future printings.
Just because you want to treat the Bible like regular literature
doesn't mean anyone else is necesasarily going to do so.
The incest is actually very important: it shows us what happens
in *any* family if surrounded by evil.
G-D is evil. Personified.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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04 Oct 2006 11:16:42 PM |
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--sexkitten-- wrote:
John D. Wentzky wrote:
"--sexkitten--" <jumpingbeanazNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Z6adnVkn0ZCD7rnYnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com...
Father Haskell wrote:
J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not
spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews
Jesus heard that.
and the Atheists,
He heard that, too. He's on our side now, you know.
both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught
to
our children.
Including the patently gory parts, like Judas Iscariot's suicide in
Acts 1:18? I'll throw SUCH a fit if that passage isn't included in
this enlightened plan for our youngsters' edification. Didn't that bit
of inspiration add a memorable flavor to the second Silence of the
Lambs installment? Kids are sleighted if they don't know where their
favorite snuff films came from.
I want them taught the part with Lot fucking his daughters and getting
them pregnant.
Why?
Because it's in the Bible. Why not?
Is that what your dad did to you?
No. You?
He speaks of it with familiarity.
AND, funny thing is Lot's daughters were who came up with the idea, and they
were NOT for ABORTING the babies inside them.
Who cares?
How soon you forget the rest of the story, huh?
The gist of the story is plenty. Incest breeding in the Bible. Nice.
Any folks in the babble with more than twenty digits?
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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04 Oct 2006 10:10:02 PM |
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--sexkitten-- wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews
Jesus heard that.
and the Atheists,
He heard that, too. He's on our side now, you know.
both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught to
our children.
Including the patently gory parts, like Judas Iscariot's suicide in
Acts 1:18? I'll throw SUCH a fit if that passage isn't included in
this enlightened plan for our youngsters' edification. Didn't that bit
of inspiration add a memorable flavor to the second Silence of the
Lambs installment? Kids are sleighted if they don't know where their
favorite snuff films came from.
I want them taught the part with Lot fucking his daughters and getting
them pregnant.
As lesson plan? Or as part of the annual xmas pageant?
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
04 Oct 2006 10:33:13 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
--sexkitten-- wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews
Jesus heard that.
and the Atheists,
He heard that, too. He's on our side now, you know.
both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught to
our children.
Including the patently gory parts, like Judas Iscariot's suicide in
Acts 1:18? I'll throw SUCH a fit if that passage isn't included in
this enlightened plan for our youngsters' edification. Didn't that bit
of inspiration add a memorable flavor to the second Silence of the
Lambs installment? Kids are sleighted if they don't know where their
favorite snuff films came from.
I want them taught the part with Lot fucking his daughters and getting
them pregnant.
As lesson plan? Or as part of the annual xmas pageant?
Lesson plan. We can do Amnon and Tamar for Christmas. Or David and
Bathsheba. Or Solomon and... anything female.
--
--sexkitten--
Sneechres and the art of projection- part 2
1130732777.897897.129520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Psychologists call it"leveling." You either have to inflate your own
sense of self-worth
somehow or try and bring others down to you.
1414fd53.0210041619.6a748430@posting.google.com
miserable fishreek skankwhore
1414fd53.0401182312.d795ffd@posting.google.com
fishreek skank *****
8505fb$b0u$1@nnrp1.deja.com (as asaurus)
Nice try, fishreek.
8822ia$v22$1@nnrp1.deja.com>#1/1 (as asaurus)
She's a fishreek hypocrite
894cmj$frh$1@nnrp1.deja.com (as asaurus)
fishreek ho
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
04 Oct 2006 11:11:07 PM |
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--sexkitten-- wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
--sexkitten-- wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews
Jesus heard that.
and the Atheists,
He heard that, too. He's on our side now, you know.
both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught to
our children.
Including the patently gory parts, like Judas Iscariot's suicide in
Acts 1:18? I'll throw SUCH a fit if that passage isn't included in
this enlightened plan for our youngsters' edification. Didn't that bit
of inspiration add a memorable flavor to the second Silence of the
Lambs installment? Kids are sleighted if they don't know where their
favorite snuff films came from.
I want them taught the part with Lot fucking his daughters and getting
them pregnant.
As lesson plan? Or as part of the annual xmas pageant?
Lesson plan. We can do Amnon and Tamar for Christmas. Or David and
Bathsheba. Or Solomon and... anything female.
Shove in a manger center stage front, and any bit of smut would
instantly become appropriate as an xmas play.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Oct 2006 06:13:49 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews and the Atheists, both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian.
===>How STUPID!
More than half of that Bible you want to force into the schools
happens to be JEWISH!
And the rest is trying to make Christianity look like it is the
legitimate continuation of the JEWISH scriptures!
It may have a place, though, in a class of Literature,
particularly one that concerns FICTION!
The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible
===>The "overwhelming majority" of WESTERN IGNORAMUSES do that.
For the BILLIONS in the rest of the world, it is just LITERATURE. -- L.
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| User: "Chellie" |
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04 Oct 2006 11:33:40 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The literary
qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so. America can not spend
her energies catering to the crying of the Jews and the Atheists, both of
whom have an aversion to anything Christian. The overwhelming majority of
people embrace the Bible and should have cause to expect it to be taught to
our children.
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Well, I know for one that there used to be prayer said every morning in
the classrooms. I believe it was the Lord's prayer. A woman fought this
by going to the Supreme court to have church and state separation. She
won. Not long after that, "things" started happening in schools. Now
people may say I am looking too much into stuff but when there was
prayer in school, things were calmer (at least the American schools and
yes I know about the schools in "ghetto" areas). We now have shooters
shooting up the schools because the shooters/students are fed up with
God or they are getting picked on. They said that if the shooters which
were students, knew about gun safety and whatnot that the shootings
wouldn't have happened. They blame the parents.
But to have Christianity only in American schools will cause much
problems because of all of the other religions in the US. But to be
honest, this country was founded on Christianity. Have anyone read the
Constitution lately? Also it does states "freedom of religion". So USA
was prepapring for the melting pot it's now is.
People say that you J Young is a hypocrite because you want
Christianity in schools. Everyone says keep church and state
separation. I say the biggest hypocrites are those who celebrate
Christmas. Christmas is suppose to be religious right? Yet most
businesses and whatnot are closed on December 25. My mother gets double
pay if she works on Christmas Day. I say if you REALLY want to keep
separation of church and state, work on Christmas Eve/Day. I have read
nowhere in the Bible where Jesus commanded us to celebrate His
birthday. Also nowhere in the Bible states the month/day/year he was
born (yes the Bible does states months, read Esther). In Jeremiah
10:1-9, says the worship is of heathen custom. It describes Christmas
but some say it's another celebration the people were doing and it
wasn't Christmas. Bible says to not add nor take away (Revelation
22:18). By saying Jesus was born on 12/25, is adding. In 325 A.D., the
Catholic pope Constantine incorporated that. It was originally the
worship of the Sun god but he didn't want the celebration to go away so
he said it was Jesus' birthday. Easter is another as well...
You don't have to believe me but I find it odd that people go to other
books about customs/traditions or rather the Bible when you "jam" them
too hard about the Bible. They say the Bible is written by men and has
been translated so many times, who knows what's right? If you truly
believe that then stop worshipping.
Striving to perfection in Jesus Christ,
Chellie
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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04 Oct 2006 01:33:01 PM |
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"Chellie" <TNotch1@aol.com> wrote in
news:1159979620.804211.232880@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
J Young wrote:
The Bible should be taught in every classroom in America. The
literary qualities alone are sufficient enough reason to do so.
America can not spend her energies catering to the crying of the Jews
and the Atheists, both of whom have an aversion to anything
Christian. The overwhelming majority of people embrace the Bible and
should have cause to expect it to be taught to our children.
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Well, I know for one that there used to be prayer said every morning
in the classrooms. I believe it was the Lord's prayer.
Not in all classrooms, not in every town, not in every state. A pryer
was never said in any school/classroom I attended from K on up - and
definitely not in college classroooms.
A woman fought
this by going to the Supreme court to have church and state
separation. She won.
She won because this nation since its inception has always believed in
the separation of church and state..... a very good separation.
Not long after that, "things" started happening
in schools. Now people may say I am looking too much into stuff
You are. There is no cause/effect relationship.
but
when there was prayer in school, things were calmer (at least the
American schools and yes I know about the schools in "ghetto" areas).
Not by a long shot - the difference was that things were taken off
school grounds as students got into too much trouble if they didn't.
Then parents began defending the misbehaviors of their kids; there went
the schools' authority of in loco parentis. Two peersonal examples: a
student was so high on drugs in my class he literally could not sit in a
seat. I called an assistant princiipal who called the parent and then
came to stay with me outside my classroom with the student until the
parent came. I had to stand next to a seat I had pulled into the hall
for the student and HOLD him in his seat. He had no idea who he was,
where he was, or anything else. Mom arrived and said he was "sleepy"
and for us not to call her again; just let him take a nap somewhere.
In another event, a freshman student of mine was in the parking lot
after classes and surrounded by a mob of students. I was prevented
temporarily by another student who grabbed my arms to keep me from
"interferring". When I pressed charges against the student who grabbed
me, my principal tried to dissuade me because it would "be bad press"
for the school. I retorted that my concern was for the next teacher who
tried to "interfer" if nothing was done to the one who grabbed me. It
progressed to court.
We now have shooters shooting up the schools because the
shooters/students are fed up with God
Nonsense.
or they are getting picked on.
This is true - much as others are "picked on" in newsgroups (by supposed
adults and pastors(!) no less). Some of the most vicious, cruel, verbal
attacks I have seen on people have occurred in the bible-quoting ngs.
They said that if the shooters which were students, knew about gun
safety and whatnot that the shootings wouldn't have happened. They
blame the parents.
I blame the parents also..... not the schools (I retired after being
stabbed in my own classroom by one of my students), not the teachers,
not the kids (up to a point).
But to have Christianity only in American schools will cause much
problems because of all of the other religions in the US. But to be
honest, this country was founded on Christianity. Have anyone read the
Constitution lately? Also it does states "freedom of religion". So USA
was prepapring for the melting pot it's now is.
It also separates church and state. Freedom of religion means one can
practice/believe in/nominally call one's self a member of any religion
one chooses. It does not mean that one religion (christianity or
whatever) can push its beliefs into the educational or political systems
- even if the christians could agree on which flavor they wanted to
push, which they can't.
People say that you J Young is a hypocrite because you want
Christianity in schools. Everyone says keep church and state
separation. I say the biggest hypocrites are those who celebrate
Christmas. Christmas is suppose to be religious right?
Personally I don't celebrate christmas in any way, shape, or form....
that doesn't mean I try to stop anyone who wants to do so.
Yet most
businesses and whatnot are closed on December 25.
Custom - not belief. People like (paid for the most part) vacations
from work....just as they take Veterans' Day, Presidents' Day, or any
other Day - and enjoy the day off rarely giving a thought to the reason
for the Day.
My mother gets
double pay if she works on Christmas Day. I say if you REALLY want to
keep separation of church and state, work on Christmas Eve/Day.
Not a problem.....
I have
read nowhere in the Bible where Jesus commanded us to celebrate His
birthday.
*snip* There are many things exspoused by pastors and christians that
are not in the bible.
You don't have to believe me but I find it odd that people go to other
books about customs/traditions or rather the Bible when you "jam" them
too hard about the Bible. They say the Bible is written by men and has
been translated so many times, who knows what's right? If you truly
believe that then stop worshipping.
I did.
Pangur - nonchristian theist
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| User: "Chellie" |
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05 Oct 2006 01:32:04 AM |
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Pangur Ban,
At least you are not hypocriting. I say either obey all God has
commanded or stop worship all together. I neither celebrate Christmas.
Well Easter, 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veteran's Day, Halloween....
Now I do celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, Mother's Day, Father's
Day, Thanksgiving and for the couples: Valentines Day.
Striving for perfection and holiness in Jesus Christ,
Chellie
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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05 Oct 2006 07:11:21 AM |
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"Chellie" <TNotch1@aol.com> wrote in
news:1160029924.175221.11470@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Pangur Ban,
At least you are not hypocriting. I say either obey all God has
commanded or stop worship all together. I neither celebrate Christmas.
Well Easter, 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veteran's Day, Halloween....
Now I do celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, Mother's Day, Father's
Day, Thanksgiving and for the couples: Valentines Day.
Hi, Chellie,
I am not a hypocrite; thanks for noticing. I don't celebrate the ones
you don't celebrate. I also don't celebrate birthdays, anniversaries,
Mother's Day, Father's Day, nor Valentine's Day as I have no family.
However, I celebrate every day that I am alive, that I live in a
beautiful area, that I have a job I love, that I have good friends, that
I have so many freedoms, and that I have animal companions in my home
who provide unconditional love, comedy, and sometimes worry.
Pangur - nonchristian theist
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bringing the Bible back to the classroom |
05 Oct 2006 10:02:01 AM |
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"Chellie" <TNotch1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1160029924.175221.11470@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pangur Ban,
At least you are not hypocriting.
"hypocriting"?
I say either obey all God has
commanded or stop worship all together. I neither celebrate Christmas.
Well Easter, 4th of July, Memorial Day, Veteran's Day, Halloween....
Now I do celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, Mother's Day, Father's
Day, Thanksgiving and for the couples: Valentines Day.
Are you a JW?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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