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"Budikka" |
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31 Jan 2004 02:46:01 PM |
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Buddhist sexism |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
Budikka
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
31 Jan 2004 08:31:52 PM |
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(Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
31 Jan 2004 10:19:10 PM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com...
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
Unitarian-Universalism.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
03 Feb 2004 10:01:38 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com...
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
Unitarian-Universalism.
Ah-ha. I had forgotten about those guys. So that's one.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
02 Feb 2004 05:43:13 PM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com...
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
And in Pure Land Buddhism, anyone reborn into the Pure Land (kind of like a
heaven) is reborn as a male. Doesn't sound like much of a heaven to me!
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Peacenik
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
01 Feb 2004 06:02:20 AM |
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And it came to pass that (L. Raymond) did write
in alt.atheism, news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com:
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
$cientology?
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
04 Feb 2004 12:06:45 PM |
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Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
And it came to pass that (L. Raymond) did write
in alt.atheism, news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com:
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
$cientology?
Well, that's a completely coined cult, and I don't think it counts.
I was wondering about religions that actually grew up in the wild, as
it were.
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
06 Feb 2004 07:30:06 PM |
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And it came to pass that (L. Raymond) did
write in alt.atheism, news:402134a7.2483313@news.mylinuxisp.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
And it came to pass that (L. Raymond) did
write in alt.atheism, news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com:
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as
a female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must
pass through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which
treat women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a
greater or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion
which doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
$cientology?
Well, that's a completely coined cult, and I don't think it counts.
I was wondering about religions that actually grew up in the wild, as
it were.
Aha. "Real" religions. Can't think of any that are gender neutral...
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
31 Jan 2004 08:50:41 PM |
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L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com...
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
I don't recall that being a teaching of any branch of Buddhism. My
understanding of the situation is that the Buddha was initially reluctant
to teach women for fear they would cause sexual jealousy and tension among
his male followers, but finally relented and allowed them to be nuns.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
Baha'i, maybe?
http://www.bahai.org/article-1-7-0-6.html
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
02 Feb 2004 09:10:59 AM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
L. Raymond <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:401c63a4.500894@news.mylinuxisp.com...
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
I don't recall that being a teaching of any branch of Buddhism. My
understanding of the situation is that the Buddha was initially reluctant
to teach women for fear they would cause sexual jealousy and tension among
his male followers, but finally relented and allowed them to be nuns.
Theravada is pretty sexist.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Buddhist sexism |
03 Feb 2004 08:49:10 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 02:31:52 GMT in alt.atheism
badaddress@mylinuxisp.com (L. Raymond) wrote:
budikka1@netscape.net (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3431217.stm reveals that even
Buddhism can have its sexist branches.
As practised, Buddhism is inherently sexist because it holds that
perfection can only be achieved by a male. Any being incarnated as a
female is on Earth only here to learn new karmic lessons and must pass
through a male existence before reaching Nirvana.
Which brings up a curious point. I know of many religions which treat
women like garbage, and many that treat women as superior to a greater
or lesser degree than men, but I can't think of one religion which
doesn't care one whit about gender. Is there one?
I am curious as to how widespread such beliefs are. As far as I
know, none of the Buddhists I have met believe anything like
that. Of course, westerners taking up eastern religions often
ignore much of the superstition that has accumulated around them.
It is often claimed that Gautama did not want to have any woman
disciples - but some strong minded women persuaded him to change
his mind.
-
Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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