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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Kelo Disaster"
Date: 05 Sep 2005 09:35:12 AM
Object: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians
It seems Mr. Brokaw is picking-up where Mr. Jennings died off.
In my opinion, this seals the deal, in granite, of the lefts now rooted
ideology of hate against Christians. Tom Brokaw, on behalf of the Democratic
Party (no doubt) moves to demonize American Christians.
(From the article.)
"But he also explores why so many Americans are turning to this expression
of faith, and whether some evangelicals are going too far: imposing on
others their spiritual beliefs not only for personal reasons but also for
political reasons."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/09/04/entertainment/e093109D44.DTL
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians 06 Sep 2005 08:48:04 AM
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:20:23 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <KI2Te.6177$Ix4.6100@okepread03> wrote:


"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:51:28 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <7x0Te.5995$Ix4.2404@okepread03> wrote:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z5ydnRixI57ODoHeRVn-rQ@megapath.net...

In episode <kh0Te.5991$Ix4.2010@okepread03>, Kelo Disaster burst into

the

room and exclaimed:

"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote

in

message news:ne2ph1lktte1shj8fpe3mj44723214e12l@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <9NYSe.5953$Ix4.1398@okepread03> wrote:

It seems Mr. Brokaw is picking-up where Mr. Jennings died off.

In my opinion, this seals the deal, in granite, of the lefts now

rooted

ideology of hate against Christians. Tom Brokaw, on behalf of the

Democratic

Party (no doubt) moves to demonize American Christians.




(From the article.)

"But he also explores why so many Americans are turning to this

expression

of faith, and whether some evangelicals are going too far: imposing

on

others their spiritual beliefs not only for personal reasons but

also

for political reasons."





http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/09/04/entertainm

e

n

t/e093109D44.DTL


Where is the demonization? Where is the comment about "American
Christians"? I see him asking a question about "some evangelists"?

Of

course, if you are one of those who think that only some evangelists

are

Christians and that everyone else is non-Christian then you might

think

his comment refers to all American Christians.


What part of..."imposing on others their spiritual beliefs not only

for

personal reasons but also for political reasons." do you not

understand?

If you don't understand the implications in that statement, I would

point

you towards any reliable references that deal with the NAZI

propaganda

efforts prior to and during WWII.


So you deny there are *any evangelicals with the political agenda of
imposing their beliefs on others? Not even one?


Where did I say that?


The man said *some. Get it?


So, let me see if I got this right, are you saying that only those with
"approved" religious beliefs can compete in American politics? While

others

can't?

How is demonizing them to say they are acting for political reasons?
How is saying they are acting for political reasons denying them the
right to compete?


I get it! You think Brokaw, with that big ol heart of his, is doing this
program because he thinks it's cool and wants to get them free exposure to
advance their political cause.

His motive is not really the issue. If he is a minon of Satan himself
it does not particularly matter if the content of his speech is not
demonizing. Again, how is what he did demonizing anyone, how is it
denying anyone a right to engage in the political process, and how was
it about all American Christians?

Or.

He want to make them look bad and stir up a lot of trouble for them. AKA
demoinizing.

Guess we'll find out when the show airs.

Meanwhile, look up the term "false dichotomy" and "strawman". And
consider the notion of attacking a person before you have actually
watched the show. If you are ignorant and still make claims that sure
seems like bearing false witness.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
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"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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http://www.savedarfur.org/
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians 05 Sep 2005 03:35:31 PM
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:34:14 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <kh0Te.5991$Ix4.2010@okepread03> wrote:


"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ne2ph1lktte1shj8fpe3mj44723214e12l@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <9NYSe.5953$Ix4.1398@okepread03> wrote:

It seems Mr. Brokaw is picking-up where Mr. Jennings died off.

In my opinion, this seals the deal, in granite, of the lefts now rooted
ideology of hate against Christians. Tom Brokaw, on behalf of the

Democratic

Party (no doubt) moves to demonize American Christians.




(From the article.)

"But he also explores why so many Americans are turning to this

expression

of faith, and whether some evangelicals are going too far: imposing on
others their spiritual beliefs not only for personal reasons but also for
political reasons."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/09/04/entertainmen

t/e093109D44.DTL


Where is the demonization? Where is the comment about "American
Christians"? I see him asking a question about "some evangelists"? Of
course, if you are one of those who think that only some evangelists
are Christians and that everyone else is non-Christian then you might
think his comment refers to all American Christians.


What part of..."imposing on others their spiritual beliefs not only for
personal reasons but also for political reasons." do you not understand?

I understand it. It is a speculation about a constrained group of
people. You seem to think that it is horrible to speculate that this
group could do anything wrong. So lets try one example. Do you think
that Pat Robertson defended brutal dictators in West Africa because of
their Christian actions or for some other reason?

If
you don't understand the implications in that statement, I would point you
towards any reliable references that deal with the NAZI propaganda efforts
prior to and during WWII.

Please do. How is speculating about some group of evangelicals might
be doing something the same as saying that all of a group are
sub-human. Please show us the connection.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
.
User: "Kelo Disaster"

Title: Re: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians 05 Sep 2005 04:12:17 PM
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:sraph1t23vmv9s3o0flg79kb7o35am3d0e@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:34:14 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <kh0Te.5991$Ix4.2010@okepread03> wrote:


"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ne2ph1lktte1shj8fpe3mj44723214e12l@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:35:12 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Kelo Disaster"
<living@ussa.com> in <9NYSe.5953$Ix4.1398@okepread03> wrote:

It seems Mr. Brokaw is picking-up where Mr. Jennings died off.

In my opinion, this seals the deal, in granite, of the lefts now

rooted

ideology of hate against Christians. Tom Brokaw, on behalf of the

Democratic

Party (no doubt) moves to demonize American Christians.




(From the article.)

"But he also explores why so many Americans are turning to this

expression

of faith, and whether some evangelicals are going too far: imposing on
others their spiritual beliefs not only for personal reasons but also

for

political reasons."




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/09/04/entertainme

n

t/e093109D44.DTL


Where is the demonization? Where is the comment about "American
Christians"? I see him asking a question about "some evangelists"? Of
course, if you are one of those who think that only some evangelists
are Christians and that everyone else is non-Christian then you might
think his comment refers to all American Christians.


What part of..."imposing on others their spiritual beliefs not only for
personal reasons but also for political reasons." do you not understand?


I understand it. It is a speculation about a constrained group of
people. You seem to think that it is horrible to speculate that this
group could do anything wrong.

I don't have any idea what you're talking about. I didn't say any of those
things, "you seem to think" I said.
So lets try one example. Do you think

that Pat Robertson defended brutal dictators in West Africa because of
their Christian actions or for some other reason?

I stated that Tom Brokaw is demonizing Christians for the benefit of the
Democratic party.
What you think about Pat Robertson is your problem.

If
you don't understand the implications in that statement, I would point

you

towards any reliable references that deal with the NAZI propaganda

efforts

prior to and during WWII.


Please do. How is speculating about some group of evangelicals might
be doing something the same as saying that all of a group are
sub-human. Please show us the connection.

Alta-Vista, and puleeeze!, don't be so simplistic about the NAZI propaganda
machine concerning its methods, tactics and desired outcomes as to say, so
what, they called the Jews sub-human. (Didn't you like the way I just put
words in your mouth the way you tried to put them in mine?) It's a lot more
sophisticated than that and Brokaw is a part of the overall theme that is
now hyperactive in the MSM.


--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org

Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/

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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians 05 Sep 2005 06:09:05 PM
In episode <9B2Te.6160$Ix4.1451@okepread03>, Kelo Disaster burst into the
room and exclaimed:

Alta-Vista, and puleeeze!, don't be so simplistic about the NAZI

Shades of Godwin!
By the way, you're an idiot.
<plonk>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Brokaw to Demonize American Christians 10 Sep 2005 10:48:02 AM
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:09:05 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In episode <9B2Te.6160$Ix4.1451@okepread03>, Kelo Disaster burst into the
room and exclaimed:

Alta-Vista, and puleeeze!, don't be so simplistic about the NAZI


Shades of Godwin!

By the way, you're an idiot.

<plonk>

It's not that advanced.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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