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User: "Jason Spaceman"
Date: 07 Dec 2006 01:53:18 AM
Object: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons
From the article:
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· Schools will be told not to use special pack
· Intelligent design group asks for meeting
James Randerson, science correspondent
Thursday December 7, 2006
The Guardian
The government is to write to schools telling them that controversial
teaching materials promoting creationism should not be used in science
lessons.
The packs include DVDs and written materials promoting intelligent
design, a creationist alternative to Darwinism, that were sent to
every school in the country by the privately-funded group Truth in
Science. Advocates of the theory argue that some features of the
universe and nature are so complex that they must have been designed
by a higher intelligence. Last week, the Guardian revealed that 59
schools had told Truth in Science the materials were a "useful
classroom resource".
The government has already stated that the Truth in Science materials
should not be used in science lessons. On November 1, the education
minister, Jim Knight, wrote: "Neither intelligent design nor
creationism are recognised scientific theories and they are not
included in the science curriculum. The Truth in Science information
pack is therefore not an appropriate resource to support the science
curriculum." The Department for Education said it was working with the
Qualifications and Curriculum Authority, the public body that oversees
the national curriculum, to communicate this message directly to
schools.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,,1965988,00.html
J. Spaceman
.

User: "Ilas"

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 03:08:57 AM
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:mqhfn21j4l7oa9fo37k7s35gtldiht704t@4ax.com:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
· Schools will be told not to use special pack
· Intelligent design group asks for meeting

James Randerson, science correspondent
Thursday December 7, 2006
The Guardian

The government is to write to schools telling them that controversial
teaching materials promoting creationism should not be used in science
lessons.

The packs include DVDs and written materials promoting intelligent
design, a creationist alternative to Darwinism, that were sent to
every school in the country by the privately-funded group Truth in
Science. Advocates of the theory argue that some features of the
universe and nature are so complex that they must have been designed
by a higher intelligence. Last week, the Guardian revealed that 59
schools had told Truth in Science the materials were a "useful
classroom resource".

The government has already stated that the Truth in Science materials
should not be used in science lessons. On November 1, the education
minister, Jim Knight, wrote: "Neither intelligent design nor
creationism are recognised scientific theories and they are not
included in the science curriculum. The Truth in Science information
pack is therefore not an appropriate resource to support the science
curriculum." The Department for Education said it was working with the
Qualifications and Curriculum Authority, the public body that oversees
the national curriculum, to communicate this message directly to
schools.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Read it at
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,,1965988,00.html

Good news, but why so long taking action? From the same article:
"Andy McIntosh, a professor of thermodynamics at the University of Leeds
and a member of the Truth in Science board, has written to request a
meeting with ministers to discuss the advice the department is planning
to send out to schools."
Andy McIntosh is probably British academia's most prominent creationist.
From a sysnopsis of his book "Genesis for today":
"Andy McIntosh is a scientist - a lecturer in Combustion Theory at Leeds
University, and a believer in the literal Genesis account of creation in
six days (and a young earth). In the opening chapters of this book, he
shows that creationism is both reasonable and persuasive, and the
attempts of modern scientists to suggest that 'the watch made itself' fly
in the face of the evidence.
McIntosh also laments the efforts of Christian scholars (including
evangelicals) to harmonise Genesis with evolution and dismiss the
historicity of the creation account. He examines the creation story and
shows it is to be read literally; other parts of Scripture clearly
understand it as such. Genealogies are also to be read literally, and
McIntosh suggests that none of this is contradicted by scientific
evidence. In three appendices the scientific data is summarised,
including the disciplines of astronomy (age of the stars), biochemistry,
and the fossil record.
Having devoted more than half the book to the historicity of Genesis, the
author then goes on to show the relevance of the Creation/Evolution
debate to today's society. McIntosh shows how Genesis and the creation
account provide the foundation of a proper understanding of marriage,
family life and Sabbath, which apply not only to the church but the whole
nation. There are also the first promises of the Gospel, and hope of the
Saviour. The author is therefore convinced that creation should be at the
heart of our Christian witness, and is unafraid to proclaim six-day
creation to non-Christians."
What gets me is that these liars and charlatans have the cheek to call
their front organisation "Truth in Science".
.
User: "Marc"

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 03:34:22 AM
Ilas wrote:


What gets me is that these liars and charlatans have the cheek to call
their front organisation "Truth in Science".

Perhaps they bought the rights from Alex Branning.
(signed) marc
..
.

User: "Ian Braidwood"

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 12:46:00 PM
Ilas wrote:

Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:mqhfn21j4l7oa9fo37k7s35gtldiht704t@4ax.com:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
· Schools will be told not to use special pack
· Intelligent design group asks for meeting

James Randerson, science correspondent
Thursday December 7, 2006
The Guardian

The government is to write to schools telling them that controversial
teaching materials promoting creationism should not be used in science
lessons.

The packs include DVDs and written materials promoting intelligent
design, a creationist alternative to Darwinism, that were sent to
every school in the country by the privately-funded group Truth in
Science. Advocates of the theory argue that some features of the
universe and nature are so complex that they must have been designed
by a higher intelligence. Last week, the Guardian revealed that 59
schools had told Truth in Science the materials were a "useful
classroom resource".

The government has already stated that the Truth in Science materials
should not be used in science lessons. On November 1, the education
minister, Jim Knight, wrote: "Neither intelligent design nor
creationism are recognised scientific theories and they are not
included in the science curriculum. The Truth in Science information
pack is therefore not an appropriate resource to support the science
curriculum." The Department for Education said it was working with the
Qualifications and Curriculum Authority, the public body that oversees
the national curriculum, to communicate this message directly to
schools.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------

Read it at
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,,1965988,00.html


Good news, but why so long taking action? From the same article:

"Andy McIntosh, a professor of thermodynamics at the University of Leeds
and a member of the Truth in Science board, has written to request a
meeting with ministers to discuss the advice the department is planning
to send out to schools."

Andy McIntosh is probably British academia's most prominent creationist.
From a sysnopsis of his book "Genesis for today":

"Andy McIntosh is a scientist - a lecturer in Combustion Theory at Leeds
University, and a believer in the literal Genesis account of creation in
six days (and a young earth). In the opening chapters of this book, he
shows that creationism is both reasonable and persuasive, and the
attempts of modern scientists to suggest that 'the watch made itself' fly
in the face of the evidence.

McIntosh also laments the efforts of Christian scholars (including
evangelicals) to harmonise Genesis with evolution and dismiss the
historicity of the creation account. He examines the creation story and
shows it is to be read literally; other parts of Scripture clearly
understand it as such. Genealogies are also to be read literally, and
McIntosh suggests that none of this is contradicted by scientific
evidence. In three appendices the scientific data is summarised,
including the disciplines of astronomy (age of the stars), biochemistry,
and the fossil record.

Having devoted more than half the book to the historicity of Genesis, the
author then goes on to show the relevance of the Creation/Evolution
debate to today's society. McIntosh shows how Genesis and the creation
account provide the foundation of a proper understanding of marriage,
family life and Sabbath, which apply not only to the church but the whole
nation. There are also the first promises of the Gospel, and hope of the
Saviour. The author is therefore convinced that creation should be at the
heart of our Christian witness, and is unafraid to proclaim six-day
creation to non-Christians."

What gets me is that these liars and charlatans have the cheek to call
their front organisation "Truth in Science".

Andy McIntosh is the guy I wrote to when he claimed in a Times article
that life started with the Cambrian explosion. When I pointed out that
we have fossil evidence for life from over 3000 million years ago, he
said the 2500 million year gap was a reasonable simplification for the
general public.
This man has no credibility.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 01:37:33 PM
On 7 Dec 2006 10:46:00 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:

Andy McIntosh is the guy I wrote to when he claimed in a Times article
that life started with the Cambrian explosion. When I pointed out that
we have fossil evidence for life from over 3000 million years ago, he
said the 2500 million year gap was a reasonable simplification for the
general public.

Calling him honest or intelligent are also reasonable simplifications
for the general public, but not as close as claiming that life began
at the Cambrian.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A myth is a fixed way of looking at the world which cannot be destroyed
because, looked at through the myth, all evidence supports the myth."
- Edward De Bono
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 11:36:41 AM
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:08:57 GMT, Ilas <nobody@this.address.com>
wrote:

What gets me is that these liars and charlatans have the cheek to call
their front organisation "Truth in Science".

That's no more a misnomer than "Creation Science" which isn't science
or "Intelligent Design" which isn't intelligent.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet
assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his
lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back." -
- Tolstoy as/on Jesus
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Britain: Ministers to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons 07 Dec 2006 12:39:19 PM
Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
· Schools will be told not to use special pack
· Intelligent design group asks for meeting

James Randerson, science correspondent
Thursday December 7, 2006
The Guardian

The government is to write to schools telling them that controversial
teaching materials promoting creationism should not be used in science
lessons.

Not the same thing as banning. I dont think the UK government has the
power under current legislation to tell schools what materials they
cannot use. They can make reccomendations, and suggestions, but not
banning.
.


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