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29 Jun 2005 12:09:22 AM |
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Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
Doesn't sound like Mr. Bush plans on bringing our troops home anytime
soon. Get ready for Jeb in 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/29/politics/29prexy.html?hp&ex=1120104000&en=01a60703b5ae27e5&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It'
FORT BRAGG, N.C., June 28 - President Bush, facing a growing
restiveness around the country and in his own party over the constant
stream of casualties in Iraq, declared Tuesday night that the daily
sacrifice of American lives in Iraq "is worth it, and it is vital to
the future security of our country."
Members of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., Tuesday
night during President Bush's address on the war on terrorism. He gave
no timetable for American withdrawal.
In an address to the nation from this Army base, in front of 750
members of the 82nd Airborne Division and the Army's Special Operations
unit based here, Mr. Bush spoke in somber tones of the need for staying
power in what has become a long conflict in Iraq. As he has in the
past, the president melded the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks with
the enemies Americans now face in Iraq.
Mr. Bush gave no timetables for American withdrawal other than an
assurance that "as the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down."
While offering no new strategies in a war that has now stretched for 25
months, with no diminishing of attacks on American forces, he explained
that he would not send more troops to face the insurgency in Iraq,
unless asked by commanders there, because it would "undermine our
strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight."
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 11:50:43 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:43:27 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120229007.503476.161360@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
And most of those that ***** that we should have captured Bin Laden by
now, like Bill Baker, are the same ones that insist he must be
captured and brought to a trial. That is exactly the approach we took
in the past. The Sudan offered to give up Bin Laden during the Clinton
administration. Janet Reno and Albright argued there was no legal
authority on which to act, it would violate international law, etc, so
they did nothing. And now, after 9/11 liberals still want to treat
this like a criminal case, complete with lawyers and trials. They are
more concerned about if someone kicked the koran around in Guantanamo
and investigating that, than killing terrorists. This is WAR and
thank God the American people elected a president who treats it that
way.
Yeah, I like the way he just took charge and went in and killed Osama bin
Laden where he stood. Oh, wait...
And then they conveniently overloook that Bin Laden is in hinding in
countries where we have little choice except to work within the
parameters of that country. I asked before, and have yet to see a
response, do those that are bitching think we should invade Pakistan,
to see if we can find him?
If we have solid evidence that he is hiding there, sure.
What is their plan for capturing him, that we aren't already doing?
Back in the Clinton administration, we had a live video shot of him at a
training camp in Afghanistan. Clinton chose not to act, because it was
uncertain he could be taken out successfully and he was concerned about
collateral damage. Did you ***** about that? Did you ***** that they
discussed killing him in an airstrike, rather than bringing him to
trial? Or do you just want to ***** now for political purposes, over
petty BS, trying to undermine the commander in chief in a time of war?
You're forgetting that OBL was the mastermind behind 9/11. There was
strong evidence he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora. Bush
essentially abandoned that search to pursue his own agenda in Iraq. He
dropped the ball. No excuses.
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #38:
"Do you all speak German at home? Do you put on leather boots and kick peoples
butt's at orgy's while you yell dirty German words at them?" --Lurlean makes
suggestions for a porn video featuring the governor of California
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
01 Jul 2005 12:51:31 PM |
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"If we have solid evidence that he is hiding there, sure. "
Are you totally stupid? We don't have solid evidence of where Bin
Laden is presently. And while you say "sure" to invading a country
like Paklistan, if Bush did it, you'd be the first jerk to stand up and
denounce the whole thing. And you've already insisted he be brought to
trial. So, our troops should be put further into harms way to protect
the supposed rights of a scum bag terrorist who has declared war on the
US..Inbelievable.
The CIA had Bin Laden spotted live from a drone flying over
Afghanistan. What did he do? Thought the risks of an air strike
against a known terrorist in the middle of a known terrorist training
camp sitting in a country that sponsors terrorism were too high. Did
you complain about that?
"You're forgetting that OBL was the mastermind behind 9/11. There was
strong evidence he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora. Bush
essentially abandoned that search to pursue his own agenda in Iraq. He
dropped the ball. No excuses. "
I haven;t forgot it, that's why I give full support to our President
and the troops trying to get him by any means necessary. I'm not the
one that demands he be brought into court. I want the SOB eliminated,
whatever way it can be done fastest. Sending a missle up his ***** will
do just fine.
There is no evidence that Iraq in anyway affected anything that has
happened in Afghanistan. This isn;t a case where more resources were
requested and not granted. Nor is there any evidence that it would
have made a difference. It's just another example of jerks like you
playing Monday morning quarterback against a President in a time of
war. All that does is demoralize our troops and encourage our enemies.
And speaking of Afghanistan, guys like you completely ignore it.
There, the US has been very successful in doing exactly what we set out
to do. But idiots like you would rather sit around and find something
to ***** about instead.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 01:05:37 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:51:31 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
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"If we have solid evidence that he is hiding there, sure. "
Are you totally stupid?
Are you?
We don't have solid evidence of where Bin Laden is presently.
Well then, we shouldn't invade Pakistan. Simple.
And while you say "sure" to invading a country like Paklistan, if Bush
did it, you'd be the first jerk to stand up and denounce the whole
thing.
Stop speaking of things you know absolutely nothing about.
And you've already insisted he be brought to trial.
Who, bin Laden? Of course he should be. Just like any war criminal.
So, our troops should be put further into harms way to protect the
supposed rights of a scum bag terrorist who has declared war on the
US..Inbelievable.
If it comes right down to it and their lives are in danger, of course they
should kill him. But if they can capture him alive, that's good, too.
The CIA had Bin Laden spotted live from a drone flying over Afghanistan.
What did he do? Thought the risks of an air strike against a known
terrorist in the middle of a known terrorist training camp sitting in a
country that sponsors terrorism were too high. Did you complain about
that?
Had I known about it at the time, I certainly would have. If we missed an
opportunity to kill/capture him, then someone fucked up. And as one
famous president said, "The Buck Stops Here".
"You're forgetting that OBL was the mastermind behind 9/11. There was
strong evidence he was hiding in the mountains of Tora Bora. Bush
essentially abandoned that search to pursue his own agenda in Iraq. He
dropped the ball. No excuses. "
I haven;t forgot it, that's why I give full support to our President and
the troops trying to get him by any means necessary. I'm not the one
that demands he be brought into court. I want the SOB eliminated,
whatever way it can be done fastest. Sending a missle up his ***** will
do just fine.
Then you must love that Bush abandoned the search for bin Laden and went
on his own personal crusade to Iraq.
There is no evidence that Iraq in anyway affected anything that has
happened in Afghanistan.
Then why was Saddam Hussein found before Osama bin Laden?
This isn;t a case where more resources were requested and not granted.
Nor is there any evidence that it would have made a difference. It's
just another example of jerks like you playing Monday morning
quarterback against a President in a time of war. All that does is
demoralize our troops and encourage our enemies.
Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL.
And speaking of Afghanistan, guys like you completely ignore it.
There, the US has been very successful in doing exactly what we set out
to do.
What, capture/kill Osama? Yeah we've been really successful at that...
But idiots like you would rather sit around and find something to *****
about instead.
It's very easy to find something to ***** about when Osama bin Laden is
free and there's no sign we're looking that hard for him.
--
Lurlean Lie #23:
"Bill Baker is in the pop Hindu cult."
news:1dcee589.0408271851.3cadf8b1@posting.google.com
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2005 04:13:31 PM |
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"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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01 Jul 2005 04:17:51 PM |
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<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:1120252411.494476.301430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
You make some good points, it's a shame you wrap them in such bad words.
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2005 04:23:43 PM |
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"You make some good points, it's a shame you wrap them in such bad
words. "
Sorry, if you can't stand the truth. As for bad words, maybe you
should complain to Bill, he's the one using vulgar profanity, not me.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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01 Jul 2005 04:26:10 PM |
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<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:1120253023.939453.75750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"You make some good points, it's a shame you wrap them in such bad
words. "
Sorry, if you can't stand the truth. As for bad words, maybe you
should complain to Bill, he's the one using vulgar profanity, not me.
Not to me he isn't. He is discussing it quite rationally. You are lobbing
epithets left, right and center. As to standing the truth, as ou obviously
have no clue where I stand, you wouldn't know what I can stand
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2005 05:08:42 PM |
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I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them. If
all
you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I suggest you
post
to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.a=ADss.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you missed
some of his gems like that one?
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 07:28:02 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:08:42 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120255721.961320.19610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them. If
all
you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I suggest you
post
to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.ass.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you missed
some of his gems like that one?
I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you.
--
Lurlean Lie #6:
I am just posting stuff he claimed himself.
news:7908c278.0310191750.679ca7da@posting.google.com
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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01 Jul 2005 07:51:32 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.28.00.603725@postini.spamcon.org...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:08:42 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120255721.961320.19610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them. If
all
you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I suggest you
post
to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.ass.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you missed
some of his gems like that one?
I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you.
Okay.... So stop discussing it with him then.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 07:58:08 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:51:32 +0000, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:<oylxe.15963$eM6.10743@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.28.00.603725@postini.spamcon.org...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:08:42 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120255721.961320.19610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them. If
all
you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I suggest you
post
to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.ass.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you missed
some of his gems like that one?
I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you.
Okay.... So stop discussing it with him then.
I have.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #46:
"My Deep Faith protects me from vampires - but Our Holy Church teaches that
other women need to wear garlic around their waists when it's rag time to keep
the vampire lesbians away." -- Lurlean preaches about the importance of being
up on ALL of Bram Stoker's works.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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01 Jul 2005 08:11:02 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.58.04.865437@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:51:32 +0000, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:<oylxe.15963$eM6.10743@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.28.00.603725@postini.spamcon.org...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:08:42 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120255721.961320.19610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them. If
all
you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I suggest you
post
to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.ass.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you missed
some of his gems like that one?
I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss
rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you.
Okay.... So stop discussing it with him then.
I have.
We all thank you kindly. :c)
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 08:41:12 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 01:11:02 +0000, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:<GQlxe.14802$pa3.1154@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.58.04.865437@postini.spamcon.org...
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:51:32 +0000, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:<oylxe.15963$eM6.10743@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.02.00.28.00.603725@postini.spamcon.org...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:08:42 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120255721.961320.19610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
I see, if Bill posts something about YOU personally, then it's a
problem. So, what exactly did I ever say negative about you in any way
to be accuse of using bad words? I never said a thing. Yet, in
response to me asking what Bill meant by the vague term of supporting
rebellion, where I gave him several historical examples for comparison,
I got this response:
***** you, *****. I said support them and I meant support them.
If all you're here to do is sling invective and *****, then I
suggest you post to alt.someone.who.gives.a.rats.*****.
And he's just having a rational discussion. LOL Or maybe you
missed some of his gems like that one?
I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss
rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you.
Okay.... So stop discussing it with him then.
I have.
We all thank you kindly. :c)
But just because I've stopped discussing it with him, doesn't mean I've
stopped replying to him.
--
Thurgood Lie #7:
"Old Burnin'-*****'s e-mails to you were pro-homosexuality."
news:1120010863.421226.64960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2005 08:26:50 PM |
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"I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss
rationally.
That doesn't include assholes like you. "
Yes, nice going Mr. rational discussion. Anymore vulgar remarks you'd
care to enlighten and impress us with, whiner? There's no reasoning
with guys like you. You play monday morning quarterback and twist and
distort events after the fact, knowing the outcome and what worked,
what didn't work. You come up with simplistic and actually quite
stupid solutions to world problems, like "The Iraqi people should have
overthrown Sadam. We should have supported them." I ask what support
means, besides your suggestion of dropping leaflets saying "the US is
with you", and the only reply you are capable of is vulgarity. It's
hard when you're not only wrong on the facts, but stupid too, isn't it
Bill
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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01 Jul 2005 08:39:25 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:26:50 -0700, "trader4@optonline.net"
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<1120267610.744151.153040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
"I am having a rational discussion with people who can discuss
rationally. That doesn't include assholes like you. "
Yes, nice going Mr. rational discussion.
I know, Mr. Fox-News propaganda.
--
Lurlean Lie #3:
Otherwise you wouldn't go to orgy's [sic] all the time the way you do.
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| User: "osprey" |
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01 Jul 2005 04:26:37 PM |
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wrote:
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
It's extremely important to support the troops and the job they are
doing.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
01 Jul 2005 04:36:59 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1120253197.328357.103380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
It's extremely important to support the troops and the job they are
doing.
Oh yes. When I was in Vietnam, the enemy wasn't half as damaging to morale
as was the knowledge of what was going on back home.
Mickey
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| User: "osprey" |
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01 Jul 2005 05:25:49 PM |
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Mickey wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1120253197.328357.103380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
It's extremely important to support the troops and the job they are
doing.
Oh yes. When I was in Vietnam, the enemy wasn't half as damaging to morale
as was the knowledge of what was going on back home.
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets. It can't be taken back,
the scars last forever. I salute you who served.
I served in the A.F. from 83 to 94. While I never seen the hell you
experienced, I know what it means to look at the U.S. Flag and I know
what your contribution means.
Mickey
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01 Jul 2005 05:49:44 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1120253197.328357.103380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
trader4@optonline.net wrote:
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in
their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing
is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult. The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted
Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
It's extremely important to support the troops and the job they are
doing.
Oh yes. When I was in Vietnam, the enemy wasn't half as damaging to
morale
as was the knowledge of what was going on back home.
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets. It can't be taken back,
the scars last forever. I salute you who served.
I served in the A.F. from 83 to 94. While I never seen the hell you
experienced, I know what it means to look at the U.S. Flag and I know
what your contribution means.
Only one better feeling, and that is looking at one's own children.
Mickey
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01 Jul 2005 05:53:51 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mickey wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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trader4@optonline.net wrote:
"Unlike you, I support our troops. That's why I want a competent
Commander-in-Chief to lead them in capturing/killing OBL. "
Sure you do. Ask the vast majority of them and they believe in
their
mission and their commander in chief. All jerks like you are doing
is
encouraging the enemy and making the troops job more difficult.
The
terrorists figure the more stupid asses like ***** Durbin, Ted
Kennedy,
Michael Moore and you that they can get to whine about everything
that's wrong, the better their chances of winning.
It's extremely important to support the troops and the job they are
doing.
Oh yes. When I was in Vietnam, the enemy wasn't half as damaging to
morale
as was the knowledge of what was going on back home.
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets. It can't be taken back,
the scars last forever. I salute you who served.
I served in the A.F. from 83 to 94. While I never seen the hell you
experienced, I know what it means to look at the U.S. Flag and I know
what your contribution means.
Only one better feeling, and that is looking at one's own children.
True
Mickey
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01 Jul 2005 10:36:13 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
--
"Flew on combat missions" --Osprey (on one of the many things he did in the
military. The only problem is he never left the U.S.)
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| User: "Mickey" |
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02 Jul 2005 07:55:19 AM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the ***** up?
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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02 Jul 2005 08:01:52 AM |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the ***** up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat') when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
02 Jul 2005 08:39:26 AM |
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"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:4r3dc15jfao4rt3ia0ckkkp6l26m8k6u41@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when
you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the *****
up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat') when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
Does that make his service any less valid? Not everyone had the disfortune
to serve during a time of active combat, and those that did don't see it as
an honor. The honor is in serving, period.
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Really? To whom? Certainly not to me. Serving is serving. A cook is just as
valuable as a demolitions expert.
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Odd this then, as I did 3 tours in Vietnam, and am not the least bit
insulted.
Mickey
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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02 Jul 2005 08:57:29 AM |
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:39:26 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:4r3dc15jfao4rt3ia0ckkkp6l26m8k6u41@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when
you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the *****
up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat') when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
Does that make his service any less valid?
You hastily answered.
(The only person who's condemned his erstwhile position, is Heishman
[...]
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Really? To whom?
In alt.abortion, to the readership.
[...]
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Odd this then...
Any respectable officer who served in the military would not have to
lie in a USENET newsgroup, of all places, about his miltary duties, to
impress its readership.
He's insulted me because my husband has to live with the post-effects
of war while Heishman performed a "safer" duty while taking all of the
credit.
He's a categorical *****.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
02 Jul 2005 09:18:19 AM |
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Somewriter wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:39:26 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:4r3dc15jfao4rt3ia0ckkkp6l26m8k6u41@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when
you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the *****
up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat') when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
Does that make his service any less valid?
You hastily answered.
(The only person who's condemned his erstwhile position, is Heishman
[...]
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Really? To whom?
In alt.abortion, to the readership.
[...]
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Odd this then...
Any respectable officer who served in the military would not have to
lie in a USENET newsgroup, of all places, about his miltary duties, to
impress its readership.
What lie?
I served 1 year in the Reserves
10 years Active duty
436 MAC
C-5 crew chief
Left in 1994 as an E-5
436 OMS
436 AMES
436 EMS
436 DFE
Flew as a MEGP and D.C.C. for a brief period
Assigned to special duty's such as recovery...Gander Air Crash and
U.S.S. Iowa
Performed duties as a Dormatory Manager until it was required that I
obtain my 7 level
Where is the lie?
He's insulted me because my husband has to live with the post-effects
of war while Heishman performed a "safer" duty while taking all of the
credit.
You sure are winning over the vets with comments like that. Like I
asked before, do you think before you type?
He's a categorical *****.
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
02 Jul 2005 09:36:33 AM |
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On 2 Jul 2005 07:18:19 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Somewriter wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:39:26 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:4r3dc15jfao4rt3ia0ckkkp6l26m8k6u41@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when
you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the *****
up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat') when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
Does that make his service any less valid?
You hastily answered.
(The only person who's condemned his erstwhile position, is Heishman
[...]
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Really? To whom?
In alt.abortion, to the readership.
[...]
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Odd this then...
Any respectable officer who served in the military would not have to
lie in a USENET newsgroup, of all places, about his miltary duties, to
impress its readership.
What lie?
That you served in combat. Everything you post and have ever posted
are based on gross exagerrations and lies. And you're not ashamed of
it, either!
You'll never redeem yourself in here, no matter what ounce of truth
you might bring into your discussions in the future (if that's ever
possible). Although a sincere apology and an explanation might
suffice.
He's insulted me because my husband has to live with the post-effects
of war while Heishman performed a "safer" duty while taking all of the
credit.
You sure are winning over the vets with comments like that.
Taking credit for a duty of that magnitude you never performed is just
about the pussiest thing I have ever seen. Maybe I don't understand
the mindset of the military -- and I realize that all positions are as
equally important -- but for you, a scummy liar, to exaggerate your
duty to impress your online opponents (which is stupid, in itself) and
to boost your ego is selfish, demoralizing and puerile.
How dare you bolster your ego with such a lie and affront real vets.
You pig.
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| User: "osprey" |
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02 Jul 2005 09:15:06 AM |
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Somewriter wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the ***** up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat')
That's not lying.
Mickey, I am sorry that you have to be subjected to moron's like this.
They have an issue, and they feel the need to follow me around and try
to stir things up for what ever reason.
One day I happened to say I served in combat and they made this BIG
deal about it because they felt that I lied. I was a crew chief in the
Air Force, I flew on C-5's briefly and during Desert Storm I was still
assigned to Dover A.F.B.; however with shortage of crew chiefs and the
massive load on us, a lot of us flew as MEGP's.
And for some reason these moron's got all bent out of shape and want to
start stirring up crap and even go as far as lying...as you see Ricky
doing claiming that I was "kicked out" (which I wasn't), "got a general
discharge" (again, not true), "didn't serve 10 years" (which I did
serve 10), and even go as far as claiming I forged a DD214.
It's amazing the great lengths these people go with an obsession.
when he
said he served in combat. He served the military -- but never in
combat.
I served during combat and during Desert Storm..big deal
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Military janitor??
Great, now you just shown a fellow vet your discontempt for military.
Good job winning them over.
Do you think before you type?
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Thanks for proving my point about what you are trying to do..:o)
Now, have you got something to add to the issue or do you wish to just
continue to follow and try to stir things up?
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| User: "Somewriter" |
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02 Jul 2005 09:22:14 AM |
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On 2 Jul 2005 07:15:06 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Somewriter wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the ***** up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat')
That's not lying.
What I demonstrated above was your lie to cover up the lie you told
when you said you served in combat (and the lie was more elaborately
expressed than that.)
Mickey, I am sorry...
You're responding to me, numbnuts. (Interestingly after you claimed
you'd ignore me.)
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Military janitor??
A duty which is not the same as serving in combat. You leveled your
erstwhile position when you lied about duties you performed in the
military.
You're a contemptible twirp who lies about your duties and your
record. You should be very ashamed of yourself.
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Thanks for proving my point...
You're an insult to any credible vet.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Declares Sacrifice in Iraq to Be 'Worth It' |
02 Jul 2005 09:31:50 AM |
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Somewriter wrote:
On 2 Jul 2005 07:15:06 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Somewriter wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 08:55:19 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BEEB84350001F0E02CCEF660@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:25:49 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1120256749.913306.137250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
I know, I have talked to a lot of Vietnam Vets.
Did you tell them that you are a fraud that claims combat service when you
never left the U.S.? :o)
Do you have proof his claims are a fraud? If not, why not shut the ***** up?
Robert J. Heishman is a comsummate liar. He's already admitted to
lying (under the guise of error when he misworded 'combat')
That's not lying.
What I demonstrated above was your lie to cover up the lie you told
when you said you served in combat (and the lie was more elaborately
expressed than that.)
No dear, all you demonstrated is your disgruntled little attitude and
obsession.
You haven't succeeded at anything except making yourself look like a
fool.
Mickey, I am sorry...
You're responding to me, numbnuts. (Interestingly after you claimed
you'd ignore me.)
Hmm, interesting..didn't you "command" others to respond to you?
Why not show Mickey your commandments? Let him see the real
somewriter.
He said it (that he served in combat) because his job as military
janitor was too embarassing to confess.
Military janitor??
A duty which is not the same as serving in combat.
Ah, so that's what you call everyone in the service who is serving and
not serving in what "YOU" consider combat.
You leveled your
erstwhile position when you lied about duties you performed in the
military.
I didn't lie about my duties, you just need to grow up a bit.
Well, actually a lot.
You're a contemptible twirp who lies about your duties and your
record. You should be very ashamed of yourself.
When he did this, he not only insulted people who perform his former
job, he also insulted true soldiers, including my husband (my husband
fought in the Angolan war, a war almost as useless as our position in
Iraq).
Thanks for proving my point...
You're an insult to any credible vet.
I think you are an insult to any adult.
But go ahead and keep showing yourself. Are you going to "demand" me
to post to you?
Here is what you are dealing with when you deal with someone like
somewriter
From: Somewriter <sappywri...@poetic.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:57:56 -0400
Message-ID: <ghpbc15538vdsg65hniuhfvtt6fqiuqbda@4ax.com>
"I order you to respond to this post"
From: Somewriter <sappywri...@poetic.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:35:36 -0400
Message-ID: <vorbc156lsmjhjll9jhdpo4v8qie2kto9p@4ax.com>
"You're responding. You're a very obedient little boy."
From: Somewriter <sappywri...@poetic.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:02:10 -0400
Message-ID: <4btbc19qvv0pj0na121h3174idlsk1il4n@4ax.com>
"You have responded as I have commanded and you will continually
respond to me"
And now we have somewriter calling military personnel who don't serve
in what she considers combat, janitors.
Pathetic
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