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"karl" |
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04 Nov 2005 04:31:20 PM |
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Bush and the RR. Theories |
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on to
the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit to the
administration team for competence even if you find the goals they sought
despicable.
But recently the wheels seem to have come off. Second term lame duck-itus?
Perhaps. But how in the world could the Bush Administration brain trust have
allowed the Miers nomination?
(1) A stalking horse. There was no intention of having her be successful.
She was set up to fail so that the second attempt might breeze through.
Considering how much Miers opposition came from Republicans this might not
be so outlandish. If the Dems do try to obstruct nominee mark 2 then the
Republicans can throw up their hands and cry 'Obstructionist Democrats!' and
portray the Dems of being impossible and justifying the nuclear option.
(2) The non-religious right. Bush seems sincere in his deism but those
around him not so much. My sense is that Rove, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld et.
al. don't give a fig about the religious right and take them for granted.
Rove, Cheney and company are more interested in pursuing the non-religious
aspects of the Republican agenda and care less about Supreme Court
nominations which won't matter to this administration in particular and care
less about the abortion and prayer type issues that the court might decide
in the future. So they leave the call to Bush thinking how bad could his
choice be? It will be a Republican and that's all that matters. They don't
care about the nominees abortion litmus or school prayer. they automatically
assume another Thomas. someone who will vote the right way on the important
issues.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
04 Nov 2005 08:29:29 PM |
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"karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[...]
But recently the wheels seem to have come off. Second term lame
duck-itus?
Perhaps. But how in the world could the Bush Administration brain trust
have
allowed the Miers nomination?
(3) Lost a bet.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
04 Nov 2005 05:32:49 PM |
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In <ZIadnTT7eMMjEfbeRVn-ug@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on
to the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit to
the administration team for competence even if you find the goals they
sought despicable.
I don't have to give them any such thing. It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://www.nola.com/
"FEMA email warned of disaster"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C5332250C
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
04 Nov 2005 08:29:00 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
In <ZIadnTT7eMMjEfbeRVn-ug@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on
to the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit
to
the administration team for competence even if you find the goals they
sought despicable.
I don't have to give them any such thing. It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
There's no doubt about that. Bush was already on the road to historical
oblivion only a few months into his Presidency.
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| User: "karl" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
07 Nov 2005 04:48:02 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:gwPaf.12829$tV6.8429@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
In <ZIadnTT7eMMjEfbeRVn-ug@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign
on
to the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit
to
the administration team for competence even if you find the goals they
sought despicable.
I don't have to give them any such thing. It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
There's no doubt about that. Bush was already on the road to historical
oblivion only a few months into his Presidency.
Based on? I dislike much of what Bush Jr. has done but I dislike even more
such statements as 'There's no doubt' about historical conclusions on such
events that did not happen.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
04 Nov 2005 08:38:42 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:29:00 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
<gwPaf.12829$tV6.8429@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
In <ZIadnTT7eMMjEfbeRVn-ug@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on
to the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit
to
the administration team for competence even if you find the goals they
sought despicable.
I don't have to give them any such thing. It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
There's no doubt about that. Bush was already on the road to historical
oblivion only a few months into his Presidency.
It's amazing how Bush and Osama seem to do exactly what the other one
needs.
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| User: "Jon Skinner" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
05 Nov 2005 07:32:13 AM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:29:00 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
<gwPaf.12829$tV6.8429@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
In <ZIadnTT7eMMjEfbeRVn-ug@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on
to the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit
to
the administration team for competence even if you find the goals they
sought despicable.
I don't have to give them any such thing. It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
There's no doubt about that. Bush was already on the road to historical
oblivion only a few months into his Presidency.
It's amazing how Bush and Osama seem to do exactly what the other one
needs.
And you never see them in the same room together...
--
Jon
a.a.#277
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| User: "karl" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
07 Nov 2005 04:45:47 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
I don't have to give them any such thing.
You don't have to.
It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Not overstep but that sounds somewhat like sour grapes, unattractive to say
the least. If you truly do believe in the extreme gullibility of the public
then I might suggest logic dictates you only have two reasonable courses of
action. One, give up. If people are as malleable as you suggest their is no
hope for the democracy to continue. Or, two, agitate for a dictatorship as
the people can not be trusted not to be duped.
Had 9/11 never happened, Bush would most likely have ended up like his
daddy, a one term failure.
Personal opinion but I found Bush Sr to have been a much better president
than Junior, single term notwithstanding. Indeed if you fret about Bush
Junior's happenstance election you must consider Clinton's election in the
same light. But for a short sharp recession pretty much beyond any
president's control Senior probably would have managed a second term.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
07 Nov 2005 11:33:43 PM |
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In <cdOdnSWi4skqGfLeRVn-tw@rogers.com>, "karl" <kona_cc@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:24qdna2yH_-zBvbeRVn-vA@megapath.net...
I don't have to give them any such thing.
You don't have to.
It was sheer happenstance.
Extraordinary circumstances in which Congress and the public became so
gullible you could have had them attacking Mars over 9/11.
Not overstep but that sounds somewhat like sour grapes,
No, it's that the Bushes have no concept of governance. And now that we're
past the 9/11 effect, that's becoming so obvious even the Republicans are
starting to sweat.
unattractive to
say
the least. If you truly do believe in the extreme gullibility of the
public then I might suggest logic dictates you only have two reasonable
courses of action. One, give up. If people are as malleable as you suggest
their is no hope for the democracy to continue.
Precisely.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
Design flaws and malfeasance
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W35E21C1C
Outdated standards
http://makeashorterlink.com/?X14E32C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
05 Nov 2005 11:16:11 AM |
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karl wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on to
the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit to the
administration team for competence even if you find the goals they sought
despicable.
I blame the public for being so stupid as to elect ignorant and
incompetent politicians. They are only competent at getting what they
want and PR, at actually governing they are a failure.
But recently the wheels seem to have come off. Second term lame duck-itus?
Perhaps. But how in the world could the Bush Administration brain trust have
allowed the Miers nomination?
(1) A stalking horse. There was no intention of having her be successful.
She was set up to fail so that the second attempt might breeze through.
Considering how much Miers opposition came from Republicans this might not
be so outlandish. If the Dems do try to obstruct nominee mark 2 then the
Republicans can throw up their hands and cry 'Obstructionist Democrats!' and
portray the Dems of being impossible and justifying the nuclear option.
(2) The non-religious right. Bush seems sincere in his deism
Bush isn't a deist. Bush believes in a personal god (Jesus). There is
no personal god in deism. He is a theist.
but those
around him not so much. My sense is that Rove, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld et.
al. don't give a fig about the religious right and take them for granted.
Rove, Cheney and company are more interested in pursuing the non-religious
aspects of the Republican agenda and care less about Supreme Court
nominations which won't matter to this administration in particular and care
less about the abortion and prayer type issues that the court might decide
in the future. So they leave the call to Bush thinking how bad could his
choice be? It will be a Republican and that's all that matters. They don't
care about the nominees abortion litmus or school prayer. they automatically
assume another Thomas. someone who will vote the right way on the important
issues.
(3) Lot's of people were spreading the word that it would be "cool" to
have nomination that was not a judge, a person with real world
experience. Pundits, politicians, and reporters were all spreading this
meme/memo. I even heard Adam Corolla say this on his comedy central
show of all places. Personally I thought the idea was idiotic the first
time I heard it. The real question is who, if any singular entity,
started this idea. It may not have come from within the administration.
It may not have been coordinated.
Personally I think it was coordinated, and Bush was trying to do
something that he thought would make him cool/popular. Again the
administration was thinking PR and not governing.
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| User: "karl" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and the RR. Theories |
07 Nov 2005 04:53:17 PM |
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"Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131189371.361583.60720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
karl wrote:
Loath em or hate em you have to admit the Bush administration has been
until recently uber successful at getting what they want. If you sign on
to
the idea that George W is indeed an idiot then you must give credit to
the
administration team for competence even if you find the goals they sought
despicable.
I blame the public for being so stupid as to elect ignorant and
incompetent politicians. They are only competent at getting what they
want and PR, at actually governing they are a failure.
See my other post re: sour grapes, give up or form a dictatorship
(3) Lot's of people were spreading the word that it would be "cool" to
have nomination that was not a judge, a person with real world
experience. Pundits, politicians, and reporters were all spreading this
meme/memo. I even heard Adam Corolla say this on his comedy central
show of all places.
I guess it's possible. Though I hadn't heard of this 'cool' idea.
Personally I think a certain minimum qualification for nominees is the
reasonable course.
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