Religions > Atheism > Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
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Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
This is SOOOOO good to know.
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
Jon Ponder | Jan. 15, 2008
If Alberto Gonzalez gets punk'd at speaking engagements, and Donald Rumsfeld
has to be whisked out of France to avoid a war crimes indictment. what does
the future hold for George W. Bush after he leaves office one year and six
days from now?
Just as hindsight shows that Americans 30 years ago could have prevented the
abuses of Bush and Cheney by prosecuting and imprisoning Nixon in 1974, we
owe it to future generations of Americans to hold Bush and Cheney
accountable for their crimes and incompetence today.
Chris Hedges probably has it right:
Bush will soon be reduced to the cipher he once was, left to spend the
rest of his life trying to salvage a legacy of shame and deceit. In a just
world he would be put on trial, if not by the International Criminal Court
of Justice then by the U.S. Congress. He would be forced to face up to his
lies and wars of aggression. But the moral rot that infects the nation has
seeped into the bowels of the legislative as well as the executive branch.
There are many organizations and efforts dedicated to the impeachment of
George Bush. And Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) is leading a drive to impeach
***** Cheney - if you haven't signed his online petition, do it now. Rep.
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced articles of impeachment against the vice
president last spring.
But there is one insurmountable obstacle to impeachment this year, and it is
not Speaker Pelosi - it's the continued support for Bush by Republicans in
Congress. Unless and until it is expedient for them to get rid of Bush and
Cheney, the congressional Republicans have shown that they will block any
move to hold them accountable.
So while it looks likely that the millions of Americans who believe the
Bush-Cheney regime has committed impeachable acts - lying about the pretext
for war, betraying a secret operation that tracked the WMD black market,
spying on Americans without warrants, torturing prisoners and firing U.S.
attorneys without cause, to name a few - will have to settle for the cold
comfort of watching Bush and Cheney grow old in disgrace, there is another
option for bringing them to justice:
It is possible to impeach someone even after the accused has vacated their
office in order to disqualify the person from future office or from certain
emoluments of their prior office (such as a pension).
Another take:
Does it sound farfetched for Congress to impeach and try someone who is no
longer in office? It has happened! In 1876, Secretary of War General William
Belknap [who served in the scandal-plagued Republican administration of
Pres. Ulysses Grant], accused of accepting a bribe, resigned just hours
before the House was scheduled to consider articles of impeachment. The
House went ahead and unanimously impeached him, and by a vote of 37-29 the
Senate rejected the argument that Belknap's resignation should abort the
case. The Senate proceeded with the trial, but Belknap was narrowly
acquitted. A number of the Senators who voted for acquittal explained that
they felt they lacked jurisdiction because of his resignation.
By contrast, when in 1926 Illinois District Judge George English,
impeached for various acts of wrongdoing, resigned from office six days
before the scheduled commencement of his trial in the Senate, the matter was
discontinued. The same was true, of course, when Richard Nixon resigned just
prior to adoption of articles of impeachment by the House.
The Belknap precedent aside, is there any logic to impeaching and trying
an official who is no longer in office? One answer might be the value of
establishing a precedent that certain misconduct is (or is not)
impeachable . Evidence suggests that the Framers of the Constitution
concurred in this conclusion - they did not regard resignation as
automatically precluding impeachment or conviction.
The purpose of a post-term impeachment of Bush and Cheney would be to send a
message to future rightwing cabals who intend to highjack the American
republic that they do so at their own peril - that they will be brought to
justice.
A strong case can be made that if Pres. Nixon had been impeached, followed
by a trial and conviction in court on the obstruction of justice and other
charges and sentenced to prison, even briefly, Bush and particularly Cheney
would have felt less emboldened to behave like despots. (In fact, it's
doubtful Cheney would have been interested in the vice presidency if he'd
felt constrained from looting the government for his corporate cronies.)
Just as hindsight shows that Americans 30 years ago could have prevented the
abuses of Bush and Cheney by prosecuting and imprisoning Nixon in 1974, we
owe it to future generations of Americans to hold Bush and Cheney
accountable for their crimes and incompetence today.
If the move for post-term impeachments took hold, Republicans would
doubtless object - but just seven years ago it was GOP legal types who
floated the idea of a post-presidential, second impeachment Pres. Clinton
because they didn't like the pardons he granted as he left office.
But, assuming current trends play themselves out, the dynamics of the
upcoming 111th Congress could be quite different from any in recent memory.
Conviction on impeachment charges requires 60 votes in the Senate, and it is
quite possible that Democrats could end up controlling as many as 55 Senate
seats, if not more. The split in the House is also likely to widen in favor
of the Democrats. (And, technically, Speaker Pelosi only took impeachment
"off the table" for the 110th Congress.)
It is also possible that Bush is aware he could be brought to justice after
he leaves office. What else would explain the rumors that he purchased
100,000 acres of land in the Chaco region of Paraguay two years ago?
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16 Jan 2008 08:45:59 AM |
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On Jan 16, 1:52 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is SOOOOO good to know.
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
Jon Ponder | Jan. 15, 2008
If Alberto Gonzalez gets punk'd at speaking engagements, and Donald Rumsfeld
has to be whisked out of France to avoid a war crimes indictment. what does
the future hold for George W. Bush after he leaves office one year and six
days from now?
If Tony Blair is anything to go by, he'll retire to a life of luxury
raking in Judas money for selling his country's reputation and
security.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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15 Jan 2008 09:29:24 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country
is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one
who likes his country more than the rest of us, and
is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees
it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime;
he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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15 Jan 2008 09:58:48 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody
to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of
both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Unless there's another "fire" in Cheney's office.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"For my money, I'll bet on reason and humanistic kindness. Even if I am
wrong I will have enjoyed my life, the existence of which is under
little dispute."
-Dan Barker
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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16 Jan 2008 09:42:17 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:48 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody
to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of
both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Unless there's another "fire" in Cheney's office.
It's a big government. You can never be sure you got everything...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a
holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ
- to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every
other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that
we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after.
Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just
equal time. It is dominion we are after."
-- George Grant, "The Changing of the Guard"
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| User: "SkyEyes" |
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16 Jan 2008 12:27:06 PM |
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On Jan 16, 8:42=A0am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:48 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody
to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of
both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Unless there's another "fire" in Cheney's office.
It's a big government. You can never be sure you got everything...
Yup! Just heard last night on _Countdown_ that there may be copies of
the waterboarding torture tapes, in spite of their attempted
destruction by da gubmint. <Big, big grin>
Brenda
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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17 Jan 2008 08:39:45 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:27:06 -0800, SkyEyes wrote:
On Jan 16, 8:42 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:48 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be
nobody to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with
control of both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything
without "executive privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all
the records.
Unless there's another "fire" in Cheney's office.
It's a big government. You can never be sure you got everything...
Yup! Just heard last night on _Countdown_ that there may be copies of
the waterboarding torture tapes, in spite of their attempted destruction
by da gubmint. <Big, big grin>
One reason I don't buy conspiracy thinking is a good conspiracy has to be
among a small group. Our government is so farking big these days, it
can't scratch its ***** without 20,000 people being involved...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"When your doctrine forces you to claim that God's reactions
are identical to those of a universe without God, you have
nothing left to defend." -- Free Lunch
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16 Jan 2008 12:23:20 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:42:17 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:48 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody
to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of
both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Unless there's another "fire" in Cheney's office.
It's a big government. You can never be sure you got everything...
<North>
"Did I get them all?"
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Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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16 Jan 2008 12:54:41 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:k9a065-vl2.ln1@75-104-202-169.cust.wildblue.net...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
What records?
There will only be records if the democrats buy up all the lighters,
matches, and shredding machines in Washington before the election results
are in.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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16 Jan 2008 04:35:35 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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16 Jan 2008 09:58:05 AM |
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On Jan 16, 5:35=A0am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
You made a pessimistic statement, which is to say, you are most likely
correct.
Pessimism without drama is the easiest way to predict the future.
Hatter
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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18 Jan 2008 02:48:59 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:58:05 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 16, 5:35 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
You made a pessimistic statement, which is to say, you are most likely
correct.
Pessimism without drama is the easiest way to predict the future.
I have crystal balls.
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| User: "SkyEyes" |
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18 Jan 2008 05:00:11 PM |
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On Jan 18, 1:48=A0pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:58:05 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 16, 5:35=A0am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody =
to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
You made a pessimistic statement, which is to say, you are most likely
correct.
Pessimism without drama is the easiest way to predict the future.
I have crystal balls.
No kids, then?
<Ducks>
Brenda
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Jan 2008 02:44:34 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:00:11 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net>
wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:48 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:58:05 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 16, 5:35 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
You made a pessimistic statement, which is to say, you are most likely
correct.
Pessimism without drama is the easiest way to predict the future.
I have crystal balls.
No kids, then?
<Ducks>
You are just lucky that I cannot run very fast.
Not with this load at least!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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16 Jan 2008 09:45:12 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:35 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both houses of Congress, they can
dig into anything without "executive privilege" getting in the way.
They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
Well, if they do, they do. It's that Bush is so stupid he can't see that
he'll be losing his "executive privilege" and if the other party takes
over, getting a pardon isn't going to be easy.
I've just been amused for a while now that Bush doesn't seem to "get"
that if you're going to play Nixon, you need a Ford...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Using the bible as a moral guide is like tearing up a map
into 1000 pieces and using it to navigate." -- Paul Fellows
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18 Jan 2008 04:59:27 PM |
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On Jan 16, 8:45=A0am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:35 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to=
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both houses of Congress, they can
dig into anything without "executive privilege" getting in the way.
They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
Well, if they do, they do. It's that Bush is so stupid he can't see that
he'll be losing his "executive privilege" and if the other party takes
over, getting a pardon isn't going to be easy.
I've just been amused for a while now that Bush doesn't seem to "get"
that if you're going to play Nixon, you need a Ford...
Well, he sure as hell is no Lincoln.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Jan 2008 02:43:42 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:59:27 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net>
wrote:
On Jan 16, 8:45 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:35 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both houses of Congress, they can
dig into anything without "executive privilege" getting in the way.
They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
Well, if they do, they do. It's that Bush is so stupid he can't see that
he'll be losing his "executive privilege" and if the other party takes
over, getting a pardon isn't going to be easy.
I've just been amused for a while now that Bush doesn't seem to "get"
that if you're going to play Nixon, you need a Ford...
Well, he sure as hell is no Lincoln.
A Lincoln InterContinental?
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18 Jan 2008 02:48:34 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:45:12 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:35 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies.
*****!
What's the bet that the Democrats excuse bush's illegal, genocial
excusrisons, and do not actually impeach him?
$1000?
$1,000,000?
Nor Bush himself. And with control of both houses of Congress, they can
dig into anything without "executive privilege" getting in the way.
They'll own all the records.
And ignore them or excuse them.
Put yer money where yer mouth is, bud!
How 'bout a wager of $2.4 billion?
Well, if they do, they do. It's that Bush is so stupid he can't see that
he'll be losing his "executive privilege" and if the other party takes
over, getting a pardon isn't going to be easy.
I've just been amused for a while now that Bush doesn't seem to "get"
that if you're going to play Nixon, you need a Ford...
Too bad he has a Caddlac!
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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15 Jan 2008 09:51:28 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his cronies.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
15 Jan 2008 10:46:13 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:51:28 -0000, AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:29:24 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:32 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be nobody to
pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with control of both
houses of Congress, they can dig into anything without "executive
privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his cronies.
Oh, yeah?
<paranoid mode: on>
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
When was the last time this administration showed any restraint, least of all in the name of
probity, in taking the widest conceivable interpretation of its powers under the Constitution?
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Jan 2008 02:28:28 PM |
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Apostate wrote:
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary. Bush
could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was still Vice
President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford that there were three
pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself and resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
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| User: "Apostate" |
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16 Jan 2008 04:28:21 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:28:28 -0500, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Apostate wrote:
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary. Bush
could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was still Vice
President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford that there were three
pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself and resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
I dunno what authority Haig was going by. (Surely not that he "was in charge".)
Is it as simple as that, if he can pardon any person, then he can pardon himself?
On its face, it seems like a balder usurpation than anything shrub has tried, and it would
surprise me if the courts regarded it as bullet-proof. Notice, though, that nothing about a
pardon (from crimes under statutes) need have any purchase against High Crimes and Misdemeanors
(politically intolerable acts) over which Congress alone has jurisdiction.
Alas, that could kill pension rights, but not put the blighters in the clink.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Jan 2008 05:13:59 PM |
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Apostate wrote:
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary.
Bush could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was
still Vice President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford
that there were three pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself
and resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
I dunno what authority Haig was going by. (Surely not that he "was
in charge".)
Yeah...it's doubtful that a person like Haig would have much knowledge, let
alone regard, for constitutional law.
Is it as simple as that, if he can pardon any person, then he can
pardon himself?
On its face, it seems like a balder usurpation than anything shrub
has tried, and it would surprise me if the courts regarded it as
bullet-proof. Notice, though, that nothing about a pardon (from
crimes under statutes) need have any purchase against High Crimes and
Misdemeanors (politically intolerable acts) over which Congress alone
has jurisdiction.
Alas, that could kill pension rights, but not put the blighters in
the clink.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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17 Jan 2008 08:38:18 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:28:28 -0500, Geoff wrote:
Apostate wrote:
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then pisses
off to his
successor's inaguration.
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary. Bush
could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was still
Vice President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford that there
were three pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself and
resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
If, that is, we decided to recognize such a pardon. I can't say I've ever
heard of such a thing and would want to see precedent. And given the mood
of the country at the time, if Nixon had tried pardoning himself, I
believe the country would have replied with loud guffaws then perp walked
him to court.
Haig was an idiot. His citation of precedence for such an act was
probably his butt...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“Man's limitations are also visible in his gods. Yahveh
seems to have had His hands full with the Devil from
the start. His plans for Adam and Eve went to pot,
and He failed again with Noah. His worst failure came
when He sent His only-begotten Son into the world to
rescue man from sin. It would be hard to imagine any
scheme falling further from success.”
- H. L. Mencken
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18 Jan 2008 07:35:54 AM |
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On 2008-01-17 06:38:18 -0800, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> said:
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary. Bush
could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was still
Vice President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford that there
were three pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself and
resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
Article II: The Executive Branch
Section 2
Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the
United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called
into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the
Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive
Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their
respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and
Pardons for Offences against the United States, ****except in Cases of
Impeachment.****
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| User: "Andrew F. Heil" |
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27 Jan 2008 08:41:08 AM |
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On Jan 17, 8:38=A0am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:28:28 -0500, Geoff wrote:
Apostate wrote:
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then pisses
off to his
successor's inaguration.
According to the article on the Nixon pardon, this isn't necessary. Bush=
could pardon himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#Nixon_pardon
"...Haig entered Ford's office on August 1, 1974 while Ford was still
Vice President and Nixon had yet to resign. Haig told Ford that there
were three pardon options: (1) Nixon could pardon himself and
resign...."
Wouldn't that be lovely!
If, that is, we decided to recognize such a pardon. I can't say I've ever
heard of such a thing and would want to see precedent.
There is no precedent. There is simply the fact that the Constitution
allows pardons for crimes but doesn't specifically prohibit pardoning
oneself. This is why, in 1998, President Clinton specifically
promised not to pardon himself for any crimes for which in might
subsequently be convicted. In addition to the instances of Presidents
Clinton and Nixon, the issue of a Presidential self-pardon was also
discussed late in the Presidency of George H. W. Bush as a possibility
relating to Iran-Contra matters.
Opinions differ, of course. Noted Constitutional scholar Akhil Reed
Amar, for example, disagrees that a President can pardon himself. But
he does seem to be in the minority.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
16 Jan 2008 11:09:20 AM |
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Apostate wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be
nobody to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with
control of both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything
without "executive privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all
the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his
cronies.
Oh, yeah?
<paranoid mode: on>
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
When was the last time this administration showed any restraint,
least of all in the name of probity, in taking the widest conceivable
interpretation of its powers under the Constitution?
Wouldn't they need to be indicted/impeached for something first? Is there a
blanket pardon for all known and unknown offenses? I sure hope not.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
16 Jan 2008 12:22:22 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0500, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Apostate wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be
nobody to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with
control of both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything
without "executive privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all
the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his
cronies.
Oh, yeah?
<paranoid mode: on>
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
When was the last time this administration showed any restraint,
least of all in the name of probity, in taking the widest conceivable
interpretation of its powers under the Constitution?
Wouldn't they need to be indicted/impeached for something first? Is there a
blanket pardon for all known and unknown offenses? I sure hope not.
Not old enough to remember the Nixon pardon?
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
16 Jan 2008 02:24:33 PM |
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Apostate wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be
nobody to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with
control of both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything
without "executive privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all
the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his
cronies.
Oh, yeah?
<paranoid mode: on>
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney,
then abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
When was the last time this administration showed any restraint,
least of all in the name of probity, in taking the widest
conceivable interpretation of its powers under the Constitution?
Wouldn't they need to be indicted/impeached for something first? Is
there a blanket pardon for all known and unknown offenses? I sure
hope not.
Not old enough to remember the Nixon pardon?
Too old.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office |
16 Jan 2008 01:48:34 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:09:20 -0500, Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Apostate wrote:
Bush Legacy: Presidents Can Be Impeached After They Leave Office
That's nothing.
Remember, if the Democrats take the White House, there will be
nobody to pardon any of Bush's cronies. Nor Bush himself. And with
control of both houses of Congress, they can dig into anything
without "executive privilege" getting in the way. They'll own all
the records.
Nobody will be pardoning bush, but bush will be pardoning all his
cronies.
Oh, yeah?
<paranoid mode: on>
1) With fifteen minutes to run in his term, Bush pardons Cheney, then
abdicates.
2) With five minutes to go, President Cheney pardons Bush, then
pisses off to his
successor's inaguration.
When was the last time this administration showed any restraint,
least of all in the name of probity, in taking the widest conceivable
interpretation of its powers under the Constitution?
Wouldn't they need to be indicted/impeached for something first? Is there a
blanket pardon for all known and unknown offenses? I sure hope not.
IIRC, that's exactly the kind of pardon nixon got.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Jan 2008 02:29:18 PM |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
Wouldn't they need to be indicted/impeached for something first? Is
there a blanket pardon for all known and unknown offenses? I sure
hope not.
IIRC, that's exactly the kind of pardon nixon got.
YDRC
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