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User: "Barney Lyon"
Date: 21 Feb 2005 05:29:52 PM
Object: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK!
Contact your representatives in Congress today. Tell them to keep Bush
from destroying social security AND that you want the Medicare Reform
Act of 2003 repealed! They work for you, not the other way around!
Social Security: Senior Citizens Should Sink the Swift Boaters; Throw a
Life Preserver to AARP
Let's strengthen the system we have now, before considering private
accounts
By Tucker Sutherland, editor, SeniorJournal.com
Feb. 21, 2005 - The battle over how to reform Social Security is
about to get ugly. The Bush team hopes to squash the AARP by using some
of the same tactics they used to dispatch John Kerry in the
presidential race. The people responsible for the infamous "Swift Boat
Veterans" campaign are now gearing up to sink AARP because of their
opposition to the Bush plan to take money out of the Social Security
program and put it in private investment accounts.
At the same time, Bush loyalist are hitting the campaign trail this
week to promote the idea of private investment accounts and they are
armed with a training CD and 30-page memo from Frank Luntz, a veteran
Republican strategist, teaching them how to sell the idea to voters.
"To older Americans, Luntz suggests stressing that their benefits will
be safe but that their grandchildren's are threatened unless Bush gets
his way," according to Steven Thomma and James Kuhnhenn who reported
the story for Knight Ridder Newspapers.
"This point, though simple, is extraordinarily powerful, especially
with older women. ... It is the only way that you can sell them on this
proposal," continues the Luntz instructions
The Bush campaign for private accounts is also using tactics the
administration used effectively in getting public support for the
invasion of Iraq. It is much like the old bait-and-switch tactics used
by unscrupulous retailers. In that campaign, they kept holding up the
vision of the terrorist attack on New York and talking about the war on
terror, and they would mention attacking Iraq. In reality, there was no
association between the two - the situation in Iraq and the war on
the people who attacked American on September 11, 2001.
A similar tactic is being used now in the Social Security campaign. In
every speech the President tell us how the Social Security system in
going to run out of money if something is not done to make changes.
Then he talks about his idea for private investment accounts.
Private investment accounts will do nothing to improve the viability of
Social Security. Allowing taxpayers to divert taxes they now pay to
support Social Security into the stock market will only make Social
Security run out of money faster.
But, raising the alarm about Social Security running out of money -
just as Bush did about the threat from terrorist - and then
mentioning private investment accounts - just as he did Iraq - too
many voters come away thinking they are related.
"Siphoning money from Social Security will not strengthen it," says
David Certner, AARP's director of federal affairs. "It will just make
the problem much worse."
AARP is right on this one. We have not always agreed with AARP and
often find it difficult to see this monolithic, self-perpetuating
organization that makes billions from selling stuff to older Americans
as a voice for senior citizens. Okay, I know they claim the
organization that sells insurance, drugs, investments, etc., is
different from the membership organization. Then, too, when they try to
speak for people as young as 50, they are really not a senior
citizens' organization.
It was hard to understand why they supported the Bush Medicare package,
without looking at all they money that comes into AARP from selling
insurance and drugs. You just had to think they saw financial benefits
to supporting the President's Medicare program that was going to push
more business and tons of federal dollars to private organizations.
Still, AARP does provide some good services for senior citizens and
baby boomers and I don't think they are deserving of the bashing they
are about to take.
"The lobbying group, USA Next, which has poured millions of dollars
into Republican policy battles, now says it plans to spend as much as
$10 million on commercials and other tactics assailing AARP, the
powerhouse lobby opposing the private investment accounts at the center
of Bush's plan," reported Glen Justice in the New York Times.
Justice wrote, "'They are the boulder in the middle of the highway to
personal savings accounts,' said Charlie Jarvis, the group's
president and former deputy secretary for the interior in the Reagan
and first Bush administrations. 'We will be the dynamite that removes
them.'"
Jarvis said the group's goal was to peel off one million members from
the AARP, by presenting itself as a conservative, free-market
alternative. He says USA Next surveys show more than 37 percent of the
AARP members call themselves Republicans, according to Justice.
"We are going to take them on in hand-to-hand combat," said Jarvis, who
is biting in his remarks about AARP, calling the group "stodgy,
overweight, bureaucratic and out of touch."
Formerly known as the United Seniors Association, USA Next was founded
in 1991 by Richard Viguerie, a Republican pioneer and mastermind of
direct mailings, who raised millions from older Americans using
solicitations that sent alarming messages about Social Security.
To allow taxpayers to invest part of their Social Security tax may not
be a bad idea. But, it is not part of the discussion over how we
strengthen Social Security to assure it can pay benefits for future
generations.
Let's first decide how we are going to assure future payments, and
then we can discuss some private investment opportunity as an add-on
that may increase more Social Security income for our children.
We also need to stand up AARP's right to state a public opinion
without facing destruction by a vicious political machine. They way
they plan to destroy AARP is by convincing members to cancel their
memberships.
Frankly, I have not renewed my membership, but I am going to do so
today. I hope you will join me. And, maybe even more important, I hope
you will not cancel your membership if it is already paid.
Let's put the brakes on private accounts right now. Let's decide
first how we are going to actually strengthen the Social Security
program we have now.
http://64.23.76.120/NEWS/Opinion/5-02-21SwiftBoaters.htm
A voice of reason called AARP
It's hard to be undecided about Social Security solvency when you hear
from Oregonians who revere the program
Friday, February 18, 2005
It's too bad Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., wasn't at the Portland hotel
where AARP presented its proposal Tuesday for strengthening Social
Security.
Smith is still considering President Bush's partial-privatization plan.
He would have gotten an earful from Oregon seniors who resent what the
White House is trying to do and solidly back AARP's more
straightforward and sensible strategy for guaranteeing Social Security
solvency.
Oregon leaders of the huge national advocacy group for retirees put on
a beautifully lucid, honest and nonpartisan presentation of AARP's
Social Security platform. The truly remarkable part of Tuesday's forum,
however, came when AARP staff members with microphones waded
Oprah-style out into the audience of some 200 mostly older Oregonians
to invite their questions.
Instead came a tsunami of emotion. Speaker after speaker condemned the
Bush initiative to divert Social Security payroll taxes into voluntary
"personal accounts" for younger workers. The words "betrayed" and
"betrayal" reverberated in the conference room. Several speakers called
on AARP to step up its outreach to younger Americans who aren't fully
aware of the political threat to the nation's most successful, and
obviously revered, social program.
Most of the speakers were older than 55 and thus safe from any benefit
cuts under the promise Bush made in his State of the Union address. No
matter. These Oregonians voiced outrage that future generations might
be denied the basic safety net of Social Security.
With tears in his eyes, an older man in a wheelchair thundered that his
life, and the life of his son, would have been destroyed but for Social
Security.
A woman told how Social Security saved her from ruin when a
debilitating disease left her unable to work.
Another man described how Social Security enabled him to afford child
care when his wife died, leaving him with three youngsters to care for.
One of the more poignant stories came from Jane Sharp, AARP's president
for Oregon. She explained how much Social Security means to her
97-year-old mother, who outlived her savings a long time ago.
"Without Social Security, 52 percent of elderly women would be poor,
and I think my mother would be among them," Sharp said.
AARP supports three basic moves to address most of Social Security's
future funding gap: raising the cap on the amount of wages taxed to
support the program, expanding it to include all newly hired state and
local government workers, and investing part of the program's surplus
so it earns higher returns than those from U.S. Treasury bonds
(www.aarp.org/socialsecurity).
The AARP folks pretty much kept politics out of their presentation,
other than to urge audience members to contact their congressional
representatives. Pam Harkins of AARP singled out Sen. Smith for special
attention, noting that he's on the powerful Senate Finance Committee,
heads the Senate Committee on Aging, and is "sitting on the fence" in
the Social Security debate.
A couple of hours Tuesday at the DoubleTree Hotel at Lloyd Center would
have made the fence a most uncomfortable place for Smith to sit.
http://www.oregonlive.com/editorials/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1108732141202430.xml
Contact your representatives in Congress today. Tell them to keep Bush
from destroying social security AND that you want the Medicare Reform
Act of 2003 repealed! They work for you, not the other way around!
.

User: "justice-for-all"

Title: Re: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK! 21 Feb 2005 07:54:05 PM
Barney Lyon wrote:

Contact your representatives in Congress today. Tell them to keep

Bush

from destroying social security AND that you want the Medicare Reform
Act of 2003 repealed! They work for you, not the other way around!


Social Security: Senior Citizens Should Sink the Swift Boaters; Throw

a

Life Preserver to AARP
Let's strengthen the system we have now, before considering private
accounts
By Tucker Sutherland, editor, SeniorJournal.com

Feb. 21, 2005 - The battle over how to reform Social Security is
about to get ugly. The Bush team hopes to squash the AARP by using

some

of the same tactics they used to dispatch John Kerry in the
presidential race. The people responsible for the infamous "Swift

Boat

Veterans" campaign are now gearing up to sink AARP because of their
opposition to the Bush plan to take money out of the Social Security
program and put it in private investment accounts.

At the same time, Bush loyalist are hitting the campaign trail this
week to promote the idea of private investment accounts and they are
armed with a training CD and 30-page memo from Frank Luntz, a veteran
Republican strategist, teaching them how to sell the idea to voters.

"To older Americans, Luntz suggests stressing that their benefits

will

be safe but that their grandchildren's are threatened unless Bush

gets

his way," according to Steven Thomma and James Kuhnhenn who reported
the story for Knight Ridder Newspapers.

"This point, though simple, is extraordinarily powerful, especially
with older women. ... It is the only way that you can sell them on

this

proposal," continues the Luntz instructions

The Bush campaign for private accounts is also using tactics the
administration used effectively in getting public support for the
invasion of Iraq. It is much like the old bait-and-switch tactics

used

by unscrupulous retailers. In that campaign, they kept holding up the
vision of the terrorist attack on New York and talking about the war

on

terror, and they would mention attacking Iraq. In reality, there was

no

association between the two - the situation in Iraq and the war on
the people who attacked American on September 11, 2001.

A similar tactic is being used now in the Social Security campaign.

In

every speech the President tell us how the Social Security system in
going to run out of money if something is not done to make changes.
Then he talks about his idea for private investment accounts.

Private investment accounts will do nothing to improve the viability

of

Social Security. Allowing taxpayers to divert taxes they now pay to
support Social Security into the stock market will only make Social
Security run out of money faster.

But, raising the alarm about Social Security running out of money -
just as Bush did about the threat from terrorist - and then
mentioning private investment accounts - just as he did Iraq - too
many voters come away thinking they are related.

"Siphoning money from Social Security will not strengthen it," says
David Certner, AARP's director of federal affairs. "It will just make
the problem much worse."

AARP is right on this one. We have not always agreed with AARP and
often find it difficult to see this monolithic, self-perpetuating
organization that makes billions from selling stuff to older

Americans

as a voice for senior citizens. Okay, I know they claim the
organization that sells insurance, drugs, investments, etc., is
different from the membership organization. Then, too, when they try

to

speak for people as young as 50, they are really not a senior
citizens' organization.

It was hard to understand why they supported the Bush Medicare

package,

without looking at all they money that comes into AARP from selling
insurance and drugs. You just had to think they saw financial

benefits

to supporting the President's Medicare program that was going to push
more business and tons of federal dollars to private organizations.

Still, AARP does provide some good services for senior citizens and
baby boomers and I don't think they are deserving of the bashing they
are about to take.

"The lobbying group, USA Next, which has poured millions of dollars
into Republican policy battles, now says it plans to spend as much as
$10 million on commercials and other tactics assailing AARP, the
powerhouse lobby opposing the private investment accounts at the

center

of Bush's plan," reported Glen Justice in the New York Times.

Justice wrote, "'They are the boulder in the middle of the highway to
personal savings accounts,' said Charlie Jarvis, the group's
president and former deputy secretary for the interior in the Reagan
and first Bush administrations. 'We will be the dynamite that removes
them.'"

Jarvis said the group's goal was to peel off one million members from
the AARP, by presenting itself as a conservative, free-market
alternative. He says USA Next surveys show more than 37 percent of

the

AARP members call themselves Republicans, according to Justice.

"We are going to take them on in hand-to-hand combat," said Jarvis,

who

is biting in his remarks about AARP, calling the group "stodgy,
overweight, bureaucratic and out of touch."

Formerly known as the United Seniors Association, USA Next was

founded

in 1991 by Richard Viguerie, a Republican pioneer and mastermind of
direct mailings, who raised millions from older Americans using
solicitations that sent alarming messages about Social Security.

To allow taxpayers to invest part of their Social Security tax may

not

be a bad idea. But, it is not part of the discussion over how we
strengthen Social Security to assure it can pay benefits for future
generations.

Let's first decide how we are going to assure future payments, and
then we can discuss some private investment opportunity as an add-on
that may increase more Social Security income for our children.

We also need to stand up AARP's right to state a public opinion
without facing destruction by a vicious political machine. They way
they plan to destroy AARP is by convincing members to cancel their
memberships.

Frankly, I have not renewed my membership, but I am going to do so
today. I hope you will join me. And, maybe even more important, I

hope

you will not cancel your membership if it is already paid.

Let's put the brakes on private accounts right now. Let's decide
first how we are going to actually strengthen the Social Security
program we have now.
http://64.23.76.120/NEWS/Opinion/5-02-21SwiftBoaters.htm

A voice of reason called AARP
It's hard to be undecided about Social Security solvency when you

hear

from Oregonians who revere the program
Friday, February 18, 2005

It's too bad Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., wasn't at the Portland hotel
where AARP presented its proposal Tuesday for strengthening Social
Security.

Smith is still considering President Bush's partial-privatization

plan.

He would have gotten an earful from Oregon seniors who resent what

the

White House is trying to do and solidly back AARP's more
straightforward and sensible strategy for guaranteeing Social

Security

solvency.

Oregon leaders of the huge national advocacy group for retirees put

on

a beautifully lucid, honest and nonpartisan presentation of AARP's
Social Security platform. The truly remarkable part of Tuesday's

forum,

however, came when AARP staff members with microphones waded
Oprah-style out into the audience of some 200 mostly older Oregonians
to invite their questions.

Instead came a tsunami of emotion. Speaker after speaker condemned

the

Bush initiative to divert Social Security payroll taxes into

voluntary

"personal accounts" for younger workers. The words "betrayed" and
"betrayal" reverberated in the conference room. Several speakers

called

on AARP to step up its outreach to younger Americans who aren't fully
aware of the political threat to the nation's most successful, and
obviously revered, social program.

Most of the speakers were older than 55 and thus safe from any

benefit

cuts under the promise Bush made in his State of the Union address.

No

matter. These Oregonians voiced outrage that future generations might
be denied the basic safety net of Social Security.

With tears in his eyes, an older man in a wheelchair thundered that

his

life, and the life of his son, would have been destroyed but for

Social

Security.

A woman told how Social Security saved her from ruin when a
debilitating disease left her unable to work.

Another man described how Social Security enabled him to afford child
care when his wife died, leaving him with three youngsters to care

for.



One of the more poignant stories came from Jane Sharp, AARP's

president

for Oregon. She explained how much Social Security means to her
97-year-old mother, who outlived her savings a long time ago.

"Without Social Security, 52 percent of elderly women would be poor,
and I think my mother would be among them," Sharp said.

AARP supports three basic moves to address most of Social Security's
future funding gap: raising the cap on the amount of wages taxed to
support the program, expanding it to include all newly hired state

and

local government workers, and investing part of the program's surplus
so it earns higher returns than those from U.S. Treasury bonds
(www.aarp.org/socialsecurity).

The AARP folks pretty much kept politics out of their presentation,
other than to urge audience members to contact their congressional
representatives. Pam Harkins of AARP singled out Sen. Smith for

special

attention, noting that he's on the powerful Senate Finance Committee,
heads the Senate Committee on Aging, and is "sitting on the fence" in
the Social Security debate.

A couple of hours Tuesday at the DoubleTree Hotel at Lloyd Center

would

have made the fence a most uncomfortable place for Smith to sit.

http://www.oregonlive.com/editorials/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1108732141202430.xml




Contact your representatives in Congress today. Tell them to keep

Bush

from destroying social security AND that you want the Medicare Reform
Act of 2003 repealed! They work for you, not the other way around!

------
THE GREEDY BASTARDS AT AARP WERE EXPOSED AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEIR
MEMBERS LEFT THEM...THEY CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE
NOT POSTING TO SENIOR GROUPS..PEDDLE YOUR AARP PROPAGANDA SOME WHERE
ELSE.SENIORS ARE NOT STUPID, ALTHOUGH THEY SURE DID RAISE SOME GREEDY
CON-ARTISTS.
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK! 21 Feb 2005 07:36:19 PM
On 21 Feb 2005 15:29:52 -0800, "Barney Lyon"
<fountaingrove@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:

Contact your representatives in Congress today. Tell them to keep Bush
from destroying social security AND that you want the Medicare Reform
Act of 2003 repealed! They work for you, not the other way around!

We would like it to be that way. Unfortunately it no longer is.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.

User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK! 21 Feb 2005 07:52:41 PM
TV's Barney Lyon wrote:

"We are going to take them on in hand-to-hand combat," said Jarvis, who
is biting in his remarks about AARP, calling the group "stodgy,
overweight, bureaucratic and out of touch."

That sounds just like....the Bush administration.
--
Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "justice-for-all"

Title: Re: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK! 21 Feb 2005 09:33:46 PM
towelie wrote:

TV's Barney Lyon wrote:

"We are going to take them on in hand-to-hand combat," said Jarvis,

who

is biting in his remarks about AARP, calling the group "stodgy,
overweight, bureaucratic and out of touch."


That sounds just like....the Bush administration.

--

Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as

fast -

Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the

next fool

martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133

ap #19

.

User: "justice-for-all"

Title: Re: Bush Hires the Architects for Swift Boaters' Campaign to Destroy AARP & Force Social Security Privatization - PUSH BACK! 21 Feb 2005 07:57:52 PM
towelie wrote:

TV's Barney Lyon wrote:

"We are going to take them on in hand-to-hand combat," said Jarvis,

who

is biting in his remarks about AARP, calling the group "stodgy,
overweight, bureaucratic and out of touch."


That sounds just like....the Bush administration.

--

Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as

fast -

Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the

next fool

martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19

---
This is AARP PROPAGANDA MIXED WITH MORONIC POSTERS..GET LOST.
.



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