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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"LMN"
Date:	13 Aug 2004 05:43:11 AM
Object:	Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11

John Kerry has waded into an issue raised by Michael Moore in his film
"Fahrenheit 9/11," namely, President Bush's sitting for seven minutes in a
Florida classroom after being told "the country is under attack." Republicans
are waxing indignant, of course. But the criticism is richly deserved.
The fact that Bush wasted 27 minutes that day - not only the seven minutes
reading to kids but 20 more at a photo op afterward - was, in my view, the most
outrageous thing a President has done since Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the
Supreme Court.
Watergate was outrageous but it still did not carry the possibility of utter
devastation, like a President's freezing at the very moment we needed his
immediate focus on an attack on the United States.
This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an emergency.
If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should be.
But it is not. Republicans are tying themselves in knots trying to defend Bush's
actions that morning. The excuses they put forward are absurd:
He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should have
imagined a thousand times. There is no time in the nuclear age for a President
to sit like Forrest Gump "gathering thoughts" after an attack has begun.
Gathering information is what he should have been doing.
From the White House press secretary: "The President felt he should project
strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening." I agree
that gaining a better understanding of what was happening should have been his
goal. What I don't get is how that goal was reached by just sitting there
instead of getting up and talking to people. Is he a psychic? Was he receiving
the information telepathically?
"He didn't want to scare the children." Vice President Cheney has said of Kerry,
"The senator from Massachusetts has given us ample reason to doubt the judgment
he brings to vital issues of national security." So Kerry's judgment is suspect,
but at a moment of national crisis, Bush's judgment was: Better not to scare 20
children momentarily than to react immediately to an attack on the country!
If he had just said, "Hey, kids, gotta go do some President business - be good
to your moms and dads, bye!" my guess is the kids would have survived.
I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can defend George
Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being clear-eyed and
decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect toughness.
But Bush choked at the most important moment a President could have. We're lucky
Al Qaeda had done its worst by the time he pulled himself away from the photo
op. Next time, it might not be that way.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/221433p-190107c.html
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	13 Aug 2004 03:55:41 PM

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few minutes. After all, they
had to react to the possibility that there was more coming, and there was in Washington,
so the Secret Service had to make plans for a deviation.
You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.

Watergate was outrageous but it still did not carry the possibility of utter
devastation, like a President's freezing at the very moment we needed his
immediate focus on an attack on the United States.

In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide communications at his fingers
in the classroom.
NOt a bright concern on your part.

This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an emergency.
If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should be.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should have
imagined a thousand times.

Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?

I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can defend George
Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being clear-eyed and
decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect toughness.

They again you obviously lack the knowledge to be bright about it.
Either you or one of your equally unknowing buddies suckered you into embarrassing
yourself.
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User: "raven1"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	13 Aug 2004 05:04:47 PM

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:55:41 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few minutes.

Excuse me? Are you insane? "Mr President, the country is under attack,
just sit on your hands and read a children's book, then take some
pictures and ignore what's going on" is hardly a likely response from
anyone with a functioning brain.

After all, they
had to react to the possibility that there was more coming, and there was in Washington,
so the Secret Service had to make plans for a deviation.

The Secret Service would have had to assume by any rational standard
that there was a plane heading right for the President, and get him
out of there immediately. In fact, they wanted to, but were overruled.

You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.

And you come up short on sanity. Sorry, Duke, but what you're
suggesting is ten bricks shy of a full load.

In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide communications at his fingers
in the classroom.

No, he didn't. That's part of the problem.

NOt a bright concern on your part.

This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an emergency.
If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should be.

That President Bush did.

He did no such thing. He sat listening to a children's book instead of
ordering fighters scrambled or *any other course of action at all*. He
did *nothing*. In the military, they'd court martial him for gross
dereliction of duty.

Say thank you.

"***** you".

He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should have
imagined a thousand times.

Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?

Excuse me? My ex happened to be across the street when the planes hit
the WTC, and she figured out *immediately* that we were under attack,
and told her co-workers to get away from the windows and evacuate the
office. What's Bush's excuse?

They again you obviously lack the knowledge to be bright about it.

Either you or one of your equally unknowing buddies suckered you into embarrassing
yourself.

The only thing embarrassing is in actually responding to such idiocy,
and I won't dignify you with any further attention. Bye, Duke.
<plonk>
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	14 Aug 2004 07:40:03 AM

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:04:47 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few minutes.

When the country sustains a blow of unparallel and unexpected proportions, it's wise to
stay in place. Idiots run out screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". It has
nothing to do with reading to children, but to stay put for a few minutes until the fog
settles and a realistic and safe decision is made.
That should not be too hard for you to comprehend.

After all, they
had to react to the possibility that there was more coming, and there was in Washington,
so the Secret Service had to make plans for a deviation.

And??? It was a totally unexpected and unparalleled event. Some say go, some say wait.
Sounder heads prevailed.

You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.

And you come up short on sanity. Sorry, Duke, but what you're
suggesting is ten bricks shy of a full load.

So what would you have told him to do if you were in charge of security?

In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide communications at his fingers
in the classroom.

No, he didn't. That's part of the problem.

Oh, give it a break. All communications have temporary glitches. The President goes
nowhere's without full communications.

This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an emergency.
If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should be.

That President Bush did.

No he didn't. He held position. A very wise thing to do for a few minutes.

Say thank you.

"***** you".

Gotcha.

He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should have
imagined a thousand times.

Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?

Excuse me?

You're excused.

My ex happened to be across the street when the planes hit
the WTC, and she figured out *immediately* that we were under attack,
and told her co-workers to get away from the windows and evacuate the
office. What's Bush's excuse?

Yet your x was not responsible for what was coming next. President Bush was. Sounder
heads prevailed.

The only thing embarrassing is in actually responding to such idiocy,
and I won't dignify you with any further attention. Bye, Duke.

So long turkey. Remember, plonking is for those that lack the ability to participate in a
discussion and not be embarrassed.
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User: "Phillip Brown"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 01:49:45 AM

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:55:41 -0500, duke wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few minutes.

And I bet Roosevelt was told to sit back and finished his lunch, before
reacting to the news of the attack on Pearl Harbour.

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there was more
coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service had to make
plans for a deviation.

Deviation?? From where??
They must have forgotten about that Airforce One thingy - you know, that
airborne command post that is designed to remain airborne more-or-less
indefinately.
phillip brown
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User: "Four! More! Years!"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 09:40:51 AM

"Phillip Brown" <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote

And I bet Roosevelt was told to sit back and finished
his lunch, before reacting to the news of the attack on
Pearl Harbour.

Roosevelt & Bush reacted differently.
Roosevelt: "Intelligence says the Japanese are going to
attack us. It looks like it'll happen at the Philippines.
Quick, contact MacCarthur and warn him. Tell him to
prepeare for such an attack."
Bush: "Intelligence is telling us that Al-Qaeda operatives
are inside the U.S. and working on a plan to hijack civilian
airliners. Intelligence also reports that these planes will
be crashed into buildings or other ground targets. Washington
is a likely target. I think I'll go on the longest Presidential
vacation in U.S. history. This being President stuff is hard!"
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User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 09:14:31 PM

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:40:51 -0400, Four! More! Years! wrote:

"Phillip Brown" <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote

And I bet Roosevelt was told to sit back and finished
his lunch, before reacting to the news of the attack on
Pearl Harbour.

Roosevelt & Bush reacted differently.

Roosevelt: "Intelligence says the Japanese are going to
attack us. It looks like it'll happen at the Philippines.
Quick, contact MacCarthur and warn him. Tell him to
prepeare for such an attack."

Bush: "Intelligence is telling us that Al-Qaeda operatives
are inside the U.S. and working on a plan to hijack civilian
airliners. Intelligence also reports that these planes will
be crashed into buildings or other ground targets. Washington
is a likely target. I think I'll go on the longest Presidential
vacation in U.S. history. This being President stuff is hard!"

Where did this crap come from???
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User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 11:18:28 PM

"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote

Bush: "Intelligence is telling us that Al-Qaeda operatives
are inside the U.S. and working on a plan to hijack civilian
airliners. Intelligence also reports that these planes will
be crashed into buildings or other ground targets. Washington
is a likely target. I think I'll go on the longest Presidential
vacation in U.S. history. This being President stuff is hard!"

Where did this crap come from???

Reality.
It's all on record.
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User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: Kerry Meeting With Communists Violated US Law, Says Author	24 Aug 2004 01:10:10 AM

Kerry Meeting With Communists Violated US Law, Says Author
By Marc Morano
The 1970 meeting that current Democratic presidential candidate John
Kerry conducted with North Vietnamese communists may have violated
several U.S. laws, according to an author and researcher who has
studied the issue.
Kerry met with representatives from "both delegations" of the
Vietnamese peace process in Paris in 1970, according to Kerry's own
testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22,
1971. But Kerry's meetings with the Vietnamese delegations were in
direct violation of laws which forbade private citizens from
negotiating with foreign powers, according to researcher and author
Jerry Corsi, who began studying the anti-war movement in the early
1970s.
According to Corsi, Kerry violated U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953. "A U.S.
citizen cannot go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power," Corsi
told
By Kerry's own admission, he met in 1970 with delegations from the
North Vietnamese communist government and discussed how the Vietnam
War should be stopped.
Kerry explained to Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman J.
William Fulbright in a question and answer session on Capitol Hill a
year after his Paris meetings that the war needed to be stopped
"immediately and unilaterally." Then Kerry added, "I have been to
Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is
to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional
Revolutionary Government (PVR)."
However, both of the delegations to which Kerry referred were
communist. Neither included the U.S. allied, South Vietnamese or any
members of the U.S. delegation. The Democratic Republic of Vietnam was
the government of the North Vietnamese communists and the Provisional
Revolutionary Government
was an arm of the North Vietnamese government that included the
Vietcong.
Kerry did meet face-to-face with the PVR's negotiator Madam Nguyen Thi
Binh, according to his presidential campaign spokesman Michael Meehan.
Madam Binh's peace plan was being proposed by the North Vietnamese
communists as a way to bring a quick end to the war.
But Corsi alleged that Kerry's meeting with Madam Binh and the
government of North Vietnam was a direct violation of U.S. law.
"In [Kerry's] first meeting in 1970, meeting with Madam Binh, Kerry
was still a naval reservist -- not only a U.S. citizen, but a naval
reservist -- stepping outside the boundaries to meet with one of the
principle figures of our enemy in Vietnam, Madam Binh, and the Viet
Cong at the same time. [Former Nixon administration aide Henry]
Kissinger was trying to negotiate with them formally," Corsi told
Corsi's recent essay, titled "Kerry and the Paris Peace Talks,"
published on wintersoldier.com, details Kerry's meetings and the
possible violations of U.S. law.
Corsi also asserted that by 1971, Kerry may have violated another law
by completely adopting the rhetoric and objectives of the North
Vietnamese communists.
"Article three: Section three [of the U.S. Constitution], which
defines treason, says you cannot give support to the enemy in time of
war and here you have Kerry giving a press conference in Washington on
July 22, 1971 (a year after his meeting with the communist delegations
in Paris) advocating the North Vietnamese peace plan and saying that
is what President Nixon ought to accept," Corsi explained.
"If Madam Binh had been there herself at that press conference, she
would have said exactly what Kerry said. The only difference is she
would not have done it with a Boston accent," Corsi said.
The 7 Point Plan, was created by the North Vietnamese communists and
was nothing more than a "surrender" for the U.S., according to Corsi.
"You don't advocate that [7 point] plan unless you are on the
communist side. It was seen as surrender. [The U.S.] would have had to
pay reparations and agree that we essentially lost the war," Corsi
said.
"Kerry was openly advocating that the communist position was correct
and that we were wrong. He had become a spokesman for the communist
party," Corsi added.
Kerry's presidential campaign did not return repeated phone calls
seeking comment, but campaign spokesman Michael Meehan told the Boston
Globe in March that, "Kerry had no role whatsoever in the Paris peace
talks or negotiations."
"He did not engage in any negotiations and did not attend any session
of the talks," Meehan added.
Kerry "went to Paris on a private trip, where he had one brief meeting
with Madam Binh and others. In an effort to find facts, he learned
that status of the peace talks from their point of view and about any
progress in resolving the conflict, particularly as it related to the
fate of the POWs," Meehan added. Kerry was reportedly on his honeymoon
with his first wife Julia Thorne when he met with the communist
delegations.
But Corsi does not accept the Kerry campaign's explanation.
"[Kerry spokesman] Meehan made it sound like they were just there on a
honeymoon and they got a meeting with Madam Binh, but not every
American honeymooner got to meet with Madam Binh. Unless you had a
political objective and they identified you as somebody as
sympathetic, you were not going to get invited to a meeting with Madam
Binh," Corsi said.
"Kerry has skirted with the issue of violating these laws," Corsi
added. "[The Kerry campaign is] trying to fudge on the issue because
they don't want to come clean on it entirely."
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Liberals Hate America!
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User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	25 Aug 2004 11:04:39 PM

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:18:28 -0400, JTEM wrote:

"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote

Where did this crap come from???

Reality.

It's all on record.

Can I have a hit off that 'reality'?
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User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	26 Aug 2004 12:21:47 AM

"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote

JTEM wrote:

"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote

Where did this crap come from???

Reality.

It's all on record.

Can I have a hit off that 'reality'?

Sure. No problem. Let's do it one 'hit' at a time.

Bush: "Intelligence is telling us that Al-Qaeda operatives
are inside the U.S. and working on a plan to hijack civilian
airliners.

| (CBS) President Bush was told in the months before the
| Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network
| might hijack U.S. passenger planes - information which
| prompted the administration to issue an alert to federal
| agencies - but not the American public.
| http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/16/attack/main509294.shtml

Intelligence also reports that these planes will
be crashed into buildings or other ground targets.
Washington is a likely target.

| WASHINGTON -- Exactly two years before the
| Sept. 11 attacks, a federal report warned the executive
| branch that Osama bin Laden's terrorists might hijack
| an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other
| government building.
| http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0517-06.htm

I think I'll go on the longest Presidential
vacation in U.S. history. This being President stuff
is hard!"

| The administration was explicitly warned in this memo that
| something big was coming. How did President Bush react
| at the time? He stayed - uninterrupted - on one of the
| longest presidential vacations in history.
| http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=45265
I hope you enjoyed your smoke.
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User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	13 Aug 2004 11:29:13 PM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states to
sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting is under
attack?

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.

So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best place
for the most important person in america to be?
DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to take
their thimbs out of their asses and respond?

You poor atheists really do come up short on planning.

You are one sad individual if you can't look past your blind hate for
atheists to realize that this is a political discussion and not
religious, moron.

Watergate was outrageous but it still did not carry the possibility of
utter devastation, like a President's freezing at the very moment we
needed his immediate focus on an attack on the United States.

In what way was the President hindered? He had world wide
communications at his fingers in the classroom.

Really, dipshit?
You think that when the nation is at DEFCON 1 the ideal place for a
president to be is in a elementary school classroom?
How can you be so fucking stupid?

This is an issue about the ultimate presidential duty, acting in an
emergency. If nothing else in Washington is nonpartisan, this should
be.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should
have imagined a thousand times.

Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?

The means may have been novel but his lack of immediate action was
inexcusable!
His ***** should have been off that chair immediately, apologized to the
class and news reporters and left to the nearest command post!

I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can
defend George Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being
clear-eyed and decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect
toughness.

They again you obviously lack the knowledge to be bright about it.

Ohh, I guess that means conservatives are pussies who fall to their knees
at the drop of a hat. Why the hell would you disagree with his statement
moron, is it to weaken your already ludicrious apology for the
president's failure to react?
--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
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User: "Brian Westley"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	14 Aug 2004 12:29:52 AM

"H.D.S" <none@none.com> writes:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states to
sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting is under
attack?

Especially since the circumstances are on videotape, and Andrew
Card, Bush's chief of staff, is seen on the tape talking to Bush
for a few seconds, and he's on the record as to exactly what he
said to Bush:
"And then word came that a second plane had hit and that the first plane
was a jetliner and the second plane was a jetliner," Card recalled. "And
I remember thinking to myself, what would I want to know if I were the
president?"
He decided Bush must be told quickly, carefully.
"I tried to be very, very efficient with my words, and I was consciously
efficient. I said, 'A second plane hit the second tower. America is
under attack."'
Card did his job by informing the president immediately.
Bush then chose to fiddle while NYC burned.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	15 Aug 2004 07:04:58 AM

On 14 Aug 2004 05:29:52 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:

Card did his job by informing the president immediately.
Bush then chose to fiddle while NYC burned.

Good playback. But what is 27 minutes worth while letting the fog clear when you have
instant communications and control of the military situation as well as possible. No
body knew what else was getting ready to happen. For all you know, there could have been
an infinite number of continuing events starting to happen. What good is done for those
27 minutes by running out screaming "the sky is falling".
He did the exact right thing. Let the fog clear a bit than take a thought out action.
duke
*****
1 Corinthians 4
15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in
Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ
Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
*****
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User: "Brian Westley"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	15 Aug 2004 01:42:22 PM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On 14 Aug 2004 05:29:52 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:

Card did his job by informing the president immediately.
Bush then chose to fiddle while NYC burned.

Right. When hijacked planes have already been flown into two buildings,
and two more are known to be hijacked, it's best for the only person who
can order them to be shot down to sit on his worthless ***** and do nothing
for half an hour.
Are you really a Democratic mole trying to make Bush supporters
look unbelievably dense? Because it's working.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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User: "Budikka"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	22 Aug 2004 11:03:13 PM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<o3kuh05mknh904chkknamsk3m0loifhgo2@4ax.com>...

He did the exact right thing. Let the fog clear a bit
than take a thought out action.

News flash: The fog has never cleared - not in your brain and not in
Bush's. What was this "thought out action"? Go invade Iraq on the
lie that they have nuclear and chemical weapons they can use within 45
minutes and needlessly kill 10,000 Iraqi civilians and 1,000 American
soldiers?
Budikka
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User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 12:37:22 AM

"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote

News flash: The fog has never cleared - not in your brain
and not in Bush's. What was this "thought out action"?
Go invade Iraq on the lie that they have nuclear and
chemical weapons they can use within 45 minutes and
needlessly kill 10,000 Iraqi civilians and 1,000 American
soldiers?

Don't be silly! That would be a flip-flop, as Bush said
many, many (many, many, many, many, many) times that
he would *Never* support "nation building." Bush stood
firm against the idea of using U.S. forces to bring democracy
to foreign nations.
And, oh, he also supported a states "right" to perform gay
marriages, that he was against budget deficits and that his
tax give-aways would primarily go to the middle class.
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User: "Budikka"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 04:22:54 PM

"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<U5KdnVi0b6inHLTcRVn-sg@comcast.com>...

Don't be silly! That would be a flip-flop, as Bush said
many, many (many, many, many, many, many) times that
he would *Never* support "nation building." Bush stood
firm against the idea of using U.S. forces to bring democracy
to foreign nations.

And, oh, he also supported a states "right" to perform gay
marriages, that he was against budget deficits and that his
tax give-aways would primarily go to the middle class.

Whatever it is that you're smoking, I want some! ;)
B.
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User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	23 Aug 2004 01:07:40 AM

"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in news:U5KdnVi0b6inHLTcRVn-
sg@comcast.com:

"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote

News flash: The fog has never cleared - not in your brain
and not in Bush's. What was this "thought out action"?
Go invade Iraq on the lie that they have nuclear and
chemical weapons they can use within 45 minutes and
needlessly kill 10,000 Iraqi civilians and 1,000 American
soldiers?

Don't be silly! That would be a flip-flop, as Bush said
many, many (many, many, many, many, many) times that
he would *Never* support "nation building." Bush stood
firm against the idea of using U.S. forces to bring democracy
to foreign nations.

And, oh, he also supported a states "right" to perform gay
marriages, that he was against budget deficits and that his
tax give-aways would primarily go to the middle class.

Bush, the model President.
--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
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User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	20 Aug 2004 10:14:48 PM

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com> wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states to
sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting is under
attack?

Advisors? That's what thy're there for. To sdvise the President.

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.

So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best place
for the most important person in america to be?

And who knew he was there. Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was headed
before some brave people caused it to crash?

DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to take
their thimbs out of their asses and respond?

"We gotta tell the whole world where the President is right now." Even the
idiotic PRESS in this country knew better than that! I'm sure if Bush were
somewhere by himself they would have released it right away, but at least
they used their heads (for ONCE) and spared some innocent kids!

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck and
Cover.
Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

He was "gathering his thoughts." This was a moment a President should
have imagined a thousand times.

Why, when the whole world was taken by surprise?

The means may have been novel but his lack of immediate action was
inexcusable!

His ***** should have been off that chair immediately, apologized to the
class and news reporters and left to the nearest command post!

I cannot see how someone who considers himself a conservative can
defend George Bush's inaction. Conservatives pride themselves on being
clear-eyed and decisive. They don't do nuance, and they respect
toughness.

They again you obviously lack the knowledge to be bright about it.

User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!	22 Aug 2004 01:09:29 PM

Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!
You've heard that John Kerry voted against most of the defense
programs that are being used by our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq
today. Do you want a list? Of course you do. So ... here we go with
a list of some of the weapons programs that John Kerry opposed while
serving in the U.S. Senate: (Remember now ... John Kerry says that
this review of his voting record in the Senate is "attacking his
patriotism.")
The B-1 bomber.
The B-2 bomber.
The F-15 Eagle tactical fighter
The F-14D Tomcat fighter
The AH-64 Apache Helicopter
The AV-8B Harrier "jump" jet
The Patriot Missile
The Aegis air-defense system
The Trident missile
Kerry also sought to reduce the funding for procurement of the
following:
The M1 Abrams tank
The Bradley Fighting Vehicle
The Tomahawk cruise missile
The F-16 Falcon fighter/attack jet
Now ... don't you wonder just how our military would have handled
things in Kuwait, Bosnia, Afghanistan and now Iraq without these
weapons programs? And you want this man to be our Commander in Chief?
I sure hope not. Sure you do, if you HATE the military too!
--
Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
Liberals HATE America!
.

User: "%"
Title: Re: Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!	22 Aug 2004 02:40:54 PM

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:29 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:

Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!

You've heard that John Kerry voted against most of the defense
programs that are being used by our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq
today. Do you want a list? Of course you do. So ... here we go with
a list of some of the weapons programs that John Kerry opposed while
serving in the U.S. Senate: (Remember now ... John Kerry says that
this review of his voting record in the Senate is "attacking his
patriotism.")

The B-1 bomber.
The B-2 bomber.
The F-15 Eagle tactical fighter
The F-14D Tomcat fighter
The AH-64 Apache Helicopter
The AV-8B Harrier "jump" jet
The Patriot Missile
The Aegis air-defense system
The Trident missile

Kerry also sought to reduce the funding for procurement of the
following:

The M1 Abrams tank
The Bradley Fighting Vehicle
The Tomahawk cruise missile
The F-16 Falcon fighter/attack jet

Now ... don't you wonder just how our military would have handled
things in Kuwait, Bosnia, Afghanistan and now Iraq without these
weapons programs? And you want this man to be our Commander in Chief?
I sure hope not. Sure you do, if you HATE the military too!

Then there were all of the ways that the littlest president shafted
the troops:
http://gwbush2004.republican.com
talk about HATING the military....
.

User: "qwerty"
Title: Re: Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!	22 Aug 2004 06:24:02 PM

"%" <president@whitehorse.gov> wrote in message
news:dkthi0hikusm7dsnarqd3q584usih0lfge@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:29 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:

Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!

You've heard that John Kerry voted against most of the defense
programs that are being used by our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq
today.

Claim: Senator John Kerry "voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988."
Status: False.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
.

User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!	22 Aug 2004 07:54:25 PM

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:29 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
Due respect, what does this have to do with this thread?

Kerry Hates the Military! Liberals Hate America!!!!!

You've heard that John Kerry voted against most of the defense
programs that are being used by our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq
today. Do you want a list? Of course you do. So ... here we go with
a list of some of the weapons programs that John Kerry opposed while
serving in the U.S. Senate: (Remember now ... John Kerry says that
this review of his voting record in the Senate is "attacking his
patriotism.")

The B-1 bomber.
The B-2 bomber.
The F-15 Eagle tactical fighter
The F-14D Tomcat fighter
The AH-64 Apache Helicopter
The AV-8B Harrier "jump" jet
The Patriot Missile
The Aegis air-defense system
The Trident missile

Kerry also sought to reduce the funding for procurement of the
following:

The M1 Abrams tank
The Bradley Fighting Vehicle
The Tomahawk cruise missile
The F-16 Falcon fighter/attack jet

Now ... don't you wonder just how our military would have handled
things in Kuwait, Bosnia, Afghanistan and now Iraq without these
weapons programs? And you want this man to be our Commander in Chief?
I sure hope not. Sure you do, if you HATE the military too!

User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	20 Aug 2004 11:57:57 PM

Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.21.01.11.30.560766@2am.cn:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com>
wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states
to sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting
is under attack?

Advisors? That's what thy're there for. To sdvise the President.

Wrong.
Advisors advise, they do not have the authroity to command the president.

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.

So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best
place for the most important person in america to be?

And who knew he was there.

The press, children and therefore their parents, school principal,
teachers, all of bush's staff...
You can't put such an event together at the drop of a hat.

Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?

I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for the
most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under attack?
The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!

DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to
take their thimbs out of their asses and respond?

"We gotta tell the whole world where the President is right now." Even
the idiotic PRESS in this country knew better than that! I'm sure if
Bush were somewhere by himself they would have released it right away,
but at least they used their heads (for ONCE) and spared some innocent
kids!

Can you read? Where did I say tell anyone??
I said that it shouldn't take the secret service 27 minutes to evac the
president.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck and
Cover.

Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

LMFAO
The nation is under attack, hundreds of americans are dead (thousands to
follow), and you give a ***** about the feelings of a few elementary
school children?!
So you are saying the president decided it was more important for the
children to feel secure then it was TO IMMEDIATELY ACT TO STOP MORE
AMERICANS FROM DYING?!
dumbass.
--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
.

User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	21 Aug 2004 04:26:14 PM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.21.01.11.30.560766@2am.cn:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com>
wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united states
to sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of protecting
is under attack?

Advisors? That's what thy're there for. To sdvise the President.

Wrong.

Advisors advise, they do not have the authroity to command the president.

No they don't. But I'm sure they told him to sit tight until the smoke
cleared.

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret Service
had to make plans for a deviation.

So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best
place for the most important person in america to be?

They had no clue where he was. These people don't give a F^@k about
*anything*. If they knew Bush had been at that school, the school would
have been leveled. These are the children of Infidels, remember?

And who knew he was there.

The press, children and therefore their parents, school principal,
teachers, all of bush's staff...

You can't put such an event together at the drop of a hat.

Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?

I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for the
most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under attack?

You implyiing they knew about the attack before hand? When, where, by who?
Maybe they did, but what could they do?
It's obvious the attack was a complete surprise. You don't think if they
did they'd have had constant flights by the AF looking for somwthing
unusual?
It's not like the theory of FDR allowing the Japs to attack Pearl Harbor.

The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!

DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to
take their thimbs out of their asses and respond?

"We gotta tell the whole world where the President is right now." Even
the idiotic PRESS in this country knew better than that! I'm sure if
Bush were somewhere by himself they would have released it right away,
but at least they used their heads (for ONCE) and spared some innocent
kids!

Can you read? Where did I say tell anyone??

I wasn't quoting you , dude, I was being facetious about Tom Brokaw and
the like. Like the idiots at the NYTimes that blew the cover of the
operative helping us with data.

I said that it shouldn't take the secret service 27 minutes to evac the
president.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck and
Cover.

Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

LMFAO

The nation is under attack, hundreds of americans are dead (thousands to
follow), and you give a ***** about the feelings of a few elementary
school children?!

So you are saying the president decided it was more important for the
children to feel secure then it was TO IMMEDIATELY ACT TO STOP MORE
AMERICANS FROM DYING?!

dumbass.

And he would have done??????
These were, what? Fourth graders? Would have been a real good idea to
scare them out of their wits, right?
.

User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	21 Aug 2004 05:12:42 PM

Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.21.19.22.50.471376@2am.cn:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 04:57:57 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.21.01.11.30.560766@2am.cn:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:29:13 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ecaqh05t81ov2fr7n6i2ed4sls5b2oq9mr@4ax.com:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:11 GMT, LMN <larsmn@haaaaatmail.com>
wrote:

Say, buddy, how do you know he wasn't told to sit by for a few
minutes.

LOL, who has the authority to tell the president of the united
states to sit idley by while the nation he was put in charge of
protecting is under attack?

Advisors? That's what thy're there for. To sdvise the President.

Wrong.

Advisors advise, they do not have the authroity to command the
president.

No they don't. But I'm sure they told him to sit tight until the smoke
cleared.

Until the bodies stopped smoldering?

After all, they had to react to the possibility that there
was more coming, and there was in Washington, so the Secret
Service had to make plans for a deviation.

So you think being stationary in an undefended school is the best
place for the most important person in america to be?

They had no clue where he was. These people don't give a F^@k about
*anything*. If they knew Bush had been at that school, the school
would have been leveled. These are the children of Infidels, remember?

Hereby confirming my statement that being in a school IS NOT THE SAFEST
PLACE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO BE!!

And who knew he was there.

The press, children and therefore their parents, school principal,
teachers, all of bush's staff...

You can't put such an event together at the drop of a hat.

Remeber where the "Let's Roll" plane was
headed before some brave people caused it to crash?

I'm sorry, you actually believe that a school is the best place for
the most valuable asset in our country to be when we are under
attack?

You implyiing they knew about the attack before hand? When, where, by
who? Maybe they did, but what could they do?

No, i'm not.

It's obvious the attack was a complete surprise. You don't think if
they did they'd have had constant flights by the AF looking for
somwthing unusual?

It's not like the theory of FDR allowing the Japs to attack Pearl
Harbor.

Military tactics 101;
If you are a target, don't stand still!
The president was a target, whether they knew he was in a school or not
is irrelevant.
1. A school is not a safe place.
2. The president is useless to his military forces and nation stuck in a
school while under attack.
3. He does not have the nations resources at his hands if he could do
something about it.
It seems you are arguing that since it happened as a surprise and
suddenly the president should just sit back and wait for the attack to
end.

The president should have been brought to a bunker or other secure
location immediately, not waiting to see where the next plane hits!

DO you really think it takes 27 minutes for the secret service to
take their thimbs out of their asses and respond?

"We gotta tell the whole world where the President is right now."
Even the idiotic PRESS in this country knew better than that! I'm
sure if Bush were somewhere by himself they would have released it
right away, but at least they used their heads (for ONCE) and spared
some innocent kids!

Can you read? Where did I say tell anyone??

I wasn't quoting you , dude, I was being facetious about Tom Brokaw
and the like. Like the idiots at the NYTimes that blew the cover of
the operative helping us with data.

Sarcasm does not come across well through postings.

I said that it shouldn't take the secret service 27 minutes to evac
the president.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck
and Cover.

Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

LMFAO

The nation is under attack, hundreds of americans are dead (thousands
to follow), and you give a ***** about the feelings of a few
elementary school children?!

So you are saying the president decided it was more important for the
children to feel secure then it was TO IMMEDIATELY ACT TO STOP MORE
AMERICANS FROM DYING?!

dumbass.

And he would have done??????

These were, what? Fourth graders? Would have been a real good idea to
scare them out of their wits, right?

Dead americans.... frightened children
Who really gives a damn about a class of scared children.
Besides he could of just left, the president doesn't need to explain
himself to children.
It seems you prefer a president to just sit back and wait for an attack
to finish *before* he acts.
I prefer a competent president who acts to prevent more death rather then
wait for his own safety to be confirmed.
--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
.

User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	21 Aug 2004 11:11:43 PM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:12:42 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

I wasn't quoting you , dude, I was being facetious about Tom Brokaw
and the like. Like the idiots at the NYTimes that blew the cover of
the operative helping us with data.

Sarcasm does not come across well through postings.

Correct It doesn't.

I said that it shouldn't take the secret service 27 minutes to evac
the president.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck
and Cover.

Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

LMFAO

The nation is under attack, hundreds of americans are dead (thousands
to follow), and you give a ***** about the feelings of a few
elementary school children?!

So you are saying the president decided it was more important for the
children to feel secure then it was TO IMMEDIATELY ACT TO STOP MORE
AMERICANS FROM DYING?!

dumbass.

And he would have done??????

These were, what? Fourth graders? Would have been a real good idea to
scare them out of their wits, right?

Dead americans.... frightened children

Who really gives a damn about a class of scared children.

Besides he could of just left, the president doesn't need to explain
himself to children.

It seems you prefer a president to just sit back and wait for an attack
to finish *before* he acts.

I prefer a competent president who acts to prevent more death rather then
wait for his own safety to be confirmed.

Sooooo...WHAT WOULD HE HAVE DONE!!!! The miltary was already mobilized.
And yes, frightened schoolchildren are a big thing! What could he have
done, other than run with his tail between his legs?
Obviously the enemy didn't know where he was because they were targeting
Washington. By that time airports were shut down and the nation was on
high alert, the building was surrounded by Secret Service, and the
National Guard alerted. What was left to do?
Ok, so 'frinstance, the enemy figures out where he is. Maybe some of them
*do* have consciences, I doub't it, but for sake of example. So, Prez
leaves the building immediately with a large entourage of big black
Caddies and SUVs. Looks like a moveable feast to me! Even if they didn't
*know* where he was, a parade like that, once it gets moving isn't too
hard to pinpoint.
<They're out to get the President! Let's put him on the road right now,
before we're sure of the situation!> Common Sense.
And you *know* I'm right!
.

User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	21 Aug 2004 11:50:49 PM

Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in
news:pan.2004.08.22.02.08.18.30854@2am.cn:

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:12:42 +0000, H.D.S wrote:

I wasn't quoting you , dude, I was being facetious about Tom Brokaw
and the like. Like the idiots at the NYTimes that blew the cover of
the operative helping us with data.

Sarcasm does not come across well through postings.

Correct It doesn't.

I said that it shouldn't take the secret service 27 minutes to evac
the president.

That President Bush did. Say thank you.

After his photo shoot and the death of some 400 airline
passengers!

Sorry, kids, the nation is under attack. Gotta go! Oh, yeah, Duck
and Cover.

Geeze, it ain't Rocket Science!!!

LMFAO

The nation is under attack, hundreds of americans are dead
(thousands to follow), and you give a ***** about the feelings of a
few elementary school children?!

So you are saying the president decided it was more important for
the children to feel secure then it was TO IMMEDIATELY ACT TO STOP
MORE AMERICANS FROM DYING?!

dumbass.

And he would have done??????

These were, what? Fourth graders? Would have been a real good idea
to scare them out of their wits, right?

Dead americans.... frightened children

Who really gives a damn about a class of scared children.

Besides he could of just left, the president doesn't need to explain
himself to children.

It seems you prefer a president to just sit back and wait for an
attack to finish *before* he acts.

I prefer a competent president who acts to prevent more death rather
then wait for his own safety to be confirmed.

Sooooo...WHAT WOULD HE HAVE DONE!!!!

I'm not privy to the emergency plans when the nation is under attack.
But I can guarantee that the president could have done more then just sit
there on his *****.

The miltary was already
mobilized. And yes, frightened schoolchildren are a big thing!

Why do you continue to believe the president would have to explain
himself to children. If they would be frightened don't tell them and just
leave!
Besides, if you consider a class room of frightened children to be a "big
thing" you have a very poor grasp of the larger picture.

What
could he have done, other than run with his tail between his legs?

Straw man.
Did I say retreat in cowardice?
No I said to get off his ***** and go to a command center. WHERE THE
PRESIDENT BELONGS AT A TIME OF WAR!! Not in some classroom waiting for
news on how many people have died.

Obviously the enemy didn't know where he was because they were
targeting Washington. By that time airports were shut down and the
nation was on high alert, the building was surrounded by Secret
Service, and the National Guard alerted. What was left to do?

Get to somewhere where he could be of use.

Ok, so 'frinstance, the enemy figures out where he is. Maybe some of
them *do* have consciences, I doub't it, but for sake of example. So,
Prez leaves the building immediately with a large entourage of big
black Caddies and SUVs. Looks like a moveable feast to me! Even if
they didn't *know* where he was, a parade like that, once it gets
moving isn't too hard to pinpoint.

I see. So you think it would be easy for a plane full of terrorists to
identify a moving caravan of cars, know it was the president's, redirect
in flight, target and hit the convoy all at 500mph and 20,000 feet??
Give me a break.
ANd as I said earlier, if you are a target, do not stand still!!
A stationary president in a large building is an easy target, regardless
if they knew he was there or not.

<They're out to get the President! Let's put him on the road right
now, before we're sure of the situation!> Common Sense.

Your road argument has no substance.
Keeping the most valuable asset in the nation in an undefended stationary
location is reckless.

And you *know* I'm right!

If I know you are right, why the ***** would I be wasting my time arguing
against your ludicrous position?
--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
.

User: "Enkidu"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	22 Aug 2004 12:27:38 AM

"H.D.S" <none@none.com> wrote in
news:Xns954CBFF524198nonenonecom@66.75.162.198:

Sooooo...WHAT WOULD HE HAVE DONE!!!!

Perhaps nothing. But he couldn't have known that then.

I'm not privy to the emergency plans when the nation is under attack.

But I can guarantee that the president could have done more then just
sit there on his *****.

Think about that for a moment. This president is most effective sitting
on his ***** . . . at least he isn't fucking something up.

The military was already
mobilized. And yes, frightened schoolchildren are a big thing!

Why do you continue to believe the president would have to explain
himself to children. If they would be frightened don't tell them and
just leave!

*****, it would be know problem leaving. He could have simply said
something came up. teachers do this all the time. "Sorry, kids, I've
got to take care of something. Mr. Jones will take over for me."

Besides, if you consider a class room of frightened children to be a
"big thing" you have a very poor grasp of the larger picture.

The kids would not have been frightened. They would have enjoyed a
replacement, one who reads on his own, for pleasure.

What
could he have done, other than run with his tail between his legs?

Straw man.

No, that's a good question. What could he have done? He didn't know
what he could be doing. He didn't find out.

Did I say retreat in cowardice?

No I said to get off his ***** and go to a command center. WHERE THE
PRESIDENT BELONGS AT A TIME OF WAR!! Not in some classroom waiting for
news on how many people have died.

Rally, though, with this president, he might have nuked Utah. Sitting
on his ***** may have been best for all of us.

Get to somewhere where he could be of use.

Or find out if he needed to take some action. But he's never made the
right move in his life. Perhaps he knew he would only ***** up, so he
did nothing.

Ok, so 'frinstance, the enemy figures out where he is. Maybe some of
them *do* have consciences, I doubt it, but for sake of example. So,
Prez leaves the building immediately with a large entourage of big
black Caddies and SUVs. Looks like a moveable feast to me! Even if
they didn't *know* where he was, a parade like that, once it gets
moving isn't too hard to pinpoint.

This is really reaching. In any event, removing himself from a school
would have been a moral necessity if he felt he was a target. I would
never knowingly draw fire to a school. What honorable man would?

He's rationalising. Rational thought is not part of his tool kit.

And as I said earlier, if you are a target, do not stand still!!

Not around children, unless you use them as human shields. Would our
president do that? Even he is not that low. Just stunned.

A stationary president in a large building is an easy target,
regardless if they knew he was there or not.

<They're out to get the President! Let's put him on the road right
now, before we're sure of the situation!> Common Sense.

Your road argument has no substance.

Keeping the most valuable asset in the nation in an undefended
stationary location is reckless.

GWB is the nation's most valuable asset? That's a sad prospect.

And you *know* I'm right!

The word you are looking for is "stupid", not "right".

If I know you are right, why the ***** would I be wasting my time
arguing against your ludicrous position?

He's stupid.
--
Enkidu aa 2165
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That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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User: "H.D.S"
Title: Re: Bush Blew It the Morning of 9/11	22 Aug 2004 12:54:43 AM

Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns954CE4804919Ao5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:

"H.D.S" <none@none.com> wrote in
news:Xns954CBFF524198nonenonecom@66.75.162.198:

Sooooo...WHAT WOULD HE HAVE DONE!!!!

Perhaps nothing. But he couldn't have known that then.

I'm not privy to the emergency plans when the nation is under attack.

But I can guarantee that the president could have done more then just
sit there on his *****.

Think about that for a moment. This president is most effective

sitting

on his ***** . . . at least he isn't fucking something up.

Lol, yeah, but this was before most of us knew what a *****-up he really
is.
I always believed he was a moron, but not reckless enough to go to war to
settle a grudge.
[snip]

A stationary president in a large building is an easy target,
regardless if they knew he was there or not.

<They're out to get the President! Let's put him on the road right
now, before we're sure of the situation!> Common Sense.

Your road argument has no substance.

Keeping the most valuable asset in the nation in an undefended
stationary location is reckless.

GWB is the nation's most valuable asset? That's a sad prospect.

GWB is probably the least valuable asset, but I meant the position itself
President of the United States.

And you *know* I'm right!

The word you are looking for is "stupid", not "right".

If I know you are right, why the ***** would I be wasting my time
arguing against your ludicrous position?

He's stupid.

--
Read the Bible, because we need more atheists.
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