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13 Aug 2004 05:43:11 AM |
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Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11 |
John Kerry has waded into an issue raised by Michael Moore in his film
"Fahrenheit 9/11," namely, President Bush's sitting for seven minutes in a
Florida classroom after being told "the country is under attack." Republicans
are waxing indignant, of course. But the criticism is richly deserved.
The fact that Bush wasted 27 minutes that day - not only the seven minutes
reading to kids but 20 more at a photo op afterward - was, in my view, the most
outrageous thing a President has done since Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the
Supreme Court.
Watergate was outrageous but it still did not carry the possibility of utter
devastation, like a President's freezing at the very moment we needed his
immediate focus on an attack on the United States.
This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an emergency.
If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should be.
But it is not. Republicans are tying themselves in knots trying to defend Bush's
actions that morning. The excuses they put forward are absurd:
He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should have
imagined a thousand times. There is no time in the nuclear age for a President
to sit like Forrest Gump "gathering thoughts" after an attack has begun.
Gathering information is what he should have been doing.
From the White House press secretary: "The President felt he should project
strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening." I agree
that gaining a better understanding of what was happening should have been his
goal. What I don't get is how that goal was reached by just sitting there
instead of getting up and talking to people. Is he a psychic? Was he receiving
the information telepathically?
"He didn't want to scare the children." Vice President Cheney has said of Kerry,
"The senator from Massachusetts has given us ample reason to doubt the judgment
he brings to vital issues of national security." So Kerry's judgment is suspect,
but at a moment of national crisis, Bush's judgment was: Better not to scare 20
children momentarily than to react immediately to an attack on the country!
If he had just said, "Hey, kids, gotta go do some President business - be good
to your moms and dads, bye!" my guess is the kids would have survived.
I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can defend George
Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being clear-eyed and
decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect toughness.
But Bush choked at the most important moment a President could have. We're lucky
Al Qaeda had done its worst by the time he pulled himself away from the photo
op. Next time, it might not be that way.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/221433p-190107c.html
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23 Aug 2004 09:30:54 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:59:38 +0000, H.D.S wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.23.02.14.28.911178@2am.cn:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:43:32 +0000, H.D.S wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.23.00.03.11.159699@2am.cn:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:34:21 -0700, Charles R Ward wrote:
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<agohi099668q3s3vhenu6bmprkmm1ki9hj@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> thought
hard and said:
Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?
I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place
for the most valuable asset in our country to be when we are
under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other
secure location immediately, not waiting to see where the next
plane hits!
Ummm... excuse me. What the hell could Bush do?
He could have left the classroom immediately, there are few
better places on earth than Air Force One for establishing
communication and gathering information.
Charrles R Ward
Yup. The only plane in the air. Not much of a target, eh?
LOL, are you dumb enough to think it would be a piece of cake to find
and collide with another plane at 700mph and 35,000 feet, compared to
a stationary school complex?
Not to mention that AF1 is always excorted by fighter jets.
I'm coming to the firm belief few people in here think.
You are proof of that.
Fact remains....big black entourage....only plane in sky....two and two
still equals four in my book!
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
It ain't rocket science....
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11 |
24 Aug 2004 05:15:59 PM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:59:38 +0000, H.D.S wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.23.02.14.28.911178@2am.cn:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:43:32 +0000, H.D.S wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.23.00.03.11.159699@2am.cn:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:34:21 -0700, Charles R Ward wrote:
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<agohi099668q3s3vhenu6bmprkmm1ki9hj@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> thought
hard and said:
Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?
I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place
for the most valuable asset in our country to be when we are
under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other
secure location immediately, not waiting to see where the next
plane hits!
Ummm... excuse me. What the hell could Bush do?
He could have left the classroom immediately, there are few
better places on earth than Air Force One for establishing
communication and gathering information.
Charrles R Ward
Yup. The only plane in the air. Not much of a target, eh?
LOL, are you dumb enough to think it would be a piece of cake to find
and collide with another plane at 700mph and 35,000 feet, compared to
a stationary school complex?
Not to mention that AF1 is always excorted by fighter jets.
I'm coming to the firm belief few people in here think.
You are proof of that.
Fact remains....big black entourage....only plane in sky....two and two
still equals four in my book!
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:33:24 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
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Merlyn LeRoy
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
God, how muther-fucking *DENSE* can you fucking be????
You're as fucking ignorant as they were!
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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25 Aug 2004 11:44:35 AM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
Because they WEREN'T trying to kill the president, you moron.
But at the time of the attack, nobody KNEW that, so the
reasonable thing to do is assume that a publically-announced
photo-op is NOT a safe place.
But your comment about the "press not blabbing his location"
shows you didn't even KNOW that the president was at an
already-publicized photo-op, so now you're just trying to
backpedal so as to not look quite as stupid. But it isn't
working.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Paul Harper" |
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25 Aug 2004 12:16:10 PM |
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On 25 Aug 2004 16:44:35 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
Because they WEREN'T trying to kill the president, you moron.
Indeed. Any bloody fool can kill a president. But drive a passenger
airliner full-on into the front of the White House, that fucks the
country for decades. As it is, America is the most nervous, worried
and twitchy country on the planet now. Think how much more paranoid
they'd be if the White House was a small pile of smoking rubble?
That's the trouble with people who think individuals are imporant.
They're not. It's symbols that bring countries to their knees - as the
WTC destruction showed all too well.
If you ask me, the terrorists pretty much won that argument. The US
economy's gone to pot, the national debt is spiralling out of control
with the result that most of the US is owned by foreign investors,
unemployment is growing, moral is at a very low ebb and the US's
standing globally has never been worse.
Paul.
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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25 Aug 2004 11:41:57 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:16:10 +0100, Paul Harper wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 16:44:35 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
Because they WEREN'T trying to kill the president, you moron.
Indeed. Any bloody fool can kill a president. But drive a passenger
airliner full-on into the front of the White House, that fucks the
country for decades. As it is, America is the most nervous, worried
and twitchy country on the planet now. Think how much more paranoid
they'd be if the White House was a small pile of smoking rubble?
Very good point.
Has about the same effect as it did when the Japs sunk the Arizona. We
want revenge. And they didn't have to hit the White House to do that. But,
hitting the White house would have upset the seat of the leadership of the
country (if that's what you want to call it), had a drastic effect on the
stock market and disrupted government even further. 'Justice' would have
been much more widespread then just Afghanistan and Iraq.
That's the trouble with people who think individuals are imporant.
They're not. It's symbols that bring countries to their knees - as the
WTC destruction showed all too well.
Yup.
If you ask me, the terrorists pretty much won that argument. The US
economy's gone to pot, the national debt is spiralling out of control
with the result that most of the US is owned by foreign investors,
unemployment is growing, moral is at a very low ebb and the US's
standing globally has never been worse.
Paul.
Most of what you mention happened on other people's watches. They buying
of America began with Carter, increased with Reagan and skyrocketed with
Clinton. And who did most of the buying (hint, if you say Japan, you
*don't* get a gold star!)
Unemployment is cyclical. Any first year economics student knows this. Has
very little to do with the Presidency. The WTC falling to the ground had
more to do with empoloyment levels than Bush ever will.
As for our standing globally, we lost the French. Heh? Big deal. We lost
the Germans. Bigger deal (really) But, we gained a few strategic alliances
out of this.
And think of this. Even without Nucular weapons ;), we could have
*levelled* Iraq!!!
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| User: "Paul Harper" |
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26 Aug 2004 04:40:21 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:41:57 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
[re. Foreign ownership of the US]
Most of what you mention happened on other people's watches.
Well... Started on other people's watches, for sure. And it's got
worse under the current administration - the financing for the massive
public debt has to come from somewhere.
Unemployment is cyclical.
Hmmmm. Not too sure about that. Maybe that's the case in the US, but
the cynic in me tends to label terms such as "cyclical" as mere
excuses for shallow analysis and lack of detailed knowledge (ie first
year economic students <g>). Unemployment depends upon many things, a
large one of which is public confidence.
And US public confidence is one thing this administration (through the
various freedom-sapping laws that have been passed and the constant
use of changing alert levels to keep people nervous) has completely
shot to hell.
As for our standing globally, we lost the French. Heh? Big deal. We lost
the Germans. Bigger deal (really) But, we gained a few strategic alliances
out of this.
Actually, it depends whether you are talking about governments or
people. In governmental terms, you have a very strong ally in my own
(British) administration. In terms of the British *people*, however,
the US standing has never been lower (Qualification: I have no
matrices to support this, it's a feeling gathered from talking to
other of my countrymen, so it's a subjective rather than objective
observation).
I can also make first-hand the same observation with regard to the
Spanish people.
Those whom you think of as allies are simply playing the "keep the big
guy happy" game. Don't rely upon them/us to be unquestionably there in
any circumstance.
And I am not too sure that a few small pacific islands giving
permission to use their names in the "coalition of the willing" really
constitutes a significant growth in "strategic allies".
And think of this. Even without Nucular weapons ;), we could have
*levelled* Iraq!!!
That would be one circumstance when you would have stood alone. Even
without nuclear weapons.
Paul.
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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25 Aug 2004 11:31:17 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:44:35 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
Because they WEREN'T trying to kill the president, you moron.
And they were headed for Washington for...
But at the time of the attack, nobody KNEW that, so the
reasonable thing to do is assume that a publically-announced
photo-op is NOT a safe place.
But your comment about the "press not blabbing his location"
shows you didn't even KNOW that the president was at an
already-publicized photo-op, so now you're just trying to
backpedal so as to not look quite as stupid. But it isn't
working.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Yup. But the point is, they weren't tageting him. You just said so
yourself! So why get you're intestines in a knot? You're contradicting
yourself. First you say they were targeting the President and that a
school was not a good place, now you're saying they weren't. Make up your
mind.
The school wasn't even a target, if it had been, Bush and a whole bunch of
kids would be dead. Whether he hi-tailed it out of there or not.
Aside from all that, 3 years later it's a moot point anyway.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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26 Aug 2004 09:13:29 AM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:44:35 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> writes:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:15:59 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
And the fact remains that they *didn't* know where he was so it was the
safest place to stay as long as the press didn't blab his location!
LOOk, you fucking idiot, the president was at a PHOTO OP!
His exact location was KNOWN and ANNOUNCED days before!
AND *YOU* look, you Fucking Moore-on, Obviously they missed it because
they were targeting the *WHITE* *HOUSE*. Get it this time? I said it
*THREE* *FUCKING* *TIMES* *ALREADY*!!!! If they knew he was at the
*SCHOOL*, why did they target the *WHITE* *HOUSE*?
Because they WEREN'T trying to kill the president, you moron.
And they were headed for Washington for...
To destroy buildings and kill lots of people. Three
buildings were hit, and lots of people were killed.
But at the time of the attack, nobody KNEW that, so the
reasonable thing to do is assume that a publically-announced
photo-op is NOT a safe place.
But your comment about the "press not blabbing his location"
shows you didn't even KNOW that the president was at an
already-publicized photo-op, so now you're just trying to
backpedal so as to not look quite as stupid. But it isn't
working.
Yup. But the point is, they weren't tageting him. You just said so
yourself! So why get you're intestines in a knot?
Because, AT THE TIME, there was no way to know this.
There could have been, oh, a truck bomb driving to
the school at the same time, right?
You're contradicting
yourself. First you say they were targeting the President and that a
school was not a good place, now you're saying they weren't. Make up your
mind.
No, you're literally too stupid to argue with.
The school wasn't even a target, if it had been, Bush and a whole bunch of
kids would be dead. Whether he hi-tailed it out of there or not.
If the president had left and the school had been evacuated
promptly, that possibility would have been avoided.
Aside from all that, 3 years later it's a moot point anyway.
Yes; while the US was under attack, our pResident sat on
his worthless ***** and read a book about a goat.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "torresD" |
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24 Aug 2004 05:23:19 PM |
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Yes, he did.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:21:35 PM |
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In article <agohi099668q3s3vhenu6bmprkmm1ki9hj@4ax.com>, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> thought hard
and said:
Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?
I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for the
most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!
Ummm... excuse me. What the hell could Bush do?
Excuse himself, tell the class that it was wonderful to visit but that something
important had come up and he had to leave - then get the heck on the horn and
find out what was going on. Instead, he sat there like a piece of playdough
with a dumb look on his face, needing to have his handlers tell him what the
heck to do next.
The man is obviously not a leader.
Woods
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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22 Aug 2004 07:56:14 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:12:48 -0500, Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> thought hard
and said:
Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?
I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for the
most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!
Ummm... excuse me. What the hell could Bush do?
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
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24 Aug 2004 01:11:40 AM |
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Kerry grandfather found dead in public restroom!
Fred Kerry, Senator Kerry's Grandfather was found dead in a men's room
in Boston, a single bullet wound to the head.
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Below is from "Tour of Duty", a book about Senator Kerry:
The story of Richard Kerry's rise is one of overcoming obstacles. Born
in 1915 in Brookline, Massachusetts - the same Boston suburb where
John F. Kennedy was born two years later - Richard Kerry was a
handsome, erudite boy, always fighting against the odds. His father,
Fredrick A. Kerry, was actually a Czech Jew named Fritz Kohn who had
fled the aggressive Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1905, brutalized by
anti-Semitism... it seemed, to the outside world, that the Kerry
family exemplified the American dream.
That notion was brutally dispelled on November 23, 1921, when a
depressed Fred Kerry, wandered into the Copley Plaza Hotel in Boston,
walked into the men's room, and shot himself in the head.
from:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/tourofduty.htm
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda" |
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25 Aug 2004 02:05:13 PM |
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DemocRATs PANIC! Economy Is On A Roll ! Liberals Hate America!!
Watch the DemocRATs sink into despair, to cry out in the night and
gnash their teeth in great sorrow when they learn that the people are
doing very well -- that the country is experiencing sustained and
increasing good fortune: "The country is on a roll."
"The Bush Shall Appear In The Rose Garden For Four More." -Gospacho
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Greenspan Says U.S. Growth Solid
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By Glenn Somerville
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy has entered a sustainable
expansion that is creating some price pressures, but inflation does
not now pose a major threat, Federal Reserve (news - web sites)
Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) told Congress on Tuesday.
Greenspan said an apparent recent slip in consumer spending likely
stemmed from higher energy costs and will probably prove short-lived.
In remarks prepared for the Senate Banking Committee, the Fed chief
noted that policy-makers said in June that interest rates likely will
rise at a "measured" pace but said the U.S. central bank will respond
as needed to check inflation.
"Not only has economic activity quickened, but the expansion has
become more broad-based and has produced notable gains in employment,"
the Fed chief said in his semiannual review of monetary policy.
He said while some of the price pressures are due to temporary
factors, he couldn't be sure inflation would stay benign in the face
of low interest rates.
Economists saw his take on the economy as upbeat.
"It looks like Mr. Greenspan is saying the slowdown in the economy
will be short-lived and that suggests that the Fed will probably
continue to raise rates," said Gary Thayer, chief economist at A.G.
Edwards & Sons in St. Louis.
The dollar rose against the euro on Greenspan's remarks while bond
prices eased.
"The evident strengthening in demand that underlies this improved
performance doubtless has been a factor contributing to the rise in
inflation this year," Greenspan said. "But inflation also seems to
have been boosted by transitory factors such as the surge in energy
prices."
He said recent price increases appeared in many cases to be a result
of businesses attempting to raise profit margins rather than due to
increased production costs.
"For the moment, the modest upward path of unit labor costs does not
appear to threaten longer-term price stability, especially if current
exceptionally high profit margins begin to come under more intense
competitive pressures at home and from abroad," Greenspan said.
"But we cannot be certain that this benign environment will persist
and that there are not more deep-seated forces emerging as a
consequence of prolonged monetary accommodation," he added.
The Fed cut rates to a 1958 low of 1 percent by mid-2003 after a
13-step process that began in 2001. At its last policy session on June
29-30, it began reversing course by lifting its official federal funds
rate a quarter percentage point.
More rate rises are expected later this year, though analysts are
divided about the number and size. Greenspan said policy-makers will
be keeping a close eye on costs and prices as it weighs whether a
faster-operating economy generates more cost pressures.
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22 Aug 2004 10:40:54 PM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:12:48 -0500, Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> thought hard
and said:
Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?
I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for the
most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!
Ummm... excuse me. What the hell could Bush do?
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
Having to base your position on not frightening a few children proves how
weak your argument is, when compared to thousands of dead americans.
Why do you also feel that bush would need to explain himself to children
when matters of national security are at hand?
I know Bush is stupid, but do you think he is stupid enough that if he did
waste his time excusing himself, he would have said it in such a way that
it would have frightened children?
Your assumption that Bush would have frightened children only supports the
position that he is a fucking moron.
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23 Aug 2004 12:22:07 PM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn>...
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
Walt Smith
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24 Aug 2004 03:30:21 AM |
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(Firelock) wrote in message news:<d98390c0.0408230922.1c0d5c76@posting.google.com>...
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn>...
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
We pretty much do. When the talks with Japanese were declared failed
Roosevelt ordered the alert of all American military personnel and
asked the Chinese embassy to do the same. The highest suspicion was
of course an attack in the Phillipines but an order was sent to Pearl
to prepare for an imminent attack as well (other places were warned
too). The order arrived about an hour late. Roosevelt was up and
waiting and actually having a conference on the matter when the info
that Pearl had been hit came to him.
He went to congress to get a declaration of war made official. Of
some irony, Britain declared war on the Japanese before the Americans
did.
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24 Aug 2004 07:24:24 PM |
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(commutator) wrote in message news:<380b9069.0408240030.2ebb8da1@posting.google.com>...
firelock_ny@hotmail.com (Firelock) wrote in message news:<d98390c0.0408230922.1c0d5c76@posting.google.com>...
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
We pretty much do.
"Pretty much" != "he had live television cameras pointed
at his face at the time". Remember, this was a guy who
was able to control media access to the point that most
Americans didn't know he used a wheelchair - that kind
of privacy is unthinkable to a US president of today.
Walt Smith
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25 Aug 2004 01:22:20 AM |
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(Firelock) wrote in message news:<d98390c0.0408241624.2d9e02e6@posting.google.com>...
mikesantos15@hotmail.com (commutator) wrote in message news:<380b9069.0408240030.2ebb8da1@posting.google.com>...
(Firelock) wrote in message news:<d98390c0.0408230922.1c0d5c76@posting.google.com>...
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
We pretty much do.
"Pretty much" != "he had live television cameras pointed
at his face at the time". Remember, this was a guy who
was able to control media access to the point that most
Americans didn't know he used a wheelchair - that kind
of privacy is unthinkable to a US president of today.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
It wasn't privacy or abuse of political power. It was a sign of
respect that the media didn't show Roosevelt's chair.
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25 Aug 2004 08:05:20 AM |
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(commutator) wrote in message news:<380b9069.0408242222.58c5537e@posting.google.com>...
It wasn't privacy or abuse of political power. It was a sign of
respect that the media didn't show Roosevelt's chair.
I didn't say that it was abuse of political power, but it was
most certainly privacy - the media (and his political opponents)
respected Roosevelt enough that they usually allowed him his
privacy, something that you don't see happening today.
Walt Smith
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24 Aug 2004 07:55:37 PM |
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I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment.
Really, is that he had camera's focused on him.
This is the era of the internet, cellphone,
computers, digital cameras, cellphone cameras.
He should just go home to Crawford, Texas,
if a camera rattles him.
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| User: "Firelock" |
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25 Aug 2004 08:09:22 AM |
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"torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dsRWc.3043$Y%3.2085@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
Really, is that he had camera's focused on him.
This is the era of the internet, cellphone,
computers, digital cameras, cellphone cameras.
He should just go home to Crawford, Texas,
if a camera rattles him.
And you are at your charismatic best 24 hours a
day? The real world isn't Hollywood, too bad for
your sensibilities that this president didn't do
dramatic and dashing things on cue like your movie
heroes trained you to expect.
Walt Smith
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| User: "commutator" |
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26 Aug 2004 10:06:46 PM |
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(Firelock) wrote in message news:<d98390c0.0408250509.752e9025@posting.google.com>...
"torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dsRWc.3043$Y%3.2085@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
Really, is that he had camera's focused on him.
This is the era of the internet, cellphone,
computers, digital cameras, cellphone cameras.
He should just go home to Crawford, Texas,
if a camera rattles him.
And you are at your charismatic best 24 hours a
day? The real world isn't Hollywood, too bad for
your sensibilities that this president didn't do
dramatic and dashing things on cue like your movie
heroes trained you to expect.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
He didn't need to do anything dramatic nor dashing. He just needed to
act as if he were the man in charge of America because that's who he
was supposed to be. Read my other posts (88,90) in this thread and
you'll see where I'm coming from.
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24 Aug 2004 10:25:05 PM |
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Bill Clinton Emotionally Ready To Start Getting Blow Jobs Again!!!!!
Liberals Hate America!!!!!!!!
June 20, 2004.
NEW YORK - (APX) Six years after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, former
president Bill Clinton announced Friday that, at long last, he is
emotionally ready to start receiving blow jobs again. "It has been a
long, difficult road, but I am finally at a point in my life where I
can receive oral sex from a woman again," Clinton told reporters at a
democrat fund raising dinner in Little Rock. "After many years of
soul-searching and intensive therapy, I am now able to enjoy getting
blown without all that painful emotional baggage overshadowing what
should be a wonderful experience."
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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23 Aug 2004 09:26:26 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:07 -0700, Firelock wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn>...
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
LOL! Interesting point.
The fact of the matter is, the military was expecting the attack on Hawaii
or the Phillipines or the Marshalls a week earlier. This is the whole
reason the CIA was created! The Navy had some information, and the Army
had some information, and they were loathe to share it. The CIA was
created wihin weeks after Pearl Harbor so this would never happen again!
So who really failed?
We don't need Homeland Security. We need the CIA to do what it was created
to do!!!
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24 Aug 2004 04:19:36 PM |
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Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.24.00.22.47.740347@2am.cn>...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:07 -0700, Firelock wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn>...
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
LOL! Interesting point.
The fact of the matter is, the military was expecting the attack on Hawaii
or the Phillipines or the Marshalls a week earlier. This is the whole
reason the CIA was created! The Navy had some information, and the Army
had some information, and they were loathe to share it. The CIA was
created wihin weeks after Pearl Harbor so this would never happen again!
Well, no. The CIA didn't exist until 1947, and really didn't
have the powers of the CIA as we know it today until 1953.
Even the OSS ("Wild Bill" Donovan's WWII intelligence group,
seen by most as the precursor of the CIA) wasn't organized
until six months after the Pearl Harbor attack, and it never
really had jurisdiction over all foriegn intelligence operations,
what with the FBI, army and navy having operations all over
the world.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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24 Aug 2004 09:25:15 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:19:36 -0700, Firelock wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.24.00.22.47.740347@2am.cn>...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:07 -0700, Firelock wrote:
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.22.22.52.45.51176@2am.cn>...
I said the very same thing. Everyone who needed to be mobilized already
*was* mobilized! Bush may not have done exactly the right thing, but he
didn't scare the sh@t out of a schoolful of kids, either!
I think Bush's biggest problem was that live cameras were
on him at the moment. How many minutes did it take Roosevelt
to regain his composure and take action when the reports of
the Pearl Harbor attack reached him? We'll never know, as
presidents of past eras had the luxury of such privacy.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
LOL! Interesting point.
The fact of the matter is, the military was expecting the attack on Hawaii
or the Phillipines or the Marshalls a week earlier. This is the whole
reason the CIA was created! The Navy had some information, and the Army
had some information, and they were loathe to share it. The CIA was
created wihin weeks after Pearl Harbor so this would never happen again!
Well, no. The CIA didn't exist until 1947, and really didn't
have the powers of the CIA as we know it today until 1953.
Even the OSS ("Wild Bill" Donovan's WWII intelligence group,
seen by most as the precursor of the CIA) wasn't organized
until six months after the Pearl Harbor attack, and it never
really had jurisdiction over all foriegn intelligence operations,
what with the FBI, army and navy having operations all over
the world.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Sorry, I stand corrected. It was the OSS, but the President and Congress
called for it's creation within a week after the attack on PH. It took a
while to evolve into the CIA. And it was operational within 6 months.
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15 Aug 2004 07:00:04 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> wrote:
LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states to
sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting is under
attack?
Authority? Responsibility - yes.
After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.
So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best place
for the most important person in america to be?
So you think him running out screaming "I'll save the country, I'll save the country" was
the right thing to do? Rather than go into a defensive posture for 27 crummy minutes
waiting for the protective screens to be set up and the best move to make was being
reviewed and finalized?
Let me guess - you think it's better for you to die for your country rather than your
enemy die for his. Right?
DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to take
their thimbs out of their asses and respond?
For a totally unexpected and unprecedented act of war - yep. Question - how long did it
take the news media to broadcast nationwide what had just happened?
You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.
You are one sad individual if you can't look past your blind hate for
atheists to realize that this is a political discussion and not
religious, moron.
I don't hate atheists. I do feel very sorry for you that are blind. But when the most
intelligent comment in a discussion that I can get from an atheist is to be addressed as
"moron", then my case is made.
In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide
communications at his fingers in the classroom.
Really, dipshit?
Another deeply throughout response from an atheist.
You think that when the nation is at DEFCON 1 the ideal place for a
president to be is in a elementary school classroom?
Defcon 1? If that means war was occurring, we weren't at defcon 1. If it means the
lowest level of readiness, yep.
How can you be so fucking stupid?
check out your defcon 1 comment above.
This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an
emergency. If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should
be.
That President Bush did. Say thank you.
After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!
What is the world are you bleating about now?
He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should
have imagined a thousand times.
Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?
The means may have been novel but his lack of immediate action was
inexcusable!
WHAT immediate action? You watch too many movies for your education.
His ***** should have been off that chair immediately, apologized to the
class and news reporters and left to the nearest command post!
What command post?
Ohh, I guess that means conservatives are pussies who fall to their knees
at the drop of a hat. Why the hell would you disagree with his statement
moron, is it to weaken your already ludicrious apology for the
president's failure to react?
Go play with your toys, kid.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
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22 Aug 2004 09:55:20 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<s3juh0900shoa0en40sm50bbia355lp3lr@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 GMT, "H.D.S" <none@none.com> wrote:
LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states to
sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting is under
attack?
Authority? Responsibility - yes.
After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.
So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best place
for the most important person in america to be?
So you think him running out screaming "I'll save the country, I'll save the country" was
the right thing to do? Rather than go into a defensive posture for 27 crummy minutes
waiting for the protective screens to be set up and the best move to make was being
reviewed and finalized?
Here's the simlpe point everyone is making and you are not getting. A
school is not a defensive position. It has too many civilians (you
know the children), poor communications (phonelines, internet, usually
only one source of power, no generator) and it is unfortified. More
importantly everyone knew Bush was there therefore if an attack was on
it was pretty safe to assume a run for the prez would be aimed at the
White house and that school. Knowing this the secret service
requested authority to remove the prez immediately but were denied
(although the prez could have given that authority he was too busy
learning how to read). Also of note for EVERY public event the prez
attends a fall-back point is determined, this is secret service
policy. Whether the point is just another room in the school, a
nearby building or just the vehicle they arrived in (it's
bulletproof!!!)these points are decided so the prez is NOT in a KNOWN
location during an attack.
Secondly the best move did not need to be finalized. There is
basically a protocol in place which says that when airliners become
enemy-controlled and are being used by the enemy than suspect aircraft
should be asked to immediately enter holding patterns, maintain a
certain altitude, proceed to nearest airport and maintain
communications. Aircraft who refuse to comply are expendable (can be
shot down). The problem with the protocol is that the prez must issue
the order, he didn't.
He didn't have to run around like an idiot, all he had to do was issue
the order 'ground all aircraft'. After that he should have assessed
other threats. 'close the border', 'have the coast guard stop all
ships', 'I need to know if any other nations are mobilizing, acting
suspiciously or under attack', etc. At the least open communications
and listen in on what his subordinates were doing rather than sitting
and chilling.
Let me guess - you think it's better for you to die for your country rather than your
enemy die for his. Right?
DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to take
their thimbs out of their asses and respond?
For a totally unexpected and unprecedented act of war - yep. Question - how long did it
take the news media to broadcast nationwide what had just happened?
Yeah, the media reacted well. There job was to report news quickly
and they did. His was to act in an emergency and he didn't. And the
point is it was not at all unexpected/unprecendented. They have AA
around the prez because they KNOW this kind of action is possible.
FEMA and others listed hijack as one of the MOST likely forms of
terror attack, along with train derailment, smuggling in of CBW,
detonation of CBW via aircraft above targets, etc. As prez the
actions to take are clear.
1. Get to secure location
2. Get general information - i.e. what's happended?
3. Order actions that provide immediate relief (ground aircraft,
mobilize HAZMAT, issue an alert to citizens in X to take X
precautions, etc. depending on the scenario.
4. Gather more intel, meet with other important people of Gov or at
least get in personal contact with them.
5. Get their suggestions, lend presidential authority if they need it
- i.e. HAZMAT requests permission to quarantine X.
6. Continue gathering info.
It takes time to explain info gathered from one person to another, at
the very least the prez should have excused himself from the
classroom, went next-door and listened to what news was coming in.
You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.
You are one sad individual if you can't look past your blind hate for
atheists to realize that this is a political discussion and not
religious, moron.
I don't hate atheists. I do feel very sorry for you that are blind. But when the most
intelligent comment in a discussion that I can get from an atheist is to be addressed as
"moron", then my case is made.
Names mean nothing, if the only way you can dismiss an argument is
because it has colourful language in it than maybe you just don't have
a real counterpoint.
In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide
communications at his fingers in the classroom.
Really, dipshit?
Another deeply throughout response from an atheist.
He had wireless communications available. These can be jammed. He
should move to a location which does not depend on the battery
operated stuff the secret service is carrying around.
You think that when the nation is at DEFCON 1 the ideal place for a
president to be is in a elementary school classroom?
Defcon 1? If that means war was occurring, we weren't at defcon 1. If it means the
lowest level of readiness, yep.
The point was an ATTACK was occurring with little info on what other
countries were doing if should be considered an act of war until shown
otherwise. He was told America was under attack, he didn't even know
by whom, and he did little to find out. He assumed that everyone
would come and fill him in later and it'll all be good (this is being
VERY generous for the most part I think he just froze). Leaders cannt
freeze and they can't assume that they are not needed. At the least
he should be asking his subordinates "I know you guys know your jobs
so just tell me if there is anything you need my authority to do". If
he asked this than aircraft would have been grounded or taken out
before they hit the pentagon and NO (before you say it) this would not
have gotten innocent airliners taken out. Only two aircraft were not
in contact with their respective air traffic controllers (both
terrorist-controlled).
How can you be so fucking stupid?
check out your defcon 1 comment above.
This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an
emergency. If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should
be.
That President Bush did. Say thank you.
After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!
What is the world are you bleating about now?
Say thank you for what? He fucked up, pretty badly on that day.
He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should
have imagined a thousand times.
Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?
The means may have been novel but his lack of immediate action was
inexcusable!
WHAT immediate action? You watch too many movies for your education.
I listed the things he could have done. It's sad when Harrison Ford
from Executive Decision does a better job than the real prez.
His ***** should have been off that chair immediately, apologized to the
class and news reporters and left to the nearest command post!
What command post?
Fall back position, his vehicles, just left the fucking room so he
could talk to his staff about what was going on. There were a lot of
better places to be.
Ohh, I guess that means conservatives are pussies who fall to their knees
at the drop of a hat. Why the hell would you disagree with his statement
moron, is it to weaken your already ludicrious apology for the
president's failure to react?
Go play with your toys, kid.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
Seriously Duke, if you were prez at the time would you have sat around
gathering your thoughts, asking no questions nor moving when your aide
spoke into your ear and said "Mr. prez a second airliner has hit the
second tower. America is under attack."? Seriously, put yourself in
that room. Do you honestly think that what Bush did was the best that
could be done?
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22 Aug 2004 11:00:06 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<s3juh0900shoa0en40sm50bbia355lp3lr@4ax.com>...
So you think him running out screaming "I'll save the country,
I'll save the country" was the right thing to do?
Nobody has suggested that, you fucked-up excuse for an asswipe. Why
can't you get your fogged-up shitbox of a brain to actually deal with
the issue in a message instead of stomping blindly around muddying the
waters? In fact, this same advice ought to have been given to the
president.
Rather than go into a defensive posture for 27 crummy minutes
waiting for the protective screens to be set up and the best
move to make was being reviewed and finalized?
The best move to make was to calmly and quietly get up, announce to
the children that as president, his life is not his own and something
very important has just come up and he must go deal with it. Assure
everyone that it's not something for them to worry about but that it
is something that needs immediate attention, then head for Airforce
One and do his thinking while flying to a secure command location.
**IS THAT TOO FUCKING HARD EVEN FOR YOUR PIGSHIT MIND TO ENCOMPASS,
DUPED**?
Let me guess - you think it's better for you to die for
your country rather than your enemy die for his. Right?
This from the Internet's biggest ***** who claims to be a
"turn-the-other-cheek" Christian? What a fucking vacuous hypocrite
you truly are.
DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to take
their thimbs out of their asses and respond?
For a totally unexpected and unprecedented act of war - yep.
Then they're as fucked up as you are.
Question - how long did it
take the news media to broadcast nationwide what had just happened?
Question how the ***** is this relevant to anything? Are you under the
***** apprehension that the president had to wait to get his advice
from CNN before he could make a move?
I don't hate atheists. I do feel very sorry for you that are blind.
No one is more blind than a clueless shitwad like you who lives so
tightly bound in his pretty little box that he's totally unaware of
the real world outside, where his insignificant "box" is actually
nothing but a bag of *****.
Another deeply throughout response from an atheist.
Don't start down that road if you know what's good for you. I have a
collection of ***** knee-jerk ***** from you that I could
slather all over this thread.
You think that when the nation is at DEFCON 1 the ideal place for a
president to be is in a elementary school classroom?
Defcon 1? If that means war was occurring, we weren't at defcon 1.
If it means the lowest level of readiness, yep.
Duped doesn't even know what the DefCon system means yet feels
qualified to pontificate about it. Now whether we were technically
set at DefCon 1 is irrelevant given how many times Bush has said we're
fighting a **WAR** against terrorism.
WHAT immediate action? You watch too many movies for your education.
To get the ***** out of there and into a position where he can properly
determine what's going on, and communicate plans and decisions
promptly and directly - namely, on Airforce One, while flying to a
secure command location.
What command post?
That is a classic Duped comment. Always clueless, always out of his
element.
Budikka
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