In article <MPG.1cb60e047eff6c039896b5@news.individual.net>, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <gKOdnUCHW-LeyNHfRVn-1Q@comcast.com>,

Or black babies in Texas?

No self-respecting "Christian" would deny a black baby his swift
arrival at the side of Jesus.

The swifter the better.

Especially if they have no money, apparently.

End poverty by attrition.

Fred Stone wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:424C58D4.39C49E8D@serv.net:

MarkA wrote:

Following Terri Shiavo's much overdue death, our imperious
President Bush has called for a "culture of life..."

But mind you, his "culture of life" centers on executing people

killing folks who get annoyed that we've invaded their country.

Executing heinous murderers and fighting back against people who

to kill us. Yes, that is also a culture of life. Life for peaceful
folks who want to live in a civilized society that values their
safety as much as their freedom.

I'm all for breaking the bones of muggers, when possi^H^H^H^H^H
necessary.

But you apparently have mistaken the Iraqis for people who attacked
us,

No mistake. We are no longer at war with "the Iraqis".

The point is, we attacked a country that was not preparing to attack
us. We invaded a country, crossing internationally recognized borders,
because Bush didn't like saddam and the neocons have an American
Empire agenda that started with Iraq. Perl, Wolfowitz, Rove, and
company have wanted Iraq for years. We did not initiate a "preemptive
strike"; we simply invaded. This is wrong.

The "folks who
get annoyed that we've invaded their country" do not represent nor
have the support of the Iraqi people nor are they any sort of
legitimate opposition party to the legitimate government of Iraq.

Largely true. But most Iraqis also blame us for their current
situation.

How many years can they live like this? We still don't know
the repercussions for all of this. I have hopes, but am not yet
optimistic.

and have confused overextending the military with security.

The military isn't overextended. And it's getting *less* extended all
the time, as more Iraqi troops come online.

I wasn't talking about the military overextended in *Iraq, altho
that's true, and it is getting better, now that Bush is following his
generals' two-year old advice. I was talking about our military as a
whole. Because we have nearly all of our "free" troops tied up in
Iraq, we have no elbow room if there is serious trouble elsewhere that
requires a military response. For example, what do we do if North
Korea loses it?

And a
bad defense attorney doesn't make it more certain that an accused
is guilty; it only means that he is more likely to be *found
guilty.

We've heard about a few cases of bad legal counsel, but they are not
the majority of cases, they're just the ones the media like to hype.

Maybe they're not the majority, but they exist. Bush exhibited total
disinterest at the possibility of false positives in death row, even
though a significant percentage can be double-checked by DNA. Quite a
few people around the country have been exonerated, but Bush dismissed
the possiblity of Texas having made any mistakes while he was
governor.

I'm not at all convinced alienating the entire world, becoming
*more dependent on foreign oil, and increasing our debt to Japan
and China inhances our prosperity or political influence, either.

I'm not at all convinced that we have alienated the entire world,

Perhaps you might try reading a few foreign editorials.

They're
readily available now on the web. Does "freedom fries" ring a bell,
or "French surrender monkeys"?

nor
that we are becoming any more dependant on foreign oil than we would
have anyway.

OK, point. I will not assert that if we had elected someone else it
would be different. But a man who grew up with Ken Lay eating at the
family dinner does not inspire confidence in this matter. Nor does a
second oil man, Cheney, who sets up energy policy in secret, with
criminal CEOs, whose former (and next?) company is making billions in
the Iraqi war.

I think you're a bit confused about the role of a trade
deficit and investment in Federal securities in the world economy.

Do you think that it does not require trust and confidence in the
strength of the American dollar? If the US dollar becomes too
devalued, and we get too in debt, with no battle plan for economic
health on the horizon, I can see China and Japan calling in their
IOUs.

Do you remember the dot-com boom and bust? How about the
inflated real estate prices of the 80s, and its subsequent bust?

China can do great harm to us without firing a single round. They can
even do it without intending to.

Le Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:55:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :

No mistake. We are no longer at war with "the Iraqis". The "folks who
get annoyed that we've invaded their country" do not represent nor
have the support of the Iraqi people nor are they any sort of
legitimate opposition party to the legitimate government of Iraq.

Where are those Iraqi that support your bloody war? In the warehouse
with all the WMDs?

Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in
news:m2oecy5de6.fsf@stitch.tukla.net:

Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> writes:

Fred Stone wrote:

Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:424C58D4.39C49E8D@serv.net:

MarkA wrote:

Following Terri Shiavo's much overdue death, our imperious
President Bush has called for a "culture of life..."

But mind you, his "culture of life" centers on executing people and
killing folks who get annoyed that we've invaded their country.

Executing heinous murderers and fighting back against people who try
to kill us. Yes, that is also a culture of life. Life for peaceful
folks who want to live in a civilized society that values their
safety as much as their freedom.

You sound more and more like Duke.

Unfortunately, Fred believes in the Republican Party as feverishly
and irrationally as Duke believes in the RCC. That's especially
bizarre when you consider how much of the GOP is run by religious
zealots just like the ones he blasts here every day.

Fortunately, I do not "believe in" the Republican Party. I support
certain policies of theirs, and do not support others. You won't see me
pushing for a ban on abortion or pressing for the Ten Commandments in
schools or courthouses. It's just that you Democratic supporters have
such irrational views of the policies that I do support.