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07 Apr 2004 10:39:45 AM |
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"Family Man" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:cYUcc.194$BR1.160@okepread03...
"Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:407419d3$0$1639$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
"U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040407/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Bush is breeding terrorists by the thousands every day. Many people who
would have never thought of joining a terrorist organization are now
signing
up.
After today's start of GW's holocaust you're right.
Biff
Everything George does goes wrong.
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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08 Apr 2004 01:57:53 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes} And they will be Glad to help the Socialist
democrats Get elected.
Kerry voted 11 time to raise the Gas Tax by .50 cents a gallon.
In his first 100 days Kerry plans to raise our taxes 20 trillion
dollars. Democrats ARE Socialists. Welcome to the USSA.
..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
leahcim@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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08 Apr 2004 09:39:34 AM |
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"The Last Church" <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:jjt970dms21pabvj3juc4afmg8ga8t18jt@4ax.com...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes} And they will be Glad to help the Socialist
democrats Get elected.
Kerry voted 11 time to raise the Gas Tax by .50 cents a gallon.
In his first 100 days Kerry plans to raise our taxes 20 trillion
dollars. Democrats ARE Socialists. Welcome to the USSA.
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In the mind of Christ,
Michael
Michael, GW Bush's crazed policies are just that way with or without
terrorists.
And why are Christian Cons like you such hypocrites to your faith and
downright liars about Kerry? Show me his 11 votes regarding raising gas
taxes 50 cents, I understood he simply VERBALLY put it out to be
*considered* and that it was ACTUALLY CHENEY in Congress who PUT FORWARD A
BILL for an OIL IMPORT TAX! Now if you ask me, CHENEY and the
ADMINISTRATION are the ones who need to be on the defensive about Oil Taxes,
NOT Kerry!
And then reason why you think Kerry would raise taxes 20 TRILLION dollars in
the first 100 days! Kerry is for balancing our budget through taxing
Corporation and the richest rich like how Clinton did it. You Cons are
liars throwing out baseless scare and smear tactics. That's all you know
how to do since you're backing up the most spend-crazed man ever appointed
or elected to the White House, GW Bush.
Biff
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20 Apr 2004 10:27:55 PM |
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The Last Church <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<jjt970dms21pabvj3juc4afmg8ga8t18jt@4ax.com>...
Kerry voted 11 time to raise the Gas Tax by .50 cents a gallon.
Actually, you've got it *****-backwards.
It was Gregory Manikow, Chairman of GWB's Council of Economic
Advisors who proposed a 50 cent gasoline tax increase!!!
Now, how do you like them potatoes.
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20 Apr 2004 10:58:33 PM |
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(Chris the Liberal) wrote in
news:b5d75753.0404201927.46119fe9@posting.google.com:
The Last Church <bleahcim49@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:<jjt970dms21pabvj3juc4afmg8ga8t18jt@4ax.com>...
Kerry voted 11 time to raise the Gas Tax by .50 cents a gallon.
Actually, you've got it *****-backwards.
It was Gregory Manikow, Chairman of GWB's Council of Economic
Advisors who proposed a 50 cent gasoline tax increase!!!
Now, how do you like them potatoes.
Which election is he running in?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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12 Apr 2004 08:19:41 AM |
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The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people and got
involved in a war that a very large majority of the people opposed. The
people of Spain therefore used peaceful, democratic means to oust the
government, which ticked off fascists like you who think that government
can do what it wants no matter what the people think.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "john w" |
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13 Apr 2004 01:50:07 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people and got
involved in a war that a very large majority of the people opposed. The
people of Spain therefore used peaceful, democratic means to oust the
government, which ticked off fascists like you who think that government
can do what it wants no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
"When a people are no longer willing to die for their freedom, they
are no longer worthy of being free."
jw
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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14 Apr 2004 12:32:20 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:50:07 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> brave with words as he always is wrote
to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.republicans,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.religion.christianity,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.recovery.religion:
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Why arent't doing your patriotic and christian duty in Iraq, Sjonny?
If anyone gets a hardon blasting mosques (preferably loaded with women
and children) to Kingdom Come it is you.
You might even write some porn novel about it.
"When a people are no longer willing to die for their freedom, they
are no longer worthy of being free."
Those words come very easily. To chairborne generals.
Personally, I think you could manage that war better than the generals
right now. If you could only manage that cross posting problem of
yours...
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14 Apr 2004 04:53:42 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:32:20 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
john w responded
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:50:07 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> brave with words as he always is wrote
to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.republicans,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.religion.christianity,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.recovery.religion:
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Why arent't doing your patriotic and christian duty in Iraq, Sjonny?
What patriotic duty is that? You mean going to war? I'm WAY past the
age for a combat soldier.
If anyone gets a hardon blasting mosques (preferably loaded with women
and children) to Kingdom Come it is you.
You're so kind.
You might even write some porn novel about it.
"When a people are no longer willing to die for their freedom, they
are no longer worthy of being free."
Those words come very easily. To chairborne generals.
I did my time. And these days, last I looked, everyone in Iraq or
Afghanistan who is harm's way is a volunteer. I didn't volunteer for
my war.
When, where, and for how long did YOU serve in which branch of which
nation's military?
Personally, I think you could manage that war better than the generals
right now. If you could only manage that cross posting problem of
yours...
You phonies who cross-post are not funny.
jw
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14 Apr 2004 05:04:39 PM |
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In article <9icr70lasbdtivm3ltk977i0d3c8c6lqth@4ax.com>, God in Heaven wrote:
I did my time. And these days, last I looked, everyone in Iraq or
Afghanistan who is harm's way is a volunteer. I didn't volunteer for
my war.
When, where, and for how long did YOU serve in which branch of which
nation's military?
Oh come off it
You never went anywhere near any war
You were just up the road from me in East Anglia
You were chasing mobile churches
I was in the pub
No more Porkies please!
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14 Apr 2004 08:24:47 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:53:42 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> spammed to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,
alt.politics.republicans,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.religion.christianity,
alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.recovery.religion
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Why arent't doing your patriotic and christian duty in Iraq, Sjonny?
What patriotic duty is that? You mean going to war? I'm WAY past the
age for a combat soldier.
Physically possible. Mentally you have to wait quite a few years to
serve.
If anyone gets a hardon blasting mosques (preferably loaded with women
and children) to Kingdom Come it is you.
You're so kind.
I know. Most people who know me agree.
You might even write some porn novel about it.
"When a people are no longer willing to die for their freedom, they
are no longer worthy of being free."
Those words come very easily. To chairborne generals.
I did my time.
Yes, you told us. Which state penitentiary again?
And these days, last I looked, everyone in Iraq or
Afghanistan who is harm's way is a volunteer.
So were the vikings.
I didn't volunteer for my war.
So?
When, where, and for how long did YOU serve in which branch of which
nation's military?
1979-1986: Royal Netherlands Military Constabulary / Territorial Army.
Draft & volunteer.
Personally, I think you could manage that war better than the generals
right now. If you could only manage that cross posting problem of
yours...
You phonies who cross-post are not funny.
Your cross posting (and the insanities in it) aren't funny either.
Cross posting is not considered good manners. But that is something
you have to learn, when you become [mentally] mature.
Please note I clipped the 9 groups I normally don't post to. Quite
easy to do. You should try it.
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15 Apr 2004 12:20:05 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:53:42 -0700, john w wrote:
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:32:20 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
john w responded
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:50:07 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> brave with words as he always is wrote
to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.republicans,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.religion.christianity,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.recovery.religion:
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Why arent't doing your patriotic and christian duty in Iraq, Sjonny?
What patriotic duty is that? You mean going to war? I'm WAY past the
age for a combat soldier.
You never were a combat soldier, but you could be a chaplain's assistant
w/out pay of course.
If anyone gets a hardon blasting mosques (preferably loaded with women
and children) to Kingdom Come it is you.
You're so kind.
& likely, given your posting history, even odds.
You might even write some porn novel about it.
"When a people are no longer willing to die for their freedom, they
are no longer worthy of being free."
Those words come very easily. To chairborne generals.
I did my time. And these days, last I looked, everyone in Iraq or
No, you did not. according to you, you were released [kicked out] under th
provisions applicable to an undesirable discharge.
You did not, by your own admission, finish your term of service. You even
bragged that you were the reason the USAF made the regulation.
Afghanistan who is harm's way is a volunteer. I didn't volunteer for
my war.
You were not in a war, in spite of your nefarious claims to be a war vet,
you are in fact not any such animal.
When, where, and for how long did YOU serve in which branch of which
nation's military?
61-81, 3 years in Viet Nam, 64-68, in Korea for the tree cutting ceremony
of Jimmy Carter, less than 20 Km. from the border.
& you, you were safe in England, a non combat, non combat support unit &
theater of operations.
Personally, I think you could manage that war better than the generals
right now. If you could only manage that cross posting problem of
yours...
You phonies who cross-post are not funny.
No, you are not funny, except in a sick ulcerous way. Your crossposting is
fine as long as you think you have the upper hand, but when shown for the
charlatan & liar that you are, you start whining about your bad habit being
used by others.
It is beyond your ability to comprehend according to your posting history,
but you are responsible for your own conduct, in real life in the usenet
community.
Your trying to hide under the white ensign f not being responsible due to
your delicate condition is a load of horse *****.
jw
Which one today, the whiner of the year?
walksalone who notes tat per usual, all jw does is imply that it knows what
it s whining about, while trying to denigrate others.
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13 Apr 2004 02:30:00 PM |
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john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people and got
involved in a war that a very large majority of the people opposed. The
people of Spain therefore used peaceful, democratic means to oust the
government, which ticked off fascists like you who think that government
can do what it wants no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's involvement in the
invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish government ignored the will of
90% of the people. The people therefore used their democratic rights to oust
their own government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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13 Apr 2004 02:36:31 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:407C3FB8.3FC561AC@serv.net:
john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote: john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com>
wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election <>
Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people
and got involved in a war that a very large majority of the
people opposed. The people of Spain therefore used peaceful,
democratic means to oust the government, which ticked off
fascists like you who think that government can do what it wants
no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in
Spain that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's
involvement in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish
government ignored the will of 90% of the people. The people
therefore used their democratic rights to oust their own
government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing. --
If only America would follow suit.
--
Tiger
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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13 Apr 2004 03:25:13 PM |
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Tiger wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:407C3FB8.3FC561AC@serv.net:
john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote: john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com>
wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election <>
Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people
and got involved in a war that a very large majority of the
people opposed. The people of Spain therefore used peaceful,
democratic means to oust the government, which ticked off
fascists like you who think that government can do what it wants
no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in
Spain that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's
involvement in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish
government ignored the will of 90% of the people. The people
therefore used their democratic rights to oust their own
government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing. --
If only America would follow suit.
I sincerely hope we do. Notice, though, that the fascists in this
country are already screaming that a vote for anyone other than Bush is
a vote for terrorism. It won't be long before Coulter, Limbaugh,
O`Reilly et al. are demanding the penalty for treason -- death --
against anyone who votes for anyone other than a Republican.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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13 Apr 2004 03:43:09 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:407C4CA9.2B7B5A71@serv.net:
Tiger wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:407C3FB8.3FC561AC@serv.net:
john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote: john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com>
wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed" <> > We
are proud to be helping terrorist use our election <>
Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people
and got involved in a war that a very large majority of the
people opposed. The people of Spain therefore used peaceful,
democratic means to oust the government, which ticked off
fascists like you who think that government can do what it
wants no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards
in Spain that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's
involvement in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish
government ignored the will of 90% of the people. The people
therefore used their democratic rights to oust their own
government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing. --
If only America would follow suit.
I sincerely hope we do. Notice, though, that the fascists in this
country are already screaming that a vote for anyone other than
Bush is a vote for terrorism. It won't be long before Coulter,
Limbaugh, O`Reilly et al. are demanding the penalty for treason --
death -- against anyone who votes for anyone other than a
Republican. --
Don't get me wrong...I don't think Kerry is any better. I think we
should get rid of *everyone* in Washington and start over...this time
with term limits and without the ridiculous retirement benefits. We
need to end the era of "career politicians." I'll never vote for a
major party candidate again.
--
Tiger
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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14 Apr 2004 04:50:08 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:25:13 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
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john w responded
Tiger wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
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john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote: john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com>
wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election <>
Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people
and got involved in a war that a very large majority of the
people opposed. The people of Spain therefore used peaceful,
democratic means to oust the government, which ticked off
fascists like you who think that government can do what it wants
no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in
Spain that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's
involvement in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish
government ignored the will of 90% of the people. The people
therefore used their democratic rights to oust their own
government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing. --
If only America would follow suit.
I sincerely hope we do. Notice, though, that the fascists in this
country are already screaming that a vote for anyone other than Bush is
a vote for terrorism. It won't be long before Coulter, Limbaugh,
O`Reilly et al. are demanding the penalty for treason -- death --
against anyone who votes for anyone other than a Republican.
Well, I happen to live in the most liberal, or one of the most
liberal, states in America, where one isn't considered an American if
he's not a Ted Kennedy Democrat. According to the left wing, no
Republican should hold ANY elected office. You frankly don't believe
in a two-party system.
That makes YOU VERY dangerous.
At least no Republican signed the first infanticide bill in America.
No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office. No Republican SEVERELY infringed on our right to bear arms in
his first month in office.
Billy C committed treason by accepting "campaign contributions" (read
bribes) from the Red Chinese (treason), but his Left-controlled
congress prevented him from being tried on THOSE charges.
jw
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH HAS COMMENCED HIS CRUSADER RELIGIOUS WAR |
14 Apr 2004 08:24:45 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:50:08 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> spammed to:
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Well, I happen to live in the most liberal, or one of the most
liberal, states in America, where one isn't considered an American if
he's not a Ted Kennedy Democrat.
And that very fact makes you a liberal? Have you brain examined, if
you had one, that is.
According to the left wing, no
Republican should hold ANY elected office. You frankly don't believe
in a two-party system.
Indeed, I do not. That is practically a one party state. Either one or
the other party rules. Try coalition governments. Seems to work
reasonably well, in real democracies.
That makes YOU VERY dangerous.
Does it really?
At least no Republican signed the first infanticide bill in America.
Who did? Any idea what the word 'infanticide' means?
No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office.
Who did? Any idea what the word 'homosex' means?
No Republican SEVERELY infringed on our right to bear arms in
his first month in office.
Who was that extremely sensible man who finally cut this imbecilic
right? Clinton, by any chance? He should be awarded a Nobel prize for
that.
Billy C committed treason by accepting "campaign contributions" (read
bribes) from the Red Chinese (treason), but his Left-controlled
congress prevented him from being tried on THOSE charges.
To my knowledge, GW Bush is a deserter of the air force. Didn't he
accept contributions from criminal corporations? Like Enron?
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| User: "Eric Root" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:10:07 AM |
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john w wrote:
(snip)
Well, I happen to live in the most liberal, or one of the most
liberal, states in America, where one isn't considered an American if
he's not a Ted Kennedy Democrat. According to the left wing, no
Republican should hold ANY elected office. You frankly don't believe
in a two-party system.
The left has a lot of good ideas; unfortunately, their excesses left them
vulnerable to the beating they are getting now from the right. The normal,
non-ideological moderates are the victims.
That makes YOU VERY dangerous.
At least no Republican signed the first infanticide bill in America.
Didn't happen in this world, unless you consider all abortions to be infanticide.
No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office.
Didn't happen in this world. Get less of your disinformation from the
Limbaugh-ilk. Homosexual sex was just as forbidden under "Don't ask, don't
tell" (as, in fact heterosexual adultery is now and was then.) Sex in the
barracks for any sexual combination is, in fact, forbidden. It was just that
_the fact_ that someone was gay could not be used against them, and no
government funds or efforts were to be used _digging out_ homosexuals. It's the
job of the military to defend the country, not to grovel to the homophobe agenda.
No Republican SEVERELY infringed on our right to bear arms in
his first month in office.
I'm sure at least one Republican has <8^). I wish the Democrats could resist
kowtowing to people with an unreasonable hatred of guns. Democrat Mark Warner
got elected in Virginia because before people even knew he was running, you'd
see these "Sportsman for Mark Warner" posters showing crossed long guns and
fishing rods. And sure enough, there's been no BS about gun control.
Billy C committed treason by accepting "campaign contributions" (read
bribes) from the Red Chinese (treason), but his Left-controlled
congress prevented him from being tried on THOSE charges.
I agree. If the right had stuck to substantive Clinton screw-ups like that
instead of dishonoring themselves in that crazy circus in the late '90s, they
would not be so justly reviled today.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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15 Apr 2004 08:23:26 AM |
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john w wrote:
You frankly don't believe
in a two-party system.
You are right: I don't. The "two party system" is designed to stifle any
voice that is not one wing or the other. Alternate voices that express any
opinion at all not in strict accordance with Two Party doctrine is censored
when possible and ridiculed when not. I find it apalling that Italy,
Germany, even RUSSIA, for crying out loud, are far more democratic than is
the United States.
That makes YOU VERY dangerous.
Only to Two Party shills who oppose democracy.
At least no Republican signed the first infanticide bill in America.
"Infanticide" is illegal in the United States. Unborn fetuses are not
infants.
No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office.
Gay men and women have ALWAYS served in the United States armed forces. And
please note that the seven and a half years of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
resulted in more expulsions from the military for homosexuality than occured
in the 12 years of the Reagan / Bush administrations.
No Republican SEVERELY infringed on our right to bear arms in
his first month in office.
Presumably, you are talking about the Brady Bill. You may remember that many
Republicans in both houses of Congress voted for the bill, and it has
withstood Supreme Court scrutiny.
Billy C committed treason by accepting "campaign contributions" (read
bribes) from the Red Chinese (treason), but his Left-controlled
congress prevented him from being tried on THOSE charges.
This would be the very same "left-controlled Congress" that impeached him
for having an extramarital affair? Presumably, the allegations of bribes and
treason were no where near as serious.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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15 Apr 2004 02:51:13 PM |
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No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office.
Gay men and women have ALWAYS served in the United States armed forces. And
please note that the seven and a half years of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
resulted in more expulsions from the military for homosexuality than occured
in the 12 years of the Reagan / Bush administrations.
And recently that policy ended up directly harming our intelligence efforts
when seven military linguists (five of them Arabic linguists) were expunged
from the service for homosexual conduct. The only people who this helped were
Saddam Hussein as well as Osama Bin Laden and his allies.
Basically what the military did was to emulate the religious values of the
terrorists and weakened our intelligence efforts in the process. The officers
who fought for their discharge should be brought up on Article 104 charges of
aiding the enemy during a time of war.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH HAS COMMENCED HIS CRUSADER RELIGIOUS WAR |
16 Apr 2004 09:27:51 PM |
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On 15 Apr 2004 19:51:13 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert),
Message ID: <20040415155113.01314.00000418@mb-m14.aol.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
No Republican opened the military to homosex in his first month in
office.
Gay men and women have ALWAYS served in the United States armed forces. And
please note that the seven and a half years of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
resulted in more expulsions from the military for homosexuality than occured
in the 12 years of the Reagan / Bush administrations.
And recently that policy ended up directly harming our intelligence efforts
when seven military linguists (five of them Arabic linguists) were expunged
from the service for homosexual conduct. The only people who this helped were
Saddam Hussein as well as Osama Bin Laden and his allies.
Basically what the military did was to emulate the religious values of the
terrorists and weakened our intelligence efforts in the process. The officers
who fought for their discharge should be brought up on Article 104 charges of
aiding the enemy during a time of war.
Agreed, but that takes honor-which is absent. :\
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: BUSH HAS COMMENCED HIS CRUSADER RELIGIOUS WAR |
14 Apr 2004 04:45:55 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:36:31 GMT, Tiger <Tiger@box.invalid> wrote:
john w responded
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:407C3FB8.3FC561AC@serv.net:
john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote: john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com>
wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election <>
Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people
and got involved in a war that a very large majority of the
people opposed. The people of Spain therefore used peaceful,
democratic means to oust the government, which ticked off
fascists like you who think that government can do what it wants
no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in
Spain that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's
involvement in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish
government ignored the will of 90% of the people. The people
therefore used their democratic rights to oust their own
government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing. --
If only America would follow suit.
America duly elected George W Bush, if by the never-before-used US
Supreme Court process, and America will duly elect a President in
November, hopefully George W Bush.
As he said during his speech last night, he drew his line in the sand,
telling Saddam, "You will disarm by this date, or we will disarm you."
He has proved to the world that when he says something, he means it.
Now Iran is laying down THEIR nuclear program, India and Pakistan are
AGAIN in negotiations, and Libya has abandoned ITS nuclear program.
What George W Bush has done is to change the globe we live on. There
is now one major nation in the Middle East that will soon have a
democratically elected, democratic government, in spite of the most
vehement, blood efforts of the Muslims to carve it up with guns.
What do YOU have against liberty?
jw
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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14 Apr 2004 08:24:43 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:45:55 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> spammed to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,
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America duly elected George W Bush, if by the never-before-used US
Supreme Court process, and America will duly elect a President in
November, hopefully George W Bush.
So he wasn't appointed by SCOTUS?
As he said during his speech last night, he drew his line in the sand,
telling Saddam, "You will disarm by this date, or we will disarm you."
Hitler said similar things. There is one big difference between Hitler
and Bush though: Hitler was a very capable politician.
He has proved to the world that when he says something, he means it.
The world knows now that what Bush wants, Bush gets.
Now Iran is laying down THEIR nuclear program, India and Pakistan are
AGAIN in negotiations, and Libya has abandoned ITS nuclear program.
And North Korea? Argentina? Chile? South Africa? Israel? Ukraine?
Bjelorussia?
What George W Bush has done is to change the globe we live on.
Indeed, he certainly did that. Not unlikely he will be seen in history
as the man that caused the second wave of crusades. Osama Bin Laden
couldn't wish for a better ally. With enemies like him, who needs
allies?
There
is now one major nation in the Middle East that will soon have a
democratically elected, democratic government, in spite of the most
vehement, blood efforts of the Muslims to carve it up with guns.
Which nation would that be? Afghanistan? How is democracy doing there?
I recall it has been 'liberated' quite some time now.
What do YOU have against liberty?
Do you still rape your granddaughter?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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14 Apr 2004 12:32:22 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:30:00 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's involvement in the
invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish government ignored the will of
90% of the people. The people therefore used their democratic rights to oust
their own government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing.
Well, that is what makes them cowards. They don't do exactly what
Sjonny wants them to do: die for America's right to liberate the oil.
That Sjonny needs to burn in his SUV.
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| User: "john w" |
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14 Apr 2004 04:41:30 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:30:00 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
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john w responded
john w wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:19:41 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
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john w responded
The Last Church wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:39:45 -0700, "Biff" <nospam@aol.com> wrote:
<"Family Man"
<> "Biff"
<> > "U.S. Hits Mosque Compound; 40 Said Killed"
<> > We are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
<> > Prosess against us.
They are proud to be helping terrorist use our election
Process against us. Did they help the Socialist in Spain
Get elected? [Yes}
Because the previous government defied the will of the people and got
involved in a war that a very large majority of the people opposed. The
people of Spain therefore used peaceful, democratic means to oust the
government, which ticked off fascists like you who think that government
can do what it wants no matter what the people think.
The American people did not and do not agree with the cowards in Spain
that this war was/is unjust.
Irrelevant. Ninety percent of Spaniards opposed Spain's involvement in the
invasion and occupation of Iraq. The Spanish government ignored the will of
90% of the people. The people therefore used their democratic rights to oust
their own government. Only fascists would say this was a bad thing.
I just said it was a bad thing, and I'm no fascist. I think perhaps
You are a fascist since you apparently reject the deliverance of a
people who have been enslaved by a despot, such as Saddam. If, let's
say, in 5 years, YOUR nation were overrun by a brutal thug, and YOU
were suddenly confined to YOUR home, subject to immediate and brutal
execution for DARING to walk outside your front door, would YOU want
"America" to rescue YOU?
What you are saying is that if it's not YOUR nation under the tyrant's
thumb, YOU could care less!
"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing; I was not a Jew; and all
the Jews in my neighborhood were dragged away. When they came for the
coloreds, I did nothing; I was not colored; and all the coloreds were
dragged away. When they came for the Orientals, I did nothing; I was
not an Oriental, and so all the Orientals in my neighborhood were
dragged away. When they came for ME, I was dragged away, because there
was no one left in my neighborhood to defend me."
Europe is free today because the Americans and allies of WW I and
WW II cared. We understood that freedom is precious enough that it
must be paid for in human blood.
Today's long-cherished freedoms may be about to expire because Europe
and too many Americans have long since forgotten.
The Bible DOES command we who are stronger to defend those who are
weaker.
"Of whom MUCH is given is much required."
jw
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14 Apr 2004 05:19:43 PM |
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In article <ihbr70hdgc28aksn5tdtf4nb2catbi7pgr@4ax.com>, God in Heaven wrote:
. I think perhaps
You are a fascist since you apparently reject the deliverance of a
people who have been enslaved by a despot, such as Saddam. If, let's
say, in 5 years, YOUR nation were overrun by a brutal thug, and YOU
were suddenly confined to YOUR home, subject to immediate and brutal
execution for DARING to walk outside your front door, would YOU want
"America" to rescue YOU?
But your nation HAS been overrun by a brutal thug backed by the most
idiotically fanatical religious group of loonies ever seen in America to
promote themselves as an Administration
AND how would you like it (do you like it) when a foreign and equally
fanatical bunch of loonies sets about "liberating" you! Sauce for the
goose is sauce for the gander! That is what is going on!
What you are saying is that if it's not YOUR nation under the tyrant's
thumb, YOU could care less!
Trust me we care! We are sick to death of OUR Bush worshipping Government
"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing; I was not a Jew; and all
the Jews in my neighborhood were dragged away. When they came for the
coloreds, I did nothing; I was not colored; and all the coloreds were
dragged away. When they came for the Orientals, I did nothing; I was
not an Oriental, and so all the Orientals in my neighborhood were
dragged away. When they came for ME, I was dragged away, because there
was no one left in my neighborhood to defend me."
A good quote - but you are not in this issue in the role of the internal
DEFENDER. You are the OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE - an outside inteference that
CAUSED the very problem you now claim to be SOLVING
Europe is free today because the Americans and allies of WW I and
WW II cared. We understood that freedom is precious enough that it
must be paid for in human blood.
No that is not the case. That is NOT the nature of freedom. The loss of
life in Europe was caused by decades of disasterous peace time policy at
the hands of governments who were more there to protect privelege and
build empires than to administer and promote peaceful societies
Today's long-cherished freedoms may be about to expire because Europe
and too many Americans have long since forgotten.
Americans would certainly seem to have forgotten that all bullying does is
promote bullies on the other side.
Your error is to see anyone who does not support the hopeless Republican
Administration Foreign Policy as "UNPATRIOTIC"
In most cases those who oppose the policies are equally patriotic but less
naive and stupid.
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14 Apr 2004 08:24:41 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:41:30 -0700, john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> spammed to:
alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.religion.christian,alt.atheism,alt.politics.democrats.d,
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alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.recovery.religion
I just said it was a bad thing, and I'm no fascist.
That you definitely are.
I think perhaps
You are a fascist since you apparently reject the deliverance of a
people who have been enslaved by a despot, such as Saddam.
Did those people ask to be liberated? Any plans to liberate other
countries? Or does that depend on the amount of [sp]oil[s] to be
liberated as well?
If, let's
say, in 5 years, YOUR nation were overrun by a brutal thug, and YOU
were suddenly confined to YOUR home, subject to immediate and brutal
execution for DARING to walk outside your front door, would YOU want
"America" to rescue YOU?
Absolutely not. Because that brutal thug is more than likely the
American Fuhrer.
What you are saying is that if it's not YOUR nation under the tyrant's
thumb, YOU could care less!
Again, wrong. You don't really know what others care about. But the
liberation of Iraq focussed on liberating the oil and not much else.
"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing; I was not a Jew; and all
the Jews in my neighborhood were dragged away. When they came for the
coloreds, I did nothing; I was not colored; and all the coloreds were
dragged away. When they came for the Orientals, I did nothing; I was
not an Oriental, and so all the Orientals in my neighborhood were
dragged away. When they came for ME, I was dragged away, because there
was no one left in my neighborhood to defend me."
Appropriate. Wish they'd come for you.
Europe is free today because the Americans and allies of WW I and
WW II cared.
Financial gain and political power played a pretty big part in that
undertaking.
We understood that freedom is precious enough that it
must be paid for in human blood.
Wrong. The governments were worried about Allied debts going down the
drain with an Central/Axis victory. Freedom was a convenient excuse to
get into the action. Talking about freedom: I recall good ol' Joe
Stalin got pretty much support too.
Today's long-cherished freedoms may be about to expire because Europe
and too many Americans have long since forgotten.
Today, the Nazis rule Washington and plunder whatever they like.
The Bible DOES command we who are stronger to defend those who are
weaker.
In some parts, it does. In others it does not. It does command however
to be utterly merciless to the enemies of the Hebrews.
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| User: "Eric Root" |
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15 Apr 2004 12:22:26 AM |
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john w wrote:
(snip)
I just said it was a bad thing, and I'm no fascist. I think perhaps
You are a fascist since you apparently reject the deliverance of a
people who have been enslaved by a despot, such as Saddam. If, let's
say, in 5 years, YOUR nation were overrun by a brutal thug, and YOU
were suddenly confined to YOUR home, subject to immediate and brutal
execution for DARING to walk outside your front door, would YOU want
"America" to rescue YOU?
What you are saying is that if it's not YOUR nation under the tyrant's
thumb, YOU could care less!
This is true, and the Iraqi people deserve to be rid of Saddam, but the war
should have been sold to the people honestly. Bush should have said, "the Iraqi
people deserve to be free, so let's turn our backs on the war on terrorism, and
even though in fact, there is no connection with 9/11, let's run up huge bills
doing it." _Then_ let the public decide.
Europe is free today because the Americans and allies of WW I and
WW II cared. We understood that freedom is precious enough that it
must be paid for in human blood.
Today's long-cherished freedoms may be about to expire because Europe
and too many Americans have long since forgotten.
The Bible DOES command we who are stronger to defend those who are
weaker.
"Of whom MUCH is given is much required."
jw
OK, but it should have been sold to the American public as pure, expensive charity,
with the only benefit the liberal one of knowing we did a good deed (_if_ the
results turn out all right). The way Bush did it was just plain dishonest and
dishonorable.
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