Religions > Atheism > BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook)
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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18 May 2006 11:42:49 AM |
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BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
Buck wrote:
And you explain the BSA religious activity awards to Baha'is, Buddhists,
Hindus, Muslims, Jews, followers of Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians how?
In fact, there are religious emblems for Baha'is, Buddhists, Hindus,
Muslims, Jews, Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians that are authorized for
wear on the BSA uniform; see:
http://www.scouting.org/awards/religious/awards/index.html
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
19 May 2006 02:07:47 AM |
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On 18 May 2006 09:42:49 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Buck wrote:
And you explain the BSA religious activity awards to Baha'is, Buddhists,
Hindus, Muslims, Jews, followers of Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians how?
In fact, there are religious emblems for Baha'is, Buddhists, Hindus,
Muslims, Jews, Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians that are authorized for
wear on the BSA uniform; see:
http://www.scouting.org/awards/religious/awards/index.html
What about for atheists?
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
19 May 2006 04:30:40 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 09:37:15 AM |
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> writes:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Fred, would this be anything like the special treatment you whined
about losing when public schools had to stop chartering cub
scout packs, including yours?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 10:49:07 AM |
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On Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:15 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> writes:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Fred, would this be anything like the special treatment you whined
about losing when public schools had to stop chartering cub
scout packs, including yours?
Is the Pope Catholic? Are Christians hypocrites?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 06:03:15 PM |
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On Mon, 22 May 2006 08:49:07 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ran372h9tgouvtgj9k0uj8as8vstnaumn7@4ax.com>
On Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:15 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> writes:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Fred, would this be anything like the special treatment you whined
about losing when public schools had to stop chartering cub
scout packs, including yours?
Is the Pope Catholic? Are Christians hypocrites?
Is Stan a bigot?
Are Priests Paedophiles?
Do Chickens have lips?
Does a bear ***** in the Vatican?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
19 May 2006 07:31:38 PM |
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On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
Except that it is not a religious position, and they can not swear a
duty to a non-existent object, and as such are discriminated against.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
Provided they lie about their duty to your non-existent gods.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Quite the reverse.
We are asking that their current "special treatment" be dropped.
Just as the "special treatment" for blacks was rightly dropped.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
19 May 2006 04:48:21 PM |
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On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
If the atheist boy has any integrity he can't sign that.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Obviously not. They just don't want theism to be an excuse for
discrimination.
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
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| User: "Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 06:03:33 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 06:54:58 PM |
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On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
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| User: "Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 08:00:30 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
How is that any less hypocritical than atheists who say the Oath and
Law without subscribing to them?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 09:00:48 PM |
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> writes:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
Fred, are you suggesting that Blattman Elementary, the public school
that used to charter your Pack 2003, and which you acknowledged you
personally would not allow atheists as members, should ignore the
constitution and violate the civil rights of their own atheist
students?
How is that any less hypocritical than atheists who say the Oath and
Law without subscribing to them?
Look in a mirror sometime.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
23 May 2006 10:06:06 AM |
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346030.539994.265950@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
Some do - A co-worker's son is an atheist and he was able to leave the god
stuff out of the oath.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
23 May 2006 11:19:57 AM |
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Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
Is anyone injured if the religious bits are left out?
How is that any less hypocritical than atheists who say the Oath and
Law without subscribing to them?
The atheists are required to lie if they want to join. Are you
suggesting atheists should be banned from scouting on the basis of
their lack of religious beliefs?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
24 May 2006 09:55:28 AM |
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On 23 May 2006 09:19:57 -0700, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
Is anyone injured if the religious bits are left out?
The fearful cretins would cry.
How is that any less hypocritical than atheists who say the Oath and
Law without subscribing to them?
The atheists are required to lie if they want to join.
Lying is also a violation of the Oath and Law which doesn't bother
the Bull Shitters of Amerikkka.
Are you
suggesting atheists should be banned from scouting on the basis of
their lack of religious beliefs?
He's rejoycing in the bigotry.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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23 May 2006 01:15:03 AM |
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On 22 May 2006 18:00:30 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 22 May 2006 16:03:33 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Duty to God" and being "reverent" have been in the BSA Scout Oath and
Law from the beginning. The DRP has also been part of BSA from its
beginnings.
Those phrases are nothing new.
But HQ turned a blind eye to troops that didn't enforce it - until the
religious extremists took over.
Are you suggesting that individual troops or sponsors should ignore the
Scout Oath and Law?
Do you have difficulty reading for comprehension?
Do you understand what THEY USED TO DO THAT means?
How is that any less hypocritical than atheists who say the Oath and
Law without subscribing to them?
Look up "straw man".
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 May 2006 04:35:16 PM |
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On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:48:21 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
If the atheist boy has any integrity he can't sign that.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Obviously not. They just don't want theism to be an excuse for
discrimination.
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
The usual theist hypocrisy and lack of morals and ethics.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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20 May 2006 06:47:52 PM |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 14:35:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:48:21 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
If the atheist boy has any integrity he can't sign that.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Obviously not. They just don't want theism to be an excuse for
discrimination.
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
The usual theist hypocrisy and lack of morals and ethics.
Driven by greed for:
Power
Money
Fresh Souls for their imaginary genocidal sky-rapist.
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 May 2006 04:21:03 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:17:52 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 20 May 2006 14:35:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <8r2v62p2teg0shhkuo54bd8t7tt6d7c301@4ax.com>
On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:48:21 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On 19 May 2006 14:30:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
What about for atheists?
What about atheists?
Any one willing to sign to the DRP, to do their "duty to God" and to be
"reverent" is welcome to come aboard. They can form their own
association of Scouters, create their own religious award and petition
the BSA for permission to wear it on the uniform.
And that's the problem. Formery the BSA wasn't particuarly religious.
Now it is. Since religious extremists got into power.
If the atheist boy has any integrity he can't sign that.
In other words, they have a right to be treated just like every other
member of BSA.
But just to be clear: you're not asking for special treatment for
atheists, are you?
Obviously not. They just don't want theism to be an excuse for
discrimination.
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
The usual theist hypocrisy and lack of morals and ethics.
Driven by greed for:
Power
Money
Fresh Souls for their imaginary genocidal sky-rapist.
And those are its good points.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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24 May 2006 08:21:37 AM |
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On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:48:21 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
It really is insane that religion-based, discriminitory organizations
like the Boy Scouts continue to ask for and receive government
handouts.
--
Mental Anarchy - Free Your Mind
http://mentalanarchy.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 May 2006 08:32:27 AM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 06:21:37 -0700, Antonio Forza
<antonioforza@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:48:21 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
It's the BSA asking for special treatment - to be allowed to
discriminate _and_ at the same time get government support.
It really is insane that religion-based, discriminitory organizations
like the Boy Scouts continue to ask for and receive government
handouts.
The religious bit was minor compared to the rest of scouting. Just the
religion badge. They gave badges for almost anything a kid could do.
Even the God bit of the promise was often ignored locally while the HQ
turned a blind eye.
Until religious extremists took over the organisation.
It only became a problem when the BSA wanted public school sponsored
troops to enforce the God bit, and it became realised just how much
use of public facilities the scouts were getting.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
19 May 2006 04:50:45 PM |
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On 18 May 2006 09:42:49 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Buck wrote:
And you explain the BSA religious activity awards to Baha'is, Buddhists,
Hindus, Muslims, Jews, followers of Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians how?
In fact, there are religious emblems for Baha'is, Buddhists, Hindus,
Muslims, Jews, Meher Baba, and Zoroastrians that are authorized for
wear on the BSA uniform; see:
http://www.scouting.org/awards/religious/awards/index.html
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
They even had their troop sponsorship cancelled by the BSA over that.
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| User: "Fred Goodwin, CMA" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 08:03:39 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
In any event, BSA never said UUA couldn't have its own medal using
whatever program they wished. But BSA has a right to determine what
can be worn on its uniform.
They even had their troop sponsorship cancelled by the BSA over that.
I'm not aware of any such cancellations, but you have such info, please
share.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 May 2006 10:07:14 AM |
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
23 May 2006 10:43:33 AM |
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
23 May 2006 11:51:13 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
It's mind-boggling how these people just don't get it. This isn't rocket
science :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
24 May 2006 09:56:36 AM |
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:h7b6729bgvdar1pgjmv61hgql9emp4dhtn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
It's mind-boggling how these people just don't get it. This isn't rocket
science :P
They're theists. Q.E.D..
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
24 May 2006 12:51:00 AM |
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4dgsmrF1ag053U1@individual.net>
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:h7b6729bgvdar1pgjmv61hgql9emp4dhtn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
It's mind-boggling how these people just don't get it. This isn't rocket
science :P
Is that what's happening to NASA?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
24 May 2006 07:51:18 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4dgsmrF1ag053U1@individual.net>
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:h7b6729bgvdar1pgjmv61hgql9emp4dhtn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it
does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
It's mind-boggling how these people just don't get it. This isn't rocket
science :P
Is that what's happening to NASA?
Um, I have NO idea ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
24 May 2006 09:56:58 AM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:21:00 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4dgsmrF1ag053U1@individual.net>
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:h7b6729bgvdar1pgjmv61hgql9emp4dhtn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 May 2006 11:07:14 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148346219.281709.83010@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if they discriminate, then they don't get government funding.
He doesn't seem to grasp that once upon a time, HQ turned a blind eye
to local organisations not enforcing the god-stuff. This has got
increasingly less common since the religious extremists took over.
It's mind-boggling how these people just don't get it. This isn't rocket
science :P
Is that what's happening to NASA?
Yes.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Nick J." |
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| Title: Re: BSA religion policy (re: Boy Scouts of America Selects Campfire Cafe Cookbook) |
22 May 2006 09:11:17 PM |
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Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But ot the Unitarians. Even though that is a religion, because it does
not make its followers ackowedge somebody ese's deity.
That's the nub of the problem: *acknowledge* *somebody* *else's*
*deity*.
BSA doesn't force anyone to acknowledge anything. If you don't agree
with them, don't join.
And if the BSA does not allow atheists to join, then the government
can't support them. Period.
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