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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Elroy Willis"
Date:	25 Mar 2005 06:41:19 PM
Object:	Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=8005306
"By Adam Entous
CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell
F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a key
ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.
Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward on
the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan for
its nuclear weapons program.
Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's role
helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks."
======
Time to invest a little more money in Lockheed, if you're smart!
Now if only Bush would agree to sell F-16's to India, it would be a
double whammy good investment!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	25 Mar 2005 07:20:40 PM

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:n8b941538t4mauo4lsuenk0ad4118h0ape@4ax.com:

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=

8005

306

"By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell
F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a key
ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward on
the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan for
its nuclear weapons program.

Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's role
helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks."

======

Time to invest a little more money in Lockheed, if you're smart!

Now if only Bush would agree to sell F-16's to India, it would be a
double whammy good investment!

http://www.satribune.com/archives/200503/P1_jets.htm
WASHINGTON, March 26: President George Bush on Friday announced sale of
F-16 jets to Pakistan and offered the same planes to India in a major
policy shift which may give a political boost to General Pervez
Musharraf domestically but anger the Indian Government.
But to counter balance the deal with Pakistan, Washington has indicated
it is prepared to sell India additional defence technology, including
command and control and Early Warning Systems, besides considering sale
of Patriot missiles which could hit at the Pakistani missile
capabilities.
Washington is also prepared to go into joint production of F-16 aircraft
in India, officials said confirming proposals discussed between the US
and Indian sides during the last visit of Secretary of State Condoleezza
Rice to the region...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	27 Mar 2005 07:09:40 AM

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

Weird how Reuters left out the "offered the same planes to India" part
of the article. It hints at the possibility, but doesn't say it
quite the same as the article you provided.
It will be interesting to see what happens, don't you think?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	27 Mar 2005 10:17:21 AM

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:8sbd41pui761ldvn1dei1e8efjevrg9v41@4ax.com:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=

05306

"By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell
F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a
key ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward
on the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan
for its nuclear weapons program.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/200503/P1_jets.htm

WASHINGTON, March 26: President George Bush on Friday announced sale
of F-16 jets to Pakistan and offered the same planes to India in a
major policy shift which may give a political boost to General Pervez
Musharraf domestically but anger the Indian Government.

But to counter balance the deal with Pakistan, Washington has
indicated it is prepared to sell India additional defence technology,
including command and control and Early Warning Systems, besides
considering sale of Patriot missiles which could hit at the Pakistani
missile capabilities.

Washington is also prepared to go into joint production of F-16
aircraft in India, officials said confirming proposals discussed
between the US and Indian sides during the last visit of Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice to the region...

Weird how Reuters left out the "offered the same planes to India" part
of the article. It hints at the possibility, but doesn't say it
quite the same as the article you provided.

Reuters has a history of leaving out anything that would indicate
balanced policy by the US or especially the Bush administration.

It will be interesting to see what happens, don't you think?

Indeed. We seem to be pushing a "balance of power" sort of arrangement
between India and Pakistan. Maybe if both sides feel more able to defend
themselves they'll be more confident about settling some of their
differences.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	25 Mar 2005 08:11:47 PM

On 25 Mar 2005, Fred Stone dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Great. This is actually smart. Offer help to both sides of a warring
faction, and watch them blow each other off the planet.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: "Heretic"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 07:41:52 PM

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:11:47 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

Great. This is actually smart. Offer help to both sides of a warring
faction, and watch them blow each other off the planet.

Just like a Neocon to think a radioactive planet is good.
==============================
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"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin
"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication." -Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison
"That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." -Ethan Allen
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" -Passed unanimously, US Senate, 1797
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http://unrealitycheck.com
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User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 08:08:25 PM

On 26 Mar 2005, Heretic dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:11:47 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

Great. This is actually smart. Offer help to both sides of a warring
faction, and watch them blow each other off the planet.

Just like a Neocon to think a radioactive planet is good.

"Hey, anytime a bunch of holy people want to kill each other, I'm a happy
guy."
---George Carlin
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: "Meteorite Debris"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	25 Mar 2005 10:07:10 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT the ET form known as Elroy
Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=8005306

"By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell
F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a key
ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward on
the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan for
its nuclear weapons program.

Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's role
helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks."

Making tomorrow's terrorists today. The unofficial US State Department
motto. There is not a whole world of difference between the military
strong man in Islamabad and the military strong man in Baghdad. And
then are the strong men of Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan also receiving
bucket loads of instruments harmful to humans as a reward for being
loyal partners in the war against an abstract noun. Islam Koravan of
Uzbeckistan likes to pour boiling water down the throats of political
prisoners. Lovely guys just like Saddam was but the US is busy giving
itself cleaning up work in the future. Nothing learnt of course.

Time to invest a little more money in Lockheed, if you're smart!

I avoid investments in things military. Why should my swimming pool be
filled with the blood of others and the mortar between the bricks of
my house be made of the flesh of others?

Now if only Bush would agree to sell F-16's to India, it would be a
double whammy good investment!

India has the headwaters of the Indus River and can turn off a good
portion of Pakistan's water at will. That and the N bomb.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	25 Mar 2005 10:14:41 PM

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1caf75e28e38b0d598a0b9@news.optusnet.com.au:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT the ET form known as Elroy
Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=

800

5306

"By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell
F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a key
ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime
Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward on
the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan for
its nuclear weapons program.

Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's role
helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks."

Making tomorrow's terrorists today.

Why are you complaining? You support terrorists all the time. Oh, that's
right, they're "freedom fighters" and "minutemen".

The unofficial US State Department
motto. There is not a whole world of difference between the military
strong man in Islamabad and the military strong man in Baghdad. And
then are the strong men of Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan also receiving
bucket loads of instruments harmful to humans as a reward for being
loyal partners in the war against an abstract noun.

But if they were named Guevara or Castro or Chavez, well, that's
different.

Islam Koravan of
Uzbeckistan likes to pour boiling water down the throats of political
prisoners. Lovely guys just like Saddam was but the US is busy giving
itself cleaning up work in the future. Nothing learnt of course.

Time to invest a little more money in Lockheed, if you're smart!

I avoid investments in things military. Why should my swimming pool be
filled with the blood of others and the mortar between the bricks of
my house be made of the flesh of others?

Now if only Bush would agree to sell F-16's to India, it would be a
double whammy good investment!

India has the headwaters of the Indus River and can turn off a good
portion of Pakistan's water at will. That and the N bomb.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Kevin Anthoney"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 03:53:20 PM

Fred Stone wrote:

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1caf75e28e38b0d598a0b9@news.optusnet.com.au:

Making tomorrow's terrorists today.

Why are you complaining? You support terrorists all the time. Oh, that's
right, they're "freedom fighters" and "minutemen".

But if they were named Guevara or Castro or Chavez, well, that's
different.

Didn't Chavez get voted in by the largest majority in four decades?
Damn these terrorists and their democracy!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 05:45:15 PM

Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:4b726$4245da30$51569c09$13174@nf1.news-service.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1caf75e28e38b0d598a0b9@news.optusnet.com.au:

Making tomorrow's terrorists today.

Why are you complaining? You support terrorists all the time. Oh,
that's right, they're "freedom fighters" and "minutemen".

But if they were named Guevara or Castro or Chavez, well, that's
different.

Didn't Chavez get voted in by the largest majority in four decades?

Saddam used to get *huge* majorities. 100%!

Damn these terrorists and their democracy!

Hey, I've got this bridge I can sell you, real cheap.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Heretic"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 07:44:33 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:45:15 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Saddam used to get *huge* majorities. 100%!

Yeah, Bush learned a good lesson there. Only steal as many votes as
you need.
==============================
Our greatest Americans were not Christian! Our flag has never flown a crucifix!
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin
"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication." -Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison
"That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." -Ethan Allen
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" -Passed unanimously, US Senate, 1797
EVIGILARE PECUA!
http://unrealitycheck.com
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	27 Mar 2005 10:13:37 AM

Heretic <nospam#^%&%------------->heretic@unrealitycheck.com> wrote in
news:mv3c41lse4mgkbdvrr4a7dchd6cfe772ta@4ax.com:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:45:15 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

Saddam used to get *huge* majorities. 100%!

Yeah, Bush learned a good lesson there. Only steal as many votes as
you need.

So far the only ones who have been proved to have tried to "steal" votes in
2000 or 2004 are Democrats.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Meteorite Debris"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 06:36:35 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:14:41 GMT the ET form known as Fred
Stone<fstone69@earthling.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1caf75e28e38b0d598a0b9@news.optusnet.com.au:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT the ET form known as Elroy
Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=

800

Making tomorrow's terrorists today.

Why are you complaining? You support terrorists all the time. Oh, that's
right, they're "freedom fighters" and "minutemen".

You are not fairly representing my argument.

But if they were named Guevara or Castro or Chavez, well, that's
different.

Chavez was democratically elected. That does not necessarily have to
mean favourable to US interests. But what is the problem with Chavez?
Venezuela has oil and the US wants it. Chavez wants the oil to serve
Venezuela's interests. This can not be tolerated. Chavez has been
making deals with India and China, rivals in the soon to shrink oil
market. This can not be tolerated. Therefore Chavez is a "terrorist".
Incidentally the oil companies of places like Iraq, Venezuela, Iran
are government owned and not for sale. The big 5 private companies
(Exxon, Shell, BP Chevron/Texaco, Total) can NOT increase their assets
except through mergers and takeovers which explains the mergers of
recent years. The stockmarket expects growth. With oil this used to
mean exploration to find new oil which is the main asset of oil
companies. Last year big oil spent twice as much on exploration as the
value of the oil that was found for their effort. Conclusion - oil
exploration is a good way to throw money away in a world where most
oil prospects have been explored and exploited already. You increase
oil reserves now by buying them. Or by force of arms if it comes to
that. Note that the Iraqi oil company will soon be privatised. It is
clear that the war against an abstract noun is really a war for oil.
Nonetheless you did not even try to the actions of the US friendly
strong men of central Asia. Noted.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 07:13:48 PM

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1cb09606fe178ac98a0bb@news.optusnet.com.au:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 04:14:41 GMT the ET form known as Fred
Stone<fstone69@earthling.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
news:MPG.1caf75e28e38b0d598a0b9@news.optusnet.com.au:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT the ET form known as Elroy
Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?

type=politicsNews&storyID=

800

5306

"By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to
sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift
rewarding a key ally in the war on terrorism and angering
neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move
forward on the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish
Pakistan for its nuclear weapons program.

Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's
role helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11,
2001 attacks."

Making tomorrow's terrorists today.

Why are you complaining? You support terrorists all the time. Oh,
that's right, they're "freedom fighters" and "minutemen".

You are not fairly representing my argument.

What argument? All I see is anti-American propaganda. It doesn't
surprise me at all that you defend Chavez of Venezuela.

The unofficial US State Department
motto. There is not a whole world of difference between the
military strong man in Islamabad and the military strong man in
Baghdad. And then are the strong men of Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan
also receiving bucket loads of instruments harmful to humans as a
reward for being loyal partners in the war against an abstract
noun.

But if they were named Guevara or Castro or Chavez, well, that's
different.

Chavez was democratically elected.

In a blatantly rigged election.

That does not necessarily have to
mean favourable to US interests. But what is the problem with Chavez?
Venezuela has oil and the US wants it. Chavez wants the oil to serve
Venezuela's interests. This can not be tolerated.

That much could easily be tolerated. The US wants to *buy* the oil,
Venezuela wants to sell it. No problemo.

Chavez has been
making deals with India and China, rivals in the soon to shrink oil
market. This can not be tolerated. Therefore Chavez is a "terrorist".

Talk about unfair misrepresentations. Sheesh. The oil market is
worldwide, not local. If Venezuela won't sell to us, somebody else will.
The only way they can even try to hurt the global market is to cut off
supplies. And then somebody else will pick up the slack.
Chavez is arming and supporting revolutionary movements in neighboring
South American countries, much like Castro tried to do a couple of
decades ago. He just bought some thousands of AK-47's and helicopter
gunships and he's supposedly negotiating for heavier military assets,
far beyond anything he could possibly need for his own defense.
There is only one reason for those types of armaments, and that is
offensive action against his neighbors. He has no reason to fear the US
unless he is in fact planning to threaten our interests in the region.
And the comparison with Castro is close in other ways. Chavez has
clamped down on the press and internal dissent in much the same way as
Cuba did.
It's entirely in character for you to try to defend him, after all, he's
a left-wing dictator running a terrorist operation against the United
States.

Incidentally the oil companies of places like Iraq, Venezuela, Iran
are government owned and not for sale. The big 5 private companies
(Exxon, Shell, BP Chevron/Texaco, Total) can NOT increase their assets
except through mergers and takeovers which explains the mergers of
recent years. The stockmarket expects growth. With oil this used to
mean exploration to find new oil which is the main asset of oil
companies. Last year big oil spent twice as much on exploration as the
value of the oil that was found for their effort. Conclusion - oil
exploration is a good way to throw money away in a world where most
oil prospects have been explored and exploited already. You increase
oil reserves now by buying them. Or by force of arms if it comes to
that. Note that the Iraqi oil company will soon be privatised.

Ooooh, how awful, somebody wants to buy shares in an Iraqi oil company!

It is
clear that the war against an abstract noun is really a war for oil.

Yawn.

Nonetheless you did not even try to the actions of the US friendly
strong men of central Asia. Noted.

If you weren't spouting such ridiculous socialist propaganda, I might
find it worthwhile to take your charges seriously.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Heretic"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 07:46:06 PM

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:13:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

What argument? All I see is anti-American propaganda. It doesn't
surprise me at all that you defend Chavez of Venezuela.

It's anti-Bush propaganda, which is, by nature, pro-American
propaganda.
==============================
Our greatest Americans were not Christian! Our flag has never flown a crucifix!
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin
"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication." -Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison
"That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." -Ethan Allen
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" -Passed unanimously, US Senate, 1797
EVIGILARE PECUA!
http://unrealitycheck.com
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	27 Mar 2005 10:12:14 AM

Heretic <nospam#^%&%------------->heretic@unrealitycheck.com> wrote in
news:924c419ibm4p1p8jaj6oipgiuuktna888e@4ax.com:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:13:48 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

What argument? All I see is anti-American propaganda. It doesn't
surprise me at all that you defend Chavez of Venezuela.

It's anti-Bush propaganda, which is, by nature, pro-American
propaganda.

Yawn. I notice you didn't respond to anything of substance.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Daniel Kolle"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 03:41:49 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:
<snip>
How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?
--
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Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
.

User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	27 Mar 2005 06:54:27 AM

Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:
<snip>
How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Hard to predict. However, when I posted my first message, I didn't
know that Bush also agreed to sell F-16s to India. I think that might
decrease the chances of it biting us in the ***** for some reason.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "Heretic"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	26 Mar 2005 07:52:00 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:49 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:

How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Yeah, we will have American pilots fighting those Pakistani F-16s
inside fifteen years. And the Republicans will be calling them
enemies of freedom. No, they will probably hire a p.r. firm to come
up with some catchy name like evildoers. What will it be? Wicked
despotic regime? Nuclear bullies? Minions of Lucifer?
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	29 Mar 2005 12:16:44 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:49 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:

<snip>

How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Hard to tell, but the 'chomping' will come. Doesn't matter as it will
boost ShrubCo's stock portfolio either way.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	30 Mar 2005 01:21:35 AM

In article <in6j41h7nr0f5ts263mnrp0n4li6e4iu5j@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:49 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:

<snip>

How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Hard to tell, but the 'chomping' will come. Doesn't matter as it will
boost ShrubCo's stock portfolio either way.

Good editorial by Robert Scheer in the LA Times today on the same
subject:
---
Published on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times
A Con Job by Pakistan's Pal, George Bush
by Robert Scheer

Trying to follow the U.S. policy on the proliferation of nuclear weapons
is like watching a three-card monte game on a city street corner. Except
the stakes are higher.
The announcement Friday that the United States is authorizing the sale
to Pakistan of F-16 fighter jets capable of delivering nuclear warheads
-- and thereby escalating the region's nuclear arms race -- is the
latest example of how the most important issue on the planet is being
bungled by the Bush administration.
Consider this dizzying series of Bush II-era actions:
We have thrown away thousands of Iraqi and American lives and billions
of U.S. taxpayer dollars after crying wolf on Iraq's long-defunct
nuclear weapons program and now expect the world to believe similar
scary stories about neighboring Iran.
We have cozied up to Pakistan for more than three years as it freely
allowed the operation of the most extravagantly irresponsible nuclear
arms bazaar the world has ever seen.
We sabotaged negotiations with North Korea by telling allies that
Pyongyang had supplied nuclear material to Libya, even though the Bush
administration knew that the country of origin of those shipments was
our "ally," Pakistan.
Now, Lockheed Martin has been saved from closing its F-16 production
line by the White House decision to lift the arms embargo on Pakistan
and allow the sale. The decision, which ends a 1990 embargo put in place
by the president's father in reprisal for Pakistan's development of a
nuclear arsenal, is especially odd at a time when we are berating
European nations for considering lifting their arms embargo on China.
The White House says the F-16s are a reward to Islamabad for its help in
disrupting terrorism networks, despite a decade of Pakistan's strong
support of Al Qaeda and the Taliban government in Afghanistan.
Yet Pakistan's ruling generals could be excused for believing that
Washington is not seriously concerned about the proliferation of nuclear
weapons. How else to explain invading a country -- Iraq -- that didn't
possess nukes, didn't sell nuclear technology to unstable nations and
didn't maintain an unholy alliance with Al Qaeda -- and then turning
around and giving the plum prizes of U.S. military ingenuity to the
country that did?
Even as the Bush administration continues to confront Iran over its
alleged nuclear weapons program, Islamabad has admitted that Pakistani
nuclear weapons trafficker Abdul Qadeer Khan -- the father of his
nation's nuclear bomb -- provided Iran with the centrifuges essential to
such a program. Further, new evidence reveals that Khan marketed to Iran
and Libya not only the materials needed for a nuclear bomb but the
engineering competence to actually make one.
Pakistan President Gen. Pervez Musharraf insists Khan was running his
nuclear smuggling operation under the radar of the military government
that brought Musharraf to power. And although this is a highly
implausible claim given the reach of the military's power and the scope
of the operation, the White House has found it convenient to buy it
hook, line and sinker -- all the better to remarket Pakistan to the
American people as a war-on-terrorism ally.
While Pakistan was receiving such heaping helpings of benefit of the
doubt, North Korea became the Bush administration's scapegoat for the
rapid nuclear proliferation happening on its watch, according to the
Washington Post. "In an effort to increase pressure on North Korea, the
Bush administration told its Asian allies in briefings earlier this year
that Pyongyang had exported nuclear material to Libya," wrote the Post.
"But that is not what U.S. intelligence reported, according to two
officials with detailed knowledge of the transaction." Sources told the
paper that "Pakistan's role as both the buyer and the seller [of uranium
hexafluoride] was concealed to cover up the part played by Washington's
partner."
One result of the United States shortsightedly pulling this fast one has
been the collapse of multilateral nonproliferation talks with Pyongyang.
Yet in the long term, the cost is much greater: a dramatic erosion of
trust in U.S. statements on nuclear proliferation.
From Iraq to Iran, North Korea to Pakistan, the Bush administration has
pulled so many con jobs that it is difficult for anybody to take it
seriously. Unfortunately, though, the proliferation of nuclear weapons
is as serious as it gets.
---
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0329-26.htm
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	30 Mar 2005 10:19:51 AM

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:21:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <in6j41h7nr0f5ts263mnrp0n4li6e4iu5j@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:49 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:

<snip>

How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Hard to tell, but the 'chomping' will come. Doesn't matter as it will
boost ShrubCo's stock portfolio either way.

It's indeed pathetic. My 14 year old daughter would do a much more
competant job in the top slot.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	31 Mar 2005 12:05:07 AM

In article <7bkl41tfbhfiagj5er7ahfgu86q3ajjp6j@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:21:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <in6j41h7nr0f5ts263mnrp0n4li6e4iu5j@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:41:49 -0600, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:41:19 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> thought hard and said:

<snip>

How badly is this going to come back and bite us in the *****?

Hard to tell, but the 'chomping' will come. Doesn't matter as it will
boost ShrubCo's stock portfolio either way.

Good editorial by Robert Scheer in the LA Times today on the same
subject:
---
Published on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times

A Con Job by Pakistan's Pal, George Bush
by Robert Scheer

Trying to follow the U.S. policy on the proliferation of nuclear weapons
is like watching a three-card monte game on a city street corner. Except
the stakes are higher.

It's indeed pathetic. My 14 year old daughter would do a much more
competant job in the top slot.

[]

I think that my neighbor's dog could do better too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: Bush Agrees to Sell F-16s to Pakistan	31 Mar 2005 11:01:13 AM

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:05:07 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote: