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"Xomicron" |
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22 Jul 2004 02:24:41 PM |
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Bush is set to win |
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the same
mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that if they
can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him too.
Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there going,
Huh?
Let me give you brief and incomplete list of claims which keeping being
regurgitated that will not help Kerry win:
1. Bush stole the last election
2. Anything doing with military service from prior to the last 10 years
3. Anything doing with behavior prior to entering public service (i.e. Bush
was a druggie, Bush was a DUI)
4. Bush is an idiot.
5. Bush lied to get us into Iraq (most people think he was sincere) - NOTE:
this is different than Bush was wrong about Iraq.
Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election. Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
Kerry's campaign message is not what is being talked about - not at the
water cooler - not on this message board. All you hear is people trying to
get people to hate Bush - and its not working.
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| User: "Mr. N" |
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22 Jul 2004 05:40:26 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election. Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-George W. Bush, April 9, 1999
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| User: "BOB SD" |
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22 Jul 2004 06:02:58 PM |
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"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election. Why?
Because the people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their
candidate.
If Bush wins the election, America loses.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html
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| User: "Mr. Smith" |
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22 Jul 2004 03:10:09 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:utesvh40w3j6$.dlg@system.alaska.xm...
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the
same
mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that if they
can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him too.
Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there going,
Huh?
Let me give you brief and incomplete list of claims which keeping being
regurgitated that will not help Kerry win:
1. Bush stole the last election
2. Anything doing with military service from prior to the last 10 years
3. Anything doing with behavior prior to entering public service (i.e.
Bush
was a druggie, Bush was a DUI)
4. Bush is an idiot.
5. Bush lied to get us into Iraq (most people think he was sincere) -
NOTE:
this is different than Bush was wrong about Iraq.
Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election.
Like the the one he 'won' last time.
Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
Kerry's campaign message is not what is being talked about - not at the
water cooler - not on this message board. All you hear is people trying to
get people to hate Bush - and its not working.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Bush is set to win |
22 Jul 2004 03:17:50 PM |
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"Mr. Smith" <Rightards_Suck3@neocons_bite.com> wrote in
news:BaVLc.108006$eO.66700@edtnps89:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
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| User: "Mr. N" |
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22 Jul 2004 05:40:59 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
If a Muslim said this, you'd call him a 'terrorist'.
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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to
explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-George W. Bush, April 9, 1999
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| User: "Mr. Smith" |
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22 Jul 2004 06:34:07 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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"Mr. Smith" <Rightards_Suck3@neocons_bite.com> wrote in
news:BaVLc.108006$eO.66700@edtnps89:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
You're a ***** :)
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| User: "Tyler Banks" |
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22 Jul 2004 05:58:31 PM |
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Xomicron wrote:
"Mr. Smith" <Rightards_Suck3@neocons_bite.com> wrote in
news:BaVLc.108006$eO.66700@edtnps89:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
No surprise because you demonstrate a weak will and an even weaker mind.
You stupid childish right wing troll.
Newsgroups trolled (deleted):
alt.fan.art-bell,microsoft.public.games,alt.abortion,alt.spacebastards
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| User: "Tyler Banks" |
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22 Jul 2004 05:56:50 PM |
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Xomicron wrote:
"Mr. Smith" <Rightards_Suck3@neocons_bite.com> wrote in
news:BaVLc.108006$eO.66700@edtnps89:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
No surprise because you demonstrate a week will and an even weaker mind.
You stupid childish troll.
Newsgroups trolled (deleted):
alt.fan.art-bell,microsoft.public.games,alt.abortion,alt.spacebastards
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| User: "Marvin" |
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22 Jul 2004 07:21:22 PM |
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"Tyler Banks" <tbanksandfamily@yahoo.se> wrote in message
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Xomicron wrote:
"Mr. Smith" <Rightards_Suck3@neocons_bite.com> wrote in
news:BaVLc.108006$eO.66700@edtnps89:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders
I agree with this poast.
Poast? Toasted pumpernikel, perhaps? Poached, uh, steak?
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Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "Invader Zim" |
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22 Jul 2004 04:02:31 PM |
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This entire thread is off-topic aNd not related to pc games.
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the
same
mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that if they
can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him too.
Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there
going,
Huh?
Let me give you brief and incomplete list of claims which keeping being
regurgitated that will not help Kerry win:
1. Bush stole the last election
2. Anything doing with military service from prior to the last 10 years
3. Anything doing with behavior prior to entering public service (i.e.
Bush
was a druggie, Bush was a DUI)
4. Bush is an idiot.
5. Bush lied to get us into Iraq (most people think he was sincere) -
NOTE:
this is different than Bush was wrong about Iraq.
Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election.
Like the the one he 'won' last time.
Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
Kerry's campaign message is not what is being talked about - not at the
water cooler - not on this message board. All you hear is people trying
to
get people to hate Bush - and its not working.
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| User: "Tak" |
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23 Jul 2004 09:06:26 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:02:31 +1000, "Invader Zim"
<babyap2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This entire thread is off-topic aNd not related to pc games.
Its a troll doofus. What makes you think he gives a damn?
Tak a#344
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God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it
says so right here on the label. If you have a mind
capable of believing all three of these divine attributes
simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No
checks, please. Cash and in small bills.
*RAH*
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| User: "blazinglaser nospam.please" |
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22 Jul 2004 03:07:43 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:24:41 -0400, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
That's not fair! President Clinton never said he had a deep dislike
for President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the same
mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that if they
can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him too.
Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there going,
Huh?
Huh indeed. 8^) Unlike Clinton in Clinton vs Dole, Bush is trailing
in the polls.
Let me give you brief and incomplete list of claims which keeping being
regurgitated that will not help Kerry win:
'Regurgitated' is good. If someone repeats something, or re-poses a
question the other side has refused to answer, is that the same as
throwing up on the rug?
1. Bush stole the last election
2. Anything doing with military service from prior to the last 10 years
3. Anything doing with behavior prior to entering public service (i.e. Bush
was a druggie, Bush was a DUI)
4. Bush is an idiot.
5. Bush lied to get us into Iraq (most people think he was sincere) - NOTE:
this is different than Bush was wrong about Iraq.
Most of these are legitimate points against Bush.
* >40% of Americans still believe he was not legitimately elected
president.
* Bush has not been able to show any proof that he finished his time
in the NG.
* Bush has at least one conviction for DUI and wasn't able to
categorically deny he'd ever used drugs.
* And Bush DID lie to get us into Iraq. Recently the Repubs have been
trying to pin Bush's lies on the CIA, but Bush himself continues to
insist he was not mistaken, so how can the CIA be to blame for that?
As for 'Bush is an idiot', well I give the guy the benefit of the
doubt, I think he's just trying to look common, like any Joe Sixpack
who has trouble speaking in front of a crowd and who stumbles over big
words. But I ask you, which would you rather have, a president who
can't form a complete sentence without a teleprompter or a president
who PRETENDS to be unable to form complete sentences?
And you forgot to mention these:
* Bush was portrayed as a 'successful businessman' but failed in every
business he ran, managing to get rich by losing only investors' money.
* Bush is the least qualified man to run for president in 100 years,
his previous goverment experience consisting of 1.5 terms as a
figurehead governor in a 'weak governor' state.
* After being told the nation was under attack, Bush sat for several
minutes listening to schoolkids read a 1st grade book because NOBODY
TOLD HIM WHAT HE SHOULD DO!
* Bush has given fewer un-scripted interviews and press conferences
than any president in the modern age because he is unable to answer
questions, even about his own beliefs and positions, without
considerable pre-briefing and a stack of 3x5 cards.
* Bush did all he could to prevent/delay/control the investigation of
the worst attack on US homeland in American history.
Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election. Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
Kerry's campaign message is not what is being talked about - not at the
water cooler - not on this message board. All you hear is people trying to
get people to hate Bush - and its not working.
When you say 'barring unforeseeable events', perhaps you foresee some
events that the rest of us don't, like some craven October Surprise
cooked up by Bush's re-election committee. Like capturing Osama at
the last minute (or someone who looks like him). Or having Kerry and
Edwards thrown in jail on some cooked-up charges. Or simply
cancelling the election. Barring -those- unforeseen events, Bush will
lose.
We don't have to get people to hate Bush. We don't have to accuse him
over and over of serious crimes like murder, treason, drug-dealing,
etc., as the Repubs did with Clinton, or spend his entire term
investigating him for things he didn't do. We only have to point out
his record.
The majority of Americans now believe we were wrong to invade Iraq,
and that we are no safer than before from terrorism, perhaps less
safe. Terrorism against Americans around the globe has doubled since
the Iraq invasion. The 'democratic' government we picked to rule Iraq
is turning out to be no better than Saddam in terms of human rights or
Iraqi liberty or democracy. But Bush is pathologically incapable of
admitting he might have been wrong or made even an honest mistake.
The Repubs have spent between 100 and 200 million dollars so far in
swing states trying to discredit Kerry with negative TV ads and
they've gotten no traction.
No president has ever won a second term with ratings this low this
close to an election. And his numbers continue to sink.
So who do you think you're kidding here?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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26 Jul 2004 10:08:27 AM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
That's a lie.
Neocons hate Clinton. Moderates hate Bush's policies.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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22 Jul 2004 11:53:53 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<utesvh40w3j6$.dlg@system.alaska.xm>...
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike for
President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the same
mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that if they
can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him too.
Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there going,
Huh?
Wrong, remember how Clinton was first elected, he won because
the economy was bad and because Bush broke a promise, not because
of any thing Clinton did. So you see you do not have to sell
your candidate, if you can convincly stick enough crap on your
opponent. The Question is how much is sticking to Jr.
Let me give you brief and incomplete list of claims which keeping being
regurgitated that will not help Kerry win:
1. Bush stole the last election
2. Anything doing with military service from prior to the last 10 years
3. Anything doing with behavior prior to entering public service (i.e. Bush
was a druggie, Bush was a DUI)
4. Bush is an idiot.
So far so you are right, manly because this was all brought up last
election and had no effect then so it should be even less effective
now.
5. Bush lied to get us into Iraq (most people think he was sincere) - NOTE:
this is different than Bush was wrong about Iraq.
So Bush got some faulty facts, who's fault was this war then,
yes, Jr still owns it. But this war is new and its outcome
far from over. Events in Iraq could certainly change the
outcome of this election.
Barring unforseeable events, Bush will win this election. Why? Because the
people who want Bush to lose don't know how to sell their candidate.
Kerry's campaign message is not what is being talked about - not at the
water cooler - not on this message board. All you hear is people trying to
get people to hate Bush - and its not working.
People already know Bush, and the US is pretty well split,
half hate him and the other half love him.
Since this is the case, Kerry can help tip the scales,
either for or against himself. But I think he is just
content to coast until after the primaries, afterall,
he does not have as much oil money as Jr.
Just remember this, a vote for Jr. is a vote for war.
IF he is re-elected, look out Iran!
Larry
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| User: "Family Man" |
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23 Jul 2004 02:41:46 PM |
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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So Bush got some faulty facts, who's fault was this war then,
yes, Jr still owns it. But this war is new and its outcome
far from over. Events in Iraq could certainly change the
outcome of this election.
It has nothing to do with "faulty facts". Bush and his cronies had the Iraq
war planned long before he was elected president. Bush twisted the facts and
outright lied to get his war.
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| User: "JD" |
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23 Jul 2004 07:05:04 PM |
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"Family Man" <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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So Bush got some faulty facts, who's fault was this war then,
yes, Jr still owns it. But this war is new and its outcome
far from over. Events in Iraq could certainly change the
outcome of this election.
It has nothing to do with "faulty facts". Bush and his cronies had the
Iraq
war planned long before he was elected president. Bush twisted the facts
and
outright lied to get his war.
Of course, when one considers the number of people in the U.S. who care
enough to find out anything at all about the candidates, or the number of
people who have opinions remotely approaching rational, it would not be
surprising to see Dubbya win with 70 - 98% of the vote. One should not
argue facts when one wishes to influence idiots.
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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26 Jul 2004 01:18:39 PM |
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"JD" <substitutive@bookbiter.de> wrote in message news:<cds92q$hts$1@online.de>...
"Family Man" <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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So Bush got some faulty facts, who's fault was this war then,
yes, Jr still owns it. But this war is new and its outcome
far from over. Events in Iraq could certainly change the
outcome of this election.
It has nothing to do with "faulty facts". Bush and his cronies had the
Iraq
war planned long before he was elected president. Bush twisted the facts
and
outright lied to get his war.
Of course, when one considers the number of people in the U.S. who care
enough to find out anything at all about the candidates, or the number of
people who have opinions remotely approaching rational, it would not be
surprising to see Dubbya win with 70 - 98% of the vote. One should not
argue facts when one wishes to influence idiots.
Obviously Bush Jr. agrees with this idea, and has been Kerry call
dubya "Jr." at least once in a debate.
Larry
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23 Jul 2004 07:14:32 PM |
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No chance of Bush winning now that so much has been exposed about his
foolish and stupid administration.
The best he can hope for is "close but no cigar." It may well be that
Kerry makes a clean sweep of electoral votes and Bush is left (as in
the emperor) with no clothes.
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| User: "JD" |
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23 Jul 2004 07:37:53 PM |
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<johnasquith6@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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No chance of Bush winning now that so much has been exposed about his
foolish and stupid administration.
The best he can hope for is "close but no cigar." It may well be that
Kerry makes a clean sweep of electoral votes and Bush is left (as in
the emperor) with no clothes.
I sincerely hope you are right... In my view, the things he has pulled so
far and the arrogance he has displayed as a "leader" should have had him
impeached long ago. That this has not happened bodes ill, and is a poor
reflection on the intelligence those voters who still stand behind that
(description of Dubbya deleted).
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| User: "Liberal" |
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24 Jul 2004 01:32:27 AM |
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<johnasquith6@hotmail.com> wrote
No chance of Bush winning now that so much has been exposed about his
foolish and stupid administration.
The best he can hope for is "close but no cigar." It may well be that
Kerry makes a clean sweep of electoral votes and Bush is left (as in
the emperor) with no clothes.
Check out some early indicators. FTR, I believe that Bush's negative
campaign and vicious witch-hunting will hurt him badly. If Kerry and Edwards
do as well as I think they will in the debates, Bush/Cheney will be history.
BTW, look at the posts by the "conservative" folks on forums and newsgroups.
Can anyone seriously believe that a majority of good, hard-working,
God-fearing decent Americans put up with this? We have children that we
don't want exposed to idiots and liars in the highest office in this
country. Let me be clear about this. I do not mind that my children see
stupid people in our society. I just don't want them to think that their
parents and neighbors would elect or especially RE-elect them as leaders!
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781447.html
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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26 Jul 2004 01:25:33 PM |
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(Lawrence Seib) wrote in
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike
for President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the
same mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that
if they can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him
too. Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there
going, Huh?
Wrong, remember how Clinton was first elected, he won because
the economy was bad and because Bush broke a promise, not because
of any thing Clinton did.
He won because Ross Perot was on the ballot.
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| User: "A. Dulcimer" |
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26 Jul 2004 01:53:08 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:25:33 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Lawrence Seib) wrote in
news:75ab6396.0407222053.23801ecd@posting.google.com:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:<utesvh40w3j6$.dlg@system.alaska.xm>...
Like President Clinton - there are many people who have deep dislike
for President Bush.
Like the Clinton vs. Dole election, those who hate Bush are making the
same mistake that those who hated Clinton did - they are certain that
if they can explain why they hate Bush then other people will hate him
too. Unfortunately, this will not work. The other people are left there
going, Huh?
Wrong, remember how Clinton was first elected, he won because
the economy was bad and because Bush broke a promise, not because
of any thing Clinton did.
He won because Ross Perot was on the ballot.
Wrong again. Perrot took as manyi votes from Clinton as from bush.
Exit polls showed that as far as Perot voters are concerned that if
Perot had not been on the ballot 1/3 would have voted for Clinton ,
1/3 would have voted for bush and 1/3 would have not voted at all.
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"The only truly new ideas [the right] has come up with
in the last twenty years are:(1) supply side economics, which is a way of redistributing
the wealth upward toward those who already have more than
they know what to do with, and; (2) creationism, which is a parallel idea for redistributing
ignorance out from its fundamentalist strongholds to those
who know more than they need to.
-Barbara Ehrenreich
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