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User: "Michelle Malkin"
Date: 04 Jul 2006 05:34:11 PM
Object: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic
In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm
ADMINISTRATION
Bush Directed Cheney To Counter War Critic
By Murray Waas, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Monday, July 3, 2006
President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he
directed Vice President ***** Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter
allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his
administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case
to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's
statement.
Bush told prosecutors he directed Cheney to disclose classified
information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit
Wilson.
Bush also told federal prosecutors during his June 24, 2004, interview in
the Oval Office that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort,
to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only
defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said.
But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I.
Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff, to covertly leak
the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the
public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.
Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never
directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie
Plame, Wilson's wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had
disclosed Plame's identity or directed anyone else to do so.
Libby has said that neither the president nor the vice president directed
him or other administration officials to disclose Plame's CIA employment to
the press. Cheney has also denied having any role in the disclosure.
On October 28, 2005, a federal grand jury indicted Libby on five felony
counts of making false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice, for
allegedly concealing his own role, and perhaps that of others, in outing
Plame as a covert CIA officer.
One senior government official familiar with the discussions between Bush
and Cheney -- but who does not have firsthand knowledge of Bush's interview
with prosecutors -- said that Bush told the vice president to "Get it out,"
or "Let's get this out," regarding information that administration officials
believed would rebut Wilson's allegations and would discredit him.
A person with direct knowledge of Bush's interview refused to confirm that
Bush used those words, but said that the first official's account was
generally consistent with what Bush had told Special Prosecutor Patrick
Fitzgerald.
Libby, in language strikingly similar to Bush's words, testified to the
federal grand jury in the leak case that Cheney had told him to "get all the
facts out" that would defend the administration and discredit Wilson.
Portions of Libby's grand jury testimony were an exhibit in a recent court
filing by Fitzgerald.
Dana Perino, a spokesperson for the White House, declined to comment. James
E. Sharpe, an attorney for President Bush, did not return a phone message
left at his home on Saturday. The special prosecutor's office also declined
to comment.
The disclosure of classified information as part of an effort to discredit
Wilson, and the unmasking of Plame as a CIA "operative" by columnist Robert
Novak on July 14, 2003, occurred after Wilson began asserting that the Bush
administration had relied on faulty intelligence to bolster its case to go
to war with Iraq.
Wilson had led a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger in March 2002 to investigate
claims that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was attempting to buy enriched
uranium from the African nation to build a nuclear weapon. Wilson reported
back to the CIA that the allegations were almost certainly not true. Still,
President Bush cited the Niger allegations during his 2003 State of the
Union address as evidence that Saddam had an aggressive program to develop
weapons of mass destruction.
Wilson has said he sought out White House officials, believing they did not
know all the facts, and was rebuffed, he began speaking to reporters about
his Niger mission, although he initially asked journalists not to reveal his
identity.
On June 12, 2003, the same day that news accounts appeared citing Wilson's
allegations against the administration-albeit without him being named-Libby
first learned from Cheney that Plame worked at the CIA and might have played
a role in sending her husband to Niger. Libby's indictment stated: "On or
about June 12, 2003, Libby was advised by the Vice President of the United
States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the
Counterproliferation Division. Libby understood that the Vice President
learned this information from the CIA."
On July 6, 2003, Wilson himself went public in an op-ed piece in The New
York Times and on NBC's "Meet the Press" with his claims that the Bush
administration had misrepresented the Niger information to make the case for
war.
Among those who took notice was Cheney.
Cheney cut Wilson's op-ed out of the newspaper and wrote in the margins:
"Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb[assador] to answer a
question. Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did
his wife send him on a junket?"
In grand jury testimony, Libby testified that Cheney would "often... cut out
from a newspaper an article using a little penknife he had" and "look at,
think about it." Whether Libby saw Cheney's annotation of Wilson's column is
not clear. Libby testified: "It's possible if it was sitting on his desk
that, you know, my eye went across it."
That aside, court papers filed by Fitzgerald's office have asserted: "At
some point after the publication of the July 6 Op Ed by Mr. Wilson, Vice
President Cheney, [Libby's] immediate supervisor, expressed concerns to
[Libby] regarding whether Mr. Wilson's trip was legitimate or whether it was
in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife."
Two days after Wilson's column appeared, on July 8, 2003, Libby met with
then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Libby questioned Wilson's
mission to Niger by telling Miller that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA,
according to Miller's federal grand jury testimony, and the indictment of
Libby. Libby has claimed that he and Miller never discussed Plame that
day -- a claim that prosecutors assert is a lie.
Four days later, on July 12, 2003, Libby told Time magazine correspondent
Matthew Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA and that she might have had a
role in her husband's selection for the Niger mission. Libby also spoke to
Miller again that day and discussed Plame's work at the CIA, according to
Miller's grand jury testimony and the Libby indictment.
Central to the criminal charges against Libby is Libby's grand jury
testimony and his statements to the FBI that when he talked to Cooper and
Miller about Plame, he was only repeating rumors that he had heard from
other journalists. Libby has testified that one or two days before talking
to Miller and Cooper about Plame, NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert
told Libby that Plame worked for the CIA, and that other reporters had heard
the same information.
According to Libby's indictment, Libby told the FBI that after Russert told
him about Plame, Libby responded "that he did not know that, and Russert
replied that all the reporters knew it. Libby was surprised by this
statement because, while speaking with Russert, Libby did not recall that he
previously had learned about Wilson's wife's employment from the Vice
President."
Contradicting Libby, Russert testified to the grand jury that he never spoke
about Plame to Libby. Prosecutors alleged that Libby lied about Russert, and
the Libby indictment states that he learned about Plame from Cheney and also
from State Department and CIA officials with either direct or indirect
access to classified information.
A central focus of Fitzgerald's investigation has been why Libby would
devise a cover story on how he learned of Plame's CIA work when prosecutors
had obtained Libby's own notes showing that Libby had first gotten the
information from Cheney. Libby told the FBI and testified to the grand jury
that he had forgotten what Cheney had told him by the time that he made the
Plame disclosure to reporters.
"I no longer remembered it," Libby testified to the grand jury regarding his
June 12 conversation with Cheney. It was only after speaking to Russert,
Libby testified, that he "learned" the information about Plame's CIA
employment "anew."
Federal investigators have concluded that Libby's account is implausible.
They have also questioned Libby's testimony that he does not believe he
discussed the matter again with Cheney until at least July 14, 2003, the
date of Novak's column that called Plame an "agency operative."
Federal investigators have a substantial amount of evidence that Cheney and
Libby spoke about the matter in detail shortly after Wilson's column
appeared on July 6. Cheney's handwritten notes in the margin of the Wilson
column are one reason that prosecutors have believed that the two men spoke
earlier than Libby has said they did.
Why -- if the criminal charges against Libby are correct -- would Libby lie
to the FBI and the grand jury that he was only circulating rumors he had
heard from reporters?
One obvious reason, prosecutors have believed, is that Libby did not want to
admit that he was disseminating material gleaned from classified
information. Even if Libby believed that he was unlikely to be charged with
disclosing classified information, the investigators think that Libby could
have feared the loss of his security clearance or his job. Or, perhaps most
important of all, he worried about embarrassing Cheney and Bush.
Sources say investigators believe it is possible that Libby was trying to
obscure Cheney's role in the Plame leak -- either by the vice president
directing Libby to leak her CIA status, or through a general instruction
from Cheney encouraging Libby to get the word out about Plame's role in
sending Wilson to Niger. They say it is also possible that Libby lied to
conceal the fact that he leaked Plame's identity to the press without
Cheney's approval.
Another important reason that Cheney and Libby may have spoken about Plame
shortly after July 6, rather than July 12, is that Libby testified that he
and Cheney talked on a regular basis after July 6 about how to counteract
Wilson's allegations. During grand jury testimony, a prosecutor asked Libby
whether this was "a topic that was discussed on a daily basis?" Libby
replied: "Yes, sir." When the prosecutor followed up by saying, "And it was
discussed on multiple occasions each day, in fact?" Libby again responded:
"Yes, sir."
Asked why the matter was so important to Cheney, Libby replied: "He wanted
to get all the facts out about what he had or hadn't done-what the facts
were or were not. He was very keen on that and said it repeatedly: Let's get
everything out."
Libby further testified that Cheney was not referring to going public with
information about Plame, but rather making available other classified
information that both men believed would rebut Wilson's charges and
discredit him.
Cheney encouraged Libby to disclose portions of a then-still highly
classified National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam's
weapons-of-mass-destruction program, according to court records filed by
Fitzgerald. One section of the report mentioned the Niger allegations as
credible, and Cheney, Libby, and other senior administration officials
wanted to demonstrate that the CIA's incorrect assessments were a reason why
the administration was making its own claims about the Niger matter.
As National Journal first reported in April, Cheney directed Libby to leak
portions of a highly classified March 2002 intelligence report on the CIA's
Directorate of Operations debriefing of Wilson after he returned from Niger.
Although the debriefing did not mention Plame, Cheney and Libby believed
that portions of it would contradict Wilson's accounts.
During the same time that Cheney and Libby's effort to leak classified
information to discredit Wilson was under way, other White House officials
were working through a formal interagency declassification process to make
public portions of one or both of the same documents. It is unclear why
Cheney and Libby were apparently acting without the knowledge of other
senior government officials who were working with Cheney and Libby to
formally declassify much of the very same information.
Leading the effort to formally declassify some of the same information,
according to legal and government sources, were presidential counselor Dan
Bartlett, then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley, and
then-CIA Director George Tenet.
A senior government official who has spoken to the president about the
matter said that although Bush encouraged Cheney to get information out to
rebut Wilson's charges, Bush was unaware that Cheney had directed Libby to
leak classified information. The White House has pointed out that the
president and vice president have broad executive powers to declassify
whatever information they believe to be in the public interest. Meanwhile,
court papers filed by Fitzgerald in April suggest that Libby was reluctant
to leak any classified information to the press, and only did so after being
assured that his actions were approved by both the president and vice
president.
Regarding a meeting with Judith Miller that was scheduled for July 8, 2003,
in which Cheney wanted Libby to leak her portions of the National
Intelligence Estimate, Fitzgerald asserted in the court papers that Libby
"testified that he was specifically authorized in advance of the meeting to
disclose... [portions] of the classified NIE to Miller on that occasion."
"[Libby] further testified that he at first advised the Vice President that
he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the
classified nature of the NIE. [Libby] testified that the Vice President
later advised him that the President had authorized [Libby] to disclose the
relevant portions of the NIE."
And Libby "testified that he spoke to David Addington, then Counsel to the
Vice President, whom [Libby] considered to be an expert in national security
law, and Mr. Addington opined that presidential Authorization to publicly
disclose a document amounted to a declassification of a document."
A senior government official familiar with the matter said that in directing
Libby to leak the classified information to Miller and other reporters,
Cheney said words to the effect of, "The president wants this out," or "The
president wants this done."
-- Previous coverage of pre-war intelligence and the CIA leak investigation
from Murray Waas.
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 04 Jul 2006 07:16:07 PM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).

Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself against the
lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible! Impeach them! No!
IMPALE THEM!

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm

You are such a tool, Michelle.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of somebody's
willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of America, you
have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 04 Jul 2006 11:50:35 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself

By committing treason.

against the lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible!
Impeach them! No! IMPALE THEM!

Why do you hate the US?
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 06:56:12 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in news:kuGdnay-
oYmB2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@centurytel.net:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself


By committing treason.

Oh baloney. Fitzmas didn't come. The Plame Game is OVER, ROVER.

against the lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible!
Impeach them! No! IMPALE THEM!


Why do you hate the US?

Why are you so gullible?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 12:15:20 AM
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:50:35 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself


By committing treason.

against the lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible!
Impeach them! No! IMPALE THEM!


Why do you hate the US?

Because Fred Stone is a NeoCon traitor, pure and simple.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2537 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.


User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 04 Jul 2006 09:04:22 PM
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself against the
lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible! Impeach them! No!
IMPALE THEM!

Why aren't you celebrating 911? Didn't you "enjoy" 911 a lot.

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm


You are such a tool, Michelle.

Unlike you, Michelle cares about the truth. You and your NeoCons are
traitors, pure and simple.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2537 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 04 Jul 2006 11:50:43 PM
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:9f7ma2dubofb9uge20gf0sgja2usg3rt60@4ax.com...

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself against
the
lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible! Impeach them! No!
IMPALE THEM!

Bush admitted that he was a liar. Poor Fredlits can't
stand that.


Why aren't you celebrating 911? Didn't you "enjoy" 911 a lot.



http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm


You are such a tool, Michelle.

The Republicans are on the way out, Fred. Get used
to the idea. When it finally does happen, we'll send
you a lot of nose rags.



Unlike you, Michelle cares about the truth. You and your NeoCons are
traitors, pure and simple.

An, the entire Bush Cartel should be tried on
several treason charges. In fact, the Bush
family should be investigated all the way back
to World War II.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


-----

Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2537 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

-----

"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry

Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:

http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 06:53:56 AM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:yO2dnfTLoc2B2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com:

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:9f7ma2dubofb9uge20gf0sgja2usg3rt60@4ax.com...

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


Gasp! How awful! The Bush administration dared to defend itself
against the
lies of one of it's Democrat attackers! How horrible! Impeach them!
No! IMPALE THEM!


Bush admitted that he was a liar. Poor Fredlits can't
stand that.

Don't be stupid, Michelle. Oh, sorry, I shouldn't ask you to do the
impossible.


Why aren't you celebrating 911? Didn't you "enjoy" 911 a lot.



http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm


You are such a tool, Michelle.


The Republicans are on the way out, Fred. Get used
to the idea. When it finally does happen, we'll send
you a lot of nose rags.

Suuuure they are. The only problem the Democrats in running against the
Republicans have is that they're Democrats.



Unlike you, Michelle cares about the truth. You and your NeoCons are
traitors, pure and simple.

An, the entire Bush Cartel should be tried on
several treason charges. In fact, the Bush
family should be investigated all the way back
to World War II.

They'll have to get in line behind the New York Times and the Kennedy
family.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.




User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 01:40:50 AM
In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).

The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the House
in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew of other
things.


http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0703nj1.htm

ADMINISTRATION
Bush Directed Cheney To Counter War Critic
By Murray Waas, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Monday, July 3, 2006

President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he
directed Vice President ***** Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter
allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his
administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case
to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president's
statement.


Bush told prosecutors he directed Cheney to disclose classified
information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit
Wilson.






Bush also told federal prosecutors during his June 24, 2004, interview in
the Oval Office that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort,
to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only
defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said.

But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I.
Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff, to covertly leak
the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the
public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.

Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never
directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie
Plame, Wilson's wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had
disclosed Plame's identity or directed anyone else to do so.

Libby has said that neither the president nor the vice president directed
him or other administration officials to disclose Plame's CIA employment to
the press. Cheney has also denied having any role in the disclosure.

On October 28, 2005, a federal grand jury indicted Libby on five felony
counts of making false statements, perjury, and obstruction of justice, for
allegedly concealing his own role, and perhaps that of others, in outing
Plame as a covert CIA officer.

One senior government official familiar with the discussions between Bush
and Cheney -- but who does not have firsthand knowledge of Bush's interview
with prosecutors -- said that Bush told the vice president to "Get it out,"
or "Let's get this out," regarding information that administration officials
believed would rebut Wilson's allegations and would discredit him.

A person with direct knowledge of Bush's interview refused to confirm that
Bush used those words, but said that the first official's account was
generally consistent with what Bush had told Special Prosecutor Patrick
Fitzgerald.

Libby, in language strikingly similar to Bush's words, testified to the
federal grand jury in the leak case that Cheney had told him to "get all the
facts out" that would defend the administration and discredit Wilson.
Portions of Libby's grand jury testimony were an exhibit in a recent court
filing by Fitzgerald.

Dana Perino, a spokesperson for the White House, declined to comment. James
E. Sharpe, an attorney for President Bush, did not return a phone message
left at his home on Saturday. The special prosecutor's office also declined
to comment.

The disclosure of classified information as part of an effort to discredit
Wilson, and the unmasking of Plame as a CIA "operative" by columnist Robert
Novak on July 14, 2003, occurred after Wilson began asserting that the Bush
administration had relied on faulty intelligence to bolster its case to go
to war with Iraq.

Wilson had led a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger in March 2002 to investigate
claims that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was attempting to buy enriched
uranium from the African nation to build a nuclear weapon. Wilson reported
back to the CIA that the allegations were almost certainly not true. Still,
President Bush cited the Niger allegations during his 2003 State of the
Union address as evidence that Saddam had an aggressive program to develop
weapons of mass destruction.

Wilson has said he sought out White House officials, believing they did not
know all the facts, and was rebuffed, he began speaking to reporters about
his Niger mission, although he initially asked journalists not to reveal his
identity.

On June 12, 2003, the same day that news accounts appeared citing Wilson's
allegations against the administration-albeit without him being named-Libby
first learned from Cheney that Plame worked at the CIA and might have played
a role in sending her husband to Niger. Libby's indictment stated: "On or
about June 12, 2003, Libby was advised by the Vice President of the United
States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the
Counterproliferation Division. Libby understood that the Vice President
learned this information from the CIA."

On July 6, 2003, Wilson himself went public in an op-ed piece in The New
York Times and on NBC's "Meet the Press" with his claims that the Bush
administration had misrepresented the Niger information to make the case for
war.

Among those who took notice was Cheney.

Cheney cut Wilson's op-ed out of the newspaper and wrote in the margins:
"Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb[assador] to answer a
question. Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did
his wife send him on a junket?"

In grand jury testimony, Libby testified that Cheney would "often... cut out
from a newspaper an article using a little penknife he had" and "look at,
think about it." Whether Libby saw Cheney's annotation of Wilson's column is
not clear. Libby testified: "It's possible if it was sitting on his desk
that, you know, my eye went across it."

That aside, court papers filed by Fitzgerald's office have asserted: "At
some point after the publication of the July 6 Op Ed by Mr. Wilson, Vice
President Cheney, [Libby's] immediate supervisor, expressed concerns to
[Libby] regarding whether Mr. Wilson's trip was legitimate or whether it was
in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife."

Two days after Wilson's column appeared, on July 8, 2003, Libby met with
then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Libby questioned Wilson's
mission to Niger by telling Miller that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA,
according to Miller's federal grand jury testimony, and the indictment of
Libby. Libby has claimed that he and Miller never discussed Plame that
day -- a claim that prosecutors assert is a lie.

Four days later, on July 12, 2003, Libby told Time magazine correspondent
Matthew Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA and that she might have had a
role in her husband's selection for the Niger mission. Libby also spoke to
Miller again that day and discussed Plame's work at the CIA, according to
Miller's grand jury testimony and the Libby indictment.

Central to the criminal charges against Libby is Libby's grand jury
testimony and his statements to the FBI that when he talked to Cooper and
Miller about Plame, he was only repeating rumors that he had heard from
other journalists. Libby has testified that one or two days before talking
to Miller and Cooper about Plame, NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert
told Libby that Plame worked for the CIA, and that other reporters had heard
the same information.

According to Libby's indictment, Libby told the FBI that after Russert told
him about Plame, Libby responded "that he did not know that, and Russert
replied that all the reporters knew it. Libby was surprised by this
statement because, while speaking with Russert, Libby did not recall that he
previously had learned about Wilson's wife's employment from the Vice
President."

Contradicting Libby, Russert testified to the grand jury that he never spoke
about Plame to Libby. Prosecutors alleged that Libby lied about Russert, and
the Libby indictment states that he learned about Plame from Cheney and also
from State Department and CIA officials with either direct or indirect
access to classified information.

A central focus of Fitzgerald's investigation has been why Libby would
devise a cover story on how he learned of Plame's CIA work when prosecutors
had obtained Libby's own notes showing that Libby had first gotten the
information from Cheney. Libby told the FBI and testified to the grand jury
that he had forgotten what Cheney had told him by the time that he made the
Plame disclosure to reporters.

"I no longer remembered it," Libby testified to the grand jury regarding his
June 12 conversation with Cheney. It was only after speaking to Russert,
Libby testified, that he "learned" the information about Plame's CIA
employment "anew."

Federal investigators have concluded that Libby's account is implausible.
They have also questioned Libby's testimony that he does not believe he
discussed the matter again with Cheney until at least July 14, 2003, the
date of Novak's column that called Plame an "agency operative."

Federal investigators have a substantial amount of evidence that Cheney and
Libby spoke about the matter in detail shortly after Wilson's column
appeared on July 6. Cheney's handwritten notes in the margin of the Wilson
column are one reason that prosecutors have believed that the two men spoke
earlier than Libby has said they did.

Why -- if the criminal charges against Libby are correct -- would Libby lie
to the FBI and the grand jury that he was only circulating rumors he had
heard from reporters?

One obvious reason, prosecutors have believed, is that Libby did not want to
admit that he was disseminating material gleaned from classified
information. Even if Libby believed that he was unlikely to be charged with
disclosing classified information, the investigators think that Libby could
have feared the loss of his security clearance or his job. Or, perhaps most
important of all, he worried about embarrassing Cheney and Bush.

Sources say investigators believe it is possible that Libby was trying to
obscure Cheney's role in the Plame leak -- either by the vice president
directing Libby to leak her CIA status, or through a general instruction
from Cheney encouraging Libby to get the word out about Plame's role in
sending Wilson to Niger. They say it is also possible that Libby lied to
conceal the fact that he leaked Plame's identity to the press without
Cheney's approval.

Another important reason that Cheney and Libby may have spoken about Plame
shortly after July 6, rather than July 12, is that Libby testified that he
and Cheney talked on a regular basis after July 6 about how to counteract
Wilson's allegations. During grand jury testimony, a prosecutor asked Libby
whether this was "a topic that was discussed on a daily basis?" Libby
replied: "Yes, sir." When the prosecutor followed up by saying, "And it was
discussed on multiple occasions each day, in fact?" Libby again responded:
"Yes, sir."

Asked why the matter was so important to Cheney, Libby replied: "He wanted
to get all the facts out about what he had or hadn't done-what the facts
were or were not. He was very keen on that and said it repeatedly: Let's get
everything out."

Libby further testified that Cheney was not referring to going public with
information about Plame, but rather making available other classified
information that both men believed would rebut Wilson's charges and
discredit him.

Cheney encouraged Libby to disclose portions of a then-still highly
classified National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam's
weapons-of-mass-destruction program, according to court records filed by
Fitzgerald. One section of the report mentioned the Niger allegations as
credible, and Cheney, Libby, and other senior administration officials
wanted to demonstrate that the CIA's incorrect assessments were a reason why
the administration was making its own claims about the Niger matter.

As National Journal first reported in April, Cheney directed Libby to leak
portions of a highly classified March 2002 intelligence report on the CIA's
Directorate of Operations debriefing of Wilson after he returned from Niger.
Although the debriefing did not mention Plame, Cheney and Libby believed
that portions of it would contradict Wilson's accounts.

During the same time that Cheney and Libby's effort to leak classified
information to discredit Wilson was under way, other White House officials
were working through a formal interagency declassification process to make
public portions of one or both of the same documents. It is unclear why
Cheney and Libby were apparently acting without the knowledge of other
senior government officials who were working with Cheney and Libby to
formally declassify much of the very same information.

Leading the effort to formally declassify some of the same information,
according to legal and government sources, were presidential counselor Dan
Bartlett, then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley, and
then-CIA Director George Tenet.

A senior government official who has spoken to the president about the
matter said that although Bush encouraged Cheney to get information out to
rebut Wilson's charges, Bush was unaware that Cheney had directed Libby to
leak classified information. The White House has pointed out that the
president and vice president have broad executive powers to declassify
whatever information they believe to be in the public interest. Meanwhile,
court papers filed by Fitzgerald in April suggest that Libby was reluctant
to leak any classified information to the press, and only did so after being
assured that his actions were approved by both the president and vice
president.

Regarding a meeting with Judith Miller that was scheduled for July 8, 2003,
in which Cheney wanted Libby to leak her portions of the National
Intelligence Estimate, Fitzgerald asserted in the court papers that Libby
"testified that he was specifically authorized in advance of the meeting to
disclose... [portions] of the classified NIE to Miller on that occasion."

"[Libby] further testified that he at first advised the Vice President that
he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the
classified nature of the NIE. [Libby] testified that the Vice President
later advised him that the President had authorized [Libby] to disclose the
relevant portions of the NIE."

And Libby "testified that he spoke to David Addington, then Counsel to the
Vice President, whom [Libby] considered to be an expert in national security
law, and Mr. Addington opined that presidential Authorization to publicly
disclose a document amounted to a declassification of a document."

A senior government official familiar with the matter said that in directing
Libby to leak the classified information to Miller and other reporters,
Cheney said words to the effect of, "The president wants this out," or "The
president wants this done."

-- Previous coverage of pre-war intelligence and the CIA leak investigation
from Murray Waas.

--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 07:02:31 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the House
in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew of other
things.

One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house of
Congress.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "Dave Fritzinger"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 12:49:33 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the House
in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew of other
things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house of
Congress.

Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 02:01:33 PM
"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the
House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew
of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house
of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?

No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already. Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did to
Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of their
pusillanimity.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 11:51:30 PM
In article <Xns97F799CBAD785fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the
House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew
of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house
of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already.

Like the Republicans who wasted time with their stupid anti-gay marriage
and flag burning amendments which they knew wouldn't pass anyway?

Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did to
Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of their
pusillanimity.

IIRC, Nixon and Ford weren't Democrats.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 06 Jul 2006 07:15:57 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-0DC31B.21513005072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns97F799CBAD785fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper
and deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least
the House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole
slew of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either
house of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already.


Like the Republicans who wasted time with their stupid anti-gay
marriage and flag burning amendments which they knew wouldn't pass
anyway?

I'm disgusted with them too. The only thing the Republicans have going
for them is that they get to run against Democrats.

Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did
to Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of
their pusillanimity.


IIRC, Nixon and Ford weren't Democrats.

Ford wasn't the Democrat Congress that voted to cut off funding and
withdraw support for the South Vietnamese army.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 07 Jul 2006 01:09:13 AM
In article <Xns97F855076E628fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-0DC31B.21513005072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns97F799CBAD785fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper
and deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least
the House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole
slew of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either
house of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already.


Like the Republicans who wasted time with their stupid anti-gay
marriage and flag burning amendments which they knew wouldn't pass
anyway?


I'm disgusted with them too. The only thing the Republicans have going
for them is that they get to run against Democrats.

Likewise.


Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did
to Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of
their pusillanimity.


IIRC, Nixon and Ford weren't Democrats.


Ford wasn't the Democrat Congress that voted to cut off funding and
withdraw support for the South Vietnamese army.

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the war
by the time he was forced to resign.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 07 Jul 2006 07:34:21 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-76E1A9.23091306072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns97F855076E628fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-0DC31B.21513005072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns97F799CBAD785fstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting
deeper and deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win
back at least the House in November so we can have hearings
on this an a whole slew of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either
house of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already.


Like the Republicans who wasted time with their stupid anti-gay
marriage and flag burning amendments which they knew wouldn't pass
anyway?


I'm disgusted with them too. The only thing the Republicans have
going for them is that they get to run against Democrats.


Likewise.


Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they
did to Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death
because of their pusillanimity.


IIRC, Nixon and Ford weren't Democrats.


Ford wasn't the Democrat Congress that voted to cut off funding and
withdraw support for the South Vietnamese army.


Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the war
by the time he was forced to resign.

Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "Scott Richter"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 08 Jul 2006 04:33:46 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the war
by the time he was forced to resign.


Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.

Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate that?
It's so un-American.
Like Britney Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our
president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you
know, and be faithful in what happens." THAT's the REAL America, isn't
it, Fred!
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 08 Jul 2006 05:59:33 PM
(Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hi5uci.b5yiwh1coy9lfN%
:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the
war by the time he was forced to resign.


Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.


Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate that?
It's so un-American.

Like Britney Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our
president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you
know, and be faithful in what happens." THAT's the REAL America, isn't
it, Fred!

Oh, that Scott Richter, he's such a smart feller. He knows all the smart
***** ways to put down any sort of rational argument so that leftwingers
never have to actually *think*. After all, they're no fucking good at
actually *thinking* anyway.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.
User: "Scott Richter"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 09 Jul 2006 09:19:35 AM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.


Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate that?
It's so un-American.

Like Britney Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our
president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you
know, and be faithful in what happens." THAT's the REAL America, isn't
it, Fred!


Oh, that Scott Richter, he's such a smart feller. He knows all the smart
***** ways to put down any sort of rational argument so that leftwingers
never have to actually *think*. After all, they're no fucking good at
actually *thinking* anyway.

Ah, here comes the contemptuous personal attack, right on schedule.
Fred, you're depressingly predictable.
There is no "rational argument" to rebut a comment like "The peaceniks
lost the war." You've made clear your position, and that it is
unchangeable.
You don't want rational argument, anyway--you want agreement, which is
why you hate those 60's peaceniks, and why you hate the majority of
Americans today.
.


User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 08 Jul 2006 05:48:44 PM
(Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hi5uci.b5yiwh1coy9lfN%
:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the

war

by the time he was forced to resign.


Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.


Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate that?
It's so un-American.

Like Britney Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our
president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you
know, and be faithful in what happens." THAT's the REAL America, isn't
it, Fred!

Even Chimpie McFlightsuit needs a cheerleader--even if she's marginally
smarter than he is.
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your
phone number."
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 09 Jul 2006 12:36:26 AM
In article <1hi5uci.b5yiwh1coy9lfN%
>,
(Scott Richter) wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost the war
by the time he was forced to resign.


Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.


Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate that?
It's so un-American.

People like Fred can't distinguish between dissent and disloyalty.


Like Britney Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our
president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you
know, and be faithful in what happens." THAT's the REAL America, isn't
it, Fred!

--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 09 Jul 2006 06:14:09 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-F85E7A.22362608072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <1hi5uci.b5yiwh1coy9lfN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com>,
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Actually, I shouldn't have blamed Ford. Nixon had already lost
the war by the time he was forced to resign.


Nixon didn't lose the war. The peaceniks lost the war.


Oooh, those wascally peaceniks! Citizens expressing their views, even
views that are contrary to the government's. Don't you just hate
that? It's so un-American.


People like Fred can't distinguish between dissent and disloyalty.

People like you *refuse* to distinguish between them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.







User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Fred Stone Calls People Who Don't Want to Go to Iraq "Pusillanimity" (But It's Okay to Him to Not Go) 05 Jul 2006 10:30:47 PM
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:01:33 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already. Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did to
Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of their
pusillanimity.

So when's a Rambo wannabe like you suiting up for Iraq? You already
skipped out of Vietnam, you know, the war you and AWOL so desperatedly
wanted others to fight.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2538 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 10:27:59 PM
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:01:33 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the
House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew
of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house
of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


No, I'm disgusted that the Democrats would waste so much time on
matters that have been investigated to death already.

Oh look, triator Fred Stone thinks it's funny for Bush to out an CIA
agent.

Not only that,
they would use the issue as an excuse to abandon Iraq like they did to
Vietnam, condemning more millions of people to death because of their
pusillanimity.

-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2538 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Ahhhhhh, yessssssss, ummmmmmm - Alito, Alito, Alito"
-duke (duckgumbo@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 59
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.


User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 01:53:57 PM
"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the House
in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew of other
things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house of
Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?

Of course, he is. When all the evidence against BushCo
comes out and they have to admit what they've done,
Fred will cry bitter tears.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 02:08:45 PM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:gKadneOak_sglzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com:

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152121773.569773.248190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...


Fred Stone wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper
and deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least
the House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole
slew of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either
house of Congress.


Why, Fred? Are you afraid what any investigations would find?


Of course, he is. When all the evidence against BushCo
comes out and they have to admit what they've done,
Fred will cry bitter tears.

Of course I'm not. You haven't produced a single credible shred of
evidence *yet*. Nothing. Nada.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.



User: "johac"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 05 Jul 2006 11:45:49 PM
In article <Xns97F752BDB9AAFfstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the House
in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew of other
things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house of
Congress.

S'matter Fred? Afraid they might find out the truth?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Bush Directed Cheney to Counter War Critic 06 Jul 2006 07:12:15 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-C07825.21454905072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns97F752BDB9AAFfstone69@81.174.50.80>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-E2A6FB.23405004072006@news.giganews.com:

In article <orednWwEBupBcTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

In spite of what the neocons want and hope for,
this is not going to go away and be forgotten.
As more and more evidence of the Bush
Administration's illegal and traitorous actions
come to light, they are truly running scarred
and getting vicious, stupid and obvious in their
current actions (both BushCo and the neos).


The hole that they are digging for themselves is getting deeper and
deeper. I only hope that the Democrats can win back at least the
House in November so we can have hearings on this an a whole slew
of other things.


One more reason why the Democrats cannot be trusted with either house
of Congress.


S'matter Fred? Afraid they might find out the truth?

No, disgusted. You Democrats will do anything to be able to abandon
another generation of victims to tyrrany and defeat like you did in
Vietnam, won't you? You really need another few million victims of
genocide and murder on your hands, don't you?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"So I ask my fellow Senators, are we really that frightened of
somebody's willingness to go out and be stupid? In the United States of
America, you have a right to be stupid."
J.F.Kerry
.