"rj" <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in news:8aOdnTL3Qrb3sfTfRVn-
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"rj" <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will never
be president again?

Because if there was any justice, he'd be executed for treason.

Maybe so, but I certainly don't see YOU demanding that he be tried.

It IS bizarre that I don't have the control of the airwaves that Rush
and DeLay do. I can't understand why national reporters aren't busting
down my door to get a quote from me.

Maybe it's my breath.

I
don't see anyone making an appointment to see either an Asst. US
Attorney or a US attorney to discuss the matter. Make an appointment
to see a Asst.
US Atty. When you do, would you please provide a transcript of the
conversation? i am most interested in what he or she has to say about
the matter.

Well, it's nice I can't trust my government to do the right thing.

I know...let's impeach him! It was fun the last time we impeached a
president. I do love the end results we had from Clinton's
proceedings.

And don't forget Nixon!

So far all I have heard is whining and bitching and moaning
about Bush.

Well, he can dictate his whims with the full force of the law.

I think you fail to see the inherent power that you personally hold.

It depends if I actually hold any.

Why don't these people do something constructive like come up
with a solution to the problem or is that is far too difficult for
them?

The solution is the removal of Bush.

Where are the filing of the lawsuits? Where are the criminal charges?
Where is there any legal action being drawn? There isn't any. Why?

All good questions.

If I may be allowed to exaggerate for a moment: What would it take to
get the current president in trouble? Bush running naked down
Pennsylvannia avenue mowing people down with an AK-47? Or would it just
be blamed on Clinton?

Lazy
whining jerks just want to ***** like a bunch of old ladies.

Why would the single-party administration take legal action against
itself?

Instead of bashing Bush, why not work on finding a good democratic
candidate
and extolling his virtues. 2008 isn't all that far off.

It's an eternity.

That is the lamest excuse I have heard so far. Your attitude is quite
pathetic. What is wrong with you? Was grade school was an eternity
times two? High school was an eternity too? College another eternity?
So far we are up to 4 eternities.

Take it literally if you wish, but watching an administration with
nearly total power, and nothing to lose, trying to force every damaging
issue through an impotent opposition is going to be a looong haul.

They've barely started.

rj wrote:

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:

"rj" <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will never
be president again?

Because if there was any justice, he'd be executed for treason.

Maybe so, but I certainly don't see YOU demanding that he be tried. I
don't see anyone making an appointment to see either an Asst. US
Attorney or a US attorney to discuss the matter.

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

-Jeff Dee

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:23:12 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in
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Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will never
be president again? So far all I have heard is whining and bitching
and moaning about Bush. Why don't these people do something
constructive like come up with a solution to the problem or is that
is far too difficult for them?

Instead of bashing Bush, why not work on finding a good democratic
candidate and extolling his virtues. 2008 isn't all that far off.

I'm sorry for criticising Bush.

Someone who used his position to avoid military service while at the
same time was in favour of the Vietnam blood fest need never expect to
be criticised.

Someone who used his governorship to assist industry avoid cleaning up
its' mess should never be criticised.

Someone who killed 152 people as Governor should never be criticised.

Someone tells lies to get himself an illegal war should never be
criticised.

Someone who calls the UN "irrelevant" because it did not give the
Article 51 endorsement to make the war for oil legal should never be
criticised.

Someone who kills 100,000 Iraqis plus 1,500 Americans should never be
criticised.

Someone who grant contracts to his mates without proper tender to
repair the country he destroyed should never be criticised.

Someone who uses his position to avoid the rap for Hacken reporting
discrepancies should never be criticised.

Someone who steals elections should never be criticised.

No we should shut up and let the Leo Strauss fascists get on the the
job of trading US democracy for global hegemony. There are still
millions of people who have to killed in the coming resource wars and
criticism is going to make that job so much harder.

/me slaps myself.

The criticism is not the problem. It is the total lack of a practical
solution to accompany the criticism that is lacking.

Don't be silly.

If people don't point out that someone is has acted unethically, they
are tacitally accepting the crime.

The obvious solution is not to act unethically.

I encourage the people that work for me to ***** all they want provided
they offer a possible solution in addition to the complaint. I
discourage bitching without a solution as that is destructive behaviour.
The rules of rational thought also dictate that the complaint and the
solution accompany each other.

Then you will never hear about problems from your people that need to
be addressed. You do a very bad job of managing.

My suggestion is to stop limiting feedback to yourself.

I glanced over your litany of complaints and wish to point out
something. As governor of Texas, he was powerless to stop executions as
the current governor is. Many, many years ago a corrupt governor was
pardoning condemned criminals for large sums of money. The Texas
legislature voted that the power to pardon a convicted criminal be
removed from the governor and to this day that ruling stands. I
suggest you investigate the rest of your criticisms to see which of them
are truly his fault. I think you will find at least one that you
attribute to him to be quite unjust and unfair.

True - the governer of Texas has almost no power - that was why they
put Bush in to the position from what I've been told by people who
lived there. Bush's own party didn't trust him.

As long as I am on the topic of executions, I have always had a problem
with executions as they illustrate the blatent and obvious hypocricy of
the christians that comprise the majority of the populace. I have read
the bible many times, searched concordances, read the papers of biblical
scholars and never did I find any exception to the Commandment "Thou
shalt not kill". Never did I find even a hint of an exception. I have
yet to find one person that can logically explain to me why the majority
of christians want true revenge when it is clearly stated "Revenge is
mine sayeth the Lord". How can this be? How is the illogic of the
situtation be so easily resolved in the minds of so many?

One more question if I may. What do you propose you or others do
regarding the actions of GW? There are a number of ways that I can
think of that would resolve your grievances but I also believe you an
intelligent fellow and as such can find vast and varied possible
solutions. What do you propose?

Speak up and complain about his actions. Complain to your party -
complain to your congressman. People who don't speak up when they see
something wrong, deserve what they get.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:18:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:23:37 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will never
be president again? So far all I have heard is whining and bitching
and moaning about Bush. Why don't these people do something
constructive like come up with a solution to the problem or is that is
far too difficult for them?

Instead of bashing Bush, why not work on finding a good democratic
candidate and extolling his virtues. 2008 isn't all that far off.

What's wrong with doing both?

Nothing per se but complaining by and of itself will do little to
nothing. So, do both if you must but unless some sort of positive
action is done to remove GW, you must realize that you will have him as
president until 2008. Given the above, I have to ask why continue to
complain unless it is simply 'therapy for the soul' so to speak.

There's also the matter of keeping people informed. Many people don't
hear about the stuff that the Bush administration gets up to (and it's
usually up to something it shouldn't be) unless it's drawn to their
attention. Even some of the posts in here have been informative,
providing links to news stories about corruption that I might have
missed. You might consider those to be more 'Bush bashing' but if we
don't know what the problem is and can not discuss it, coming up with
a solution is going to be a bit tricky isn't it?


Mephisto

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:26:01 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:3jrh615n09b0odfruu9onb0i3mogc2fe1c@4ax.com:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:23:37 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will never
be president again? So far all I have heard is whining and bitching
and moaning about Bush. Why don't these people do something
constructive like come up with a solution to the problem or is that is
far too difficult for them?

The "you lost, get over it" hypocrisy from those who spent 8 years
trying to destroy the Clinton presidency.

more bashing.

No. simply the hypocrisy of those who irrationally hated Clinton
because he wasn't a religious extremist.

The sociopaths who imagine that it was OK for Bush to lie to the
country and the world to get us into an illegal war. Who forget the
torture of prisoners in both Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.

More bashing.

No. Fact. As is the fact that Bush is a religious extremist pushinh
the fundamentalists' agenda.

Why the heck should we put up with it?

Instead of bashing Bush, why not work on finding a good democratic
candidate and extolling his virtues. 2008 isn't all that far off.

And in the mean time?

I don't see a candidate. I don't see a solution. All I see is more
bitching and bashing. I don't see anything constructive. I dont see a
solution or even an alternative.

Look at it this way.

1) Bush is not going to be reelected.
2) Bitching never resolved anything unless coupled with a solution.
3) Bush is the elected president. He is going to do what he is going to
do and there is little to nothing that you and I can do about it.
4) Stating that something is illegal doesn't make it so. If it were
illegal, then why hasn't someone at least indicted Bush and friends. I
can tell you why, because they don't have a legal leg to stand on. If
you still think it is illegal, then get an attorney to file a law suit.
Please let me know who you get to represent your side.

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. Which the sociopathic bully who imagines he
is thje world's leader flouts. Why do you think he is so disliked in
the rest of the world? Not just for the illegal war which apparently
you support, as you support his lies, but also the various
international treaties he has withdrawn the US from.

rj wrote:

Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:3jrh615n09b0odfruu9onb0i3mogc2fe1c@4ax.com:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:23:37 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why do we have to listen to all this Bush bashing when he will

never be

president again? So far all I have heard is whining and bitching

and

moaning about Bush. Why don't these people do something

constructive

like come up with a solution to the problem or is that is far too
difficult for them?

The "you lost, get over it" hypocrisy from those who spent 8 years
trying to destroy the Clinton presidency.

more bashing.

The sociopaths who imagine that it was OK for Bush to lie to the
country and the world to get us into an illegal war. Who forget the
torture of prisoners in both Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.

More bashing.

Instead of bashing Bush, why not work on finding a good democratic
candidate and extolling his virtues. 2008 isn't all that far off.

And in the mean time?

I don't see a candidate. I don't see a solution. All I see is more
bitching and bashing. I don't see anything constructive. I dont see

a

solution or even an alternative.

Maybe you aren't looking. The Democrats aren't the answer. The answer
is coming at the grassroots level and there are a lot of activist
groups out there to look at.

Besides, do you really need a candidate? Can't you run your own life
without a big government or corporation trying to regulate every aspect
of it? A lot of people hate the concept of government and corporations
because it serves the interests of only the very powerful.

Look at it this way.

1) Bush is not going to be reelected.

Irrelevant for the next 2 1/2 years.

2) Bitching never resolved anything unless coupled with a solution.

Here's the thing: nobody really knows how to make the world the best it
possibly can be. Nobody. Anyone who tells me they do have a solution
is, without question, trying to sell me a load of nonsense. Which is
why I find voting a waste of time.

But some ideas can lead to better results. And to find that, you'd
have to look elsewhere than the Republicans/Democrats.

3) Bush is the elected president. He is going to do what he is going

to do

and there is little to nothing that you and I can do about it.

Therein lies the problem.

4) Stating that something is illegal doesn't make it so. If it were
illegal, then why hasn't someone at least indicted Bush and friends.

I can

tell you why, because they don't have a legal leg to stand on. If

you

still think it is illegal, then get an attorney to file a law suit.

Please

let me know who you get to represent your side.

Who said anything about illegal actions? It's the stuff he's legally
allowed to do which enrages so many people.

Now, where is that candidate? What would he do? What is his name?

What

has he done in the past? Where does he stand on the many issues

important

to you? Why keep it secret? Why can't we see a solution now? Must

we

always wait for the convention? What about O'Bama? He seems like a

decent fellow.

He's the Senator of my home state and he probably won't be elected for
one reason: his skin color. The "red states" would never vote for a
half black person to be president.

What about Kerry? Maybe the 2nd time around is the charm.

Could he get a fair chance without being smeared by Fox News? Nope.

I recently told my sister pretty much the same things I mentioned

above. I

added that she should not let her hate consume her as no one likes a
whiner, right or not.

Good advice, but there are some serious problems. It's better we
"*****" about it (more like discussing problems) then get violent and
do something stupid.

Ask not what your country has done for you, but what YOU have done

for your

country (besides ***** about it).

Here's the thing: you don't fix a broken car by focusing on what is
working perfectly. You focus on what is wrong with it.

BTW- Unless you're one of the upper 5% in this country, you really
shouldn't be loyal to the government at all. Be loyal to your family,
friends, and neighbors. But don't hold the illusion that your
government cares about you one bit. It doesn't. It'll take from you
whatever it can and will spit you out when it's done. Think of the
government more like a puzzle to solve in which one should find ways to
getting what they can out of it because that's exactly what they're
doing to you.

I'd ignore the government as the stupid, evil, and wasteful thing it
is, but it has armed thugs which won't let me.