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"stoney" |
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22 Dec 2005 04:25:31 PM |
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Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Using a network of cameras that can automatically read every passing
number plate, the plan is to build a huge database of vehicle
movements so that the police and security services can analyse any
journey a driver has made over several years.
The network will incorporate thousands of existing CCTV cameras which
are being converted to read number plates automatically night and day
to provide 24/7 coverage of all motorways and main roads, as well as
towns, cities, ports and petrol-station forecourts.
By next March a central database installed alongside the Police
National Computer in Hendon, north London, will store the details of
35 million number-plate "reads" per day. These will include time, date
and precise location, with camera sites monitored by global
positioning satellites.
Already there are plans to extend the database by increasing the
storage period to five years and by linking thousands of additional
cameras so that details of up to 100 million number plates can be fed
each day into the central databank.
Senior police officers have described the surveillance network as
possibly the biggest advance in the technology of crime detection and
prevention since the introduction of DNA fingerprinting.
But others concerned about civil liberties will be worried that the
movements of millions of law-abiding people will soon be routinely
recorded and kept on a central computer database for years.
The new national data centre of vehicle movements will form the basis
of a sophisticated surveillance tool that lies at the heart of an
operation designed to drive criminals off the road.
In the process, the data centre will provide unrivalled opportunities
to gather intelligence data on the movements and associations of
organised gangs and terrorist suspects whenever they use cars, vans or
motorcycles.
The scheme is being orchestrated by the Association of Chief Police
Officers (Acpo) and has the full backing of ministers who have
sanctioned the spending of £24m this year on equipment.
More than 50 local authorities have signed agreements to allow the
police to convert thousands of existing traffic cameras so they can
read number plates automatically. The data will then be transmitted to
Hendon via a secure police communications network.
Chief constables are also on the verge of brokering agreements with
the Highways Agency, supermarkets and petrol station owners to
incorporate their own CCTV cameras into the network. In addition to
cross-checking each number plate against stolen and suspect vehicles
held on the Police National Computer, the national data centre will
also check whether each vehicle is lawfully licensed, insured and has
a valid MoT test certificate.
"Every time you make a car journey already, you'll be on CCTV
somewhere. The difference is that, in future, the car's index plates
will be read as well," said Frank Whiteley, Chief Constable of
Hertfordshire and chairman of the Acpo steering committee on automatic
number plate recognition (ANPR).
"What the data centre should be able to tell you is where a vehicle
was in the past and where it is now, whether it was or wasn't at a
particular location, and the routes taken to and from those crime
scenes. Particularly important are associated vehicles," Mr Whiteley
said.
The term "associated vehicles" means analysing convoys of cars, vans
or trucks to see who is driving alongside a vehicle that is already
known to be of interest to the police. Criminals, for instance, will
drive somewhere in a lawful vehicle, steal a car and then drive back
in convoy to commit further crimes "You're not necessarily interested
in the stolen vehicle. You're interested in what's moving with the
stolen vehicle," Mr Whiteley explained.
According to a strategy document drawn up by Acpo, the national data
centre in Hendon will be at the heart of a surveillance operation that
should deny criminals the use of the roads.
"The intention is to create a comprehensive ANPR camera and reader
infrastructure across the country to stop displacement of crime from
area to area and to allow a comprehensive picture of vehicle movements
to be captured," the Acpo strategy says.
"This development forms the basis of a 24/7 vehicle movement database
that will revolutionise arrest, intelligence and crime investigation
opportunities on a national basis," it says.
Mr Whiteley said MI5 will also use the database. "Clearly there are
values for this in counter-terrorism," he said.
"The security services will use it for purposes that I frankly don't
have access to. It's part of public protection. If the security
services did not have access to this, we'd be negligent."
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
23 Dec 2005 01:19:11 AM |
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In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
23 Dec 2005 02:21:35 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
24 Dec 2005 02:17:05 AM |
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In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
25 Dec 2005 08:59:06 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
I'll be dead before that happens.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
25 Dec 2005 01:52:57 AM |
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In article <8tctq19v3go3153cfn6cahq2prhr53vgre@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
I'll be dead before that happens.
I hope so too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
25 Dec 2005 10:46:45 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
26 Dec 2005 12:07:41 AM |
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In article <ictuq1hgcnr62f17naoa77rva60ts33ov2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
26 Dec 2005 10:08:10 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:07:41 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ictuq1hgcnr62f17naoa77rva60ts33ov2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
27 Dec 2005 12:21:26 AM |
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In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:07:41 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ictuq1hgcnr62f17naoa77rva60ts33ov2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
27 Dec 2005 09:33:19 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:07:41 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ictuq1hgcnr62f17naoa77rva60ts33ov2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6893
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
27 Dec 2005 11:51:53 PM |
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In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:07:41 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <ictuq1hgcnr62f17naoa77rva60ts33ov2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:17:05 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <62noq1hcqo4bor8knpgna0a2ghh7jt6svu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:19:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <rs9mq1duisslbcqrak2sho4ubh7722aglr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=68
93
Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements
Posted on Thursday, December 22 @ 04:32:00 CST Space Commerce
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
28 Dec 2005 09:57:14 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
29 Dec 2005 12:34:01 AM |
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In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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29 Dec 2005 02:29:10 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the world to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
29 Dec 2005 11:52:35 PM |
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In article <2h77r1ppvfmi9hvdaojn0nm6okf5r0jvam@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the world
to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all
with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
30 Dec 2005 01:50:41 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <2h77r1ppvfmi9hvdaojn0nm6okf5r0jvam@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the world
to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all
with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
31 Dec 2005 01:39:32 AM |
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In article <4kp9r1926fjvh0kpsfb9mhmlg7t14rk1mb@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <2h77r1ppvfmi9hvdaojn0nm6okf5r0jvam@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the
world
to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new
national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least
two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all
with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
Nah. According to imdb Zardoz came out in 1974. I saw it on TV sometime
later.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
31 Dec 2005 01:54:29 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:39:32 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <4kp9r1926fjvh0kpsfb9mhmlg7t14rk1mb@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <2h77r1ppvfmi9hvdaojn0nm6okf5r0jvam@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the
world
to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new
national
surveillance system will hold the records for at least
two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us all
with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
Nah. According to imdb Zardoz came out in 1974. I saw it on TV sometime
later.
I was joking.
I knew it came out in 1749.
I don't do acid any more.
And you'll probably want to know that
the walls are melting again.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
01 Jan 2006 01:13:48 AM |
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In article <q4ecr1plgu68bikfr0m82napuijie7kc2r@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:39:32 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <4kp9r1926fjvh0kpsfb9mhmlg7t14rk1mb@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <2h77r1ppvfmi9hvdaojn0nm6okf5r0jvam@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <udd5r113p8r5bt2ljh6ce2q656c502iqpn@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:51:53 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <cln2r1hrpjk5475bih2a6f48f7maqp4u9t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:21:26 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <3a50r11al8oiu6qlabkguckun0f5cj0poj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Britain is about to become the first country in the
world
to
record
the movements of all vehicles on the roads. A new
national
surveillance system will hold the records for at
least
two
years.
Crap! Bush will see that and want to do it here too.
That's already in the works.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for them to implant us
all
with
microchips so they can follow every one of our moves.
Who wants Windows in their head?
Micro$oft.
You're safe then since it will be inoperative.
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying
head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
Nah. According to imdb Zardoz came out in 1974. I saw it on TV sometime
later.
I was joking.
I knew it came out in 1749.
I don't do acid any more.
And you'll probably want to know that
the walls are melting again.
Heh! The old flashbacks will getcha!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Jan 2006 12:27:58 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
[]
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots. Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
The 60's.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
01 Jan 2006 01:12:29 AM |
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In article <f3qfr1tif8059v90atqn10uuchfi3r9st5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
[]
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
The 60's.
The movie that I recall came out in 1974. I'm wondering, was there a
book?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
02 Jan 2006 09:00:19 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:12:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in
In article <f3qfr1tif8059v90atqn10uuchfi3r9st5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
[]
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
The 60's.
The movie that I recall came out in 1974. I'm wondering, was there a
book?
"Anyone who remembers the 60's wasn't there."
Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
03 Jan 2006 11:55:07 PM |
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In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:12:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in
In article <f3qfr1tif8059v90atqn10uuchfi3r9st5@4ax.com>,
stoney < > wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
[]
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering
idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying
head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
The 60's.
The movie that I recall came out in 1974. I'm wondering, was there a
book?
"Anyone who remembers the 60's wasn't there."
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Britain to Monitor All Vehicle Movements |
04 Jan 2006 11:05:12 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:55:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:12:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in
In article <f3qfr1tif8059v90atqn10uuchfi3r9st5@4ax.com>,
stoney < > wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:20:41 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:52:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
[]
Or worse FUBAR our minds so bad that we become gibbering
idiots.
Then
we'll all be known as Christian Conservative Republicons.
Hadn't considered that aspect. [shudder]
Sorry I posted that. It is too horrible to contemplate.
/cue Zardoz
Damn! That was one weird movie. I can't get over that giant flying
head.
Apperently it was an "allegory".
(About disturbing flying heads, it seems)
Giant flying stone(d) heads.
They do say, I think, that anyone who remembers Zardoz, wasn't there.
Or was that the 30's?
I forget.
The 60's.
The movie that I recall came out in 1974. I'm wondering, was there a
book?
"Anyone who remembers the 60's wasn't there."
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/20051231/cm_ucrr/bigbrotherisrealthistime;_ylt=Ajl2hxxsGR6thHvscoe9ttX9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA
BIG BROTHER IS REAL THIS TIME
By Richard Reeves
Fri Dec 30, 8:13 PM ET
LONDON -- In democratic countries, what war leads to is not peace but
radical reform at home. That is one conclusion of "Postwar: A History of
Europe Since 1945" by Tony Judt, one of the most important books of this
troubled year.
"World War I had precipitated legislation and social provisions in its
wake -- if only to deal with the widows, orphans, invalids and
unemployed of the immediate postwar years," he writes. "The Second World
War transformed both the role of the modern state and the expectations
placed upon it ...
"The post-1945 European welfare states varied considerably in the
resources they provided and the way they financed them. But certain
general points can be made. The provision of social services chiefly
concerned education, housing and medical care, as well as urban
recreation areas, subsidized public transport, publicly financed art and
culture and other indirect benefits of the interventionary state. Social
security consisted chiefly of the state provision of insurance --
against illness, unemployment, accident and the perils of old age."
So, the great wars created the beginnings and the culmination of modern
welfare states, growing from aid to individuals, the alone, the broken
and the traumatized, to systems available to all citizens.
What will the war on terrorism produce at home?
The answer to that question seems to be unfolding in Judt's home
country, Great Britain, and in the United States, where he teaches at
New York University: The great English-speaking democracies are almost
inevitably remaking themselves as police states. Changing or ignoring
the laws of liberty and instituting more and more invasive technological
monitoring of citizens are the new passions of the interventionary state
-- all in the name of spreading freedom.
While the U.S. government, supported by majorities in national polls, is
ignoring laws on oversight of homeland spying, the British are
developing systems to literally follow, photographically, every citizen
on his or her daily rounds. Big Brother, the fictional invention of a
British writer, George Orwell, will be real and functional within a
year. The first step, scheduled to be operational next March, will use
thousands of cameras linked to government databases to photograph every
vehicle entering or leaving London, driving on major highways or
stopping for gasoline -- and checking those movements against driver's
licenses and other government information over two- and five-year
periods.
"The new national surveillance network for tracking car journeys," said
Steve Conner, science editor of The Independent, "... is already working
on ways of automatically recognizing human faces by computer ... every
move recorded and stored by machines." Police also project a need for
more complicated surveillance systems, schemes aided by hidden computer
chips in new cars and trucks.
The system, originally planned as a crime-prevention and detection
system, has been in development for 25 years. In Britain, as well as in
the United States, police quickly realized that such innovations as
automatic cash machines and EZ-pass readers provided a rough map of many
people's lives -- and led to thousands upon thousands of criminal
arrests. But there is no doubt that terrorism incidents and threats will
speed development and make what were once considered unacceptable
invasions of privacy more acceptable to the British -- and, one day, to
Americans as well.
"Terrorism" is mentioned in every conversation and report about such
innovations, but fear is less critical to such systems than are advances
in technology that simply make it simpler to track humans, as if
computer chips were also secretly hidden in our own bodies. On hearing
of the British plans, I thought that it was a spectacular update to what
they did in the bad old days in Moscow: Police stood on little bridges
over roadways in and out of the city to record the comings and goings of
citizens and foreigners alike. Now they won't even have to wear coats in
the cold weather. Technological policing is cheaper, too, and machines
don't get pensions.
In interviews, the British police are not particularly secretive about
their plans, and digital eyes will certainly make them more effective.
But, no matter how well intentioned, this stuff is scary as hell. To
quote an American who once lived in London, Benjamin Franklin: "They
that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
© 2006 Yahoo! Inc
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:55:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
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05 Jan 2006 12:01:00 AM |
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In article <l20or152dqcurm45m1sol2kgmnrgpuah3s@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:55:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Ironic isn't it? Bush talks about building democracy in Iraq while doing
his best to destroy it at home.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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05 Jan 2006 12:18:59 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:01:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <l20or152dqcurm45m1sol2kgmnrgpuah3s@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:55:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Ironic isn't it? Bush talks about building democracy in Iraq while doing
his best to destroy it at home.
Bush drools, he's never learned to speak.
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06 Jan 2006 12:27:38 AM |
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In article <0ooqr1h11k189sc3j8vmds2f4utgh692fl@4ax.com>,
stoney <> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:01:00 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <l20or152dqcurm45m1sol2kgmnrgpuah3s@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:55:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <f5qjr1hqjj4j00bh53ci4firtr7n0qkmuc@4ax.com>,
wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Ironic isn't it? Bush talks about building democracy in Iraq while doing
his best to destroy it at home.
Bush drools, he's never learned to speak.
He does make a few unintelligible souds every now and then.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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06 Jan 2006 01:26:41 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:27:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <0ooqr1h11k189sc3j8vmds2f4utgh692fl@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Ironic isn't it? Bush talks about building democracy in Iraq while doing
his best to destroy it at home.
Bush drools, he's never learned to speak.
He does make a few unintelligible souds every now and then.
Brownian motion.
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07 Jan 2006 12:27:09 AM |
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In article <r2htr195j2rp1heqnl9uk7kfi56l9i983o@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:27:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <0ooqr1h11k189sc3j8vmds2f4utgh692fl@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Here's an interesting one I found today concerning the subject of this
thread:
Several years ago I mentioned it was ironic the US was moving towards a
police state while the former USSR was moving towards a democratic one.
http://tinyurl.com/czw5x
Ironic isn't it? Bush talks about building democracy in Iraq while doing
his best to destroy it at home.
Bush drools, he's never learned to speak.
He does make a few unintelligible souds every now and then.
Brownian motion.
I was thinking more the redistribution and venting of bodily fluids and
gases.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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