Religions > Atheism > Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries
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"Modemac" |
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04 Dec 2005 09:20:27 AM |
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Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13314317.htm
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| User: "polar bear" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
04 Dec 2005 05:03:28 PM |
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In article <s926p19m7rj2gnd5jqofj636ippv0h5f5p@4ax.com>,
Modemac <modemac@modemac.com> wrote:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13314317.htm
I guess that mean they can't hold AA meetings there either.
Or has AA dropped the "higher power" hugga mugga?
pb
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| User: "nu-monet v8.0" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
04 Dec 2005 09:47:10 AM |
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Modemac wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/7jdom
This is pretty damn silly. Getting excited about
somebody using a room at a public library. I am
hard pressed to extrapolate how this in any way
is the state endorsing religion.
Theoretically, I suppose they could ban Star Wars
fans because many of them belong to the Jedi faith,
at least in England. There might be some hidden
Jedis a prozelytizin'-away if they were allowed to
use that there room. Don't even mention furries.
If the room has a door, it is downright stupid. An
effort to supress free speech.
Who the hell gets so neurotic that they get goosebumps
at the though of a small concentration of people they
don't like all clustered together in a room speaking
to each other?
Personally, I feel the same way about communists and
neo-Nazis. I would have no objection that their
religions are to be despised, either. However, if they
reserve a room at a public library, keep their voices
down and the door shut, have no weapons, and plot no
violent conspiracies, I figure it's between them and
the FBI informants who have infiltrated them.
Seriously, what atheist should be afraid that "They'll
get Christianity all over the walls, carpets and books,
and the public will get stuck with the bill to have to
clean it all off!!!"?
Somebody who is that paranoid, the least of their
problem is what other people do.
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| User: "Pontifex SODDI" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
04 Dec 2005 04:22:24 PM |
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"nu-monet v8.0" <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote in message
news:43930F7E.6390@succeeds.com...
Modemac wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/7jdom
This is pretty damn silly. Getting excited about
somebody using a room at a public library. I am
hard pressed to extrapolate how this in any way
is the state endorsing religion.
Theoretically, I suppose they could ban Star Wars
fans because many of them belong to the Jedi faith,
at least in England. There might be some hidden
Jedis a prozelytizin'-away if they were allowed to
use that there room. Don't even mention furries.
If the room has a door, it is downright stupid. An
effort to supress free speech.
Who the hell gets so neurotic that they get goosebumps
at the though of a small concentration of people they
don't like all clustered together in a room speaking
to each other?
Personally, I feel the same way about communists and
neo-Nazis. I would have no objection that their
religions are to be despised, either. However, if they
reserve a room at a public library, keep their voices
down and the door shut, have no weapons, and plot no
violent conspiracies, I figure it's between them and
the FBI informants who have infiltrated them.
Seriously, what atheist should be afraid that "They'll
get Christianity all over the walls, carpets and books,
and the public will get stuck with the bill to have to
clean it all off!!!"?
Somebody who is that paranoid, the least of their
problem is what other people do.
Hey, as long as they allow the same access to Satanists, it's OK with me.
Ask Georgie if he would mind debbil-worshippers.
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
04 Dec 2005 05:27:02 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:22:24 -0500, "Pontifex SODDI" <satan@satan.net>
wrote:
Hey, as long as they allow the same access to Satanists, it's OK with me.
Ask Georgie if he would mind debbil-worshippers.
Yeah I am all in favor of it if it means that we can stand on the
table in the library, playing drums, killing chickens and dancing
naked. Unless it is another "Christians-only" thing.
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Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
(spikes ball and does The Happy Dance)
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| User: "Nightshade" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
05 Dec 2005 02:37:53 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:10 -0700, "nu-monet v8.0"
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:
This is pretty damn silly. Getting excited about
somebody using a room at a public library. I am
hard pressed to extrapolate how this in any way
is the state endorsing religion.
The library is state funded. To allow a religious group to use it,
without charge, is the same as the state funding the spread of a
religion.
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| User: "polar bear" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
06 Dec 2005 12:24:36 PM |
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In article <qsu7p1leshd6h8krs1ih37tonliclfsbvk@4ax.com>,
Nightshade <nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:10 -0700, "nu-monet v8.0"
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:
This is pretty damn silly. Getting excited about
somebody using a room at a public library. I am
hard pressed to extrapolate how this in any way
is the state endorsing religion.
The library is state funded. To allow a religious group to use it,
without charge, is the same as the state funding the spread of a
religion.
Yeah... and the highways are state funded too! We taxpayers are
subsidizing people driving to church on Sunday!
I mean, where does it stop?
pb
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| User: "nu-monet v8.0" |
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| Title: Re: Bush administration supports holding prayer services at public libraries |
05 Dec 2005 08:27:16 AM |
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Nightshade wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:10 -0700, "nu-monet v8.0"
<nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:
This is pretty damn silly. Getting excited about
somebody using a room at a public library. I am
hard pressed to extrapolate how this in any way
is the state endorsing religion.
The library is state funded. To allow a religious
group to use it, without charge, is the same as the
state funding the spread of a religion.
Allowing them the use of public space is just the same
as allowing anybody else the use of public space. As
long as they don't do anything illegal, the government
has no business dictating what they do there.
It is neither inclusive nor exclusive. Nobody is put
out of their way by the use of that room, nor does
anyone receive anything approaching what in common law
is called "consideration" by the use of that room. It
is for public use, and that is what it is being used
for.
Trying to assert some finesse argument about content
is a blatant violation of the first amendment. Only
content determined ahead of time as obscene, indecent,
criminal, or promoting fraud can be legally excluded,
and even then only if the group advertises it as such,
or interferes with library operations or rules during
their use of the facility.
An equivalent would be to try to exclude a religious
group from holding a service in a closed part of a
public park. Cities routinely set aside parts of
parks for reserved use by groups of people, including
businesses conducting business and religions performing
religious activities, without charge.
There is no legal justification to exclude religious
people non-invasively practicing their religion
anywhere on public lands otherwise open to the public,
any more than there is a legal justification to exclude
atheists from similar use.
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Be Sure To Visit the 'SubGenius Reverend' Blog:
http://slackoff.blogspot.com/
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"YOU BELONG TO US NOW!"
"GET DOWN WITH MY SICKNESS!!"
--Kino Beman, brand name
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